Does God Forget Our Sins
Alexander, I remember you spoke two times to me about the Spirit been the only one to give Truth and that other sites or books are people, you cannot depend on. I questioned what you said and you gave me the reasons for not doing it. You gave me all this talk about how not to learn from others and here you again talk about a site you found, that is legit, founded in 1931, who had a panoramic vision, none corrupt and so forth, and for Anne to go to that site, aren't you contradicting what you believe? Whats up with that advice? Did you just make a mistake when you answered me, and you have changed your mind?
---MarkV. on 1/9/09|
Anne: "Are you of a particular religious faith? Or do you just study the Bible independently?"
Bible study is great, but it alone does not give understanding.
Yet, only the Truth shall make us free from sin and give eternal life, as the Messiah said (John 8:32-36, John 17:3).
Yahweh has to REVEAL His Truth to someone (Romans 14:15), like He always did in the past (Noah, Moses, prophets), and send this person to preach.
In 1931 Yahweh gave a man a panoramic vision and revelation. Please take time to investigate, as I did. This is a non-denominational, proof-based original Bible teaching non-corrupted by traditions. If interested, contact yahshuan at gmaildotcom or see the site address in my previous post.
---Alexander on 1/8/09|
Alexander, I don't know what you wrote has anything to do with anything but it sounds great to me. With the exception of Romans 1:19,20 which has nothing to do with what you said or about love. But Yes, God is by nature love, and when He comes into our lives we have His love because we are in Christ. Before we came to the Lord we didn't know Him or believe in Him. We didn't have His love in our hearts. No one lost has it, for no one lost Has Christ in their lives.
1 Cor. 13 is the chapter of love, and there you will find that even if you could move mountains and not have love, you really are nothing. If you gave to the poor without love it is still nothing. Without faith it is sin.
---MarkV. on 1/7/09|
Alexander~ Thanks for the site information. Are you of a particular religious faith? Or do you just study the Bible independently?
---Anne on 1/7/09|
Anne: Thank you for your encouragement!
When we deal with any question in the Bible, it is important to understand the big picture or purpose.
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (Hebrews 10:9).
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural, and afterward that which is spiritual. (1 Corinthians 15:46).
So, the purpose of the Messiah was to take away natural to establish spiritual.
Many Christians think about sin in natural terms (behavior), whereas the sin is the state of soul without Yahweh's Truth (Psalms 14:1-3).
To understand why Christians think they still sin, please see soundingthetrumpet dotcom.
---Alexander on 1/7/09|
Calhoun, I don't know where you get the idea I don't like talking to Alexander. What happens is he give me his idea's I give him passages. And even explain the passage. He doesn't agree and that end it for that passage or question. No use going further on that question for nothing will be accomplish and there is so much to read an learn. The idea is to move forward and not let one passage someone doesn't agree on become a stumbling block. After all it's all for the glory of God, now isn't it? But thanks for your opinion anyway.
---MarkV. on 1/7/09|
I dont think Mark likes talking to you. Your too confusing for him.
---calhoon on 1/7/09|
MarkV: "They were made righteous by imputation. Not because they were righteous of themselves."
Agree. Savior imputed His righteousness in the souls of believers, so they have His righteousness.
Let's make an example: physical examples reveal spiritual (Romans 1:19,20). Romantic love. There is a change when people fell in love, the difference before and after feels like death and life.
We can't make ourselves fell in love: it comes by grace as a gift. When we are in love, we don't follow the external laws how to please another person (Old covenant): our desire from inside is to please (New Covenant).
The same is with Yahweh: when He puts His Love in us, He makes us a new creature, loving and righteous.
---Alexander on 1/7/09|
Naulon~ What you say is correct...the God of the Bible is not merciless, deterministic, exclusivistic. He is just the opposite,for He looks into the heart of each man and judges fairly and righteously.
He is perfectly fair and just in all His ways.
