Dear Samuel, yes, we do agree on many things which is good. Every Christian has some light on some things others Christians might not yet. The same holds true the opposite. Others might have more light on some passages then I do. No one is at the same level. To some God reveals something later on in life then to others. The good thing is that we are all receiving more light everyday. What I see now might not be what you see now, and the other way around. And you are right also, so long as we believe in the Word of God. That is where the light comes from with the help of the Spirit. Agape brother.
---Luke on 3/27/14|
Yes Luke we are to love one another whether we agree in all points. But I also believe you and I can agree on a number of things.
We both believe in JESUS as Our LORD and Savior and we both believe the Bible is the word of GOD and tells what is the truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/14|
Dear Samuel, as I said before, it is ok to disagree. The love of one for another does not change because we do not agree. But it is wonderful to share Scripture with you, Bless you brother, agape
---Luke on 3/26/14|
Yes Luke you repeated what I said.
There is the first Resurrection to eternal life. They are blessed and Holy.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
It says the rest were not alive. Which means dead.
Then as you stated there is a resurrection to the Second Death. This is pictured in Revelation where they surround the New Jerusalem or camp of the saints. Read all of Revelation 20.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/14|
The Apostle Paul said:
2Cor12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth,)
2Cor12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Paul said heaven was paradise! Christ called heaven "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22)
We are told of Abraham:
Heb11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Sounds like a real place to me!!!
---trey on 3/22/14|
Dear Samuel, you said that there is two resurrections. You first gave John 5:25-29 and then give Revelation 20:5,6 as if there is another resurrection when verse 5 tells us.
"This is the first resurrection" then it says,
"Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection" Only the those who have done good are the blessed and holy.
In John 5:28,29 tells us,
"Do not marvel at this for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation"
Those who have done evil to the resurrection of condemnation.
---Luke on 3/22/14|
2 Thessalonians 2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
There are two resurrections, the first and second. There is 1000 years between the two. No scripture supports a universal resurrection that happens all at the same time.
Another GAP Luke, or Markv simply can't understand, but is clearly stated in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/14|
Two resurrections. John 5:28,29 Rev. 20,5,6
Second coming the righteous are raised and wicked die.
... until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot, ...
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
Matthew 13:41,49 Revelation 6:14-16
Second Coming First Resurrection of righteous.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/14|
//The day of the LORD refers to the second coming of JESUS. On that day all the wicked will be killed by the Brightness of His coming and the righteous will be taken to heaven. Matthew 24:30,31"
Dear Samuel, nowhere in that passage does it say the wicked will be killed by the brightness of His coming. Not one place. Sorry, but what the Bible does say is,
"That our Savior foretells a universal resurrection. All are to be raised at the same hour, and that event specifically will involve those who enter into life, as well as those who are to encounter judgment, which, in this case signifies the last judgment, the damnation of the wicked (Thayer, 362). This is eternal estrangement from the Creator, John 5:28,29.
---Luke on 3/21/14|
Okay Luke. You are correct Matt. 10,28 does not say GOD is doing it now because the Lake of Fire does not exist yet. The Dead are asleep. By the way look up the Book The Fire that Consumes By Fudge.
The day of the LORD refers to the second coming of JESUS. On that day all the wicked will be killed by the Brightness of His coming and the righteous will be taken to heaven. Matthew 24:30,31
1 Thess 4:16
On the Day of Judgment all the wicked will be resurrected judged and then cast into the lake of fire. There they will be punished exactly as much as they deserve then suffer the second death which is the punishment for sin. They are dead forever. This is the punishment for sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/14|
Dear Samuel, first, the passage in Matt. 10:28 is not saying God will destroy or kill anyone in hell. Has nothing whatsoever to do with people dying in hell. It mentions that God has the power to not only destroy the soul but also the body. It does not saying He is doing that now or that He will in hell.
Second, If some are alive when the Day of the Lord comes, and they die in hell because of their unbelief, it would be their first death, not a second death.
