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When Does The Rapture Happen

The Rapture: When does it happen? Before, during or after the Great Tribulation?

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No where in scripture is 1Thess 4:17 "to meet the Lord in the air "prophesied.

In Matthew24 you see JESUS coming and meeting in the air. In Thess. we meet him in the air. HIs angels are sent to gather us. No where is it ever said to be invisible or so sudden no one shall see it.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The antichrist comes before the rapture.
---Samuel on 5/26/11

No where in scripture is 1Thess 4:17 "to meet the Lord in the air:"prophesied.
---michael_e on 5/26/11

Pretrib has more then one resurrection from the dead of the righteous.

Post trib says the resurrection of the righteous is only mentioned once and it is connected to the second coming.

No where is two resurrections of the rightous mentioned. During the Tribulation we still do not know when JESUS will come. But we need to be ready today.
---Samuel on 5/25/11

Post trib says Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say that the Church will be raptured before the tribulation.

Pre trib says "Nowhere in the Bible does it directly say the Church will go through the tribulation."

Jesus did say, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh" (Matt 24:44). The only time frame I can think of when believers would not be expecting Jesus to return would have to be before the tribulation.

Jesus is risen,not on the Cross.
---michael_e on 5/25/11

1 Thess talks about the dead being awakened. Which Matthew 25 calls the Second Coming. 1 thess 5:4 says it brings destruction. Again this matches Matthew 24 and then it is clarified in Matt. 25.

Revelation says every eye shall see him.

The raptrue theorists speakd of the rapture being so quick no one see JESUS except a few. Which is against what the other passages say.

There is no description in the Bible of a quick snatching away of the church. So the rapture or Second Coming happens after the Great Tribulation. The wrath will fall all around the Christians but not touch them.
---Samuel on 5/25/11

2Thessalonian 2:2-10 is not talking about the church being taken out of the way, but what is holding back the return of Christ which is the subject of the passage.

here is a better way to translate it to fit the context.

And now you know what is delaying the day of the Lord, so that He might be revealed in His time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. He who delays the day of the Lord does so only now, until he arrives from our midst, and then he will be revealed for who he is - "the Lawless One" - whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth, and destroy by the splendor of His coming.

I hope you will examine the whole of the verses in this chapter.
---willa5568 on 5/25/11

Nowhere in the Bible, can you find the word "rapture"

With 1 Thes 4:16-18 giving such a clear description of the rapture, some question the validity of the rapture, simply because the word "rapture" doesn't appear in the Bible.

This logic fails because there are a number of words that don't appear in the Bible, including the word "Bible." Because God's Word was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, one could truthfully say that no English words are in the Bible.
---michael_e on 5/25/11

John, you have never, or even tried to, answer any of my questions posed to you. All you ever do is copy and paste something that someone else wrote, as in your "Case Closed" statement. You can't even write original thoughts.
Everything you posted points to the 2nd coming and does not refute a Rapture. I have never said the Rapture is secret. You say that. There is enough information so that it can not be a secret.
Then, the Two Witnesses are Raptured in the middle of the Tribulation. How do you explain that example away?
You want me to graduate while you are in pre-kindergarten. Next chance you get grow up in your mind and study the Bible for yourself.
---Elder on 5/25/11


It was started (19th century) by a Witch named Margaret McDonald(Google it)passed to John Darby then to John Scoffield who brought it to America.

TRIBULATION IS FOR BELIEVERS! WRATH IS FOR THE WICKED! All believers have gone through tribulation. Why would G-d give "YOU" a pass??? It comes from the word Tribul. A sled use to seperate the Wheat from the Chaff. A testing of faith.


MATT 24:29-31.."AFTER the tribulation"
JOHN 17:15 "Do NOT take them out of the world..
JOHN 6:39-40,44,54 "On the LAST day"
JOHN 11:24 "on the LAST day"
JOHN 12:48 "on the LAST day"
DAN 12:1-3

---John on 5/24/11

No elder it is not your secret "Rapture" I was reffering to, but the 2nd coming of Christ.

I would think by now I have taught you something.

But you're stilling hanging on to the silly mythical heresies of Pre Trib. That inspite of ALLLL the facts against it I have given you.

I have also answered each and every one of your questions for over a year now.

---John on 5/24/11

It'll be on a Tuesday in the late afternoon.

