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Where Is My Brother Now

When some one commits suicide does he go to heaven or to hell. Where is my brother now?

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No one here can answer that question for you. We are not the Righteous Judge.
We weren't there in the final moments of this person's life, but God was.
---Bob on 10/30/07

Committing suicide is not the UNPARDONABLE sin against God, only unbelief is. If your brother knew Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour then he will be with God now. (If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, then you will be saved. Romans 10)
---Christine on 10/30/07

Lupe, i'm not standing there where you are. And there's no need at all for me to "remember" what i already do know, nor to "remember" what i am already living daily.
---Eloy on 8/25/05

Rebecca, The born-again are free from sin. Please read Romans chapter 6. Scripture does say this: "Whoever stays in Christ sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." I John 3:6-9.
---Eloy on 8/25/05

I don't know if you Eloy wrote this last answer but it sure didn't come from me. Now I am getting my name on the answers. I believe someone just made a mistake so I take it for that. It was address to me. Again thank you Eloy for your answer, I stand by what I said, No true Love, No Christ, Remember Eloy.
---lupe2618 on 8/24/05

Lupe, Please read I John chapter 3, and Romans chapter 6, the entire chapters please. If you are born-again, then you are a new creation in Christ, old things are passed away, and you are made the righteousness of Christ, and the servant is as the Lord is. The Bible plainly states that there are good trees and bad trees; not that all are bad trees- for that is false and a confusion of incorporating the O.T. truth with the N.T. truth, and you can't combine them together. One is B.C. and the other is A.D.
---Lupe on 8/24/05

Eloy; by saying that you are saying the bible is not true. Scriptures say no one is without sin. what you are quoting in 1 JN is when we see Jesus, we will be like him, perfect, sinless. If we were sinless, then why does Jesus tell us to repent daily? This is Lupe's belief cause it says it in the bible. I don't mean to down you, Eloy, but if there is such a thing as one being sinless (in this flesh) except Jesus, then he would have told us in his word.
---Rebecca_D on 8/24/05

Lupe, that's your belief, but your belief is not the truth.
---Eloy on 8/24/05

Eloia, I thank you for what you wrote and I too believe if we say we are without sin we are sinning because we lie. I believe if Na's brother had a true love for Christ he is in heaven. You cannot be a child of God without that true love. For the lost have enmity against God.
---lupe2618 on 8/23/05

Romans 3:10 There is NONE righteous, no not one. Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. 1 John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make God a liar, and His word is NOT in us. Ephesians 2:8 It is by grace you have been saved through faith; AND NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is a gift of God.
---chria8537 on 8/17/05

brother Eloy, I know you are very sincere with your words. I know you love the Lord and I know you are a good Christian. But I believe you have this one wrong on not sinning. I don't think it matters really for me or anyone. It would effect you though. blessings brother
---lupe2618 on 8/16/05

Eloia, John wrote this to sinners, read I John 1:3,6. Eloia, you do not know me, so you cannot judge me: for if you did know me then you would know that i am a well-doer and not a sinner. In Greek the passage you cited reads: "My little children, these things I write to you, that you all not sin. And if somebody sin, a Counsellor we have with the Father, righteous Jesus Christ; and he the appeasement is yours for sin: and of not for ours only, but even for all the world." I John 2:1,2.
---Eloy on 8/16/05

Christine; I didn't say God left you, I said you left him. If you fall away from God how is your still saved, for he is no longer in your heart when you backslide. I am no longer a sinner, for I am now a child of God, I still sin, but not a sinner. Robert, I have lost loved ones from suicide. both somehow or another fell from God, and backslide into the world. One which went to church for 40 yrs, a devoted man, satan is what happened.
---Rebecca_D on 8/15/05

I John was written to Christians. IJohn2:1 "My little children...."
See 1:10
Is not pride a sin? We are still with our human nature...but we also are born again with a new we stuggle with sin which "wars within". Sorry Eloy,but you still sin. I'm sure it's not your lifestyle...but you are not perfect...YET. Only when Christ catches us out of this world will we be IN our new body...and without sin in Heaven.
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/15/05

