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What Is The Trinity
  
PART 2

Cliff,

"Jesus realising everything was now completed said (fulfilling the saying of scripture), "I am thirsty." There was a bowl of sour wine standing there. So they soaked a sponge in the wine, put it on a spear, and pushed it up towards his mouth. When Jesus had taken it, he cried, "It is finished!" His head fell forward, and he died. (John 19:28ff)


What Is The Trinity
  
PART 1

Cliff the answer:

"We're writing to you about something which has always existed yet which we ourselves actually saw and heard: something which we had an opportunity to observe closely and even to hold in our hands, and yet, as we know now, was something of the very Word of life himself! For it was life which appeared before us: we saw it, eye-witnesses of it, and are now writing to you about it. It was the very life of all ages, the life that always existed with the Father, which actually became visible in person to us mortals. We repeat, we really saw and heard what we are now writing to you about. We want you to be with us in this - in this fellowship with the Father, and Jesus Christ his Son." (1 John 1:1-3)


Is Sound Doctrine Important
  
The disparagement of academic study runs contrary to Paul's upholding of it. Paul stated, "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, and I was brought up and educated here in Jerusalem under Gamaliel."

Tarsus was an intellectual capital. It had universities and it was clear that Paul had been exposed to its teachings. After all, he freely quoted Aratus and Epimenides, even humorously embedding the latter's paradox into his Epistle to Titus (see 1:12).

The anti-intellectualism boasted of here is really an excuse for these people's lack of education.

Dogma is good, OK!


What Is A False Prophet
  
Donna,

Although they've been absent for a few months or so, we've had false prophets here...and they don't ask for money, apparently. I'm talking about our JWs Scott and David.

You see, Donna, all JWs are, according to the Governing Body, prophets of God. The Watchtower has got innumerable predictions wrong (you know, 1914, 1925...1975...) and so, by biblical definition, they are false prophets.

Do we fear them? Hardly! Pity them, more likely.


Dinosaurs Tearing Teeth
  
Kath,

In Genesis 7:22 Moses writes that the Flood destroyed all the earth creatures that had nostrils in which there was the breath of life.

Question: Do insects have nostrils?


Finish It Here April 2015
  
Kath, don't vent your spleen on Warwick. You should have a go at Basil who stated,

And there was evening and there was morning:
one day. And the evening and the morning were one
day. Why does Scripture say one day the first day?
Before speaking to us of the second, the third, and
the fourth days, would it not have been more natural
to call that one the first which began the series? If it
therefore says one day, it is from a wish to determine
the measure of day and night, and to combine the time
that they contain. Now twenty-four hours fill up the
space of one day we mean of a day and of a night"

Saint Basil the Great supported the Nicene Creed and opposed the heresies of Arianism.


Finish It Here April 2015
  
So StrongAxe, let's say that each "day" of the first three weren't 24 hrs long but 6 zillion, gozillion, heptillion hrs long. Let's just say that and really believe it. Let's further believe that the following 4 days are normal 24 hr ones.

Question: What advantage does that have over the orthodox, traditional one in which God worked 6 24-hr ones?


Finish It Here April 2015
  
StrongAxe wrote: "You can't just add exceptions. I didn't say God didn't create this or that in a day. It's just debatable as to what "day" ACTUALLY means during the first three day."

Genesis DEFINES a day as an evening and morning. There's nothing debatable about that. You're claiming that there is an exception, that it could mean something else. Of course, you don't give an argument, you just assert it.

Quid pro quo: I'm claiming that it's debatable whether murder applies in all circumstances because the Bible DOESN'T say that it does (and it doesn't ACTUALLY give you a definition in all circumstances) so therefore it's possible that if the chick is hot you can kill her bloke.

Stop the special pleading!


Finish It Here April 2015
  
StrongAxe: "It MAY have been 24 hours. We don't know. Scripture doesn't say, one way or other"

1. "You shall not murder", except if the guy's married to a really hot babe, Scripture doesn't say, one way or other.

2. "You shall not bear false witness", unless the dude's a wanker because Scripture doesn't say, one way or other.

