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Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mark,

I was not speaking about saving faith. Saving faith comes from God. No believer questions that faith that is in Christ. It is the other faith they question. The one they are born with, that faith that does not include God. Mark 12/11/08

Say what? Please explain this further. What exactly are you calling saving faith? Is that tied into being so-called chosen? Foreknown? Predestination? Preordained? The Select few? What is faith that does not include God? You believe in a male God or godman and have faith in him. I subscribe to God as Energy, etc. and I have faith in IT. Both faiths include God and are subjective, right?


What If Big Bang Is True
  
Warwick,

StrongAxe is being very objective, unlike you and many Christians on here who believe that intellectual Christianity is THE ONLY WAY to get to the exclusive country club called heaven. The first sign of a mature religious or spiritual person is objectivity, which requires subjugation of the EGO (which says my way is the only way and everybody must do it my way or else they are wrong). The Spirit is not a respecter of persons or religions!

YOU WROTE: Please show us where in Scripture it says our personal goodness will save us from hell?

The bible says hell is IN, ON and UNDER the earth. If you can define and locate hell, I will show you how GREATER WORKS will keep people out of your hell! Let's go!


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mark,

I believe all Christains question it, the faith. Mark 12/10/08.

Not really! Christian beliefs and faith are predicated on the bible story, right? If Christians question their faith, as you claim, then they MUST question the foundation of that faith, and the foundation of their faith is the BIBLE. Christians believe what they believe BECAUSE it is in the bible, regardless of whether the bible is wrong in MANY places. I know, your faith tells you that the bible is NEVER wrong, because it is the word of God! That is circular reasoning! That is putting a limitation on the Universal Spirit, which is boundless and is not restricted to any one book, including the bible! Thus, ALL faith is subjective and is always RIGHT!


What If Big Bang Is True
  
StrongAxe,

The criterion for good/evil then is NOT faith or theological correctness, but how we care for our fellow human beings. StrongAxe 12/10/08.

I AGREE with you 100%! I wish that many others, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc., practice this simple truth! Sadly, intellectual religions divide the masses, especially along faith, creed, sex, race and class. Once the masses become enlightened, which is a monumental task, people will quickly see through such intellectual exercises!


Did Adam And Eve Incest
  
Kath and Shawn,

Kathy, what part of us (body, soul, mind or spirit) is born in original sin! What part of the old man/Adam was born in original sin? As you know from Gen. 1:26, BODY + BREATH (spirit) = LIVING SOUL =Adam. Is original sin in the body? In the breath? Be precise!

Shawn, you wrote: The disconnection of OUR SPIRIT, at birth, from the Source (God's Spirit) is the original sin which accured during the 'Fall of Man'.

Huh? What part of Adam sinned? Was Adam created from and with the Source? If yes, can the Source be removed? If yes, HOW? Can you or Kathy remove Spirit from yourselves at this minute? If yes, then what is Spirit (John 4:24)?


What If Big Bang Is True
  
Earl,

I said faith does not need to be factual and you disagreed.

YOU WROTE: The fact of experience leads one to be faithful.

You prove my point. Experience will lead to faith, because experience and faith are SUBJECTIVE! However, a fact is not subjective, because it can be objectively proven. For instance, many kids believe and have faith in Santa Claus, the mythical man who lives in the North Pole and flies through the sky on reindeers. The kids' experiences have lead them to have un-wavering faith in Santa. However, Santa Claus is not FACTUAL, and you will never be able to prove that he is historical! That Santa is non-factual and non-historical will not change the kids' faith or REAL subjective experiences! Why?


What If Big Bang Is True
  
Earl,

Therefore there is no human records avaliable to research as is Mark from the bible. Earl 12/10/08.

Thus, like the bible, the TUB, EC, teachings from the Pleiadians (stars), Freemason, Rosicrucian and any other spiritual teachings MUST be accepted on FAITH! As you know, faith is subjective and can NEVER be proven to anyone but oneself. The proof of faith is in LIVING it in ones life. As you further know, we live and interpret REALITY through our mind. Our interpretation becomes our faith. Look at ALL the different interpretations on here! Finally, faith does not need to be FACTUAL!


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mark,

I agree with you and many on CN that the belief in every single word in the bible requires FAITH! However, faith is something that can NEVER be proven objectively! Faith (e.g., a belief that God exists) can ONLY be proven subjectively (e.g., spiritually). Faith, like a belief, need not be based on FACTS in order to provide spiritual benefit to a believer. The simple act of believing in a thing, even if it is not factual or historical, is what provides the spiritual benefit to the believer. That last sentence is a FACT! It shows the power or nature of BELIEFS! We are what we believe! Proverbs 23:7 says the same thing. As a man thinketh in his heart, so shall he be. The question is, WHAT IS BELIEF? Should we question it?


Did Adam And Eve Incest
  
Shawn,

Thank you for the advice. I do pray for guidance, etc., but it is not begging! Many beg because they believe or have faith that they have been reduced to a mortal state of beggary because of so-called original sin. I do understand how the word soul is used in MANY different contexts in the bible. I am also familiar with its usage outside of the bible. Unless it is defined in a conversation, the person may get confused!

If we are spiritual beings in our ESSENCE, how can we be born in original sin? Were we sinful in the spiritual realm, like angels who were fighting in heaven? Are we sinful for simply putting on a body? What part of us is sinful?


What If Big Bang Is True
  
Mike,

Even if it is old, it is still 100% TRUE! NT scholars, even the most ardent Christian ones, do not contest this FACT! Only people who are not familiar with NT origin, formation and canonization argue against this TRUTH! As I told you, if GW has followers who want the world to believe on ONLY faith (you have nothing else!) that he was a godman who could raise the dead, walk on water, kill himself so that he could raise himself by himself (JC=HS=his own father), then I would DEMAND the same proofs from GW's followers. FYI, many of the framers were NATURAL deists (no belief in a godman). Thomas Paine even said JC = the SUN!

