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How To Read The Bible
Barb, "Christ in you the hope of Glory" Is the Mystery kept secret now revealed after Jesus resurrection, also reiterated in Hebrews 10, stating a different way.. we are SANCTIFIED THROUGH THE BODY OF CHRIST ONCE AND FOR ALL, ...2 Peter 1 stating, we become PARTAKETS of His divine Nature through His Promises, ....not through keeping the LAW. James tells us we are being perfected through the testing of our FAITH, Paul tells us we are being conformed to His Image through the fellowship of His sufferings....ALL is the Gospel according to the MYSTERY....and ALL of what happens to those IN CHRIST and Christ IN YOU. Jesus prayer in John 17....that opened that door to the Mystery....THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY Romans 16:25-27.

How To Read The Bible
Barb, in the NT, to be partakers of Christ is to be crucified with Christ and raised up together with Christ a NEW CREATURE. And I the OT, a Gentile had to JOIN Israel, as we see Ruth did. This is not so in the NT. The Church is neither Jew or Gentile, and it is not Israel.. It is entirely A NEW THING, above and free. Members of Christ's BODY.

So this may be where we part ways in our beliefs. The Church is something NEW. The CHURCH is that MYSTERY of the New Creature, and what is expected of us, who we are, how we came into being etc.

No OT Law even stated one was to be crucified with Christ.

How To Read The Bible
Barb, ok, so I don't get what you have a problem with. Paul took the MYSTERY to the Gentiles. That now Gentiles are partakers of Christ.

We see in the other Gospels Jesus said ONLY to the House of Israel, however we see in John, the Gospel of GRACE....WHOSOEVER WILL, meaning this Gospel Is also to Gentiles.

And seeing Peter in Galatia still having issues with Gentile Believers, I BELIEVE this is WHY God called Paul to the Gentiles......

Same Gospel of Grace Barb.

How To Read The Bible
Barb, I would say perhaps if John 17 was not in scripture at all, one could say they have a problem with Pauls teaching. However John 17 , when you read to the end of the chapter, you should see the very core of CHRIST IN YOU, the Hope of Glory, which is actually ALL of Paul's teaching. This is the mystery revealed, that was kept secret. Jesus prayed....I in them and thou in me that we all may be ONE...AND TO SHARE IN Gods Glory. This was NEVER promised to earthly Israel,but only the CHURCH, which is that MYSTERY.

SO with that, and Jesus opening the door to that truth, and all the Apostles building upon that TRUTH, and it all making perfect sense I have no issues with ALL the NT or Paul's epistles or 1and 2 Peter.

Still Call Themselves Sinners
Barb, after all these conversations, I've actually forgotten exactly what you believe? That keeping the LAW will save you.."in the end" ?

So,exactly what part of the Law says to "EAT MY FLESH AND DRINK MY BLOOD? and can you give any OT Prophesy to back up Jesus words? It appears the Pharisees and many disciples had a hard time with Jesus words here and walked away.

Have you too walked away from this too,? And if not exactly HOW do you obey it? Remember, Jesus said this before His death and resurrection, which you do not believe in......

How To Read The Bible
John is a great place to start. However, let's remember that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and understanding, and Jesus is made unto us Wisdom and understanding. That is SPIRITUAL WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.

Therefore there are no rules on how to study. There is only LEADING AND TEACHING by the Holy Spirit who is our teacher.

Illumination of Gods Word cannot be extracted by rules, or human wisdom and intellectual understanding. It's what separates the RELIGIOUS. person from the spiritual,person.

Only by the GRACE of God and being crucified with Christ and raised up a NEW CREATURE can one be CONFORMED TO HIS IMAGE.

All else is religion...leading nowhere but to self righteousness.

Still Call Themselves Sinners
1 Peter 1:3Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

Barb, do you believe Peter is also a false teacher Who testifies to the Law and Prophet about the GRACE that was to well as Peter TESTIFYING of Paul who also taught this same GRACE?

Still Call Themselves Sinners
Barb, Luke was not a convert of Paul's. Paul heard of Luke and asked Luke if he would travel with him.

Luke was saved long before Paul was, and may have even been Mary's physician. Luke was also a Jew, not a Gentile. Many traveled with Paul who were not his converts Barb.

James , who wrote the book of James was not an Apostle either. And we see not all the Apostles wrote epistles .

Still Call Themselves Sinners
Here is what Barb doesn't understand, ..Both Luke and Acts, written by Luke was addressed to a man named Theophilus , and Acts begins where Luke left off.....the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and Jesus instruction to wait for the Holy Spirit. Luke was an eye witness to Jesus, long before he met Paul. The Acts of the APOSTLES was not one of Pauls epistles......To accuse Luke of duplicity is most unforgivable, and severely ignorant.

Luke 1:3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

Acts 1:1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
John, you being still partially Catholic, is understandable where your sensitivity to this issue comes. The Apostles NEVER EVER, not even once exalted Mary as the RCC has....that absolutely existed before the 12th century. The first crusade happened long before that John, we all know was initiated by the FALSE CHURCH WHO HAD POPES RUNNING IT. Protestant churches never had POPES OR was it insitutionalized with a Head other than Jesus as HEAD of the CHURCH. Even in John words in Revelation written in 95ad, we see a warning AGAINST this very institution where John warns against this harlot MYSTERY BABYLON, and his 7 letters to the churches warn against this very institution already in existance trying to infiltrate the TRUE CHURCH OF GOD.