If not, then another time on a day during the week, but most likely not at all.
---atheist on 5/24/11

2Thessalonians1:This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering- since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, AND TO GRANT RELIEF TO YOU WHO ARE AFFLICTED AS WELL AS TO US, WHEN THE LORD JESUS IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction...when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because ...

at the second coming!
---willa5568 on 5/24/11

another thing about the rapture. there is no such teaching before the mid to late 1800's, which I think someone mentioned in another blog. If someone finds something before the 1800's teaching this doctrine then I might look at it differently.
---willa5568 on 5/24/11

"Jesus told us very cleary in Matt 24.
John why don't you give the entire Scripture reference. First you say there is no rapture now you pervert the Scripture to try to prove it occurs after the Tribulation.
Jesus was speaking of His 2nd Coming in Matt 24:29-51.
Your misguided statements verge on a liar issuing falsehoods. You don't want to do that do you? That is not your purpose is it?
---Elder on 5/24/11

Jesus told us very cleary in Matt 24.
---John on 5/23/11

So where is that MOron that said the rapture was going to happen today. Everyone is still here. You know when Man speaks about heavenly things he does not know what he is talking about, because he is just a Man. Two legged weak flesh, no clue, carnival barker that preaches something that will not come true. And followers believe and get sucked into this. Again, Man knows not the hour or the date and time that he will be called upon .. Read that Quote and remember it well... All you Rapture Fans - Back to the drawing board and come back in another 20 years
---So_No_Rapture_- on 5/21/11

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The rapture happens after the tripulation. I Cor 15:51-52 Behold I show you a myster we shall not all sleep but we shall al be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump for the trumptet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed. This verse talks about #1 the last trump #2 the ressurection #3 the raputre (we shall be changed) so this is saying that the rapture will happen after the trib beacuse of the refernce to the last trump
---nothing_profane on 10/26/07

Midway during the tribulation. Corresponding with chapter 4 of Revelation were John is told" to come up hither"this coming up I believe is the rapture of the church. Not the RCC church, not the Baptist Church, not the United Methodist church. No! no! no! But the called out one, the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. Church
---Mima on 3/15/07

After the great Tribulation
---Peter on 3/15/07

Even Christ does not know when He will return. Christians have put together charts, made "guesses", looked for "signs", etc. But, we still don't know the answer. The same is true concering the Great Tribulation. You have three views of the Great Tribulation, the pretrib, medtrib and post trib - all three have thologians saying their view is the correct one. Who knows? Matthew 24:36-42
---Ray on 8/11/05

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Jesus said that when He returned it would be as the days of Noah. Just before the flood Enoch was taken bodily into Heaven (representing the Church). Noah and his family survived the flood (representing Israel). He also said it would be as the days of Lot. The angel told Lot to flee from the city because God couldn't destroy it until they were gone.
---Rick on 7/25/05

ruben, i equated how Noah was "caught up" or raptured off the earth, yes it was upon water, while God destroyed the entire world. When God raptures us it won't be from a flood of water, but he is rapturing us from a devouring fire which will consume the world.
---Eloy on 7/24/05

Great Bob!
---Elder on 7/23/05

Broken Seals loosing many things;
Seal 1) Anti-Christ revealed;
Seal 2) A red horse representing war follows;
Seal 3) A black horse representing famines follow war;
Seal 4) A pale horse representing death [and hell] follows war;
Seal 5) Impatient martyred Tribulation Saints;
Seal 6) Anarchy, 144,000 sealed, John sees a great multitude of "Tribulation Saints"; Seal 7) Silence or awe in Heaven for about 1/2 hr at things to come.
Read on for yourself. Maranatha.
---bob6749 on 7/22/05

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Revelation Judgement Outline

The first of a series of Judgments fall on this earth after the Church is removed. Here is a brief outline of those events.

