Good point Shira.
But I would just add that we turn to follow JESUS. Then we will
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Christians will be known by their love.
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/25/14|
in another blog I made the statement that all that is required of us is to know about salvation. I was scolded by someone about rightly dividing the bible. my comment had nothing to do with rightly dividing the bible. It had to do with preaching Jesus and how He died for our sin. all that is required to be saved is to be born in the family of God. all we have to do is tell others what Jesus has done for us...me.
---shira4368 on 7/23/14|
.....profiting from the entire Bible requires rightly dividing scripture.
The boC doesn't have twelve tribes.
---michael_e on 7/12/14
You profit not because you do not hear or believe the OT Prophets. Although they witness gate to gate you are not able to apply their witness. Many NT tanglers/proclaimers are a witness unto themselves by the lack of same.
BOC. Rev 21-22 confirms Matt 15:24, all prophets and the following.
Mat 19:28 Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
---Trav on 7/21/14|
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision BY faith, and uncircumcision THROUGH faith. Rom 3:30
For the circumcision, justification was by faith. plus obedience to the covenants. Israels faith was made perfect by works. James 2:22, 2:24
The uncircumcision was justified by faith, in the finished work of Christ (Rom 5:1, Eph 2:8).
It wasn't until Paul that righteousness without the law was manifested and faith stood alone for justification. Rom 3:22
Today, it's been revealed justification comes by faith in Gods instructions, but through faith alone in Christs finished work. No works are needed, Justification is offered today by faith and through faith without works.
---michael_e on 7/19/14|
//The faith of Jewish believers at Pentecost demanded obedience of works.//
Does this teaching suggest that Paul teaches one should not be obedient?
Faith has always been the element of justification. One could read Hebrews chapter 11 for a review of that statement. By faith...and then they DID something (works).
By faith...(Moses' mother)
I think the point is evident.
---Rod4Him on 7/19/14|
The faith of Jewish believers at Pentecost demanded obedience of works. (James 2:20) James says a man reaches justification, the proof of salvation, through works.(James 2:24)
Until Paul, the substance of faith included Gods involvement with Israel, its promised kingdom, and covenants.
With Paul salvation was offered by grace through faith alone apart from any nation,or kingdom requirements (Rom 4:5, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 11:6, Eph 2:12).
Paul offered hope based on salvation found only in the preaching of the cross (Eph 2:7, Rom 5:2-4).
The saving faith includes the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ who was delivered for our offences and raised again for our free justification (Rom 4:25). Apart from any work (Rom 3:24).
---michael_e on 7/18/14|
//It's clear there WERE two ways of salvation//
No so, it has always been by faith.
---Rod4Him on 7/18/14|
//There are NOT two programs.//
It's clear there WERE two ways of salvation.
---michael_e on 7/17/14|
"Understanding these two programs is the real division. ref Eph. 2:11-13, and this is what churches should teach."
---michael_e on 7/17/14
In Ephesians 2:11_22, Paul teaches NOT that there is still division, rather that there was but is no more.
There are NOT two programs.
2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
Romans 12:5 "So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another."
---Nana on 7/17/14|
Under "grace," justification is by faith alone without the deeds of law. Eph2:8-9 Titus 3:4-5)
Under law, faith and works were needed for justification.
(James 2:14 James 2:24)
It's clear there were two ways of salvation. Both through the shed blood. One for Israel, the other for the church,the boC.
One the subject of prophecy, the other the subject of mystery. One under law, the other under grace.
Question is which program is God working today?
Do we go to Israel today to receive our instructions, Isa 2:1-5, Micah 4:1-2 or has Israel fallen and temporarily been set aside Rom 111:11,12,25,26,
Understanding these two programs is the real division. ref Eph. 2:11-13, and this is what churches should teach.
---michael_e on 7/17/14|
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
John 17:18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,
2Tim 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
-The "church", as in the assembly of believers, are suppose to receive instruction and edify each other. Out in the world is where the gospel should be preached. The assembly is no place for unbelievers. Present them Christ, then bring them in upon belief to be discipled.
