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When Were Animals Unclean

Question: God did not give laws concerning clean & unclean foods till the Israelites were in the desert,but Gen.7 speaks of clean & unclean animals in the ark. Where was the directive concerning what animals were clean or not?

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Samuel and Pierr7958 are spot-on with their thoughts.
Judith, remember to study verses in context and not trust in someone else's conclusion. In Matthew 15:17, when Jesus states it's not what enters the mouth that makes a man unclean, the topic being discussed is eating with unwashed hands. There is no mention of unclean meats because that is not what is being discussed.

Matt 15:20 "These are what make a man 'unclean', but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean'"
---Todd1 on 5/27/08

It seem some people are more concerned with saving their ham sandwiches and Pork chops then answering the question.

The laws of unclean are not stated before Noah. But permission to eat meat is also not given before Noah. That men ate it anyway is true since men gave up following GOD for their own desires.
---Samuel on 5/27/08

When GOD spoke to Noah he showed him which were which but did not have Moses write it down.

The purpose of the law was to help prevent the spread of disease and eating things harmful to us. Something we should still consider.

Yet today people shoot or snort poison.
They drink that which makes animals of humans and many say that is okay.
---Samuel on 5/27/08

According to LEV 11:47 people were/are to make a distinction between CLEAN and UNCLEAN, what was acceptable and unacceptable to eat. It should be noted that this distinction was not just a Jewish prohibition. It was in effect before Abraham the first Jew. TO BE CONT.
---Pierr7958 on 5/27/08

Remember the Lord said :It's not what goes into the body that defiles it but what comes out" This means that no food can cause ones body to be defiled. He also says don't let anyone tell you what to eat. Read the small books like Galations eph etc.
---Judith on 8/24/05

expositional constancy. when God says "new rule!" from then on in the bible it stays until God decides to change it again. like the old covenant versus the new, god gave noah several sets of certain animals for them to eat to stay alive. but in the new testament god said to paul let no man make unclean that which I have made clean. so as far as you are conerned you can eat whatever you want, so no there was no directive what you read is what there was.
---matthew on 8/1/05

Ann, Henoch was godly and he never died, but God took him, so it's very likely that he penned Genesis from Adam's first-hand testimony. And it is very unlikely that Moses penned Genesis because he was not even born until 303 years after Genesis was completed, thus you will not find any scripture reading that he wrote Genesis. And unlike Henoch he sinned, and he was not allowed to enter into the promise land, but he died outside.
---Eloy on 7/31/05

, NVbarbara, pork and beef are equally unhealthy if they are both cooked. it is uncooked meats that are "filthy". cooked meats from four-legged animals contribute to cancer, heart disease, etc.
---steve on 7/30/05

Eloy, what makes you think that it was Enoch or Henoch or whatever you call him? Is it recorded anywhere that he did any scripture recording at all? Show me.
---Ann5758 on 7/28/05

Ann, 2,586 years of Genesis history has happened (omitting the 100 to 1 ratio) from the time of Noah's creation until the time of Moses' birth. It is logical that Adam passed down his first-person historical experiences on to his descendent Henoch, and Henoch never died but was taken by God, so he is most likely the person who recorded the rest of Genesis. Also, can you prove that Moses did record Genesis? Yes, God can do anything, even inspire me to write Genesis, however i believe it was Henoch's pen.
---Eloy on 7/28/05

As to the question, I agree with Billy's explaination.
---Bruce5656 on 7/27/05

What would be the difference between Moses writing about things he had never seem (by inspriation) and Paul, who did the same?
---Bruce5656 on 7/27/05

CURT/Steve. Yes we are under grace, not the Law, However under the law, pork was forbidden because it is filthy, beef was not forbidden, it had nothing to do with fat content.
---NVBarbara on 7/27/05

Eloy, you're still not giving any proof that Moses did not pen Genesis. Are you putting a limit on what God can do? Sounds like it to me if you're saying that He can't inspire someone to write something that happened 300 years earlier. Adam had no book-learning....where would he learn to write? Moses had the best education that anyone oculd have...who better for God to speak he did so many times.
---Ann5758 on 7/27/05

Ann, The last verse in Genesis reads that Joseph died at 110 years old. At that time Moses was not even born yet, not until in the book of Exodus 303 years later. And yes they are wrong, and i have found that they are wrong many times, so i don't give much creedance to what scholars nor academia say, only to what the Scriptures say of itself.
---Eloy on 7/27/05

Eloy, I really wish you would use scriptures with words that are understood. It may show your great knowledge being able to quote Hebrew or Greek or whatever, but I am not familiar with the texts you use. Anyways, are you saying that all the biblical scholars who say Moses penned Genesis were all wrong? So what if he didn;t live till 300 years after. God inspired him and gave him the words to write.
---Ann5758 on 7/26/05