The Church is gone in between ch 3:22 and ch 4:1.
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 7/22/05

Cond #2-->
1st Seal 6:1-2 Cold War.
2nd Seal 6:3-4 Hot War.
3rd Seal 6:5-6 Worldwide Famine.
4th Seal 6:7-8 Wide spread death,
starvation, maybe rats run
5th Seal The Martyred cry out for Justice.
6th Seal 6:12-17 Earths Greatest
Earthquake, Cosmic disturbance
and PRAYER Meeting.
A break in the action 8:1-17.
7th Seal 8:1-2 Releases the Trumpet
Cond #3--->
---Elder on 7/22/05

Cond #3--->
1st 8:7 1/3rd of ALL vegetation is
2nd 8:8-9 1/3rd of Ocean life & Ships
3rd 8:10-11 1/3rd of fresh water is
4th 8:12 1/3rd of the Sun, Moon and
Stars darkened.
5th 9:1-12 1st Demon invasion.
6th 9:13-21 2nd Demon invasion.
Break in the action ch 10:1-11:14.
7th 11:15-19 The KING is COMING!
Cond #4---->
---Elder on 7/22/05

COND #4---->
The Vials
1st 16:1-2 Grievous Sores
2nd 16:3 Everything is the Sea dies.
3rd 16:4-7 Rivers/waters become blood.
4th 16:8-9 Blistering Heat.
5th 16:10-11 Darkness
6th 16:12-16 Earth prepares for War,
Devils work Miracles and
Armageddon gathers.
7th 16:17-21 Great Earthquake & Hail.
---Elder on 7/22/05

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In order to understand the timing of the rapture it is important to understand Dan. 9:24-27. Dan. 9:24 gives the scope of the prophecy, 490 years for Israel. 9:25 explains the first 483 years. 9:27 explains the final seven years. 9:26 explains events that occur after the 69th week but before the 70th week. The Church age occurs in this gap between the 69th and 70th week. The 70th week (tribulation) cannot begin until the Church is gone.
---Rick on 7/22/05

The Revelation is a very plain book and open for all to see and learn. The problem is there is so much going on so fast and coming at us so quick because we are so close we miss the order of things.
John is seeing things he had never experienced before. He is trying to explain what they are by things he knows about.
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 7/22/05

Cond #2-->
Have you ever seen an antique item and didn't know the use of it and tried to figure its purpose out?
It is like someone throwing a handful of marbles at you and you telling in what order they came at you.
You would have to step back and slow the action down to get the order right.
If we do this with the Revelation it begins to make real order and sense.
---Elder on 7/22/05

Humm, Eloy, that sounds just like what I posted in the Revelation outline.
If what we both say is true, and it is, how is it that some think the Rapture and Second Coming are the same?
---Elder on 7/22/05

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Eloy-(Elder, we saints of the Lord are raptured up from off this wicked earth, just as Noah went up in the Ark.) Noah and his family were left in Earth, they did not go up at all! When Jesus said just like the days of Noah, how can that be a RAPTURE?
---ruben on 7/22/05

I believe that Rapture will take place before Tribulation. satan has no power as long as we are here praying against him. after Rapture those left behind will remember what we have said about Jesus and they will hopefully follow then. I have "in case of Rapture" kits. all my none believing friends know about them. It is one more way to help spread the word, even when I am gone.
---Rhonda on 7/22/05

Elder, we saints of the Lord are raptured up from off this wicked earth, just as Noah went up in the Ark. Next, we live and reign with Christ a thousand years. After the thousand years Satan is loosed for a short time to gather to battle, they surround the camp of the saints and Jerusalem, and fire from God from heaven devours them. And the devil is thrown into the lake of fire. Then the 2nd resurrection where the dead are raised for the Great White Throne Judgement. Please read Revelation 20.
---Eloy on 7/22/05

song we sing in church says, people get ready, jesus is coming to take from the world his own. . . jesus is returning for his bride. story of the 10 virgins--5 foolish, 5 wise--they were ready for him, others were not. it has already been said--BE READY--for certain none of us know the time/place/date--only the Father--best to be ready when our time on earth is over--
---jd on 7/21/05

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Eloy, If these are the same what is the next event?
Why call us up into clouds?
When is the Bema Judgement?
What you are unwilling to accept is that at the Rapture Jesus comes in the clouds never setting foot on the earth taking only and all Christians off this earth.
We are then taken to Heaven and stand before the Beama Judgement.
Then after appox 7 years He comes to earth the Second time and sets up His 1000 year reign.
If you didn't have such a problem with me you would see this.
---Elder on 7/21/05