---micha9344 on 7/16/14|
"I think a church is out of order if they don't preach, at least once a year, 'What is salvation? What isn't salvation?"
Once a year??? Why not every sermon?
Do we just hope that those who have never heard the message will 'drop in' to our church casually on that once-a-year occasion when the real message is being preached?
Even a regular could miss that message by being away on that once-a-year occasion when the message of salvation is preached.
Even our conversations should contain that message as and when appropriate.
---Rita_H on 7/15/14|
Ephesians 3:6 "That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel..."
Romans 11:16_18 "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree, Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee."
Ephesians 2:14 "For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us"
Why do you want to build the wall again?
---Nana on 7/15/14|
Doctrine & commandments of men the trinity Rev 17 vs 4 5 6 Never did.
Acts 2 v 38 Is The Only Bible Salvation.
---Lawrence on 7/15/14|
A wise women once said if JESUS as our Savior is not the center of every sermon then it should not be preached.
All truth must center in JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/14|
The most important thing to learn in the salvation message is to rightly identify and divide the mystery of Christ from that spoken to the prophets concerning Christ.
What God spoke of by the mouth of His prophets since the world began is not what God kept secret since the world began (Acts 3:21 vs. Rom 16:25). Mixing mystery truth with the message prophesied to Israel has led to many doctrinal heresies and confusions.
Without understanding the mystery Christ revealed to Paul we cannot be faithful stewards of those mysteries, nor faithful ministers of Christ. 1 Cor 4:1-2
If we fail to understand the mystery of Christ revealed to Paul we can't obey the Lords greatest commission (Eph 3:8-9)
---michael_e on 7/14/14|
I think a church is out of order if they don't preach, at least once a year, 'What is salvation? What isn't salvation? How can I KNOW that I am saved? What about the goats and the sheep? Who is Jesus talking about when he refers to the ones who call Him Lord but He says He never knew them?
I think churches miss the boat when they don't do this and when they ONLY preach about grace and love, and not about wrath and justice.
After all, WHAT are we being 'saved' from???
There are a whole lot of folk living a wonderful life now without Christ and they will tell you so.
We can't preach and expect folk to understand the 'good' news, if they don't first understand and know about the 'bad' news!
---Jack on 7/14/14|
Mine hasn't. The message of salvation is wonderfully woven into every message the pastor preaches.
---Madison on 11/19/07|
Eloy, I am not in the US and I am a SDA christian. We welcome visitors at our all of churches, we preach the message of salvation, and end time message. We are a bible based church but you will read blogs on this site bloggin differently about us otherwise. Dont listen to hearsays. I was not inviting you to stay lol. But your most welcome to. Thanks 4 the reply and tis good to read your blogging too.God bless.
---jana on 10/8/06|
Notalaw99 --Is ALL of small town America getting a "corrupted" message in their churches? Should I drive 100 miles to find an M.Div., then depend on HIM to teach the truth? My pastor is a godly man. He cannot answer all my questions. But I can READ... the Bible, commentaries, studies and sermons of renowned scholars and clergy. I've also know of M.Divs (from recognized Mainline seminaries)who claim that Jesus was was not God. I know what you are saying, but your advice is most impractical.
---Donna2277 on 10/7/06|
and jesus said go first to seminary college ,then into all the world after you get your degree and ?????? oh yes a statement that a person needs a degree to win souls or present the gospel is DIRECTLY AGAINST SCRIPTURE.
---tom2 on 9/29/06|
jack you are WRONG. the apostles were never taught, or educated. the word was given to them and from all accounts after 3 years they learned nothing, cause they desserted jesus. the resurrection of christ and the holy spirit is what enabled peter and the other apostles.their degree came from revelation from above by the holy spirit.Degrees as I have said are NON BIBLICAL.AND TO ME USELESS.
