Did God Create Sin Or Did We
Legends, no problem brother, I enjoy looking up passages and going to commentaries and looking words in Scripture on my Lexicon books. It is a joy to look for the Truth and speak for it. I use to find joy in golfing, and other things but little by little that joy went away and this one grew so much. May you and your family have a wonderful New year and many blessings. Keep asking and writing and if I see something that I like to answer to I will. Thanks
---Mark_V. on 1/3/11|
I just read your New Year's greetings on another blog that was so full I couldn't respond. Thank you so much for the Christian love you've shown me and so many others on this blog.
Your viewpoint on each subject is important for us all to see. Keep it up. It causes me to study how to answer... especially seeing that some of my answers seem off the wall.
Blessings in 2011 to you and yours!
---Legends on 1/2/11|
God created a plan where He knew if He gave man freedom of choice, they would sin, and so they did. For we are told that Christ was "foreknown indeed (as a sacrifice for sin) before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20. Paul speaks of "the eternal purpose" which was purposed in Jesus Christ our Lord," Eph. 3:11. The writer of Hebrews refers to "the blood of an eternal covenant" 13:20. And since the plan of redemption is thus traced back into eternity, the plan to permit man to fall into the sin from which he was thus to be redeemed must also extend back into eternity.
---Mark_V. on 12/24/10|
God made humans, and angels (including Satan), with the ability to decide - to follow God, as He desired, or not to.....
If there was no way to decide, would we still be human? Possibly, but I suspect (subject to your thinking it's appropriate) that a real conscious being (like humans and angels) must be able to choose.
So we were made ABLE to sin, by not doing what God wanted us to
---peter on 12/21/10|
Glad to be of service. May I suggest a book published through Xulon Press. It's called "Legends Of The Fallen". It extensively addresses some of these topics.
Have a very Merry Christmas!
---Legends on 12/21/10|
While I do not believe God is the author of sin, He foreordained that such would be used for His glory.
God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass, yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.
Westminster Confession III.1
I can provide the scripture the Puritans used for this position. Eph.1:11, Acts 4:27,28 Mt. 10:29,30, Eph 2:10, James 1:13, 1 John 1:5, Actss 2:23, Mt. 17:12, John 19:1 Prov. 16:33, Acts 27:23,24,34,44.
---leej on 12/21/10|
Sin does not come from God, sin comes from the sinuous, and right comes from the righteous.
---Eloy on 12/19/10|
God created free will.This frees man from being born as a machine.Machines are pre programed to act to commands given by the creator of the machine.
With freedom of will comes freedom of choice.
A person is born unspiritual,having no knowledge of God.Thense a person must be born again spiritually in faith recognition of the God he discovers.He does nt have to be born again if he so wills it.Sin is an action created by a free willed person who choose to sin.God did not give sin to anyone.
---earl on 12/18/10|
Thank you Legends, your comments were very helpful indeed.
---Seeker6580 on 12/16/10|
FACT: No apostle ever taught that a rebel angel introduced sin into the universe. Revelation 12:3-4 states nothing of an angel of God introducing sin into the universe "before" Adam sinned. States nothing about an angel of God whatsoever.
FACT: Isaiah 14:1-32 addresses no angel nor does it EVER mention the word angel anywhere in the passage. Clearly addresses the FUTURE king of Babylon, a HUMAN(vs.16) not an angel, that God was GOING TO deliver Israel from his oppressive hands and give THEM rest(vss. 3-4) .
FACT: Ezekiel clearly calls a different HUMAN "THE ANOINTED CHERUB THAT COVERS(guards or protects)" Cherubic Covering is the God-ordained role of all Leaders in government.
Cover not covet. See Ezekiel 26:2.
---Legends on 3/24/09|
Do the research. Look up these passages again for yourself. Don't add ANGELS to or take HUMANS away from these passages. Just read them as they were written. Ask God why no Apostles confirm the story of an angelic rebellion.
Stars are in the Book of Revelation but never CONFIRMED to mean angels. Contextually stars refer to the "human" offspring of father Abraham. "Count the stars, so shall thy seed be." Genesis 15:5.
Human false teachers are compared to OUT OF SYNC wandering stars Jude :13.
FACT: According to Revelation, at some time AFTER the two prophets of chapter ELEVEN(not before Adam sinned), the dragon's tail sweeps 2/3 of the STARS from heaven(OUTERSPACE) in Chapter TWELVE. Get blogs IN SYNC.