Third, all are given a new body, some prepared for heaven and others prepared for hell. Why give them a new body to turn around and kill them again in hell? Just doesn't make any sense.
We are told the punishment is everlasting. It does not stop. Agape.
---Luke on 3/19/14|
Good points. Yes the righteous have eternal life.
The wicked are destroyed in hell.
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Yes the first death is referring to the physical one. The Second death to being destroyed and ceasing to exist.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14|
Revelation 19:20 "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."
Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
The deceiving devil, the beast and the false prophet will live everafter in the lake of fire and brimstone. Isn't that clear from those verses?
---Nana on 3/13/14|
//Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.//
Death in that passage is physical death. Because of sin all humans die a physical death, and because of Christ we have eternal life. Jesus said,
"I am the resurrection and the life, He who believes in Me though he may die, he shall live"
here die is a physical death, yet shall he live, eternal life. Then Jesus say,
"And whoever lives and believes in Me, shall never die."
Here at the resurrection, if you are still physically alive, you will never die.
Commenting on the passage you gave. Agape
---Luke on 3/13/14|
Punishment implies pain, annihilation involves no pain. Food for thought.
Dear Luke there is a small confusion. Soul annihilation as taught by some means they do not die in the lake of fire. They just cease to exist. Where as the person being cast in to a literal lake of fire will cause pain but then destroy the person.
In Texas the Death Penalty is enforced often. It does not involve keeping a person alive and torturing them. The penalty is their death.
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/12/14|
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//I believe a literal hell will burn up and destroy, kill the wicked who will cease to exist.//
Did you ever stop to think that the ungodly want nothing more than to be separated from God? If in hell they were to die, they would continue to be separated from God. That would be great for them, but their problem in hell will not be separation from God, it will be the presence of God that will torment them. In hell, God will be present in the fullness of His divine wrath.
No one ungodly will wish they go there, because the Bible teaches that the punishment is eternal. Punishment implies pain, annihilation involves no pain. Food for thought.
---Luke on 3/12/14|
I believe in a literal Heaven and one day the City of New Jerusalem will leave then and come sit down on this planet after it has been recreated to like before the fall of man.
I believe a literal hell will burn up and destroy, kill the wicked who will cease to exist.
Yes today to many they do have different meanings.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/6/14|
I believe that Heaven is a literal place. Whether it will 'literally' be one giant cube as stated in Revelation 21 is another matter. I'm not saying it will or won't be but I believe it will be literally there and enormous and big enough for all.
Hell is literal also I believe but is primarily there for Satan to be punished eternally. Others who have followed him on earth will follow him there which is why we need to be saved in THIS life. I don't believe we'll be given a second change once dead.
---Rita_H on 3/6/14|
It's real, but I don't think its in this physical universe.
I can say the same for hell.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/14|
Hello,all! Be look towards heaven so I can sing & shout "Up there ain't nobody gonna put me out!" (famous song) there perhaps you will see me and I will see you my friends from CNT. It going to be a wonderfull time! want to see my grandmother who took time with me such love & kindess, my son..
No more sickness,my tears will
Be dry... halleluyah!
---Lidia4796 on 3/3/14|
Hi, because of a beautiful dream I once had, I visualize meeting my dear "big bro" under one of Heaven's trees someday--and hopefully both my big brothers. I have no doubt God ministers to the dying! I will be sooooo happy to see him/them again!! Going to cry if I'm not careful lol, love Mary
---Mary on 3/1/14|
The scriptures describe heaven as a country and as a city. We know that Christ is there in bodily form along with the host of heaven. Yes, heaven is a real place and so is he'll!
---trey on 2/24/14|
Yes as a Christian I believe heaven is a literal place. Which is why we will get resurrected bodies. First Corinthians to live there.
Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 12/31/13|
The Bible teaches that there is a literal heaven- but some people who say they are Christians will say other wise.