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
John obviously needs a lesson here. According to the RCC, Peter was the FIRST POPE, and then came St Linus.

To say the RCC didn't begin until the 12th to 13th century is so .....what John.....?????

Why do you think it's so important for the RCC to place Peter in ROME from the beginning?

Every Catholic website will list every POPE of the RCC from Peter on, and THEY make no distinction about any 12-13 Century.

Mary was not introduced into ANYTHING until around 300-400 ad by this FALSE CHURCH who has LIED from the beginning, since Peter was NEVER in Rome in the first place.

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
Belief in the incarnation of God the Son through Mary is the basis for calling her the Mother of God, which was declared a dogma at the Council of Ephesus in 431. At the Second Vatican Council and in Pope John Paul II's encyclical Redemptoris Mater, she is spoken of also as Mother of the Church.

THIS is what I was talking about John. THIS is false doctrine still part of the RCC.

The TRUE CHURCH does not call anyone POPE THIS OR THAT.

Still Call Themselves Sinners
1 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you, 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Seems Peter who's epistles are words inspired by the Holy Spirit , who has a much deeper understanding to what Jesus spoke doesn't have your problem Barb, ..and Peter has more authority than you.

I'll take Peter's direction here, not yours. Since YOU wrest with Pauls words....this is addressed to you BY GOD. Take heed Barb.

Still Call Themselves Sinners

Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Barb, I believe Jesus spoke these words. AND another thing YOU misrepresented here was ALL OF ACTS 9, Where THE LORD HIMSELF TESTIFIED TO ANANIAS regarding Paul and his conversion. Ananias would never have baptized Paul without that as well. And Ananias WITNESSING Pauls burned eyes AND actually ministered to them as well as Paul.

So GOD HIMSELF Testifies of Paul, which Luke wrote, I'm sure verifying those facts with Ananias.

Who,are YOU to decide what scripture is true and what YOU decide Is false?

Come out from under your FALSE TEACHERS BARB.

Still Call Themselves Sinners
Luke wrote Luke, one of the 4 Gospels so many folks refuse to move from believing anything after the 4 Gospels is false teaching, YET this very person who wrote one of the 4 Gospels GOD CHOSE to also author the continuation of the NT ....not as something New, but as something absolutely important to VERIFY THE WORDS OF JESUS, that Jesus said he would die and rise from the dead....of which LUKE also testifies to......

So Barb, if you reject Luke's words, then you also must reject the Gospel of Luke , since in your own words Luke is a LIAR and false witness and has been from the beginning.

GOD chose Luke to record Paul Barb.....and with good debunk folks like yourself who hate Paul. Your own words have condemned you.

Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
There was no such teaching of Mary WHATSOEVER, until the 2nd and 3rd century. It began when the RCC wanting to bring in the Greeks needed to do so by offering a Virgin Godess to replace the Dianna. It worked. And it worked with ALL HEATHAN groups who worshipped a virgin goddess. There were many virgin goddesses along with many gods. And this is HOW the RCC was able to convert so many heathans( yes Virgin goddesses go all the way back to Nimrod) ....not by preaching the true GOSPEL, but by making it easy to trade one false god and goddess for another. And not only with this but by adopting MANY HEATHAN practices and trying to sanitize Christmas, Easter holidays......Even Islam has a love affair with the Virgin Mary.

Still Call Themselves Sinners
Barb, nowhere does scripture say God requires 2-3 witnesses to our initial VERY MOMENT OF OUR salvation. Just Pauls change of heart and life, we see Paul was given the right hand of fellowship in Galatia by the Council that came from Jerusalem. And we also have Peter in Peters letters testifying of Paul and Pauls calling by God, and saying those who wrestle with Pauls teaching do so to their own destruction. That also should be a warning to you...Peters words.....

His lie was also that he didn't at first believe Jesus was the son of God. And LOOK at Pauls amazing testimony to those who first saw Paul as an enemy of the Church.. IT ALL DID ABOUND TO GODS GLORY didn't it by preaching Christ Crucified and risen.

More Finish It Here June 2017
John, like I said, you don't listen to others. The exact words "Sola S" was not coined until the reformation. The concept is clearly stated in scripture that I posted. Your rantings show You do not either believe in Sola S yourself, OR you think Sola S INCLUDE Augustine Calvin, Calvinism, etc, which suggests here YOUR understanding of Sola S include Mans interpretation of Scripture. THEREFORE I DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR DEFINITION OF SOLA S. DO YOU GET IT NOW JOHN? Probably not. As far as I'm concerned this debate is OVER.

More Finish It Here June 2017
Haz, let's be more realistic here. There was no such thing as the left or right during the time of the Apostles, YET there has always been those who oppose the Gospel. Yes and if we want to label them left and right...the Right would be the Pharisees.....religious, but just as lost as the opposing side.....Heathans.

THAT is what you can't understand.Trump is NOT a Chriatian HAZ. Oh and do t start with....No one has a right to judge. Trumps own words, saying he has never repented, and sees no reason to...along with his CRUDE behavior will validate that fact. And where is it our job to openly HATE the HEATHAN? WE are not. And YOUR WAY in no way is a testimony to the lost.

Being RIGHT doesn't mean one is RIGHT HAZ.

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