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Fornicate And Still Be A Christian

How can a girl living with a man and is not married to him be saved (born again) when fornicators will not inherit the Kingdom of God? She is a fornicator. Must she repent by leaving him or marry him, in order to become right with God?

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 ---Arnold on 7/4/05
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Arnold, do your own sins mean that YOU are not a Christian?

Then why do the sins of another person negate that person's faith?

Look to yourself.
---Cluny on 3/29/11

The bible says "there is no one good no not one". Christ died and was resurrected because we are not good and fall into error. If this woman is a believer she will be convicted by the Holy Spirit that she is doing wrong.
---Pamela on 3/29/11

PSALMS 119 - 1 HORROR hath taken hold upon me because of the wicked that forsaken the law.
PROVERBS 4:2 FOR I give good doctrice Forsake ye NOT MY LAW.
---RICHARD on 7/20/10

---Robyn on 7/20/10, perhaps you ask the impossible!!!
---mima on 7/20/10

Cluny I don't live by the Law. You should not either. You need a good teacher and pastor. And please stop blogging lies to others. You are causing the unsaved to be lost. You need to be taught yourself! The bible clearly tells us: the just shall live by faith. Read your bible! You need to read I John for starters. All of the chapters. From there read Romans(road) Several times until you understand it.
---Robyn on 7/20/10

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Zephanian 2:3 Seek ye the LORD all ye meek of the earth,which have wrought his judgment, seek righteousness, seek meekness it MAY BE ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. ( Notice the word MAY BE being save, Becoming save is not guarantee it's the hope of.)
---Richard on 7/18/10

Robyn, the Bible says that to offend in one point of the Law is to be guilty of all of it.

Therefore, since you KNOW you have stolen napkins from your employer by your own admission, are you saying that what this other woman may NOT have actually done is more serious?
---Cluny on 7/16/10

Why are you concerned about this lady living with a man,Arnold? God has already told us to leave the judging to Him. We should look at our own faults and shortcomings,first. We cannot change what this girl is doing. If she is your sister, mom may try to share the truth of this matter with her. That's about all you can do. Once you share the truth with her, the burden is off of you.The blood is no longer on your hands.
---Robyn on 7/16/10

Arnold, you have only three ways of knowing she is sexually involved with this man:

1. She or he told you--and even then, this might not be the truth.

2. You followed her into their shared bedroom.

3. You peeped in the window.

If it's 2 or 3, it says more about you than about her.

Why do someone else's sins--even percieved sins--mean a person is not saved and born again, when what you KNOW to be your own sins have no such effect?
---Cluny on 7/15/10

She certainly must, do something and ask God to forgive her. Ha, Ha. Thank You, Jesus.
---catherine on 7/12/10

Gal.5 v 19, if you don't repent & leave alone it will put you in the lake if you keep on doing such & it's your choice.
---Lawrence on 7/12/10

Fornicate,and follow the crowd.Its better to marry than to have a choice.
But walking down the wrong road can end you up in a dark place, and between a rock and
a hard place by not doing the right thing.
---Jack_8773 on 1/2/08

I like this blog.

Oh, what a difference a few years make.
My alarm system is on high alert. I can see clearly now, the "fog" is gone. I can see all monikers in my way. Gone are the dark blogs that had me bound, it's going to be a bright, bright, Son shiny day.
---Cindy on 1/2/08

Now 30 months since the question was asked, and the blog has been resurrected for the second time!
---alan_of_UK on 12/30/07

What is your relationship with this girl? Are you asking because you care about her, because she is a relative? Or, are you asking because you are minding someone else's business? Why are you not concerned about the spiritual health of the man she is living with?
---Madison on 12/29/07

Yes, repent, and if possible marry him. If he is a christian he will agree. Withold from fornication. Look at it this way, if you're not good enough to share his last name, then you shouldn't share his bed. Bless You!
---rebecca on 3/19/07

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Are you certain sex is part of her living with this man? (Even if it isn't, a Christian still has to abide by 1 Thessalonians 5:22)

She may be ignorant of how God views this or what the Scriptures state about thisIt would be to your advantage, and hers, to approach her about this. BUT, with the idea that she might be coming to you with something next - so leave any judgemental attitude out of this. (Matthew 7:2-4)
To answer your question: "Yes", she can be saved.
---WIVV on 9/18/05

We are not just to abstain from evil itself, but "abstain from all appearance of evil." (I Thessalonians 5:22).