---Legends on 3/25/09|
Good question...What is this deadly and damnable thing that is so hated by God and so harmful to man? The very word carries with it the hissing sound of a vicious viper....The origin of sin. A powerful Angelic creature named Lucifer once [perhaps before the creation of the earth] led a wicked revolt against Jehovah God himself in an INSANE ATTEMPT to dethrone the rightful King, The Lord Jesus Christ. Thus sin came about. Lucifer degenerated into the devil and became, therefore, the source and strength of sin. Please note: An Angel introduced sin into the universe, however, it was man who invited it into the world [not God, but man]. You may check it out...Revelation 12: 3,4, Isaiah 14: 12-15, Ezekiel 28: 11-19.
---catherine on 3/24/09|
A shadow is formed by an object as it blocks direct light from the plane on which the shadow is cast.
The absence of love and peace amongst the living is evil.
"I form the light, and create darkness:"
"I make peace, and create evil:"
"I the LORD do all these things."
---Nana on 3/24/09|
God did not create sin.
---BettyW on 3/22/09|
God created people capable of sinning. That's how He set things up in the world. No sin, no redemption. No pain, no compassion. Let the fruit of your redemption be compassion for all! God bless!
---JohnnyB on 3/20/09|
When blogs say things that the Apostles don't, we must assume that the blog is outside of the Apostles' teachings.
You will never find any Apostle that teaches any doctrine about "sin" being introduced into the world (any part of the created natural universe or even the spiritual Heaven) by an angel or a former angel.
What the Apostles teach about the very first sin is unbelievably clear. It is summed up in Romans 5:12. "By one "MAN'S" disobedience..."
All other doctrine outside the Apostles' is considered cursed along with the carrier of the doctrine. Let's stop cursing ourselves by speaking thing adverse to His word.
We are responsible... not God's angels!
---Legends on 3/20/09|
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When God made all things(and He did) He looked and saw that they were all good. Evil is simply the opposite of good. Evil comes with good in a similar way that total darkness comes with light's absence. Someone in authority has to be the responsible cause. Evil first happened when Adam adversely disobeyed Good. Adam separated himself from God. By doing this, he broke the peace between God and man. Mankind by sin became the enemies of God. Fallen mankind steals. Fallen mankind kills. Fallen mankind destroys.
Jesus came to destroy the works of the enemy(the devil). Again...to claim that the devil is the same thing as a fallen angel is outside the writings of the apostles. (see "Is satan a fallen angel" blogs)
---Legends on 3/20/09|
An angel introduced sin into the universe, man invited sin into the world. [Adam] >>The origin of sin.>>Lucifer led a wicked revolt against God himself in an insane attempt to dethrone the rightful King, the Lord Jesus Christ. Lucifer became the devil and became, therefore, the source and strength of sin.
---catherine on 2/11/08|
Sin came before Adam. Lucifer was first to choose rebellion. He was created perfect with choice. Isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace and create evil: I the Lord do all these things." Satan was given choice and choose to glorify himself. Ezk. 28:15: Thou wast perfect in thy ways that thou wast created, till iniquiaty was found in thee. V. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty. Satans sin according to Ezekiel was his vanity.
---Linda on 2/10/08|
Even tho God created Satan, God is not the author of Sin. Nor is man. By falsehood Satan brought about the fall of man, in which man became liable to eternal punishment. [The second death] It was a choice Satan made and He chosed to corrupt as widely as possible God's creation. The Devil, well He sinned from the beginning.The great sin was pride. Remember, He made the choice. [Also from the beginning fallen angels]
---catherine on 3/20/07|
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God made man with a free will and that is where sin comes into it. Complicated to try and explain in short space. Welcome to chat. Junia 6337
---Junia on 3/20/07|
I read in IJohn5:18 "We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin". Jesus was made a Lamb of Salvation,a Hope of Glory. Sin arose through the disobedience of Adam and Eve in the Garden. The perpetuation of Man's evil Desire,is certainly not from God.He knows hearts of Men,and as stated in Isaiah 66:24,teaches of rebellious dead bodies "their worm will not die,nor will their fire be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind".