---laura on 12/30/13|
I must add: My personal belief about heaven is that when Eternity begins, it will certainly not be a 'static' situation of just sitting there doing nothing!!! Our infinite God will most likely give us a variety of infinite tasks to keep us busy and to learn even more about Him! I think that I desire to, He'll let me explore the whole awesome universe that He's created and may re-create for us. God is certainly not limited to our feeble imaginations.
---Daniel on 12/1/07|
if heaven was not literal where would christians be after death?floating in limbo?Jesus told the dying criminal on ther cross next to Him today you will be withme in paradise yes heaven is a place,so by the way,is hell
---doree4573 on 4/25/07|
Streets are lined with gold, YES, Heaven is a literal place. The place where God dwells is not a made up some fantasy imagined hoop laa. It is a place of perfect happiness. WOW, HERE I COME>>>SOMEDAY. Heaven is a place where Chridtians will be with GOD. We will have new bodies and new experiences. [1 Corin 15:35-57]. God is not only limited to heaven He also dwells on this earth.>>>Note>>> The physical heaven inwhich God placed the sun, stars, and moon. [GEN. 1;1;22:17].
---catherine on 4/25/07|
I believe it is a literal place.
---lynet on 4/24/07|
Hey if its a real place, than couldnt that mean we could go there, if we get expereinces like what happened in 2nd corinthians 12(the out of body third heaven one i forget if its in this chpt)
---mark on 4/24/07|
Well I sure do, but heaven isn't necessarily a 'place' that takes up space in our three dimensional universe, since heaven is really wherever God is and being with Him; and God, who is eternal, as if all time were right now, can also be outside of our "space" as well! But read the whole chapter of Revelation 21; it implies we will live on the new earth God creates.
---Daniel on 4/24/07|
A literal heaven.
---Eloy on 10/1/06|
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Heaven is a very real place. As somebody suggested below, if it were only a state of mind, then none of us would be born-again and Jesus would not have had to die on the Cross for us to have eternal life with Him in Heaven.
---Helen_5378 on 10/1/06|
Heaven is a literal place. If man were able to, which he never will, travel right to the edge of outer space, then there is Heaven!
---Helen_5378 on 9/28/06|
What difference does it make speculating if heaven is literal or figurative.The Israelites roamed the desert, when prophesied they would enter a land flowing with milk & honey. We are promised Eternal Happiness through Faith, grace, good works, His Word Repentance,& following Gods commandments, & to love one another,not necesairly in that order.Do we argue about it Or do we work towards it. Osas don't have that option or Jw's.We break the commandment love one another while disagreeing.
---Emcee on 9/28/06|
Some do and others dont. In our RE lessons we learn that some Christians belive heaven is a literal place but other believe that it is a state of mind.
---becci on 9/28/06|
1st cliff, the original Eden of earth geographically located between the tigris and euphrates is not the same Paradise where the righteous spirits go after this life. For that Garden of Eden is on earth, but the New Eden is in heaven.
---Eloy on 6/4/05|
Eloy; you totally discount Gen.3 22"lest they ..eat from the "TREE OF LIFE" and live forever"" In Eden not heaven! Paradise is translated from a Persian word meaning "park or garden"or "enclosed forrested area" Are you intimating that satan forced God to abandon His plan for Eden???(not possable)
---1st_cliff on 6/2/05|
1st cliff, yes, the tree of life is in paradise and paradise is heaven. The only divine tree of life you will find on the earth currently is the Holy Spirit of Christ.
---Eloy on 6/2/05|
So, from Eloy and 1st Cliff, I got an impression that "heaven" and "paradise" are two different places. Is that it?
---linda6546 on 6/2/05|
Eloy; Rev 2.7 says the "tree of life is there"(paradise) Paradise is Eden restored;Check Gen.3 the tree of life is mentioned as being there not in heaven.Jesus was promissing the thief life in the "new earth" Eden restorred(paradise) let me draw a picture of Paradise-animals,birds,fish,fruit,vegies,sunset,sunrise,good health ocean waves,kids,grand kids etc..