---tom2 on 9/28/06|
Larrywms:If Jesus said to Peter Follow me & I will make you FISHERS of Men.He knew what He was saying & those fishermen's words Prove that to day.Similarly when he told Peterin Matt16;16-18 he knew what He was doing.His church is the centre of Controversy & stems from the prophecy in Genesis3:15the rancour & enmity is as clear as crystal glass.Each of us need to make a choice For or Against.Reflect before making that choice.Yet His church Flourishes.
---Emcee on 9/28/06|
Let's look at two passages; Acts 4:13-14 (where the high priest knew that Peter was unlearned) & Philippians 3:1-7 (where Paul says that he would count all loss to gain Christ). He had education, but didn't start casting out demons until after conversion. I have no degree, but God has lead me to things that I need to understand (i.e John 14 & its relation to the Hebrew tradition of the bride & groom). If heaven & earth will pass away but not Jesus' words, what's more important, a degree or His Words?
---larrywms. on 9/28/06|
One of the most powerful sermons ever preached, in Acts chapter 2, was done by a dumb old fisherman. Simon Peter should have maybe waited until he got his degree?
---mike on 9/28/06|
** only paul was educated the apostles were not. **
* W * R * O * N * G * !!!
The Apostles WERE educated.
They had three years of teaching at the feet and straight from the mouth of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
If that's not education, what is? (Usually a Th. M. is three years beyond a bachelor's.)
---Jack on 9/27/06|
Amen Tom2 and Eloy. The Holy Spirit is the one who teaches and leads us into all truth, not a degree...and yes, Jesus at age 12, astounded the "learned" since Jesus had the fullness of the Spirit. Isn't it great that God chooses and uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise? Just gotta Love God and His ways.
---christina on 9/27/06|
only paul was educated the apostles were not. they had no degrees in divinity and as far as I,am concerned the need for a degree to present jesus to the lost is a lie from the pit of HELL.jesus gave direct scripture contrary to such a statement and actually told his disciples that the holy spirit would be their teacher, not some seminary college.I have known both and beleive me degrees on a wall do not make a pastor,or evangelist,read the bible they are gifts of the spirit.not degrees of the spirit.
---tom2 on 9/27/06|
notlaw99, come to think of it, Moses whom was responsible for leading the Israelites to freedom, and delivered to man the 10 Commandments, was also unlearned in formal speaking. God Almighty delights in using those of low degree in order to make known to man his awesome power, for the wisdom of man is foolishness to God, and even a child will cast out devils and judge the Ministers.
---Eloy on 9/27/06|
notlaw99, many so-called leaders who hold degrees are not saved and completely devoid of any spirituality. Christ never went to a university, had no degree, but he is the only one who walked upon the water (and shared his power with Peter), and only he resurrected his self from the dead. So I'd follow a poor uncolleged peasant like Jesus Christ whom has the real power, and proves it; rather than follow any rich and spoiled rotten man who has much talk but zero power, and whom is also on his way to hell.
---Eloy on 9/27/06|
I agree with Mima.
---sal on 9/27/06|
notlaw99, you are either joking or simply without knowledge in this area.
---mima on 9/27/06|
It would be good for churches to allow evangelists to do more preaching. The are Gospel specialists. Where does it say that the pastor is supposed to preach all the time?
---john on 9/27/06|
I suggest everyone read: "FIRST-PERSON: Is church membership too easy?",May 31, 2005,By Todd E. Brady, Baptist Press. It talks about the reason Southern Baptists aren't as good in evangelism as they may not be saved themselves because church memebership is too easy. This was a study done by the Baptists.
---John_316 on 9/27/06|
Most mainline churches are doing an excellent job of presenting the message of salvation. It is some of the incompetent independents and pentecostals that are the problems with poor leadership and unqualified pastors. If you pastor does not have at a minimum of an Master of Divinity from a mainline seminary you are getting a corrupted message go some where else!!!
---notlaw99 on 9/27/06|
.jana, our church preaches the gospel. Thanks for your invite. May I ask what is the name and kind of your church, and where are you located?
---Eloy on 9/27/06|
Probably. They make movies instead now.
---Helen_5378 on 9/26/06|
I try not to judge Gods children. But I must say that to me most churches seem more like social gatherings today than coming together for praise and worship of our God.