The Smithsonian has evidence? Huh! What are they?


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mic,

Jesus said and was born a Jew as he said "My people".Most jews are white or are they pink,green. Mic 12/10/08

So I guess COLOR does matter to you and Trav after all! Why do you and others pretend that it does not when it comes to Jesus (god, right?)? This CLEARLY answers your earlier question to me on why color matters.

I would strongly urge you to do some serious research on the Jewish people, who are indeed historical! You should start with their ancestors, the Hebrew/Israelites! Notice that the bible places them in Africa and Asia! They grew up in Africa!


What If Big Bang Is True
  
Earl,

Let's try another approach using the bible. Many writers, including scholars, claim that the gospels and/or other NT books/letters have anonymous authors, even though names of purported authors are associated with them! Even if these writers are correct, at least the gospels have a name associated with each of them. Thus, we can look at each gospel and determine if the author is an eyewitness or not! What is the name of the anonymous author, human or non-human, of the TUB? Give me a name so that I can research the person and the event described. For instance, I can research Mark and Luke and quickly determine that neither was an eyewitness!


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mic,

What has skin colour to do with any thing. Mic 12/9/08.

To spiritual people, nothing! To people who intellectualize religion by claiming that God became a man imbued with ALL the powers inherent in the universal creative intelligence, EVERYTHING! Trav truly believes that God (colorless Spirit) is White and that the mythical Jesus was White! Amazing! Others believe JC was Black. While others believe he was Yellow. Do you see how silly this can get by claiming that colorless Spirit became a man who had all the inherent power of the Spirit?

BTW, the trinity concept is much older than Christianity!


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mark,

You would have to ask Him. That's right Him. Scripture is His Word and we believe it by faith. Mark 12/9/08

I did ask and was shown that IT is an IT. Faith cannot be proven, right?

You wrote: Scripture indicates that when someone is is presented with the Truth and he completely rejects Christ, he blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. I would not want to be you.

Neither you nor anyone on here truly KNOWS who wrote many of the books in the bible. All you have is just a mere belief on its authorship! Who gets to determine what is Truth? Holy Spirit? Why add the word holy when the Spirit (John 4:24) is intrinsically GOOD?


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Mic,

what is your point?we know that God is a SPIRIT but He did take the form of man to show us the way to His eternal kingdom,so that wealso follow after reaching His standard of perfection. Mic 12/9/08

So, Spirit (John 4:24), which is EVERYWHERE AT ONCE in the cosmos, left all those other locations and put the full godhead in a man, right? What skin color was god after entering that man's body? While god was on earth, who was taking care of the cosmos (sun, moon and planets, etc)? The story (myth) was never meant to be taken as literal or historical! That is why it does not (and will NEVER) make sense if interpreted literally. Spiritually, the story makes sense and is a great teaching tool!


Did Adam And Eve Incest
  
Atheist,

India, Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, etc. The idea of matter being spiritualized (energized) or spirit (energy) being materialized in/out of the void is the foundation of the mythology from these and other nations. If you google the four/five basic elements (water, fire, earth, air and ether) the ancients thought the universe comprised of, you will find sources on how matter/energy is transformed but never non-existent. In Egypt, for instance, there are 4 creation stories from the 4 different regional centers with God (energy) creating/evolving the world, including the lesser gods (energies), like air, earth, fire/sun, water, heaven, man/woman, etc. Modern science does not use the word gods. It uses matter/energy/forces!


Am I A Prophet Of God
  
Steven, Mark and Mic,

RE: Num. 23:19 (God is NOT a man).

(1) God is not man that he should lie.
(2) ALL Men lie.
(3) God does not lie.
(4) Conclusion - God is NOT a man!

[a] God is not a man that he should lie.
[b] God does not lie (unless you guys believe that your god lies).
[c] Conclusion - God cannot be a man, because men lie!


Mark you wrote: God is not a man, He is Spirit.

Huh? So the man-less god said he is a HE, right? This is just the kind on double-talk that the Catholic Catechism does on God is not male but a HE. In the next breath, the RCC says women cannot hold higher office in the church because god is a male/he. Amazing!


Did Adam And Eve Incest
  
Shawn,

Upon birth, the cares(manifested) of this physical world lores the soul away from the salvation of our true existance which is in our spiritual connection with the divine source. 12/8/08

This sounds like Platonic philosophy, which is in the bible. I try to stay away from the word soul on this site because it is a word with many meanings.

You wrote: Do to diligently endure through faith in the spiritual divine power whose image we're of, we'll discern the TRUTH that we're spiritual bodies(souls) residing in the manifested.

I AGREE 100%! This is what I call #2 in my last post to you. Since we are spiritual beings having an earthly experience, which part of us is born in ORIGINAL SIN?


What If Big Bang Is True
  
Alan and Steven

Alan, thanks for sharing that you are an OBJECTVE Christian. Since I love the label-less Spirit within you, I would still love you even if you were a Muslim/Jew/Taoist/nothing.

Steven, you left out the part in my post about Christianity being a LABEL! LOVE = God as the Epistle of John 1 tells us, and Love/God is not a respecter of person, as Acts and one of Pauls epistles tells us. To love a person because he labels himself a Christian is not love. That is loving the label and not the Spirit within that individual! Even people who are not Christians, including the very objective Atheist, have the Spirit within them! There is a difference between being imbued with the Spirit and LIVING an in-Spirited life!



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