---1st_cliff on 6/1/05|
You are ok! I don't mind the pain nor the challenge but I am going to focus more on responding to those who make their points based on the Bible! Later! Pierre
---Pierr7958 on 6/1/05|
Eloy, if you had read my posting, you would have seen that in my first sentence, I said IN SO MANY WORDS that heaven and hell are indeed literal places.
Linda got my saying that. Why didn't you?
---Jack on 6/1/05|
Bruce, I am trying my best to be ready.
---linda6546 on 6/1/05|
Call it what you want. One thing I know is that Jesus will be there and invites us to join Him.
John 14:3, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
Are you ready?
---Bruce5656 on 5/31/05|
Eloy, don't worry... I said "I had".I am searching, you know, and folks out here are generous enough to give their time, talents, resources for "a soul wondering in ....". I hope you understand the unwritten words.
---linda6546 on 5/31/05|
Spiritual meaning of heaven, The place where everlasting blessedness of the righteous the abode of departed spirits. There are many names for heaven, Father's House, Paradise, heavenly Jerusalem, eternal kingdom, etc. Heaven is real, it is more real than we can ever imagine.
---Rebecca_D on 5/30/05|
jack and linda, if you believe heaven is just a fugurative habitation, then what will limit you to not wrongly count every thing in the Bible as figurative and not a literal reality?
---Eloy on 5/30/05|
I wish to say this especially to Gregg:For a long time, I had a similar definition of heaven with yours. I have done my best to make "little heaven" out of this chaotic existence. Am observing other people too and "things done" for the good of humanity. But somehow, something is missing. I wish your definition of heaven becomes a stairway for us to really get "there".
---linda6546 on 5/30/05|
Thank you Daniel, Jack, Elsie, Lizzie, Emcee and Eloy for voicing your side using the Bible telling me that heaven is a "literal place". Ulrika and Lizzie, Sorry I can't follow your suggestion re Concordance. Got no Bible around except that NIV borrowed from a room mate. Ali, Gladdy and Leon: I heard your warnings. Leon, wish I could sing the song with you.Just teach me. Am a fast learner when it comes to church music.
---linda6546 on 5/30/05|
Hello, Folks: I would like to say that my reactions cover the responses given by Daniel, Elsie, Gregg, Ali, Lizzie, Emcee, Xanthi, Leon, Jack, Gladdy and Eloy, all posted on 5/28/05.
I read Revelation 21 as suggested by Daniel and Xanthi. My reaction was, the city described is not fitted for human habitation! ...Okay,.. heaven-dwellers are not humans. But Emcee's 1Cor2:9, negates totally the description in Revelation 21 because it says "No eyes has seen..." Any explanation, please?
---linda6546 on 5/30/05|
Eloy, remember that John saw the New Jerusalem descending precisely because the old heaven and earth had passed away. New Jerusaem, heaven, and paradise are NOT synonyms, though some Christians loosely use them as such.
---Jack on 5/29/05|
1st cliff, i don't think it, i know it. Please read Luke 23:42-46; Revelation 2:7.
---Eloy on 5/29/05|
The children's song goes
Heaven is a wonderful place,
Filled with glory and grace,
I want to see my Saviour's face,
Heaven is a wonderful place.
There is also
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul,
When at the cross my Saviour made me whole,
My sins were washed away,
And my night was turned to day,
Heaven came down and glory filled my soul.
---barbara67 on 5/29/05|
Eloy; Would you tell me why you think "paradise" is heaven? Pierr;Sorry to be a pain but who else will keep you on your toes? Strange thing...some dont know what they believe untill they try to explain it to someone else....expression deepens impression!
---1st_cliff on 5/29/05|
Heaven is for the most part beyond our comprehension (1 Cor 2:9)
But we do know a few ice things about it;
We have some nce housing waitin for us there. In addition we are going to build some other houses with lots of fruit trees around. Nice thing we will build and inhabit!
There will finally be Peace and those of us who are handicapped will once again be ale to keep up with the kids!