You're right, God does not 'choose' beforehand, but He 'knows' those who are His beforehand. Maybe you could say He 'chooses' beforehand, because He elects/chooses those who He knows are going to love Him from a good & sincere heart. (Lk.8 Parable)
---Anne on 1/7/09|
Alexander~ What you presented concerning 'sinlessness' made sense according to the Bible. We are to be walking blameless, and in holiness, and righteousness to our dying day, if we truly wish to believe we are saved children of God. Keep shining your light and sharing God's truths in all patience, but with boldness.
---Anne on 1/7/09|
Alexander, you have all kinds of ways to object anything given to you. You say, contrast Roman 5:19-21, where in that passage do you see that people were made sinless? They were made righteous by imputation. Not because they were righteous of themselves.
It seems you like to contrast everything to make your points so there is really nothing I can do for you. If you are given another passage with context you will say no because it contrast to something else. And in none is it speaking about the same top. Thank you anyway for your answers.
---MarkV. on 1/7/09|
Naulon, Calvin is dead. I am speaking to you about Scripture. You opposing the Word of God. If you feel that man has the ability to come to Christ on his own, then can you answer some questions?
1 How can a person who is spiritually dead to the things of God, talk spiritually to God?
2. How can a person dead have ears to hear and eyes to see and a heart to perceive spiritual matters?
3. How can a person believe without true saving faith?
4. How can a person understand what the gospel says without the Holy Spirit?
5. How can a person repent if repentance is granted by God?
Naulon, this are only a few questions. How can you reconcile the Word of God with what you believe?
---MarkV. on 1/7/09|
Alexander~ Thanks for your answer. That makes decent sense to me. Just the thought of saying "I'm sinless" makes me feel all pious and rediculous though. But as you say, God's idea of sinless is following a clean conscience every moment of our lives. (Did I interpret you correctly?) Yes, I know God looks deep into our hearts and minds. I am so thankful He is so amazingly fair and just. Thanks for the insights!
---Anne on 1/6/09|
MarkV: "For now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed...through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:21-23).
You seem to believe that "there is no difference" applies to non-believers and believers: all sin. This is wrong. From Romans 2 and 3 it is clear that Paul is comparing Jews and Gentiles. There is no difference, they all sinned: having the law and not having the law (Rom 3:9).
In Romans 5:19-21 (my previous post), Paul is contrasting non-believers and born-again believers in Christ: the first are dead, in bondage, and sinful, while the last are made alive, free and righteous.
---Alexander on 1/6/09|
If God is a god who chooses beforehand who is saved and who is not before they are created, a god who denies free will, then he is breaking covenant. The only stipulation in the New Covenant is to love one another. Love is "acting in the best interests of the other person." How can determinism be "acting in the best intrest of those determined beforehand for damnation?" That's not love.
Such a god would not be deserving of my respect. He would be a fake and liar.
Fortunately, Jesus isn't a fake. Calvin was.
Why are you so afraid of a God that allows autonomy? Why are you so insecure?
---Naulon on 1/6/09|
The Bible is silent about infants. They've not sinned thus cannot be condemned for it. On the other hand they have never made a choice to follow God or Christ. The Bible is silent about what awaits them. Perhaps so should we. God will be fair one way or the other.
How fair would a god be if he determines which infants go to heaven and which are damned before they are born?
---Naulon on 1/6/09|
Alexander, first I hope you don't mind me answering you. I know others get angry just as Athiest has said. Dialogues go beyond godly.
Second, You said that "All come short of the glory of God" is for unbelievers only. That is not what the context in Romans 3:23 says. Again you take a passage out of context and give it a new name. Just as you gave on the other passage you quoted.
Verse 21, "For now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets. even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
---MarkV. on 1/6/09|
Anne: The definition of "sinless".
Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). Everybody transgressed the Old Law (MarkV is correct), but this Law was abolished by the Messiah (Col 2:14).