However, it is possible that the two are just roommates and not intimate. She could just be ignorant of this verse.
---D.R. on 8/9/05

Don't be judgemental. Do you know for a fact that they are intimate? No one really knows with certainty what goes on in another man's home. It sounds ridiculous I know but it is possible to be living under the same roof and abstain while you wait for God to lead and the situation to resolve itself.
---Linda on 8/9/05

Arnold you asked a simple streightforward question of which you did not get a streightforward reply.
If any man or woman in Christ is in a relationship with a member of the oppersite sex living together as if they are legaly married but are not, IF both are christians they must repent and marry if its Gods will. Otherwise they must seperate.
---susanna on 8/1/05

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ERNST-I think you got it wrong, having your own way and making your own decision does not disqualify one from being Christian, we all make decisions without consulting the spirit, thats carnal nature. As for these two, they are in sin and need help, Arnold, try counselling them if they are your friends.
---runya9977 on 7/29/05

Dear Arnold,
We have to be careful when judging others. Anyhow your question is right. What you describes, is not the way of God. When you are a Christian, you love Jesus and you know Jesus loves you. A Christian is a follower of Jesus and is doing the will of God in obedience. Everyone who is going his own way and takes his own decisions, cannot NOT be a Christian. Many go their own way and than ask God's blessing over that way. Everyone doing like that, never did understand the Word of God.
---Ernst9433 on 7/28/05

Jer.17:9-10; I Cor.6:9-12.

"there is a way that 'seems' right..but the end thereof are the ways of death...shun all appearance of evil...let not your good(?) be evil spoken of....flee fornication".

If anyone can be unaccountable for "shacking" etc, there would be no need for "A Great White Throne Judgement Of Christ", everyone bar none would go to heaven! Rom.1:22, II Cor.5:10, Rev.22:1-20.

---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/28/05

I Cor.6:9-12.

"there is a way that 'seems' right..but the end thereof are the ways of death...shun all appearance of evil...let not your good(?) be evil spoken of....flee fornication".

If anyone can be unaccountable for "shacking" etc, there would be no need for "A Great White Throne Judgement Of Christ", everyone bar none would go to heaven! Rom.1:22, II Cor.5:10, Rev.22:1-20.

---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/28/05

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Israel was set free from bondage, "baptized" in the Red Sea, and then heard the holy, just, and good law from the fiery mount. They then committed adultery in the wilderness. One may have been born again, yet turn to sin, and unless repented of, will be lost--Ezekiel 18:24 & 33:18. Thus we may be lost "sons or daughters"--just as lost as if we were never born of the Spirit and remained aliens and strangers.
---Wayne on 7/16/05

Christians sin all the time. Haven't you heard?

I'll ask a question here to you:

If what you KNOW to be your own sins does not mean you're not a Christian, why should someone else's sins--or even what you just THINK are someone else's sins--mean this person is not a Christian?

As to how this persom must become right with God, let GOD speak to that person. I've not seen your birth certificate, but I'm willing to bet it doesn't give your name as Arnold H. Spirit.
---Jack on 7/14/05

if they are seeking God's will, they will know what God wants done. what is a marriage to God--nowhere does it say you have to have an official license as we deem--says man shall leave his mother & mother& cleave unto his wife--No mention of an official license--and the two shall become one flesh-Young lady should not be labeled as forn. because who is to say that in God's eyes, she isn't his wife, esp if she is forsaking all others and following what bible says concerning role of a wife---
---jd on 7/13/05

