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Finish It Here May 2017
  
Haz27:

You wrote: I don't trust the Left's Fake News media as I've seen far too often how they lie and distort. Consider their disgusting lie about Trump supposedly mocking a disabled journalist. Australia's Leftist Fake News media is just as evil.

How is actual video footage of Trump shaking spasmodically and ridiculing a journalist with cerebral palsy FAKE news? Trump fans can see prima facie evidence of his deplorable acts and STILL deny them.

Jesus rightly spoke similarly of the blindness of the Pharisees - they would deny the truth even if they actually saw someone raised from the dead.


Pray For President Trump
  
john9346:

Obama and Clinton lied occasionally. Trump lies CONSTANTLY (during the debates, almost one lie per minute). He said no politician in HISTORY was more mistreated. Come on!


Mark Eaton:

This congress's record is so heinous, many now actually fear for their lives because of public outrage THEY themselves provoked.


Haz27:

How would YOU show your love to them?

Christians' socialism was LEFT - just not EVIL left. Not all left is evil.

Spiritually discerned, leaven, sin, etc. are concepts that do not define WHAT they are (i.e. "sin is bad" in no way defines WHAT is actually sinful).

*I* never said ANYONE should be eliminated. *YOU* said the LEFT should be eliminated!


Do Ghosts Exist
  
Jerry6593:

I said they were not PHYSICAL. I didn't say they weren't REAL. Physical things, by nature, are corrupt and decay. People in heaven do not. Yes, Jesus was physical WHEN HE WAS HERE. Luke 24:39 was not broadcast by megaphone from heaven. Straw men belong in Oz, not in reasoned discussions.

Again, you make ad-hominem attacks, and bring irrelevant politics into a purely theological discussion.


Pray For President Trump
  
Haz27:

So when I don't immediately answer, you automatically accuse me of ducking? I have repeatedly said the 125 word limit makes it difficult to comment on everything said, let alone answer additional questions.

Socialism is LEFT. Early Christians were socialist, and thus LEFT. Deal with it.

Sorry. I misread your comment to NurseRobert as "Leftists rarely quote scripture".

1 Co 5:13? As Trump is an adulterer, liar and thief by his own words, why don't you put him out?


john9346:

You singled out Obama, Clinton, and Hillary, but Trump lies much more than any of them, so often that he can't avoid lying about things that are obvious (e.g. persecuted more than ANY politician in HISTORY?!).


Pray For President Trump
  
Haz27:

If "Obviously Jesus", why advocate ELIMINATION of your enemies, the left?

Calling yourself socialist, Christian, etc. doesn't make you one. Communist "Democratic republic of" is propaganda - they aren't democratic at all.

Early Christians kept possessions in common - ULTIMATE left.

I quote scripture frequently.

Many Republicans ADMITTED deliberately duplicitous policies (e.g. voter registration).

Republicans turned to new strategies to get ANY vote, and seducing the Christian Right was how they regained power after the 1960s.


john9346: YOU intimated lies were the exclusive domain of the left, which is hypocritical, as Trump lies more than all of them.


What Is The Judgement
  
Jerry6593:

Jesus said he would return to judge the living and the dead. The Bible says his coming will be visible by all, as lightining from the east to the west - i.e. sudden, dramatic, and visible by all. This contrasts with the false SDA teaching of "investigative judgment", where Jesus "came back" in 1844, but because nobody saw him do so, it's rationalized that he's busy in heaven, taking his time, reading through lots of books. I wonder how this can ever end, because while he's busy reading all the old books, new ones are continuously being written. If it takes him ANY appreciable time to read them, this process can NEVER end (i.e. look up Zeon's paradox, and Achilles and the Tortoise).


Do Ghosts Exist
  
Jerry6593:

Both Ecc and Lk are stated "factually". We use common sense to distinguish literal from metaphoric in all writings. Heaven contains people and clothes and buildings, even though none of those are ACTUALLY physical.


kathr4453:

Scripture clearly says "sons of God" procreated with human women. Interpret that how you will. Holy Spirit didn't have sperm either, yet Mary became pregnant. For Samuel's mantle, see above.