The New Law is to Love Yahweh and neighbor. If the Holy Spirit (Love of Yahweh) has become the part of conscience, this person is sinless or don't go against conscience (1 Peter 3:21).
Sure, this person can mistakenly say an improper word, but sin and mistake is not the same. If I intentionally tell a lie (go against conscience), it is sin. If I make an honest mistake, it is not.
Remember, Yahweh is judging by the intents of our heart (1 Samuel 16:7).
For detailed explanation write to yahshuan at gmaildotcom.
---Alexander on 1/5/09|
MarkV: "the Word of God say's, all come short of the glory of God. You have nothing good in you that warrants salvation."
Absolutely agree. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). This is the case BEFORE we are born again by His grace, as, yes, there is nothing good in us.
However, He has the power to make us a new creature (1 Cor 5:17), righteous (or sinless) in Him:
"For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous...
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 5:19-21).
---Alexander on 1/5/09|
Alexander is right and correct. Why must people deny the work of the Cross. We know why Christ came to earth and what HE did. (to take away sin). why dont people believe in the foundation of Christianity? (The Cross) We are dead to sin because HE took sin upon HIMSELF. HE took it away. If your a sinner, you have no life.
---duane on 1/5/09|
Alexander, we are free from the bondage of sin we were in while lost. Could not excape by ourselves. We needed Christ to free us. There is no one sinless in life, when they get glorified bodies at the resurrection, they will be complete. That is why we need Christ, because He never fails. If everyone is sinless who is save, I too want to see who this christ is. Are you sinless?
I already explained to you that if you insist on sinlessness, then your whole concept of Scripture is wrong, because the Word of God say's, all come short of the glory of God. You have nothing good in you that warrants salvation.
---MarkV. on 1/5/09|
Alexander~ Can you please explain to me your definition of 'sinless.' I have never met anyone who is completely 'sinless', so I would like a description of what that type of person is like. Do they ever mistakenly think an improper thought? Do they ever mistakenly say an improper word? Please clarify for me. Thank you.
---Anne on 1/4/09|
We will sin sometime throughout our lives. Even if a sin is forgiven by God, it is NEVER forgotten. God is so powerful that once we get into heaven, God can come up to you and name all your sins from the day you were born to the day of your death just as well as he knows everything else about you.
---Angel11 on 1/4/09|
MarkV: "For we know no one is sinless. That should not be an issue."
This is a huge issue. People who are TRULY born again are sinless. That's what the Savior, Paul and John said. We should believe Scriptures, not commentaries.
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free...
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin...
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye SHALL BE FREE indeed.
"But NOW being made FREE FROM SIN, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22).
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he CANNOT SIN..." (1 John 3:9).
---Alexander on 1/4/09|
Does God forget?
Matt18 states that the king forgave the servant of all and set him free but when that servant didn't forgive his fellow servant the same way, the king put the debt right back onto the first servant. So, he didn't forget it, but he would have if the servant would have also forgiven his fellow man. We have a responsibilty in all this. Mercy will be shown to those who have mercy.
---john on 1/1/09|
MarkV it's obvious you know your Bible, but you yourself got off on the wrong track and forgot to answer the question. Since we have already been forgiven of sin why do we need to be accountable? We need to be accountable not for forgiveness but to repair the relationship between us and God.( to put in simple terms.)
Our relationship with God is just that, a relationship. When we wrong a friend or love one don't we go to them and make up for what we've done, repent in a seance. How much more would we want to make things right with our God, our best friend, hopeful the love of outlives?
---Shelly on 1/1/09|
Alexander, I too believe as you that we can help each other. When we contrive an idea on something that God says on one passage and we cannot reconcile it with one passage that seems to imply something else, we are to use Scripture to interpret Scripture. Because Scripture does not contradict. 1 John 1:8 and 3:9 do not contradict. The subject is sin, and the reason is habit, or practice sin. For we know no one is sinless. That should not be an issue. Although one person on line says he is, but he is so far from the truth. If everyone was sinless, we would not need Christ today anymore, or His word to guide us into all righteousness, through sanctification, no need to confess, for we would be glorified already and we are not.