Nicky Cruz gives his unsolicited testimony on this subject in "Run Baby Run", or "The Cross And The Switchblade" [D. Wilkerson]. He and his girlfriend sincerely studied the bible, etc, sometimes naked until he was convicted by God, knocked on a wise pastor's door one morning, asking him why he was starting to feel unclean. Both books are good reading! Isa.58:1; James 1:5-6. God Bless and Maranatha!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/12/05

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Hey Randy ... those definitions seem wrong to me.
"Adultery" is surely extra marital sex, where one or other or both are married to someone else.
"Fornication" is any sex outside marriage ... so between two singles, but it would alos include adultery.
I do do see non-procreational sex (i.e. where birth control is used) to be fornication.
Is not all sex between married persons acceptable, except sodomy?
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/11/05

Arent they adulterers not fornicators? Since they are not married they are committing adultery. If they were married and having non-procreational sex that would make them fornicators. Just wanted clarification. Sounds a little like some are blaming the woman. Like that conservative Carolina congressman that wanted to ban unmarried mothers from teaching school, but did not mention unmarried fathers.
---randy on 7/11/05

Rebecca: You posted to me "You need to open your bounds of compassion." I was thinking the same thing for Arnold.
---Ellie on 7/7/05

Ellie; maybe this man here was confused with so many people filling his head of "their thoughts", he was, maybe still is confused. I feel like he is a conceren friend, who needed advice, he asked in a question at the end. We need to make these issues our businees as christians, hell sure isn't getting any smaller. You need to open your bounds of compassion.
---Rebecca_D on 7/6/05

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Alan: I saw his question put in much the same was as the religious leaders who brought the woman caught in adulter to Jesus to stone her. His wording was less than delicate. I prefer we deal with other people's sin in the way that Jesus suggested to the religious ones. Again, I did not see him asking for any advice for himself.
---Ellie on 7/6/05

Ellie ... was he critical & judgmental? I did not see that. He stated facts and Christian doctrine. And it seemed to me that he wanted to know how she could put herself right with God (if indeed that was necessary) so that he could help her do that.
It is strange how we all have different perceptions of what people are saying.
I myself try not to be judgmental, although sometimes I find that difficult.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/6/05

Alan: I did not get that impression that he was asking for advice. The wording of his original post was critical and judgemental and didn't ask for advice at all. It asked how she could be a Christian and do those things, and how she should get right with God. He didn't ask what he should do at all.
---Ellie on 7/5/05

Ellie ... He asked for advice for himself so that he should know what to say (i.e. what advice to give) to the girl
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/05

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Galatians 5:17-21:Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality(desire for sensual pleasures I have forewarned you that those who practice such things shall NOT inherit the kingdom of God
---pam_b on 7/5/05

Yes Madison, we did,and there, as well, he withdrew from the debate & said he would not return to the thread. Funny guy!
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/05

cont: You are more than welcome to come ask for advice for yourself. Arnold did not ask for that. He asked for the girl.
---Ellie on 7/5/05

Alan: Arnold was asking what SHE should do. That is not asking what HE should do. If the girl wants to know what SHE should do, then I will advise her, in private. He didn't ask for advice for himself but for her. I told him what he should do. Lovingly confront her with the truth of scriptures.
---Ellie on 7/5/05

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Ellie ... Arnold wa saking for our advice! Do you never ask for advice?
We don't know who the girl is, nor where she lives. so no confidences are broken.
If my brother had a spiritual problem would you say I should not come here for advice? We do not all know all the answers ourselves
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/05

Alan: Didn't we have this discussion with Eloy before? I still sin, you still sin, he obviously doesn't. Someday, the Lord will take his blinders off of him.
---Madison on 7/5/05

cont:I know plenty of people who live together and I don't come here and talk about it. It's not our business. I deal with my friends privately. I could list all the sinners I know and fill this blog with story after story. I prefer to just love them to Jesus.
---Ellie on 7/5/05

Arnold: The saints will judge the world at the judgment, not now.