God hears everyone, even sinners, and trees that fall in the woods (otherwise, he wouldn't be omniscient). It's his choice whether to act on what he hears.

Everything that happens, God MUST have allowed, for if he forbade it, it couldn't have happened!


Pray For President Trump
  
Haz27:

Forget ancient history before 1960. Recent voter registration laws: illegal voters are in the tens to hundreds, while legitimate voters disenfranchised by such laws are in the thousands. These laws' ACTUAL purpose is to take swing districts from mostly poor brown Democrats and give them to rich white Republicans.

The Left are evil? AHCA will deprive TENS OF MILLIONS with pre-existing conditions (cancer, asthma, diabetes) of health care, many of which KILL without treatment. Will they say, "Hitler killed millions, and Trump tens of millions"?

"drained of the evil Left"?! Jesus said "Love your enemy". Hitler said "Exterminate your enemy". Who do YOU follow?


Do Ghosts Exist
  
kathr4453:

Samuel's image was wearing a mantle. So what? The dead in heaven wear white robes, and they don't have bodies either. In any case, 1 Samuel 28 doesn't say an angel in Samuel's form spoke or was seen. It doesn't say a demon in Samuel's form spoke or was seen. It doesn't say the witch lied. It doesn't say Saul was deceived. It said one thing over and over again: "Samuel was", "Samuel said". Why do people need to keep adding words and explanations to rationalize that something written in plain black and white didn't actually happen?


Finish It Here May 2017
  
Haz27:

Before you call anyone an idiot (whether you feign gentility by using ** in place of two letters or not), remember Matthew 5:22: ... but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

I say this for your benefit, not mine.

I am also neither totalitarian nor Communist. Remember also "Thou shalt not bear false witness".


john9346:

I know what I wrote, and I couldn't find a SINGLE quote in those blogs where I said Democrats were INFALLIBLE. I have never said that, because I don't believe it. Quote my EXACT words and show where (blog+date). I bet you can't find any. I couldn't. (The 3rd blog I could only find via Google search).


Pray For President Trump
  
Haz27:

"All X are Y" is very simplistic black-and-white thinking. Reality is more nuanced.

Even "left vs. right" is one-dimensional. Socio/economic views are more complex. Consider the Political Compass model. Economic are left/right, social is top/bottom (i.e. Authoritarian vs. Libertarian). Socialists (Sanders) and communists (Stalin) are top left. Conservatives (Reagan+Thatcher) and fascists (Hitler) are top right. Gandhi is bottom left. Tea Party (Ayn Rand) is bottom right.

Lies come from ANYONE self-serving. Trump spouts them all the time. (No politician in HISTORY has been abused more? Really?!)


Do Ghosts Exist
  
kathr4453:

They can't - which is why the witch was so susprised. God allowed, so Samuel could condemnation Saul, for doing the forbidden AND hypocrisy (i.e. killing all mediums, but then using one).


Samuelbb7:

Why would Jesus use a bad theological model (e.g. dead being conscious and acting) in a parable? He never talked about reincarnation, polytheism, or any other bad ones.

Lazarus and the rich man had no bodies, but that was not the point - they were dead YET conscious, contradicting Ecclesiastes - *IF* you insist on taking things literally.

Where in the Bible is the words immortal soul?

1 Cor 15:16-18, apparently - otherwise, the warning is meaningless.


Pray For President Trump
  
Haz27:

Southern Democrats (dixiecrats) were racists up until the 1960s. When Democrats embraced civil rights, dixiecrats quit en masse and became Republicans - the Republican party we know today.

The Party of Lincoln championed racial freedom and Democrats created KKK - 150+ years ago. Today the roles are reversed. KKK are staunch Republicans, and Republicans are the ones who consistenly push laws that largely harm or disenfranchise people based on race.

Instead of draining the swamp, Trump is making alligators run it.


Samuelbb7:

Exactly. Trump lies CONSTANTLY. Recently: "No politician in history has been treated worse than me".
Except Lincoln, 2 Kennedys, MLK, Gandhi, Aquino, Mandela, ...