---MarkV. on 1/1/09|
MarkV. I very much like your attitude that we are here to help each other.
I am sorry I was not clear on what I meant, although I thought I was.
I believe everybody have sinned. The Savior died instead of us for our past sins, thereby saving us. He also died to give us new spiritual birth, thereby making it possible for the born-again believers to live without sin. This is what He said, this is what Paul, Peter and John testified to.
There were people in the congregation who "believed" in Christ, but had not been born again yet (received spiritual understanding).
These people still sinned.
In the letters of the Apostles, it is important to discern which category of the people they are referring to.
---Alexander on 12/30/08|
MarkV's post on 12-27-08 is very very good!!
---mima on 12/28/08
I think so too.
---Trav on 12/30/08|
Alexander, you have quoted many passages and still are not presenting what it is you are trying to say. And you want me to consider the apostles. Are you suggesting we are sinless? Or you suggesting we still sin? Are you suggesting that we are not capable of sinning anymore? Are you saying the Bible contradicts, because of how you interpret two passages?
I don't understand what you are trying to say. You want me to go to the apostles, you are saying there is people in the church who are not saved but know the truth, which I believe it is true. You are also saying some have the Holy Spirit, which is also true, but of everything I still don't know what you are trying to convey.
---MarkV. on 12/30/08|
Alexander, please whatever you believe or think and the hard work you do to understand God, don't listen to Eloy. He is not misinformed, and trying to find the Truth and learn. He is god, the light that Jesus saw on the Cross. And if you are not on his side on everything, to hell you will go.
You don't have to believe anything I answer to you, it is for you to do with it what you feel is right for the glory of God. Be aware of everyone, even me, compare to Scripture. Let the light of God shine on your walk with Christ. I enjoy answering you. We are here to help each other.
---MarkV. on 12/30/08|
MarkV. Please seriously consider the following.
When we read the letters of the Apostles, it is important to understand that there were different groups of people in the congregations the Apostles were writing to at the beginning of the age (like there are in today's world). There were people who had the Holy Spirit, like Paul (or were born of Yahweh), and there were people who have "gladly received the truth" (Matt 13:20) or heard the gospel, but did not have the Holy Spirit or understanding yet (Matt 13:23), or were carnal (1 Cor 3:1-3). 1 John 3:9 is directed to the first group (made sinless), and 1 John 1:8 - to the second (still sinning).
---Alexander on 12/29/08|
Alexander, what's your point? Of course we have not been perfected. That is why we sin. Our bodies have not been glorified. Both soul and body need redemption. But the new life we get is perfect new life. It is Christ that works in our hearts who is perfect and is working on getting us perfect. That is why Paul says in the prior passages v. 3 "for we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so:" Paul has the same problem we all have, we tend to trust in the flesh instead of listening to Christ who is not only perfect but in our hearts.
---MarkV. on 12/29/08|
MarkV. "If I am regenerated and if I'm a new creation, ... that life has to be perfect, right? Because God cannot give me imperfect life."
You may say we are not spiritually perfect, like little child is not as perfect in understanding as an adult. As Paul said, "Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect" (Phil 3:12). However, this child IS PERFECT for the parents. Thus, "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14). "Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect" (1 Cor 2:6). Therefore, WE ARE PERFECT IN HIM and don't sin (1 John 3:9).
We do grow by making mistakes, but mistake and sin is not the same thing.
---Alexander on 12/28/08|
MarkV's post on 12-27-08 is very very good!!