You should not bring people's business here. Bring your own problems here. Talk to the girl and ask if she is indeed having sex outside of marriage. Show her the scriptures and let the Holy Spirit convict her. Don't tell us about her sin.
---Ellie on 7/5/05

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Eloy ... if you are right, I am the one who should fear you ... and yet it is you who withdraws from the debate.
Believe me I have no intention to be offensive towards you ... I am just asking yuo to justify you view that you no longer sin.
I understood that only Christ has EVER been sinless.
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/5/05

Thanks to all for the comments you gave.I appreciate them. It seems as though some want to overlook sin and some think we should live righteously. God hates sin. "The wages of sin is DEATH, everlasting punishment in the lake of fire. Anyone, whether male or female, who lives in sin without repentance and turning to God is already judged by the Word of God. The Bible states that the saints will judge the world.
---Arnold on 7/5/05

Alan, the verse you quote is talking about sinners, not the righteous. "But he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled." I Corinthians 2:15; II Corinthians 10:6. Alan, i am complete and sanctified in Christ, my judgment is true, and i say, You are very offensive towards me...i will not return to this thread.
---Eloy on 7/5/05

This is an example of my post about other people's problems. Arnold needs to concern himself with himself and not post other people's sin here.

Follow what scriptures say about dealing with a believer in sin. Because she is a sister in the Lord, you would do best to take another sister in the Lord to meet with her and tell her what you think she is doing. Then, lovingly, without judgement, tell her what scriptures say. Let the Holy Spirit do His job, and stop telling people how to live.
---Ellie on 7/4/05

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"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us"
None of us, not even Eloy, has the right to cast a stone at this girl.
Is her sin of living with this man any greater than that of a man living with a woman whom he does not love, and whom he therefore betrays every time he "makes love" to her?
And yes ... do you know that she has sex with the man, If she does not she is not a fornicator
---Alan8869_of_UK on 7/4/05

How do you know she is a Christian? Many call themselves Christians but the fruit stinks. The bible teaches us to question our own salvation to see if we be in the way. You can't pick peaches off of an apple tree. What does the fruits tell you.

---Rev_Herb on 7/4/05

Greetings, As Christians we are told to be concerned about one another, in matters of open sin. See Paul to the Corinthians in re the man who was with his father's wife. If a person claims to be a Christian, and is openly living in clear sin, I believe the Bible says we need to humbly & lovingly talk with them, attempting to return them to God's graces. Of course, we are to do so humbly and lovingly. If we love, we will rebuke.thoma6793
---Tom on 7/4/05

If this girl is not yet saved, then lead her to the Lord.Let her know that the Bible warns us of living in fornication and that she should consider changing her living situation. I wouldn't be too hard on her because I feel that God can convict her of her wrong doing. Just be an example to her!
---Rhonda on 7/4/05

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yes, it is impossible to be saved and be a sinner too. "If we say that we have fellowship with the Lord, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth." I John 1:6. God, the Lord Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the Holy Bible, and every single saint commands, "Sin not". Paul the Apostle says it well, "Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak to your shame." I Corinthians 15:34.
---Eloy on 7/4/05

A quick something to think about:

If sins are under the blood and forgiven how then could this person be a fornicator?

Granted there are penalties for sin (devine+ church discipline, loss of a degree of heavenly reward and a guilty conscience separating her from her awareness of God) but Jesus never disowns one of his own for sins committed.

If that were true we'd all be hellbound with gasoline shorts.

God Bless all
---Pharisee on 7/4/05

Hello Arnold,
Do you know for certain that this lady is
Have you prayed for God to help her if she is?
Do you think that her sin of fornicating is different than your sin of judging her for it?
I too know a woman who is doing this,I will
continue to love her unconditionally and pray for Psalm 46:10,God bless.
---RUSSELL on 7/4/05

In her eyes she thinks she is alright with God. She must leave this man or get married, and ask God to forgive her. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Meaning she can't eat at the devils table and God's too. She is in the wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 7/4/05

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