---tom2 on 9/26/06|
Whoever wrote about the Methodist Church, I know just what you are saying. There are many churches where one can attend a lifetime and never hear the Gospel. The churches I attended as a child were like that (in the 40's, 50's, 60's) all mainline denominations. I was taught to be a "good" person, but was hungry for God and couldn't figure out why I was never quite able to reach Him.
---Donna2277 on 9/26/06|
Ramon, don't worry. There are two Rachels. Our posts appear together on same page. I think Cole said the same thing. We'll just have to figure out who's who.
---Rachel on 9/26/06|
I Did Not write the below message.Someone Using My Name.
---Ramon on 9/26/06|
I grew up in a Methodist church and I never heard anyone preach about salvation.
---Ramon on 9/26/06|
Eloy my brother in Christ, I gotta invite you to one of our churches near you. All you will hear about in our churches is the end time message boy and we have been preaching about it since the begining. Do come by, we'd love to have you with us and stay for lunch. Bring any questions you may wish to ask and we'll be very happy to answer you straight from the word of God..we look forward to seeing you brother, and be prepared for a good message. God bless.
---jana on 9/26/06|
pastors that preach in our churches here certainly preach about salvation and hell as well as the end time message.. it is a must. by the sound of things, america certainly need to wake up .. they were the blessed people of God but not any more...lets continue to pray for them brothers and sisters..Jesus said, "Love one another, just as I loved you"
---jana on 6/17/06|
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Local churches are places where people who have already accepted Christ meet, not unbelievers. Evangelism is reaching out to those who are outside of the church, yes they need to do more of that.
---lyndon on 9/29/05|
Dear Scott: If a church is not preaching the salvation message, then something is drastically wrong. Responding to Christ's message of a personal relationship with Jesus by having His love and life in our hearts is the central focus of Christianity. "If it is not taught, how shall they know?" Run from a church who does otherwise!!
---Elsie on 9/16/05|
It's pathetic how political our Churches are becoming. The other President is also a child of God. God's love for us is unconditional and so should our love for others. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. A lot of us are going to be eternally disappointed on Judgment day. Christians, we need to get out of our self righteous selves and start loving more and praying more for each other as the Bible commands. Gods coming soon people. WAKE UP!!!!
---Alice on 9/16/05|
It's pathetic how political our Churches are becoming. The other president is also a child of God. God's love for us is unconditional and so should our love for others. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23. A lot of us are going to be eternally disappointed on Judgment day. Christians, we need to get out of our self righteous selves and start loving more and praying more for each other as the Bible commands. God's coming soon people. WAKE UP!!!!
---Alice on 9/16/05|
Politics and religion don't mix. It shouldn't be in the churches to begin with. I know of some churches that won't let you in the door if you voted for the other president.
---Rebecca_D on 8/26/05|
Here in DC everything is political including the churches. They have gone from preaching the good news to preaching their political views on both sides of the spectrum. I now go to a small Episcopal church where I am fed spiritually ever Sunday. We save the politics for debate at the coffee hour.
---randy on 8/23/05|
emcee, i think the posting refers to the Christian churches, and not what other religions preach.
---Eloy on 8/23/05|
Eloy :All the Roman Catholic Churches do proclaim the gospels & readings every Sunday & a homily is based on those readings.Every sunday is different.the readings are selected & grouped & change once in 3 years.
---Emcee on 8/22/05|
Many have ceased propagating the gospel, and have chosen to speak smooth entertaining words to their own destruction. i've been inside of churches where the name of Jesus was not heard, and some will read nonChristian poems or from newspapers or other books from the pulpit, rather than from the Holy Bible.
---Eloy on 8/21/05|
A good pastor will be a preacher and a teacher. His preaching needs to get across the message that we are sinners in need of a saviour and that Jesus is that Saviour. His teaching needs to go further. We all need bible study, prayer and lessons in how a Christian should live their lives. Some Christians need to be taught real basics e.g. we should show good manners and give help where needed,in a very selfish world. Little things show much to others who are watching us.