Eloia, religious people said that Jesus was a sinner too, but he like myself, am not convinced of this misjudgment. Throughout the Scripture there are 2 kinds of people contrasted, the good tree which are the righteous who serve God, and the evil tree which are the sinners who serve sin. And by their fruits they bear we know them.
---Eloy on 8/15/05

Eloia, you are in error, the incomplete passage you quoted was written to sinners, not Christians, verse 6= "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth." This is who he is speaking to, those who say they are christians, but they are not, they are sinners serving sin rather than Christ.
---Eloy on 8/15/05

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Paulette, thanks for your math, I'm taking your word for that calculation. my point was, who knows what goes on in that last second of life. thanks.
---wayne on 8/15/05

Wayne, according to that math 1000 years would only be 10 seconds not a day. Calling a day a day is far less complicated.
---Paulette on 8/15/05

Rebecca. I cannot imagine you would ever have this opinion if you ever lost a loved one to suicide. We are talking about human beings with emotional issues. This is not a faith issue, but one of emotional hurt and loss.

I cannot imagine ever getting to the point where I would consider suicide. My heart goes out to those who have reached this point. I pray that YOU never get to that point, becuase only then would you truly realize the depth of these feelings.
---NurseRobert on 8/15/05

Na, I feel for your loss. I also had a good friend, Bill, commit suicide this past week. Tough to explain why, even tougher to explain if we will see him again in heaven. Only God really knows if someone has trusted in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation. Christ said he would never deny himself, 2 Timothy 2:11-13. I will be praying for you and your family. Gerald
---geraa7578 on 8/15/05

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So what about physical sickness? is it from saten? the brain is more complicated than the rest of the body. looking at it from God's time table, (1 day=1000 yrs) the last second of life can be equal to 100 yrs. that boggles my mind. who knows what goes on in that time span?
---wayne on 8/15/05

Eloy, Since you believe you do not sin, you are taking a lot of pride in your perfect life. I John was written to Christians and he said in vs 9..."If we confess our sins..." So obviously christians still sin. Peter sinned in denying Christ, on and on we see sin in HIS DISCIPLES. I'm afaid you are sinning in your PRIDE or imagined sinless state. Jesus Christ was the only sinless one on earth, ever. I John 1:9-10
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/15/05

Eloy, Since you believe you do not sin, you are taking a lot of pride in your perfect life. I John was written to Christians and he said in vs 9..."If we confess our sins..." So obviously christians still sin. Peter sinned in denying Christ, on and on we see sin in HIS DISCIPLES. I'm afaid you are sinning in your PRIDE or imagined sinless state. Jesus Christ was the only sinless one on earth, ever. I John 1:9-10
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/15/05

wayne and lupe, i study the Bible daily. My denomination is the Word. Please read I John chapter 3 and Romans chapter 6.
---Eloy on 8/15/05

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Rebecca, I disagree with some of the things you are saying. NEVER did God leave me...I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU He the time I was hurting with immense situations..NEVER did I lose the salvation Christ offered to me before which I accepted. I am continually a sinner, saved by the grace of God. Trying to be obedient to Him, but the flesh is weak, and sometimes I do the things I do not want to do.
---Christine on 8/14/05

Robert; if they had faith in God, they would turn to God instead of suicide. It takes faith to believe in God, and without faith you can't please him. Some mental illness comes from at birth, but some comes from satan. Satan does everything he possibly can to destroy anyone. When someone is thinking of commiting suicide, they aren't in there right mind. For satan has a strong hold on them, they are held captive.
---Rebecca_D on 8/14/05

Eloy, I heard of people believing losing their salvation, Of people not believing in the sovereignty of God, but I don't know what religion teaches that you are without sin. I know you don't have to tell me but just asking cause you are the only one I have heard say that you are without sin. Of course I don't believe that because Scripture tells us different, but you believe it for a reason and it has to come from your denomnination.
---lupe2618 on 8/14/05

