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Roles Of Women In Church

1 Timothy 1&2 I was shocked that towards the end of the Chapter 2 it says that women should never be over men or to teach them does anyone have thoughts on what exactly this is supposed to mean when I look around my church I see at least 80% women who will do the work?

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where in the bible did it say that this scripture exclusively meant for women only with husbands!

Get real the majority of Jumped up women who go against the word are deluded into thinking that the church they serve peaching teaching and acting as ministers, Priests, Bishops, pastors are serving in the world not the spiritual Church of God.

The world belongs to the Prince of darkness Satan that's why they have eyes but cannot see ears but cannot hear!
---Carla on 5/10/10

this is not a direct commandment from God that paul was speaking about, in fact it's the first and only time we ever hear of it

it's all a matter of context ANNE5758 explained it well and it's true
---glen on 5/9/10

Well said, Darlene!

It should also be remembered that many women of all ages have no husband or father. Single mothers usually have to carry all the burdens of the family with little or no help.
---Donna66 on 5/9/10

Bible,God,only gave Headship Authority to a woman's husband,its not all men over all women. That doesn't mean even the husband takes away the infilling of the Holy Ghost away from his wife therefore he may be head but she still has the power of God operating and leading her where ever God decrees and God will work on the husband to agree with his will. Deborah the prophetess and judge of Israel was married and see what God appointed her to do. Where the Bible in 1 Timothy 3:1 "If a man" desire the office of a Bishop-. "If a man" doesn't even mean "man" but means in the Greek Lexicon whoever or whatever. If those correct meanings are used then either male or female could serve.
---Darlene_1 on 5/9/10

It doesn't say women aren't to be over men

hmmm so because it doesn't state this then one must IMPLY women can be over a man?

maybe the question for religious christianity should be WHERE does it STATE women can lead a husband or ANY man?

as for women who are within your church who "will do the work" than I sure hope it is the work of serving and ministering to the church NOT LEADING

no women should be idle - idle women become bored and self absorbed drifting away from God and causing grief in their home
---Rhonda on 5/7/10

It doesn't say women aren't to be over men. Bible actually says is the(singular) man is the head of the(singular) woman. In this case it means wife because only the husband is given by God headship over the wife. That was part of Eve's curse Genesis 3:16 that her desire shall be to her husband and he shall have power or rule over her. 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach,nor to usurp authoriy over the man,but to be in silence again it is singular man and woman. Once again it is to husband and wife the reference to the keep silent verse is Ephesians 5:22 Wives submit to your husbands. What has been taught as Bible is actually the practice begun by the RCC church against women ministering because they weren't ordained priests.
---Darlene_1 on 5/7/10

there seems to more woman willing to work in the church then men now
---vasha4435 on 5/5/10

tis so simple to read scripture yet so hard for us today to follow to the letter. Scripture simply says women are not to talk in the church. To me, that means no preaching, teaching etc also. But they can do these in halls, meetings etc but not in church. Scripture is talking about in church. Sermons are mens territory yet women like to take does not make things right that80-90% of church are women and they can preach no no..just obey God's commands..and things will be right. He can supply preachers should we run short..Just pray and believe believe believer
---star on 5/3/10

The situation is exactly that:
The world has taken influence over the majority of men today. It is far better to sit back and be lead rather than to lead. If a male preacher is not doing his best within the church, there are ample men who should be adressing this in terms of descipleship. Women should not step up to the mark unless there are no men in the church. If they do they should step down in obedience to Gods divine order after training or seeking to train up a suitable male leader to continue the work. However they do not and hence the state of the church today. Women cannot actively lead period( should not) because of the Order God has set.
---Carla on 2/2/10

The reason there are women in what would normally and should be the role of men is...
1. Because men won't rise up and take the role that God has appointed to them.
2.Men have been demoralised in society as being too aggresive and as a result have been feminised. In schools today we are taught to be in touch with our feminine side.
3.The womens Lib. movement...go back into church history before that and you would have never seen this role reversal.
---Glen on 2/1/10

Pastors, in order to please women, to surround themselves with people that won't be a problem to them, disobey the Bible. So there we have Satan using the pastors to bring in women who will be men pleasers. A good strong pastor will have men around him. He won't feel threatened by opposition from men. He won't need his adoring females around him.
---frances008 on 6/5/08

It seems to be men who put women into significant positions:).
---jody on 6/5/08

People we are out of track . mans we lost trust from God . a man is a head of the house.not womens.
---Arthur on 6/5/08

Paul says: and that makes it an instant doctrine
nevertheless paul also said that in Christ there is no man nor woman no slave nor free which one should we now take. all I know is that many mighty servants of God are indeed women. they are used to preach teach evangelise, heal deliver etc. so according to what i see i must conclude that or there is really no male nor female in CHRist or God is not consequent with >His own word. I believe so i can never say that God is not consequent with his own word
---andy on 6/5/08

As a woman, I can honestly say, I HATE it when women are in leadership roles. So if I was a male, I would certainly hate it even more and would not want to go to any church where bumped up women who are usually men-pleasers are put in places of position above godly men. No wonder men don't go to church. Though in the real church, nondenominational, youtube, information, audiosermons, etc, (NEXT)
---frances008 on 6/4/08

you will find men take on a GREAT DEAL of the workload. Women also who are godly, are leading the way, defending the faith, not ruling it over the men, but supporting their witness.