Elder, You plainly miscontrued what i wrote. i did not write "that the earth will be inhabited with unholy men forever after the Rapture." You wrote that i had written this, but i did not. i am just correcting the error, not fighting. And yes, i believe that when Jesus returns with the saints in the clouds, and Michael sounds the trump, that this is the Rapture, and that is also Jesus' Second Coming. But you are free to believe however you desire.
---Eloy on 7/21/05

Eloy on 7/18 you said the Rapture and the Second Coming were the same thing.
Then again you said, "Only those in sin should be concerned about being left behind on earth without the Holy Spirit. When all of us true Christians are raptured, then all that will be left on earth are the liars, thieves, murderers, rapers, anti-God and anti-Christ etc."
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 7/20/05

Cond #2-->
On 7/19 I asked you what you said. I left out the "?" mark so here are two to make up for that (??).
You see at the Second Coming there will be Christians on this earth.
They will come out of the Tribulation that starts at the Rapture.
Cond #3--->
---Elder on 7/20/05

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Cond #3--->
Try to learn with me and not fight so much.
After the Rapture all Christians will be taken. During the Tribulation people will be getting Saved and they shall see Christ return at His Second Coming.
The first coming at Bethlehem the Second after the Tribulation, then the 1000 years, Satan revolts the last time and then the tree of life.
---Elder on 7/20/05

Elder, i would appreciate it if you did not change the words that i say. i did not say "that the earth will be inhabited with unholy men forever after the Rapture." Where did you get that from!? Let me reiterate, i said when God raptures the true Christians up from off the earth, "then all that will be left behind are the liars, thieves, murderers, rapers, anti-God and anti-Christ etc. No more Holy Spirit to restrain the evil anymore, what a horrible place earth will be then."
---Eloy on 7/20/05

Elder: Excellent keyboarding, diction, layout, etc. Guess you were saying the eyes of those "Left Behind" will see Jesus' second physical return to earth after God's saints are taken 'up' with Joshua, same name meaning as Jesus. [Moses, a type of Christ died], Joshua Took "The People", UP into The Promised Land. Me? Maybe a John The Baptist type materially & educationally. You appear to educationally like Rabbi Shaul Of Tarsus before his conversion! I Cor.3:4-23. Maranatha.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 7/19/05

Theologians have been dealing with this question for centuries - and have yet to come up with an agreement on the rapture. (Which is a word not in the Bible.) Romans 13:11 gives the best advice - just be ready!
---Ray on 7/19/05

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TY Elder! Its my belief that the lukewarm Christians, or ones who knew the truth, but never made a commitment that are left behind will rise up and bring others to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. I think there will be a remnant left when Armageddon begins, most of these will end up as martyrs and be beheaded, some may find safety.
Does this figure in do you think?
---NVBarbara on 7/19/05

Thank you Ann. I hope it will help clear some of the issues up and folks can learn from it.
---Elder on 7/19/05

Excellent, Elder. I've never seen it put in quite that order before. Thank you.
---Ann5758 on 7/19/05

A brief outline of the Revelation.

Ch 1 John receives the Revelation of Jesus as Almighty God and in His Glory.
Ch 2-3 The 7 Churches.
In between ch 3:22 and ch 4 is where the Rapture occurs. The Church is never seen again until ch 19.
Ch 5 the plagues start.
Ch 6 The Seven Seals are broken.
Ch 7 to 8:1 there is a break in the action seen in ch 7.
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 7/19/05

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Cond #2-->
Ch 8 the 7th seal is broken and releases the 7 Trumpets until ch 9:21.
Ch 10-11:14 there is another break in the action between the 6th and 7th Trumpet. In 11:3 we see the two witness.
Ch 11:15 the 7th Trumpet.
Ch 15 the 7 Vials are released through ch 16:21. Verse 12-16 Satan prepares for the Battle of Armageddon.
Ch 17 the Religions that man built are destroyed by God.
Ch 18 the Political system that man built is destroyed by God.
Cond #3--->
---Elder on 7/19/05

Cond #3--->
Ch 19 the Bride of Christ introduced.
Ch 19:11-21 Armageddon is fought.
Ch 19:20-20:2 The battle is won and Satan is bound 1000 years.
Ch 20:4-10 the Millennium reign and Great White Throne Judgement. Verse 7 Satan is loosed and another battle (Gog and Magog) is fought after he goes out and deceives again. Satan is defeated and cast into the Lake of Fire.
Ch 21 the Fabulous City.
Ch 22 a pure river and the Tree of Life.
---Elder on 7/19/05

Eloy so now you are saying that the earth will be inhabited with unholy men forever after the Rapture.
What happens to the 1,000 year reign of Christ?
How about the Great White Throne Judgement? When does the Bema Judgement occur?
When do we see a New Earth?
When does the 144,000 show up and why?
When does the Final Revolt of Satan take place?
When is the Battle of Armageddon?
When does all of the above occur? Before or after the Rapture?
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 7/19/05

Cond #2-->
Rev 1:17 is speaking of John seeing the exalted Christ in His revealing. Read from v1 and you will see this.