Na, my sister suicided in 2000.God ministered to me in the secret hiding place that those close to Him find in deep sorrow and he gave me a vision, a sign, a Psalm (139)and confirmation that my sister reached out to Jesus as she was dying, He was there because He loved her. His hand was outstretched to her. Suicide is not a cruel act of violence on another. It's a desperate response to unrelenting pain and torment. Why would God tell us to love and forgive others who hurt us, if He can't do the same?
---lisa on 8/14/05

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Eloy......christians do your Bible..those who say they are without sin are laying.
---wayne on 8/14/05

sometimes God allows the flesh to be be destroyed so the spirit can be saved. can't remember the verse.
---wayne on 8/14/05

Rebecca - where did you get the idea that "a perosn who kills themselves, didn't have faith in God to help them." That is utter nonsense. Most people who have committed suicide have a mental illness. My God, a God of infinite love and compassion, understands this. And what does Amos 9:12 have to do with this?
---Nurse_Robert on 8/14/05

Christine, just make sure your heart is right with God at all times. God tells us to examine ourselves to see if there are any hidden sins that we don't know about, if there is God will bring them out for us to see and to repent over. You said at that time you didn't trust God, you lost your faith in him. what if you did take your life, honestly where do you think you would be? remember you didn't trust him in that moment. But thanks to God you saw the light and you allowed God to help.
---Rebecca_D on 8/14/05

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Eloia, The truth is one is never forgiven forever. After repentence if a person sins again, then they are lost again and they must repent again, if not, they remain lost. You can't use an old historical repentance and forgiveness for any new future sin. And as far as sinning Christians, there is no such thing. Those who are prideful and judgemental, etc. are not real Christians, no matter what they call themselves, they are lost sinners and not Christians.
---Eloy on 8/14/05

Eloy....please read my first sentence again, dated 8/13. I said one must "repent". Of course we must acknowledge we are a sinner and that Christ paid our sin debt. When I KNOW that and put all my trust in Christ, EVEN when I sin after sin is covered. If I truly trust Christ there WILL BE change in my lifestyle. I will NOT be comfortable in sin. So even if one kills themself, it is no greater or lesser than judging, prideful, selfrighteous Christians.
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/14/05

We have to realise that 'but for the grace of God, there go I' & we all continue to sin. Some make it into heaven the Bible says, by the skin of their teeth. We ARE saved by the grace & mercy of God, and by accepting Jesus death & resurrection for us. Yes, we all make mistakes & fall short, but we need to learn from our sin & turn to God. Remember, in the measure we judge, we also will be judged.
---Christine on 8/14/05

One other comment. Several times as a believer, I have taken my life into my own hands, and tried suicide. Finally I came to realise 4 yrs ago through the grace, mercy & revelation of God, that this too was an act of sin and pride against God. It was me taking my life into my own hands and saying to God, I don't believe you are doing the right thing in my life right now. I don't trust you, I will take over. I was very hurt, but very sick too.
---Christine on 8/14/05

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So..if I die suddenly & unexpectantly in car accident & had no time to be fully up-to-date with repenting of my CONTINUAL sin before God, does that mean as someone who IS born-again, I will NOT be in heaven today? NO, of course not. Jesus died for our sin ONCE & for all, and offers forgiveness for ALL my sin. Salvation is not a works thing, it is an act of God's grace. Those who think they are without sin, ought to check their hearts. There are none righteous only those God makes so.
---Christine on 8/14/05

Rebecca, deathbed conversions are valid to God, for his name is Redeemer. If after someone wounds themself or poisons themself, and with their dying words they ask God to forgive them. Then He will.
---Eloy on 8/14/05

The word also says without faith it is impossible to please God. Jn 10:10-12, 1 Cor 3:16-17. When a person takes their life they are taking that decision away from God, now wouldn't that be a sin? Each person is the only one who can pluck themselves out of God's hand. If a person falls away from God and doesn't repent their name is erased from the book of life. And until they repent their name won't be added. How can a dead person repent? You give satan an inch he'll take a mile.
---Rebecca_D on 8/13/05

