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How To Read The Bible
  
Thanks Samuel. When I read Hebrews 11 I see those even under the Law , let's say Moses, live by faith under the EVERLASTING COVENANT, that has always been by faith. Hebrews 11 says nothing about LAW. It does say they all died without receiving the promise...which was the Promise of the Holy Spirit we see in Galatians the promise of the Spirit was promised to Abraham and would come upon the Gentiles. So actually there didn't need to be a NEW Covenant ( if it is the same) I see the NEW Covenant something in addition to the Everlasting Covenant....something spoken to the House of Israel and the House of Judah OR let's say the "NATION"of Israel as a whole.....yet the Everlasting Covenant speaks to INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, and always has.


How To Read The Bible
  
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
-------16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

QUESTION, Did God promise Abraham a NEW Covenant that would replace the Old which had not even come into effect at the time of Abraham, where it is clearly stated the Covenant with Abraham would NEVER be annulled?


How To Read The Bible
  
Barb, because it was kept secret, there is no OT scripture stating one is crucified with Christ. The Mystery of Christ in you, is altogether different than the indwelling of the Holy Spirit...although they work hand in hand. When Jesus said *to eat my flesh and drink my blood* IS pointing to..".I am Crucified with Christ". If it meant what you think, MANY of the followers of Jesus would not have walked away. But that is something the Holy Spirit OUR TEACHER will have to reveal to you. Heb 10 again states we ENTER a new and living way....through the veil...THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH, sanctified by the BODY of Christ once and for all. This was NEVER stated in the OT even when we see the Promise of the NC that was stated in the OT.


Never Got An Engagement Ring
  
Some women are so desperate to marry, that they are blinded to the obvious...that your desperation is also noted by those who will take you to the cleaners. He hasn't changed.

I have a friend who fell into this same situation. He took her for all her money....and nearly ruined her financially. Thank goodness she opened her eyes before he left her destitute.


How To Read The Bible
  
Samuel, I know that is what you believe, but I don't believe the Church is Israel. I believe the Gentiles are grafted I to the Abrahamic Covenant, or EVERLASTING COVENANTS. And I believe the everlasting Covenant is different than the New Covenant. Gentiles were never under the Old Covenant. The New Covenant replaces the Old Covenant to Israel, not Gentiles, however SOME of the blessings of the New are realized in the CHURCH, and that is what i think confuses folks. But there are many NC Blessings that don't apply to the Church....namely LAND for one. read ALL of Ezekiel 36. Those promises...THE WHOLE CHAPTER , does not apply to the CHURCH that is ABOVE and free. Not of this world.


How To Read The Bible
  
Samuel, I do not believe the Church is Israel, ibecause I believe in the rapture of the Church, and that will happen before God fulfills ALL His promises to Israel, ..we see stated in Exekiel 36, Isaiah 14, Zechariah 12-14 and Revelation, just to name a few places. And this will happen before SO That Jesus can set up,His earthly Kingdom of 1000 years that' was PROMISED to Israel. I believe the CHURCH is promised to rule and reign with Christ during this time.

So my reasons and beliefs are set in the foundation of those truths and promises. And also seeing THOSE promises were never promised to the Church ( being brought back to the land) BECAUSE the Church was never promised land or to be brought back to it. CHRIST is OUR LAND.


How To Read The Bible
  
Samuel, and I see Ephesians 2 saying exactly what I just stated, that Gentiles were NEVER promised those promises to Israel or part of those covenant of promises, but were brought near by the BLOOD OF CHRIST, which is the EVERLASTING Covenant, or Abrahamic Covenant, that we see was NEVER annulled . So if it was NEVER ANNULLED, it never had to be made NEW. And Paul explains this again very thoroughly in Galatians, which stated NOTHING about a New Covenant, but DOES thoroughly explain the promises to Abraham APART FROM THE LAW, 400 years before the law. And we know Abel, Enoch, Noah, JOB, etc are included in the EVERLASTING covenant stated in Genesis 3:15.


How To Read The Bible
  
Barb, "Christ in you the hope of Glory" Is the Mystery kept secret now revealed after Jesus resurrection, also reiterated in Hebrews 10, stating a different way.. we are SANCTIFIED THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST ONCE AND FOR ALL, ...2 Peter 1 stating, we become PARTAKETS of His divine Nature through His Promises, ....not through keeping the LAW. James tells us we are being perfected through the testing of our FAITH, Paul tells us we are being conformed to His Image through the fellowship of His sufferings....ALL is the Gospel according to the MYSTERY....and ALL of what happens to those IN CHRIST and Christ IN YOU. Jesus prayer in John 17....that opened that door to the Mystery....THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY Romans 16:25-27.


How To Read The Bible
  
Barb, in the NT, to be partakers of Christ is to be crucified with Christ and raised up together with Christ a NEW CREATURE. And I the OT, a Gentile had to JOIN Israel, as we see Ruth did. This is not so in the NT. The Church is neither Jew or Gentile, and it is not Israel.. It is entirely A NEW THING, above and free. Members of Christ's BODY.

So this may be where we part ways in our beliefs. The Church is something NEW. The CHURCH is that MYSTERY of the New Creature, and what is expected of us, who we are, how we came into being etc.

No OT Law even stated one was to be crucified with Christ.