Psm 50:1-4 is speaking of God's Majesty in the church. You see the event spoke of in Numbers 16:23-35.
Read Psm 97:1-10 this shows His Majesty in His Kingdom.
---Elder on 7/19/05

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Elder, not so. The rapture is depicted in Matthew 24:40-42. But if you are in Christ, in the Holy Spirit, then you don't have to be concerned about the rapture. Only those in sin should be concerned about being left behind on earth without the Holy Spirit. When all of us true Christians are raptured, then all that will be left on earth are the liars, thieves, murderers, rapers, anti-God and anti-Christ etc. No more Holy Spirit to restrain the evil anymore, what a horrible place earth will be then.
---Eloy on 7/18/05

Eloy, Phia and Jerry
Thank you your good answers on this question.
>The Bible states clearly:
Jesus coming and 'RAPTURE' same event and NOT SECRET (Rev 1,17/Ps 50,3/1The 4:16-17/Math 24,27)
For an extended view read: Lk 17:26-37
Like in Noah's day, there will be 2 classes,
(wheat/tares) whem He comes again. v 30-37
One class will be raptured and the other will be destroyed. Note Q in v.37 and the A in REV 19:11-18. 2 Thes. 1: 7-9. 2:8 affirm
May His light shine!
---Pierr7958 on 7/18/05

Eloy the entire chapter 24 of Matt is about the Tribulation not the Rapture.
The Second Coming is in verse 29-30. We do not see the Rapture here because it has already occurred before the Tribulation time of the prophecy of the Seventy weeks spoke of in Daniel. The 69th Week has been completed and only the 70th week is left which will occur in the 7 years of the Tribulation.
Cond #2-->
---Elder on 7/18/05

Cond #2-->
The Tribulation occurs before the Antichrist is revealed.
What was I Thess 4:13-18 & Ch 5:1-9 written about and for? Do you notice v9? God has not appointed us to wrath. The pre-Tribulation Christian shall have no part in the Tribulation.
The people who get Saved in the Tribulation will have to endure to the end as stated in Matt 24:13.
Cond #3--->
---Elder on 7/18/05

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Cond #3--->
You can see this in the Revelation also. The churches are never spoke of again after chapter 3:22.
The order is Rapture of the Church, 7 year Tribulation and then the Second Coming of Christ. That is when He sets foot down on this earth for the second time. Then He reigns for 1000 years, and Satan is allowed to revolt one more time and is defeated and cast into The Lake of Fire.
---Elder on 7/18/05

As a new Christian reading the Bible in the Spirit I was never indoctrinated into pre-trib, post trib, or mid tribulational rapture.

The question was there, and I knew in my heart it was coming one fine day, but the question was answered for me without my asking. I recieved it in my spirit when reading Revelation for the first time.

I stopped reading and asked God about it only to recieve his peace. That's enough for me, I don't logic, I don't even need a rapture to follow Jesus...Do you?
---Pharisee on 7/18/05

The only inkling of a rapture in all the Bible is the being caught up to meet Jesus in the air, concurrent with the resurrection of the dead, at His second coming. It is no secret since every eye shall see Him, and there will certainly not be any tribulation once we are with Him.
---Jerry on 7/18/05

Post Tribulation Rapture was normative teaching for Centuries and was never called rapture. Pre Tribulation rapture is a dominately attributable Charles Darby in the 1800s it does not have a sound basis. Look up "Rapture Theory" (include the quotes marks to make it a literal) on the Internet or rapture in a good thelological dictionary.
---Phia4633 on 7/18/05