---mima on 12/28/08|
Alexander, concerning 1 John 3:9, Let me put it this way concerning sinlessness. If I am regenerated and if I'm a new creation, and God has fitted me for eternity, and He has planted the life of God in my soul, that life has to be perfect, right? Because God cannot give me imperfect life. He cannot give me imperfect regeneration. He cannot give me imperfect righteousness. So that if I am righteous at all, I am righteous period, and that is true. That's why Romans 7 is the key. Paul say, It is not I that sin, it is sin that is in me. It is not that new creation, it is the sin that is in me. Now what is that sin? It is our humanness. That humanness has not been glorified.
---MarkV. on 12/27/08|
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MarkV: I am glad you have cleared this misunderstanding.
No, I was not suggesting that some people sin more than others. It is irrelevant if people sin a lot or a little. What's relevant is if the people have accepted the truth of the Messiah. If they did, and were truly born again, they ceased from sinning (according to 1 John 3:6-9).
---Alexander on 12/26/08|
NIV "Like Adam, [fn] they have broken the covenant-- they were unfaithful to me there."
Most Bible tranlations use "like Adam" or "as Adam". If that case is the case, then Adam did no ill to mankind, rather mankind did and does itself ill in doing "as Adam". This I have believed even before finding about this particular verse.
---Nana on 12/26/08|
True Dog, ask me one question at a time. One passages so that we can go through it and see what you get and what I get. But please don't throw a lot of them for to answer each one takes very long time.
What is your first Question? I don't mind rebuttals at all, it helps me continue to study on subjects that maybe I don't touch as much as others. They all work together so it is not a problem. If we come to a different conclusion on one, we can move to the other. We will not agree on every little detail, but should reach a close compromise. Otherwise one of us is reading the wrong Bible.
---MarkV. on 12/26/08|
We like to believe what Adam did to mankind but why is it hard to believe what Christ did for mankind. Remember, HE died for all.
God reconciled the world to HIMSELF, through Christ, not counting mens sins against them.
---duane on 12/24/08|
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Alexander, forgive me if my answer was bad. And it was suppose to be a question. Not a statement. I forgot the "or" you saying etc. I wanted you to explain if that is what you were saying.
I take this very seriously Alexander. I don't mind at all going through passages and reading their context. If I didn't I would just throw things out there without explanations.
Concering Paul, in Romans 7. I gave my explanation. In your statement you seem to suggest that some individuals do sin more the others, that only goes towards The Great White Throne of Judgment, when God judges righteously the unsaved.
---MarkV. on 12/24/08|
MarkV, The "Law of Sin and Death": Proof Text: Ez:18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. Romans:6:23 For the wages of sin is death...John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily,verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. II Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption, For of whom a man, is overcome of the same is he brought in bondage. James 1:14,15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death
---TRU-DOG on 12/23/08|
MarkV, If you rebuttel someone, the onus is on you, to prove them wrong. Why do you not answer my questions? If I am wrong prove your case, point by point. You just state your views, and prove nothing.
---TRU-DOG on 12/23/08|
True Dog, in answer to your Ez. the first one you gave is not Eze. 8:14,17. Nothing found on the topic on those passages.
In Ez. 18:19-20, the son that doesn't bear the sins of the father is the one who is righteous and lawful towards God. At this moment the Children of God are in that same position. They have been reconciled to God by their faith in Christ. They are lawful and don't carry the sin of Adam anymore. The lost do carry that sin with them from birth.
---MarkV. on 12/23/08|
MarkV. " concerning some who sin more then others, you are saying some are worse because they have more light of God then others."
I never said that. Please ask if you don't understand what another person meant. This discussion is not a game for me, and I am trying to be very precise with what I am saying.
I hope everybody's motivation in these discussions is either to get better understanding or to share understanding if one is convinced it is the correct one.
---Alexander on 12/22/08|
True Dog, you didn't want to hear my answers. I don't know why you even ask. you already had something that you were going to back with and you put down four posts to make sure I understood what you said.
I told you before you don't have to even hear me. I am ok with that. I am not trying to convince you of anything. You ask and I answered. You didn't like what I gave you and that is ok.