Mo more sicknes, death. No sad crying no pain (in the neck like Jack,1st Cliff etc-JUST KIDDING !!
---Pierr7579 on 5/29/05|
Let me share a book here about Heaven. "Heaven is so real" by Choo Thomas. This book explains clearly how heaven looks like. And from what i know, Heaven have different levels.
---Chrystie_Chong on 5/29/05|
Heaven is a literal place, sometimes called the New Jerusalem, the city of God, the kingdom of God, the kingdom of heaven, paradise, the holy hill, etc.
---Eloy on 5/28/05|
Christ said Remember" that as long as heaven and earth last,not the least point nor the smallest detail of the law will be done away with (matt 5-18)and in Ps.89-48 What man can live and not see death Can he deliver his life from the power of the grave.Rev 20-13.through my studys I have found that the dead in christ sleep they,do not go to heaven or hell,but have a dreamless sleep,and wait on the return of christ,read Rev seek and you will find.Matt 7-21-Matt 6-33 God bless your search.
---glady5446 on 5/28/05|
Heaven (normal habitation of angels) and hell (gehennah, place of eternal exile/punishment for Satan and his followers) are indeed true, literal places--but they are not places in this physical universe at all.
Remember, what we perceive with our senses is not the sum total of reality.
Note, I did not mention God, because while God is everywhere, He is limited to nowhere. And, of course, peole frequently use "heaven" or "hell" as metaphors.
---Jack on 5/28/05|
Yes, heaven is "literally" a real place. The lyrics of an old gospel song says, "Everybody talking 'bout heaven ain't goin' there." Of course, it's up to "you". I want to encourage "you" to seek the true meaning of heaven as found in the person of Jesus Christ. Read the book of John (New Testament, in the Bible).
---Leon on 5/28/05|
Christians certainly believe in a literal Heaven but if you read the book of Revelation chapter 21 you will see that there will be a new Heaven and new Earth. God's dwelling will be with man in the Holy City Jerusalem on the new Earth. This is a fantastic chapter, just read it for yourself and see what God is preparing for us. Just remember also though, that He is preparing ANOTHER place for those who do not accept His Son.
---Xanthi on 5/28/05|
Linda:What you mean by literal Or figurarive? HEAVEN is the place & condition of perfect supernatural happiness.The happiness consists mainly in the Beatific vision of God & secondly in the knowledge ,love,& enjoyment of creatures.The beatific vision is the direct seeing of the Holy Trinity, no creature standing between the soul & God,It will produce intense happiness such as only God has a right to enjoy but he shares with those who enter heaven & have served him faithfully on earth.ICorinthians2:9
---Emcee on 5/28/05|
Hi, pls, take a concordance and read verses speaking about Heaven.You can find the right answer in the BIBLE only. Take your focus off from what people think about it and believe what the Bible says.God bless you.Liz
---Lizzie on 5/28/05|
There is one thing I know. Heaven is a good place and hell is a bad place to be.Those who will follow Christ genuinely are going to heaven and others, hell. If I were you, no matter how people may describe heaven, I would try to go there and avoid hell.
---Ali on 5/28/05|
Yes, I believe heaven is a literal place. If you look in your concordance for heaven, you can see it is written about allot.
---Ulrika on 5/28/05|
Don't know what other Christians believe is their heaven, but my heaven is everybody else that I come into contact with. Heaven, in my view, is assistance; hell is resistance. Everybody makes their own heaven and in that way it is progressive from figurative to literal.
---gregg on 5/28/05|
Jesus plainly said, "I go to prepare a place for you...." (John14:2-4) To the criminal on the cross beside Him, Jesus said, ".....today you will be with Me in paradise." (Luke 23:43). Read "Life After Death" by Raymond Moody, M.D., re "near-death" experiences. As well, the work of Elizabeth Kubler-Ross verifies many who have seen heaven and returned. Most of these people did NOT want to return to their bodies but God had other plans! It doesn't get any better!!
---Elsie on 5/28/05|