Funny how the world has gone to the devil since the Catholics had Vatican 2.
---frances008 on 6/4/08

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Well, there are women who are claiming they are called, just to prove some point that women can be called. And they are stressing out, because they are not submissive to God in Jesus Christ's "rest for your souls" (in Matthew 11:29). They are unsubject and dominating. I won't say Jesus doesn't call ladies, but you can test by if you are growing in His "rest for your souls", while doing what you are doing (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/4/08

As I see it. If God wants a job done, he can use anyone He wants. This includes women. After all he said he would make the rocks cry out if nobody would give Him praise. And when Mary went to visit the tomb of Jesus an angle told her to go tell the disciples Jesus has risen. Beside at my church there are more women than men, And they are doing more for God than we men are.
---Claude on 6/4/08

Some a y'all void of understanding, Paul was speaking about the women in General should not take Office. None of the women you speak of were taking Authority, they were servants of God Prophesying or other for a specific time and a specific reason. He did not mean women should not literally open their mouth's a donkey spoke... Do Donkeys Speak Today..... LOL
---Carla5754 on 6/4/08

Paul gave the instruction in Timothy because at that time, when it was written, women were not afforded the same educational opportunities as men and therefore would not have the education or knowledge to teach the men. I have zero problems with women as pastors. I've heard some women pastors preach better than some men. Since God gifts everyone for service and since some women are gifted by God to be pastors, then He must not have an issue with it.
---Brian on 6/4/08

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I've asked my preacher about this and it was explained to me that this passage means women should not hold authority positions in the church (pastor, deacon, etc.). Women can be Sunday School teachers, nursery workers, etc., just not part of the "executive staff."
---Heather on 6/4/08

I believe it was William Booth of the Salvation Army who said that his best men were women.!
This scripture seems to fly in the face of other pauline teaching and also the status Jesus afforded women. As I read commentators- there is many approaches and opinions on these verses, I guess I conclude the situational issues contributed to this teaching -which was not meant for universal application.
---jim on 5/9/07

Helen, your earlier view (below) on women preaching is different than your most recent view.

"I don't believe that a woman should be in leadership over men. Man is the head over woman. I have always found it puzzling as to why God would call a wife to preach but not the husband."
---Helen_5378 on 4/7/07
---Perry on 5/2/07

Jana ... "God has just said thru Paul, WOMEN ARE NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH"
Can you please provide us with the exact quotation, and reference?
---alan_of_UK on 5/2/07

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In the first place God never told Paul that women could not talk in church. Not in the context that you are trying to use.
---catherine on 5/2/07

"So you think that God can't call a woman to preach? He only calls men? If you honestly believe that then God is respect of persons. But we know that God doesn't. Paul has even used women to spread the gospel, yeah people tend to forget that part."

Rebecca_D, I agree with you. They forget that Paul had women praying and prophesying in church also.
---Kay on 5/2/07

Rebecca: God has just said thru Paul, WOMEN ARE NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH; does that not come thru clearly for u? Are you against God? Trouble with us today, we rather do what we want instead of what God want. Esther, why be shocked at what God tells us? Again, your directly saying "Oh God, no I prefer this other way" Whom do u obey? God or satan?
---jna on 5/2/07

Everyone has a different calling and a different gift. Preacher and Pastors are called to minister, lead, and teach the ways of the Lord to Gods flock. A sunday school teacher leads, teaches and ministers to students. A pastor has an extra calling be a shephard and provide for the sheep. A sunday school teacher prepares others with the knowledge of Christ. God is sovereign. Who can stop him from calling a woman to usher the adult from the sunday school class to the real world? God may be preparing you.
---Clara on 5/1/07

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I have always felt that that passage refered to women pastor and preachers. I don't believe in them. I have never felt like it is talking about Sunday school teacher because those are boys not men. Every one believes differently though.
---Delia3546 on 5/1/07

Jana; So you think that God can't call a woman to preach? He only calls men? If you honestly believe that then God is respect of persons. But we know that God doesn't. Paul has even used women to spread the gospel, yeah people tend to forget that part.
---Rebecca_D on 8/24/06

I do not agree with women preaching..the bible states that they should not..some say its only Pauls saying..why on earth is it in the bible then..when God says no, when theres shortage for pastors, God is in control, He will make sure there is not a shortage. when are we going to have faith in God in this? is this womens liberation added in God's church?we have women preachers in our church and I still stand by the bible...let God take over completely
---jana on 8/24/06

The scriptures are pretty clear. Remember, scripture is given for us to learn - not twist into the meaning we want.
---mike on 1/25/06

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Roles of Women. Women Must Keep Quiet.