Jesus Is Coming Back On A Cloud
  
Suzie: That suggests an amusing idea: Cyber-Jesus. (Then again, this thread was created 9 years ago, and nobody has commented on it for 6 years. Most of the people involved aren't even on this site anymore, and the ones that are, likely aren't paying attention.)


Do Ghosts Exist
  
Samuelbb7:

If somebody calls you in the middle of the night, you can ignore it, or answer it in an annoyed tone. It's your choice. Samuel CHOSE to respond to the Saul.


Jerry6593:

Your ignorance of the Bible knows no bounds!

How about yours? They are clearly different:

Hebrews 4:12: For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit ...
1 Thessalonians 5:23: ... your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless...
Revelation 16:3: ... and every living soul died in the sea.

If you insist on taking Ecc 9:5,6 literally, you must also say Jesus was wrong in The Rich Man and Lazarus.


Do Ghosts Exist
  
bren:

Many churches teach this, but the Bible doesn't say contracting spirits if forbidden BECAUSE they're actually demons. When the Witch of Endor pretended to conjure up Samuel, she was genuinely surprised (and terrified) when the real Samuel actually showed up. (Mediums use cheap parlor tricks to fake supernatural manifestations, not expecting real ones.)


Jerry6593:

Spirits aren't put into bodies to create souls. They are two totally different things.

1 Sa 28:13: "The woman said... 'I saw'" (fallible woman speaking)
1 Sa 28:15: "Samuel said". Not "the image perceived as Samuel said". Not "the spirit pretending to be Samuel said". (Infallible author of 1 Sa speaking).


Finish It Here May 2017
  
john9346:

No. Quote EXACT WORDS where I claim Democrats are **INFALLIBLE** (i.e. incapable of error) I have NEVER said that.

No. Vitriol (lessening chances) is wrong. Giving NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER is even more wrong.

We should trust what James Clapper said over what FBI+CIA said AFTER he resigned?

Policing INTERNATIONAL LAW is the Hague's problem, NOT America's. American military involvement frequently violates international law, but we don't care.

Hillary sold uranium? Remember George W. Bush and yellow cake?

Again, legal deals with a country may be dubious, but unconstitutional ones are ACTUALLY illegal. Learn the difference.


Do Ghosts Exist
  
Jerry6593:

We are not talking about SOULS. We are talking about SPIRITS. The Bible distinguishes uses differennt words for these. The Bible clearly says souls die. By conflating these two concepts, you erroneously create a straw man, which you then demolish.

The Bible doesn't say the Witch of Endor saw a demon impersonating Samuel. It says she saw Samuel. Period. You are reading between the lines to justify your own unbiblical interpretation. The conjuration was improper (i.e. one is never supposed to conjure up the dead), and it violated his rest. He exercised his office of prophet one last time, and predicted dire consequences for Saul, which did, indeed, come to pass.


Spank 14 Year Old Niece
  
A 14-year-old is old enough to be reasoned with rationally, without resorting to spanking. She should be told that unauthorized access to computers is a federal crime punished by many years in jail, and that by rights, you ought to turn her over to the police, but you're willing to let it go this time if she voluntarily agrees to being grounded from using the internet for a period (e.g. one week), or some other suitably punishment which similarly inconveniences her to teach her a lesson. Also say that the next time, you won't be as lenient.

Also, there is no way she should even be able to access other people's emails, if they are properly password protected. As the Scots say, "fool me twice, shame on ME".


Stop Smoking Cigs
  
john9346:

Show ONE post where I claimed Democrats were INFALLIBLE.

Vitiol reduces chances. Denying reduces them to ZERO - worse.

FBI+CIA claimed evidence of Russia collusion.

World court could try Obama for breaking international law - it's THEIR jurisdiction. They didn't.

Taking money from Russia is just shady. Colluding with Russia to INTERFERE with election is a CRIME.

Obama waited until AFTER leaving office, due to Emoluments clause. Trump didn't because he doesn't care about constitution.


Jerry6593:

I live here.

Hillary puts minor intelligence where it MIGHT accidentally be hacked. JAIL HER! Trump DELIBERATELY hands VERY sensitive info to Russia. No problem!



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