How To Read The Bible
  
Barb, ok, so I don't get what you have a problem with. Paul took the MYSTERY to the Gentiles. That now Gentiles are partakers of Christ.

We see in the other Gospels Jesus said ONLY to the House of Israel, however we see in John, the Gospel of GRACE....WHOSOEVER WILL, meaning this Gospel Is also to Gentiles.

And seeing Peter in Galatia still having issues with Gentile Believers, I BELIEVE this is WHY God called Paul to the Gentiles......

Same Gospel of Grace Barb.


How To Read The Bible
  
Barb, I would say perhaps if John 17 was not in scripture at all, one could say they have a problem with Pauls teaching. However John 17 , when you read to the end of the chapter, you should see the very core of CHRIST IN YOU, the Hope of Glory, which is actually ALL of Paul's teaching. This is the mystery revealed, that was kept secret. Jesus prayed....I in them and thou in me that we all may be ONE...AND TO SHARE IN Gods Glory. This was NEVER promised to earthly Israel,but only the CHURCH, which is that MYSTERY.

SO with that, and Jesus opening the door to that truth, and all the Apostles building upon that TRUTH, and it all making perfect sense I have no issues with ALL the NT or Paul's epistles or 1and 2 Peter.


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
Barb, after all these conversations, I've actually forgotten exactly what you believe? That keeping the LAW will save you.."in the end" ?

So,exactly what part of the Law says to "EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD? and can you give any OT Prophesy to back up Jesus words? It appears the Pharisees and many disciples had a hard time with Jesus words here and walked away.

Have you too walked away from this too,? And if not exactly HOW do you obey it? Remember, Jesus said this before His death and resurrection, which you do not believe in......


How To Read The Bible
  
John is a great place to start. However, let's remember that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and understanding, and Jesus is made unto us Wisdom and understanding. That is SPIRITUAL WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.

Therefore there are no rules on how to study. There is only LEADING AND TEACHING by the Holy Spirit who is our teacher.

Illumination of Gods Word cannot be extracted by rules, or human wisdom and intellectual understanding. It's what separates the RELIGIOUS. person from the spiritual,person.

Only by the GRACE of God and being crucified with Christ and raised up a NEW CREATURE can one be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE.

All else is religion...leading nowhere but to self righteousness.


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
1 Peter 1:3Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

Barb, do you believe Peter is also a false teacher Who testifies to the Law and Prophet about the GRACE that was to come.....as well as Peter TESTIFYING of Paul who also taught this same GRACE?


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
Barb, Luke was not a convert of Paul's. Paul heard of Luke and asked Luke if he would travel with him.

Luke was saved long before Paul was, and may have even been Mary's physician. Luke was also a Jew, not a Gentile. Many traveled with Paul who were not his converts Barb.

James , who wrote the book of James was not an Apostle either. And we see not all the Apostles wrote epistles .


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
Here is what Barb doesn't understand, ..Both Luke and Acts, written by Luke was addressed to a man named Theophilus , and Acts begins where Luke left off.....the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and Jesus instruction to wait for the Holy Spirit. Luke was an eye witness to Jesus, long before he met Paul. The Acts of the APOSTLES was not one of Pauls epistles......To accuse Luke of duplicity is most unforgivable, and severely ignorant.


Luke 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,
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Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
John, you being still partially Catholic, is understandable where your sensitivity to this issue comes. The Apostles NEVER EVER, not even once exalted Mary as the RCC has....that absolutely existed before the 12th century. The first crusade happened long before that John, we all know was initiated by the FALSE CHURCH WHO HAD POPES RUNNING IT. Protestant churches never had POPES OR was it insitutionalized with a Head other than Jesus as HEAD of the CHURCH. Even in John words in Revelation written in 95ad, we see a warning AGAINST this very institution where John warns against this harlot MYSTERY BABYLON, and his 7 letters to the churches warn against this very institution already in existance trying to infiltrate the TRUE CHURCH OF GOD.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
John obviously needs a lesson here. According to the RCC, Peter was the FIRST POPE, and then came St Linus.

To say the RCC didn't begin until the 12th to 13th century is so .....what John.....?????

Why do you think it's so important for the RCC to place Peter in ROME from the beginning?

Every Catholic website will list every POPE of the RCC from Peter on, and THEY make no distinction about any 12-13 Century.

Mary was not introduced into ANYTHING until around 300-400 ad by this FALSE CHURCH who has LIED from the beginning, since Peter was NEVER in Rome in the first place.


Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
  
Belief in the incarnation of God the Son through Mary is the basis for calling her the Mother of God, which was declared a dogma at the Council of Ephesus in 431. At the Second Vatican Council and in Pope John Paul II's encyclical Redemptoris Mater, she is spoken of also as Mother of the Church.

THIS is what I was talking about John. THIS is false doctrine still part of the RCC.

The TRUE CHURCH does not call anyone POPE THIS OR THAT.


Still Call Themselves Sinners
  
1 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Seems Peter who's epistles are words inspired by the Holy Spirit , who has a much deeper understanding to what Jesus spoke doesn't have your problem Barb, ..and Peter has more authority than you.

I'll take Peter's direction here, not yours. Since YOU wrest with Pauls words....this is addressed to you BY GOD. Take heed Barb.



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