3. "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman", unless you really love the guy and want to spend the rest of your lives together because Scripture doesn't say, one way or other.

Yep, StrongAxe, 6 days can't be 6 days because the Scripture is silent on its meaning!


Finish It Here April 2015
  
God's prophets and God's only prophetic organisation?
1. God changed his mind about birthdays after 1940.
2. God changed his mind about whether Christ died on a cross (check out the Watchtower magazine's logo pre-1931).
3. God changed his mind about blood (including cow fertilisers for your garden), transplants, then changed his mind back again...and again...and again...(as more "light"(?) came upon the subject, or some such get-out-of-jail excuse was invented)
4. God changed his mind about black men's skins becoming white ("There is no servant in the world as good as a good Colored servant" The Golden Age, July 24, 1929, p. 702)


Creatures Born In Garden
  
Concerning my writing that God wrote on 2 tablets of stone that He took 6 days to create everything, StoneAxe replies: "I don't recall Genesis being written on stone tablets. I always thought it was the Ten Commandments."

Read Exodus 31:12-18. God retells Moses how long He took to create the entire universe i.e. 6 days, tells him that if the Israelites break the Sabbath command they will be put to death, and then Moses writes, "And when he had made an end of speaking with him he gave Moses tablets of stone, written with the finger of God." (Ex 31:18).

So, how long did God say he took?


Creatures Born In Garden
  
Strongaxe: "creatures were being brought forth after their own kinds BEFORE man was created..these have [long] gestation periods"

SA's reasoning = I know I understand the passage's meaning, there can't be any other meaning, therefore did God really say He took 6 days, as written by God's hand on the 2 tablets of stone? Nahh, course He didn't!


What Did Jesus Eat
  
Cliff,

You allege Warwick is poor in logic, so allow me to correct yours.

Your implicit allegation that God originally designed, for example, vultures to eat carrion is based on the faulty extrapolation that what occurs now, must have been always that way unchanged from the beginning? How so?

And, if this were the case then a murderer incarcerated today must have been always one, either by God's decree or by genetics?


Brands Of Christianity
  
Cluny,

Where did you come across the direction that JWs are encouraged to scour old issues of the WT?


Brands Of Christianity
  
Two JWs were disturbing my very old Greek Orthdox neighbour yesterday. I went down to rescue her but she said, "Don't worry, darling, I read my Bible and I know who they are."

With old copies of the Watchtower in hand I showed them they were wrong: they were God's only PROPHETS. I also showed them they use to believe in the cross, blacks were dumber than whites etc.

They replied, "Oh, I understand your logic, but, well, they're old magazines and as we get more light..."

"That's interesting," I asked, "does that mean what you and the magazine are telling me now may be wrong later? How then are you God's prophets?"

They walked away. I was impressed with their apologetic mastery.


Once Saved Always Saved
  
David,

Not only are you incapable of researching your (God's only earthly prophetic) organisation's publications, prompting you to call me a liar in the process, you flounder even understanding plain English when I explain my comment about "tossing Blacks out". Further to my point, I asked "Has God's only appointed organisation tossed out that Blacks are inferior to whites". You call me a liar, once again. Really?!

Please read Zion's Watch Tower, VOL. XXIII. JULY 15, 1902. No. 14., pp. 215-216, which is EASILY located on-line.

Now, what were you saying, David?


What Is Faith And Hope
  
David: "Since Christ was the master teacher, he must have taught salvation without works in the Gospels. Where did he teach it?"

Try Luke 7:36-50. Note Jesus' final words: "Your faith has saved you. Go in peace."

Try John 6:27-29, especially v. 29: "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he sent."


Brands Of Christianity
  
David,

Not only are you incapable of researching your (God's only earthly prophetic) organisation's publications, prompting you to call me a liar in the process, you flounder even understanding plain English when I explain my comment about "tossing Blacks out". Further to my point, I asked "Has God's only appointed organisation tossed out that Blacks are inferior to whites". You call me a liar, once again. Really?!

Please read Zion's Watch Tower, VOL. XXIII. JULY 15, 1902. No. 14., pp. 215-216, which is EASILY located on-line.

Now, what were you saying, David?



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