I was not going to miss sleep thinking, "I hope he believes me." The only thing I make sure is that what I give you I have studied and have made every effort to make sure it is truth from Scripture. That is my responsibility. The rest is up to God. Thanks anyway for your answers.
---MarkV. on 12/22/08|
True Dog, I answered you with the best answer I had without writing every passage and giving you the context of each passage. you are speaking like a Jehovah Witness not in their believes but putting many scriptures together to come to one outcome. They try to throw you in many direction to confuse you and give you what they want you to hear. I can take one passage at a time and that is all I can do. You don't have to believe me, you ask me and I gave you my answer. I am ok with whatever you want to believe and do. I am not obligated to convince anyone, but to give the Truth and from there God takes over.
---MarkV. on 12/22/08|
Yes~ The Bible tells us that children are brought into this world in a state of innocence and purity. Jesus spoke of this in Mt.18, and Mt. 19:14.
Children are brought into the world in a state of innocence and purity. It is only after they grow older and transgress the law of Christ that they separate themselves from their Creator (Isa.59:1,2)
---Anne on 12/22/08|
Trudog, you are truly studying the Bible well. Original sin is a doctrine of a false religion, unless you confine it to the meaning of Adam and Eve's own sin which only had limited effects on humanity. It does not affect an individual's right to go to Heaven after living a good life.
---frances008 on 12/22/08|
MarkV, God's justice makes it morally impossible to transfer, Adams sin and guilt, to us. Proof Text: Ez. 8:14,17 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like...he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.Ez.18:2.3.19,20 Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father?...The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
---TRU-DOG on 12/22/08|
MarkV, You make literal, metaphorical words and phrases, like: "Born-again", "Spiritual-death", "Sin", "Old-Man", "New-Man", "Old-Nature", "New-Nature", and "Flesh".etc. This is superstitions of The Manichaeans, Marcions, and the Gnostics, it is reading meaning into Gods Word, other than He intended, it is machinations of a confused mind. To be spiritual born-again, is a real experience, it is a moral begining in Christ, explained, by metaphorical language.
---TRU-DOG on 12/22/08|
MarkV, Your presuppositions of several Bible passages is of a frame of reference that is essentially Platonic/Neo-Platonic world view. You teach the doctrine of orginal sin with this frame of reference. Words and phrases, notably "sin", had to be "retrofitted" by eisogesis to conform to a Greek philosophical template. Your definition of sin and holiness is ontological/metaphysical, and "mystical". Your view of spiritual regeneration is ontological/metaphysical generative, rather than a voluntary moral change, effected by moral conviction, by Gods Holy Spirit.
---TRU-DOG on 12/22/08|
MarkV, Moral character, guilt, and accountability are non-transferable. Proof Text: Deut. 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. II Chron. But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in lthe law of the book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin.
---TRU-DOG on 12/22/08|
True Dog, when a believer sins, he does not die spiritually again and again and again every time he sins. He has been redeemed of sin past present and future under the sinless works of Christ on the Cross when God saved him. What he couldn't do under the law was to keep the law or be saved by it, but Christ was able to keep the law and imputes that righteousness on the new believer.
The lost who has never believed in Christ works, he remains spiritually dead to the things of God, because he is separated from God from birth. He is in need of the atonement which is found under the Covenant of Grace.
Once he enters under Grace he is never to be separated again from God. It is a one time sacrifice.
---MarkV. on 12/22/08|
Jesus is man's best friend. Don't we all love a friend, specially a 'best friend"?
---Nana on 12/22/08|
Alexander, I believe Lee has also explained it to you, and you don't seem to agree. If I could go through the whole chapter of Romans here I would but I cannot. If you want to think he wasn't save yet then I cannot change that.
Concering the passage in John 1:9, the true Light mentioned is Jesus Christ, (captial L) the second light is God's general knowledge given to all man, small "L" for light.
concerning some who sin more then others, you are saying some are worse because they have more light of God then others. They are spiritually dead to the things of God. They died a spiritual dead. The light they have cannot save them. It can only judge them in the end.