What about Priscilla, wife of Aquilla? He AND she taught Apollos (Acts 18:26). Also, she was co-laborer with her husband AND with Paul (I Cor. 16:19, Rom. 16:3).

Euodia and Syntyche co-labored with Paul IN the Gospel. Phil. 4:2-3

Tryphena and Tryphosa -- laborers in the Lord. Rom. 16: 12

What about sons AND daughters prophesying (shall)? Acts 2:17 quote from Joel 2:28

Philip's daughters prophesied (preached) Acts 2:21.
---Helen on 1/24/06

It blesses my soul to know that Ja-el and Deborah were signs of leadership by the grace of God. Also, as Mary bore our Lord, Sarah in types and shadows bore the promise of God. Philip had four daughters that orophesied and Priscilla assisted Aquilla. It's comforting to know that while the church will not teach it's husband, he allows grace for his handmaids to be used. Sarah was also called the mother of the church {1 Peter 3:6} as an example for us. It's a blessing to carry my Lord in my heart.
---Katrina on 1/24/06

thanks for everyone who gave their inputs
I was doing a lesson on this for our Young Adults class it turn out to be a very interesting discussion in fact when the women in the times of timothy came to know the Lord they did not have education or instruction it was for boys only so it was hard for them understand the words they were being taught if anyone wants to know more plese let me know
---esther on 6/22/05

thanks for everyone who gave their inputs
I was doing a lesson on this for our Young Adults class it turn out to be a very interesting discussion in fact when the women in the times of timothy came to know the Lord they did not have education or instruction it was for boys only so it was hard for them understand the words they were being taught if anyone wants to know more plese let me know
---esther on 6/22/05

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When does a boy become a man? At what age does a man have authority over the woman who, yesterday, had authority over him.
---Paulette on 6/13/05

We must all come to terms with the truth that the word of God has been tampered with for Mass control Purposes.
Satan the devil is behind it and many things were taken out and replaced in the Book we hold today...But if not for the Holy Spirit of God who is come into this world...we would not know the truth...for he reveals all that has been hidden..through Christ. And your daughters and your sons shall have visions and dreams and prophesy. Ask and YOU shall too receive.
---Michelle on 6/12/05

Over the past seven-decades I have witnessed more women in pastor's roles and less men active in the churches. Do we now have the "pettycoat" churches that were predicted? Is there a correlation? As a woman, I found there is nothing more gratifying than undergirding the male clergy. As one blogger noted, however, there have been some incredible female leaders. Bottom line we MUST listen to God's will in any situation, however for me the Bible remains the inerrant Word of God.
---Elsie on 6/9/05

I think that if women were to stop teaching, churches would be terribly short of teachers. I also think that men can benefit from a woman's point of view, just as women can benefit from lessons from a man's point of view.
---Annie on 6/8/05

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1 Timothy 1 and 2 regarding that passage, I am female and an Evangelist,which means that I am a spreader of good news. We are all servants of the Lord, regardless of our gender.
---Dottie on 6/8/05

1Cor 14:34,35 Women are to keep silence in the churches: And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
1Timothy 2:11,12 Let the waman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 3:2,5 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?
---Ulrika on 6/8/05

Within 2:8-11 there're 3 timeless principles and 3 applications for then:
-Pray without anger or quarrelling
-Women dress modestly with good works.
-Not to preach to a man (in church)

For then:-
-Lifting holy hands
-Braided hair etc
-Remain quiet

V13-14 emphasise timeless principle of v11-12.

Women shouldnt teach/preach (that is not their role, just as it is not mens role to give birth,(c.f v15))This isn't to say they cannot pray, or work in the office.
---Ben on 6/8/05

There were Prophets, Deacons, Evangalists who were women and served in leadership roles. How can one question this. Question is can women be Pastors? Cannot find in Bible where it says a woman be a Pastor or served as Pastor. So at least in some roles as Deacons, Prophets, and Evangalists, yes, they are clearly appointed to in Bible.
---Paul on 6/8/05

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Paul was speaking to people in his time, where women were uneducated, and had a tendancy to speak out in the middle of worship and disturb what was going on. This has been discussed so often here- there will never be a definitive answer. Our church ordains women-they teach men, they have 100% of the power that the men have. We've even had 2 women as head of our church world-wide, and God blessed their ministry. I believe God can use whoever He ordains, male OR female (and not just sunday school teachers).
---Ann5758 on 6/8/05

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be silent.
For Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression.
Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love and holiness, with self-control.
1 Timothy 2:12-15

Few woman really want to believe what this says. "Silence," say some men, "is almost impossible for any woman"
---barbara67 on 6/8/05

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