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Billy, Moses did not write Genesis, because he wasn't born until 303 years after it was completed. It is logical that Adam at 700 years of age gave the Genesis history to the 7th generation, which was Henoch. And Henoch recorded the rest of Genesis history up to Joseph's death at 110 years: for Henoch lived a godly life, and was no more, for God took him away. Genesis 5:24; 50:26.
---Eloy on 7/26/05

When the sheet come down bound at the four corners,God was not talking about meat,he was telling peter not to call another man common. If you keep reading it is very clear, Acts 10:17-28
---glady5446 on 7/25/05

I hear you Billy. Thanks for the explanation brother.
---Leon on 7/24/05

Yes, Leon, I know that. I didn't mean to imply that the Pentateuch wasn't inspired of God, or that Moses was "only" writing the part about unclean animals to appease the Hebrews. God inspired Moses to write all of it, but I think He inspired that part of it because He knew it would be edifying and useful for the Hebrews, and not because He instructed Noah that way. That's all.
---Billy on 7/24/05

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Billy: Are you saying Moses assumed there were categorically clean & unclean animals on the ark, so he wrote it as such (in the Pentateuch) to appease the Hebrew mindset?

I believe you know God spoke directly to Moses. So, it was more like Moses was writing down what God said to him instead of Moses having to make any assumptions regarding the matter.

Peace brother! :-)
---Leon on 7/23/05

, remember that we are under grace, not the law of moses. so, if you avoid pork, make sure you avoid beef as well, as both are fatty meats that don't promote health.
---steve on 7/23/05

Ann5758: I believe your question is how did Noah know clean from unclean animals. The logical answer is "God told him" even though it's not directly recorded in the Bible. Look at Gen. 7 in context with God's preceeding commands/instructions/directions to Noah in Gen 6.

Good question!
---Leon on 7/23/05

Ann, the answer to this is simply that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible. He described the animals in the Ark as clean and unclean because, by his time, they had already been divided that way while the Israelites were in the desert. I doubt if the distinction would have meant anything at all to Noah, but it meant something to the Hebrews who were going to read the book from then on.
---Billy on 7/22/05

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God told Noah exactly what to do, and how to do it. Noah knew what animals were clean and unclean, for God told him. The method of speaking of the animals that were taken into the ark, "clean" and "unclean" implies that only those that were useful to man were perserved and no wild animals were taken into the ark. I believe that since the law didn't come in until later was because the animals had to populate, bringing forth different species.
---Rebecca_D on 7/22/05

I understand all this, but nobody is answering my specific question...if laws concerning clean & unclean weren't given until Leviticus, why were animals divided into clean & unclean on the ark? When was this directive given, or how was it decided? How did Noah know what was clean/unclean?
---Ann5758 on 7/22/05

Leviticus 11 - Foods permitted and forbidden 1-23 & unclean animals 24-47
---barbara67 on 7/22/05

Rest assured, when it comes to health the scriptures (God) would not tell us IT MATERS ONE PLACE but IT DOES NOT MATTER IN ANOTHER PLACE! As a loving God it always matters that we pursue good health.
As for Peter and his "vision" it really has nothing to do with eating unclean meats. A careful study will reveal that the scene is about teaching Peter not to be prejuficial/discriminatory in whom he ministered to.
---Pierr7958 on 7/21/05

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I just new that most of you would think of this prohibition to eat unclean foods as a ceremonial law BUT IT IS NOT ONE OF THOSE!
The issue here is that we are reminded that we are the "temple of the H.S. glorify God in (our) your bodies" 1 Cor 6:19-20.
Next a warning to those who defile their bodies 1 Cor 3:17.
Next an exhortation/order 1 Cor 10:31 "whether you EAT or DRINK do ALL to God's glory TO BE CONT
---Pierr7958 on 7/21/05

All things were clean in the garden of Eden, but when disobedience entered into the angel Heylel, God cursed him and sent him into the world. Now after the fall, certain animals were named benius for well-being and others maligim. Now since A.D., Christ has freed us from the law of relegating certain meats as unclean. Please read Colossians 2:14-16.
---Eloy on 7/21/05

Gregg is correct. The new testament very clearly shows that ALL maner of food is considered "clean" now. Whether it is healthy is another matter, but the ceremonial and dietary laws have been abolished.
---Bruce5656 on 7/21/05

According to the new testament, the sheet that was let down from heaven with all manner of beasts that Peter was told to rise, slay, and eat not one animal is unclean because God cleaned them. 'What God has cleaned, call thou not unclean.'
---gregg8944 on 7/21/05

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Gen 7:1-2 The Lord...mate and its mate."
Note also that this distinction/prohibiion is still in effect and will be til the end of time READ Isah. 66:15,17 "those who eat the flesh of pigs...and other abominable things...
---Pierr7958 on 7/21/05

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