---MarkV. on 12/21/08|
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MarkV, What are the four laws in Rom:7? The law in my members, are those innocent natural desires, that are essential in being human, strongly excited, a means of temptation, not personal acts of sin. The law of the mind, is your conscience, the idea of oughtness or rightness, as the idea of pure reason, lets you know morally, to indulge in your natural innate desires, those inward excitements, in a forbidden manner, would be sin. The moral law is the Law of God, to love God with all of your heart and others. The law of sin, is a fixed law, when you sin, you die spiritual, it is a moral death, your sin is imputed. You cannot sin with impunity, your sins are culpable, or a bar between you and God.
---TRU-DOG on 12/20/08|
Not all sins are forgiven, but only the sins that are repented from. When you truly repent from a sin, then you will no longer do that sin, but instead you will do the right instead of the wrong. For grace walks in righteousness, grace does not walk in sin. And when you do not truly repent from a sin, then you will continue in that sin and receive no forgiveness but instead you will receive the right wages that is meet for the sin. Righteousness receives its rewards, and likewise sinuousness receives its rewards. Should anyone choose sin that they may receive forgiveness? God forbid, for who will know that they will be able to repent from their sin, or moreover that the one they offended will grant the forgiveness?
---Eloy on 12/20/08|
MarkV: "Rom. 7:23 follow 21, and this meant that when Paul was speaking he was already saved"
ALL normal "unsaved" people have two laws inside: a law of sin (desire to please self) and the law of God, or conscience (not the Holy Spirit).
Proof? God "lighteth EVERY man that cometh into the world" (John 1:9). This light is conscience. Not many atheists will murder or steal. Abimelech knew adultery was wrong before the Mosaic Law (Gen 20:9). Mosaic Law was given to prove the sinfulness of our nature which would constantly override the conscience. This struggle Paul was describing in Romans 7.
After the conversion, the Holy Spirit moves out the law of sin. That's what is described in Romans 8.
---Alexander on 12/19/08|
Jim, the passages in Rom. 7:23 follow 21, and this meant that when Paul was speaking he was already saved "But I see another law in my members" do you get that> Another law. That means there was one another law in him. verse 21 explains that other law "I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good" The will to do good was the other law in him. and He even says, "For I delight in the law of God" A believers new justified self no longer sides with sin, but joyfully agrees with the law of God against sin. He goes on to say "the law of his members, flesh, warring against the law in the mind" a battle between the flesh and the Spirit within him.
---MarkV. on 12/19/08|
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Sister Anne, when I answered you I didn't come back to you about James 3:1 you put down. Without writing the whole passage lets look at the "Stricter Judgment' The word here refers to a future judgment:
1. For the unbelieving false teacher, at the second coming (Jude 14, 15). and
2. for the believer, when he is rewarded before Christ (1 Cor. 4:3-5). The believer goes to the (Bema) "The judgment seat of Christ" and the unbelievers go to (The Great white throne of judgment).
True believers have already been forgiven because Christ covered them all. (for there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ).
Mic does not know the difference between the two.
---MarkV. on 12/19/08|
To Alexander.. not many will ever understsand Gods forgiveness spiritually. Most are traditionalized. I agree with your assesment of Paul. Roman's 7 is Paul before conversion, last few verses of 7 and Rom. 8 is after Conversion. Much is needed to see how God sees us from the Word. For example in 2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. This is what most hold on to and the so called sea of forgetfullness, but they will not see what God said in Jeremiah about if we turn back to sin...in Jermiah 14:10 where he says he will now remember them AGAIN. space limits
---Jim on 12/19/08|
Calhoon - I go to a church that goes with the Bible completly and totally. If it is not in the Bible, it is a lie. Also, my church is a church that lets the Holy Spirit led ALL the time. If the Holy Spirit is not in control 100% of the time, then we are just glorifing ourselves, not God. These are the two basic componants of my church, however, we also move in the Prophetic and supernatural. My church is basicly a church that goes with God 100% of the time and with man 0% of the time. We believe in repentance of sins and the blood of Christ. Also, we believe in blessing the Jewish people, and worship.