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Debbie, Noah suffered and was suffering living among the violence. He was saved on the Ark so that God could destroy all the wicked who were causing all the suffering. Then he put Noah back on the empty earth to live alone in righteousness and repopulate the earth. So we too are living and suffering among the wicked today, and very very soon God will rapture us and destroy the wicked again, just as before, but with fire instead of water.
---Eloy on 7/18/05

Elder, the 2nd Coming and the Rapture is the samething, please read Matthew 24:39-41. The great tribulation happens right after the AntiChrist is manifested, please read Matthew 24:21, then false Christs and prophets arise, and then the lightning and 2nd coming of Christ.
---Eloy on 7/18/05

Eloy: True, Noah was on the earth when the evil was happening, etc. BUT God saved him and his family from drowning in the great flood, did He not? He kept Noah from that suffering just as he will Believers. We will be raptured before the tribulation so as not to suffer (just as Noah did not suffer).
---Debbie on 7/18/05

Eloy, In Noah's day there was evil and tribulation just like today. The example of the Great Tribulation is when the water came upon the evil ones. You see Noah was safe inside the Ark before the waters came.
Again, like I told you before don't mix up the Second Coming, The GREAT Tribulation and Rapture.

Pierr7958, I am trying to find some truth in the books you sent. I haven't yet.
---Elder on 7/18/05

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Elder: I hope you will find a better answer after you get my package. I pray you restudy
this important subject and find TRUTH.
---Pierr7958 on 7/17/05

Elder, if you recall Noah was living in the earth at the exact same time that "the earth also was corrupt in front of God, and the earth was filled with violence...all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth; for the earth is filled with violence through them." Genesis 6:11-13. Then he built the ark, and then the flood to destroy the wicked came. So we must endure these tribulations of the wicked today, even as Noah did; Jesus is our Ark, and when you come aboard him then you will be saved.
---Eloy on 7/17/05

When you suffer for Christ that is tribulation. According to Matthew chapter 24 the tribulation of the world becomes unbearably horrible just like it was in Noah's day, and then the rapture will happen. The AntiChrist has not been installed yet. But the rapture happens immediately after the tribulation. Matthew 24:29-31.
---Eloy on 7/17/05

The non-secret rapture will take place at Jesus' second coming when the saints will be lifted up to meet Him in the air.
---Pierr7958 on 7/17/05

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When God the Father says it will.....He will remove His children from the earth so they can escape the things that are to come. There is NO reason for them to suffer His wrath. That is reserved for those who deliberately refuse to accept His gift of salvation. Why would you punish a child when they do something right?
---Ann5758 on 7/17/05

If what Jesus Christ says means anything, "both grow together until the harvest", which is the end of the world.

Then the BAD stuff is gathered up and burned FIRST.

He doesn't say that the good grain is gathered a week (or 1007 days) before harvest time, does He?

Matthew 13.
---Jack on 7/17/05

Go back to Noah's Ark. He was placed inside the Ark before the flood not after or during it.
The Rapture occurs before the Tribulation. The Tribulation will punish sinners and cause some to turn to Christ.
Believers will be at the Bema Judgement receiving their rewards.
---Elder on 7/17/05

Before, cause when we (true christians) meet Jesus in the air, we won't be here to see what is going on. God will pour out his wrath when all his chosen are home. Some will have a second chance to go to heaven during the great tribulation. Because it says in the bible that whomever believes in Jesus will be, beheaded.
---Rebecca_D on 7/17/05

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1 Cor. 15:51-53. It will take place at the LAST trumpet. That means there are six other trumpets to take place BEFORE the rapture. 1 Thes. 4:13-17 indicates that we who are living will NOT precede those who have fallen asleep. The dead in Christ rise first, then we who are alive. Rev. 20:4-6 speaks of the FIRST resurrection. I personally would love to escape the tribulation and its terrors, but I think we are in for the long haul. I think we're out of here at the end of it all.
---Erin on 7/16/05

The rapture cannot happen after the great tribulation in my opinion.

Think about it, If God has sealed his divinity within us and made us forever a part of him by giving us the Holy Spirit how then could he pour out his wrath upon us?
How could he pour out his wrath upon himself?
What would be the need?
That was done when Jesus was nailed to the cross.
If after the great tribulation why be raptured?
Will the saints yo-yo up to heaven and back down again for no apparent reason?
---Pharisee on 7/16/05

before the great tribulation. that what i believe
---Gabriele on 7/16/05

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