Your brother denied to live what God wanted him to live, life is a blessing he rejected, he dont had faith in God he would not comit suicide otherwise, yes in case he was got abused it was not his fault, he didnt believe in forgiveness also
---Kelly on 8/13/05

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Eloia, Do not be deluded, no unrepented sin is forgiven. No present nor future sin that you commit can ever be forgiven until you repent from it. If after your salvation you choose to sin again, then you are damned until you righten your backslidden condition. For the poster, it is possible for a person dying by suicide to be repenting with their dying breath. Also, some suicides are so mentally unsound that they cannot be held rationally responsible for their irrational actions.
---Eloy on 8/13/05

what's the question about permant ink? didn't Jesus say "nothing can snatch my own from me"?
---wayne on 8/13/05

Rebecca, one is not in their right mind to do this. you're saying there is no mental illness?. the Bible says,"where little is given little is required" we are not their judge. even murder is not an unforgivable sin. be careful what you say, your tongue will snare you. as someone pointed out, there is enough time before the last heart beat.
---wayne on 8/13/05

Apologize for speaking what the word says, I won't. Many confess with their mouth, but their heart is far from God. Once your dead your dead, there is no time for repentance. One can't say, Lord forgive me then kill themselves, it don't work that way. Our names are not written in permanent ink. a perosn who kills themselves, didn't have faith in God to help them. Amos 9:12 you need to read it spiritualy to understand this verse.
---Rebecca_D on 8/13/05

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When one dies forgiven then their spirit is in heaven, but when one dies in their sins then their spirit is not in heaven: all sin has consequences; however if he was mentally ill when he did this irrational sin, then God's grace alone will determine where his eternal abode will be.
---Eloy on 8/13/05

ADB and Rebecca... you both need to back up your statements.
---Nurse_Robert on 8/13/05

Christine is 100% right. When a person repents they are a sinner and ask Jesus for forgiveness they are saved immediately and forever. When Christ died for sin, he died for ALL sin, past, present and future. sin was future when Christ died. If your brother acknowledged Jesus (alone) as his personal savior, his citizenship is in Heaven. This world is not our home anymore. Read Romans Ephesians Hebrews and John. I too lost a brother..I grieve with you. I find comfort in II Thess. 4:13-18
---Eloia_N_KS on 8/13/05

When was suicide ever an act of faith?
---Pharisee on 8/13/05

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Definitely not in heaven. No one has the right to take his life; you didn't create yourself. Whatever happens in the journey of life, trust the Lord
---leslie on 8/13/05

I can't imagine your pain at losing of your brother, especially like this. Let me offer what I hope are some words of comfort. Firstly, though the Bible is clear...the only way of salvation is through Jesus, secondly... He is willing that NONE should perish. NOTHING else is required, and I believe that there is ALWAYS time to repent, or to receive him for the first time (even in that moment between life and death). The hard thing for those left behind is the not knowing. Turn to Him, let Him comfort you.
---Chery7374 on 8/13/05

AMEN Christine!!
---Monte on 8/13/05

I agree with with Christine---
---Mary_D on 8/13/05

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mental sickness is like physical sickness, we have to be very careful commenting on this subject. yes there will be those in Heaven who have done this.
Rebecca, you made some harsh comments that are not in character with a christian, you need to appolligize
---wayne on 8/13/05

Only God knows what your brother beleived. If your brother knew Jesus, he will be with Jesus. Pray to God about it, He will give you peace. Some people say suicide is murdering yourself, I think that is absurd. Who is to know who is right, I would say God is more merciful than vengeful.
---sue on 8/12/05

If you commit suicide you can't ask forgiveness. I think you might want to talk to God and ask him about suicide. God will give you your answers.
---adb on 8/12/05

To me from what I understand of the bible, he isn't in heaven, and he isn't going to be. Others will say different. but there are no excuses before God. I know that only God knows his heart, but suicide is murder.
---Rebecca_D on 8/12/05

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