---Leslie on 12/16/08|
What Church do you attend?
---calhoon on 12/16/08|
Yes, Jesus forgets our sins as far as the East is from the West, however, we still are accountable for our sins. Let's say that you committed a murder 5 years ago, and you confessed it and repented (turned away) from it to God, but are never caught by the law. Then one day 5 years later, the law catches you, and you have to go before the judge. Would you tell the judge that you already confessed it before God, and are forgiven of it, so you don't need to go to jail? The judge would sentence you to jail anyway, due to the fact that you did the crime, you do the time. That's how God is. The only thing that God will see, is if that sin is covered with the blood of Jesus (time served) or not (time needing to be served).
---Leslie on 12/15/08|
Your moral history of sinning is charged to your moral account. You are unable to erase or remove your past lifestyle of sin or offences. Only by God and His love, and the Atonement of Christ, can you be forgiven, or pardon, for past moral choices of sin. Your faith is in God and His Holy Word, and the means of salvation. You choose to be saved or lost.
---TRU-DOG on 12/15/08|
we are accountable to repent of sin. accountable to make the effort not to keep on sinning that particular sin. accountable to refrain from any and all that God calls sin.
- once we repent God does not bring up, upbraid or constantly harass us concerning that mistake, failure. once the blood of Jesus cleanses us, that sin is erased.
---opalgal on 12/15/08|
Instead of saying God forgives & forgets it would be a more accurate translation to say God "forgives and will not press. As in a court of law where charges are not pressed against a defendant.
---AG on 12/13/08|
Sister Anne, this passage came to me this morning. Here is the inablitiy of someone lost. Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees. Jesus knew why they were not able to understand Him, "Jesus said to them, if God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God, Nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. Why do you not understand My speech? because you are not able to listen to My Word.' You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do." The Pharisees as well as all those lost are not able to hear and understand the gospel to believe in Christ. Who is? v. 47 He who is of God hears God's words, therefore you do not hear because you are not of God"
---MarkV. on 12/13/08|
Jer 31:34 .... I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
---jerry6593 on 12/13/08|
Mark V. I found one verse about Christians, (but specifically talking about teachers) getting stricter judmgment in James 3:1 "Let not many of you become teachers, knowing that they shall receive stricter judgment."
---Anne on 12/12/08|
Does God forget anything? No..All moral actions are events that God knows. God knows the past, present and the future of all moral action. The past, present and the future only has meaning to finite existances,to moral beings. What man does is remembered by God, however, God can forgive and not charge you with your past, He does not remember them as a charge any more.
---TRU-DOG on 12/12/08|
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It can be confusing to read and understand Paul who was saying he was a slave to sin (Romans 7:23) and free from sin (Romans 8:2).
Likewise, how do we understand John who wrote that apparently the believers sin (I John 1:9), but a born again person doesn't sin (1 John 3:6,9)?
Correct understanding of sin is critically important to understand what Our Savior died for: to forgive our past sins, to make us sinless, or both. You will find an excellent explanation of these and other questions if you search on "tabernacle pattern", open "True Gospel" (about 5th entry) and then "sin". I also will be happy to send the article if you write to yahshuan at gmaildotcom.
---Alexander on 12/12/08|
Mic, since you are in the same mind or accord with Frances, maybe you as a scholar of the RCC can provide the passages which say that? You answered for a reason but gave no proof. Just saying something does not make it fact.
---MarkV. on 12/12/08|
Luke 12:48: "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
Numbers 15:16: "One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you."
>>> Numbers 15:29_31 <<<
---Nana on 12/11/08|