---F.F. on 8/21/05|
Same here Madison. Our pastor teaches and preaches with balance. The salvation message is ALWAYS given, along with prayer, praise, and a sermon that is sometimes hard, but we must receive it along with the 'lighter' teaching.
---NVBarbara on 8/19/05|
I have found that alot of churches have started to entertain the people reather than preach the word of the lord ( give the people what they want and not what they need )
---DAVE on 8/19/05|
Scott, some stopped preaching salvation from sin generations ago! I was raised in one where I remember it being more comments on current news and psychology than the Bible.
But pastors need to be very careful: If they constantly preach sermons only on salvation instead of going through important books of Scripture verse by verse, they should be seen as one who's possibly more interested in populating a building with bodies instead of growing mature Believers for Christ!
---Daniel on 8/19/05|
I agree with all your reply's. Some churches do focus on music and alot of hipe. I have also been in churches that don't have alter call. it is also true that "some" pastor's look at thier calling as JOB more than a ministry to reach the dying and lost going to hell!!
---Scott on 8/19/05|
most of the churches just tickle ears with their special teams, singing teams, praise teams and anyother thing that will draw a crowd. When was the last time you heard a message on hell? If you hear a message on salvation, hell must be a part of it.
---shira_5965 on 8/19/05|
I'm starting to think so. I had the priviledge of taking so time away from my church and visiting probably a dozen churches. Most don't even have altar calls! What I believe is that a lot of pastors are there for the job and are truly not burdened and called for the mission of lost souls.
---Cathy_Y on 8/19/05|
For the most part, yes. Many "preachers" today feel that they have to entertain the people to get the numbers they need to make their church grow. They act like the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a commodity that has to be marketed, and that it won't appeal to people unless it is packaged properly. Why depend on the Holy Spirit, let's just have a marketing blitz.
---tommy3007 on 8/19/05|
No, but the eccence of the preaching is focussing more on the outerman. Prosperity, healing and riches which is ungodly.
---maryah on 8/19/05|
Yes... Preachers are affraid they will get sued if they preach the salvation message.
---NaHoKa on 8/19/05|
I think the secular climate of "political correctness" has infiltrated some churches. I have observed that an alarming number of professing christians are not interested in what God's word says. As the Bible said, the preaching of the cross are to them that perish, foolishness. People are indeed heaping to themselves teachers having itching ears. People pleasers. I pray we get back to preaching the cross, and hell hot!
---linda8744 on 8/19/05|
Many churches certainly have stopped preaching the salvation message and many no longer mention the 2 words we need to hear to understand that we need to be saved. SIN and HELL. Some churches deliberately avoid these words because they 'keep people out of church'. Thankfully not all churches are at all like that and there are still some courageous preachers prepared to to 'tell it as it is'. These are the churches that will grow I am sure and the others will fail. God will not be mocked.
---Xanthi on 8/19/05|
Your ref. to "our churches" is a bit too broad but in my church the "salvation message" is
central to all we stand and live for, sharing with others the Good News that we are "saved by grace through faith"which means that we
don't just verbalize our faith but act it out by doing what God asks us to do to show Him our love for His precious gift.
---Pierr7958 on 8/18/05|
Alot of them are afraid of preaching on hell because it doesn't tickle people's ears. My Pastor is bold, he sticks with God's word and he preaches on hell. I don't think I could go to a church that didn't preach on salvation. No wonder people are confused, one preacher doesn't preach on hell, and pats them on the back for living like hell, and the next preacher is preaching on hell and if you don't have Jesus you go to hell.
---Rebecca_D on 8/18/05|
My church emphasizes evangelism. It is our 'heartbeat', with the church's name including the word 'Harvest'. People are saved during the week and on Sundays EVERY WEEK. Obeying Jesus' command of the great commission is heavily stressed at our church. We as members (not just the pastors) are encouraged to share the gospel at any opportunity we come across. My pastor has written several gospel tracts to distribute. So, these type churches may not be common, but they do exist.
---lisa8668 on 8/18/05|