---rosem4839 on 3/20/07|
God did not create sin. When you read Genesis chapter 1, you find that a certain phrase over and over, "it was good" (parahphasing). No mistakes were made in Creation. Sin came about because angels and humans with free will choose sin on their own free will. As result of the orignal sin, humans are born with a sinful nature.
---Micha6835 on 3/20/07|
well!! I think It started frm Heaven when Setan wanted to be more than god.Because he did what is contrary to God's will.And that was the first sin.But it leaves a Question of, Was he suffering from sin that already existed? we sin by thought,deeds.Maybe sin was manifested through Setan because he knew what was wrong and rite,since he had powers as well.hope this will help.
---Dumisa on 5/7/06|
Amazing thought -- God had to create, made that is, sin or it just could not be there. If He hadn't made it, it simply could not be there. "There is nothing that is made without Him that is not made".
---Helen_5378 on 4/20/06|
God did not create sin, defined as going against His will. It was found in Lucifer opposing God, a catch-22 to God, in essence: "God's a suppressive tyrant to make us 'obey or else', or He's lax and His word is mud if He lets us get away with opposing Him". God permits evil temporarily (long time to us) to show His attributes not only of Holiness and Power as Creator but also of Mercy and Love as Redeemer. The problem resolved on the Cross.
---Sonya on 6/29/05|
man was created in God's image and angels were called man-satan had free will so he chose pride
---willa6349 on 5/22/05|
Actually the 1st sin was committed in heaven.
When lucifer, the "angel of light", chose to
put himself above God.he said that he would
be above God Himself.That is when satan and 1/3 of the angels that sided with him was cast out of the heavenlies.sin was born.now satan is the prince of the power of the air, the angels with him are his cohorts in trying to undermind God's work here on earth.
---shearon on 5/21/05|
No God did not creat sin. Sin is disobeying God. It is an action or lack of action. We sin by thought, word, or deed.
---Ulrika on 5/20/05|
No! God did not create sin per se. He did give man the option to obey or disobey, to eat of the fruit or not to eat of it. Until man made the choice to disobey the possibiility of sin's existance was but it only became a reality after man sinnned.
---Pierr7958 on 5/19/05|
It is my understanding that sin came out of God's gift of free will to man - to choose to obey or disobey. In Isaiah 54:16-17 God says: "See, it is I who created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame and forges a weapon fit for its work. And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc; NO WEAPON FORGED AGAINST YOU WILL PREVAIL..." In this case, our choices decide if the weapon (sin) will prevail or not. Hope this is helpful.
---CarolT on 5/19/05|
God desires to save, but why save if there's nothing to save from. Speculation: could that be why the "forbidden tree" was put in the "middle" of the garden?
---Eloy on 5/19/05|
Looks to me, from all these answers we are all left with Anna's question. There is a book called "The Question of Evil" What we all seem sure of is that God doesn't make evil. What we all seem sure of is that evil exists.
What we all seem sure of is that Christ is redeemer.
---barbara67 on 5/18/05|
Freewill was given, so did he create defective creatures destined to fail, predestine failure or was it just foreknowledge? He did say the first two humans would eat of the forbidden tree before they actually did. And he said that he did harden Pharoah's heart, and he did bring the evil plagues, and create the hell. Sin is disobedience like a child who disobeys their parent, but the parent's not the cause of the child's unruliness.
---Eloy on 5/18/05|
I don't think you can say that God "created" sin, per se. Sin is simply not measuring up to God's standard, wherein we all fall way short. God set the parameters for what sin is by being Himself, no more, no less.
---tommy3007 on 5/18/05|
To sin is to break the law of God, it is the act of not doing what God wants. It came into the world simply because God gave man the free will to choose whether he will obey or not. Romans 5:12 - "... sin entered the world through one man ..." Sin wasn't created, it was a result of an action.
---DoryLory on 5/18/05|
Genesis 1 .. and God made everything "GOOD"
Genesis 2, 3, 4 - Adam and Eve sin. ... they ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Genesis 2:9
Christ, the only one without 'sin' in everything, becomes the argument that the Christ was a sin offering. "Made to be sin" indicates that God dealt with Christ as HE deals with sin. Christ fulfilled what was normally the guilt offering.
2 Corinthians 5:21.
1 Corinthians 15:21,22
---Barbara67 on 5/18/05|
God made man with free will. Lucifer was also made that way, and I think that is how sin came to be. I Don't think sin was actually created.
---seane6489 on 5/18/05|