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Need scripture help regarding Trinty. Trying to help husband understand; but he wants scripture to "see" that we are to worship Jesus as we do God. I am a new Christian and believe in Trinty; but don't know where to direct him to.

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Jhonny there is much in the Bible where God doesn't explain the details. Maybe as fallen man we don't have the mental capacity to understand? In Romans 11:34 Paul quotes Isaiah 40:13 'Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been His counsellor?'

The idea that one God could be Father, Son, & Holy Spirit is indeed a mystery to falible man, but true none the less.
---Warwick on 7/3/07

(From CMI): 1 Cor. 8:6, Paul applies Shema of Deut. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." Paul uses the key phrase "one Lord", applies it to Jesus Christ, thus including Jesus in the divine identity. Also, phrases "of/by whom all things" are typical Jewish formulations that express God's relationship to creation. Cf. Jewish concept of Wisdom, God's attribute, as God's tool for creation--still retaining monotheism by including Jesus within the divine identity.
---Ktisophilos on 7/2/07

Eloy, it's your mentality that gives Christians a bad name for rejecting the mind. Jesus commanded us to love God with our ... mind (Matt. 22:36-38), and God told Isaiah, "come, let us reason together" (Is. 1:18). Paul told us to renew our minds (Rom. 12:2).

The ministerial use of reason, i.e. reason submitting to Scripture, is fine. The problem is only with magisterial use of reason, when reason stands over Scripture like a magistrate and judges it.
---Ktisophilos on 7/2/07

From Creation Ministries International site:

The Bible reveals, God is love (1 John 4:8,16). This is so distinctive of the Christian faith, and means that love is part of Gods very nature, even before He created anything. But love requires at least two personsself-love is not really love at all. So there must be at least two persons in the Godhead. If God were only one person, then love could not be part of His nature, and could exist only if God created other beings.
---Ktisophilos on 7/2/07

Love is even greater when the love between two persons is not restricted to themselves, but is combined and directed towards another. E.g. a family, where the husband and wife love each other, and also combine their love towards their child. For God to exemplify love in its fullest, there must be three Persons, so there is both individual and collective love. >3 is unnecessary for collective love, because it would just increase the number of persons involved, not the nature of the love.
---Ktisophilos on 7/2/07

Warwick. This is the same old con. Somehow God is holding out. There's secret information he doesn't want you to know. he's hiding the truth. And here it is again. "Brilliant minds have tried to comprehend the Trinity & failed so maybe not being brilliant I can have a go."
---jhonny on 6/25/07

ktisophilos, planes crash at intersections. Over-analyzing Jesus will bring you into doubt. Jesus is God, pure and simple. He came down and put on flesh in order to become as those whom he created, and to be sacrificed in order to redeem those in the flesh.
---Eloy on 6/25/07

Jesus is called "the exact representation of God" in Heb. 1:3. The Greek word charakter meant a two-dimensional impression of someone like the Emperor. You would know exactly what the emperor looked like from the charakter, cf. "he who has seen me has seen the Father".

A 2D representation is an intersection of 3D with a plane; Jesus is the intersection of the Godhead with the "plane" of humanity.
---Ktisophilos on 6/24/07

The Church Fathers taught that the Father and Son were related as the sun and its light. The Father sends the Son just as the sun sends the light, but the sun doesn't exist without the light. (Remember, they believed that the sun and its light were created simultaneously on Day 4, so neither existed without the other).

Thus it is impossible to honour the Father without honouring the Son (John 5:23). This entails believing that the Son is God (Heb 1:8).
---Ktisophilos on 6/24/07

Brilliant minds have tried to comprehend the Trinity & failed so maybe not being brilliant I can have a go.

Our universe-is one universe made of three very different components- space, matter & time. Three individual things make up the one universe. They can't exist on their own.

We will never confuse space, with time, or matter with space but the universe exists as one entity composed of three individual totally interdependant parts.

A perfect explanation? I doubt it but it's mine.
---Warwick on 6/23/07

Matthew, Most do not know God, for they refuse to come to him and get to know him. Therefore all that they have to say about whom they "think" is God is just that, "thoughts", "opinions", "theories", and bits of verses taken out of context called "religion". Yet the truth is, they really do not know him nor have they seen him nor have they at all talked with him. But we whom are his very own indeed know are God, and we both see him and we talk with him.
---Eloy on 6/23/07

Eloy, after knowing that this is Jesus own words and then knowing Jesus never stopped one person from woshipping Him and in many ways encouraged it, it baffles me how someone can still reject Jesus is God(not the Father). It seems most want to try to reason it out with logic which is a big no no. Can logic explain the Red Sea departing? Water turning into wine? Of course not, yet logic is embraced when confronted with the evidence Jesus is Divine. Why?
---Matthew on 6/22/07

JOhn 8
58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

"I am" is one of God's most memorable self appointed title's.
---Matthew on 6/22/07

Before Jesus said that,in John 8 he said...

56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

What day was that? When God appeared to Abraham. Read Genesis 18(special notice to verse 1) that is the day the Lord appeared to Abraham and it was a wonderful day for Abraham.
---Matthew on 6/22/07

Gensis 1:26
"Then God [elohim a plural word] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness"

Isaiah 6:8
"Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?""
---Matthew on 6/22/07

Mom's metaphor: The trinity is like an orange. Jesus is the peel, The father is the fruit, the Holy Spirit is the juice, and God's word is the seeds. It is one piece of fruit, but has various parts to it. You must go through the peel to get to the fruit. One has to go through Jesus to get to the Father, as they are one. Hope that helps! God bless, and I pray God teaches you swiftly of his love and wisdom.
---Katie on 6/22/07

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Hi Amber, for simplicity's sake, start with the gospel, and read what Jesus himself professed. That is, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Although not scriptural as your husband requested, I have a metaphor of sorts that my mom uses to explain it. Couple it with the gospel, and let the Holy Spirit do the rest. We can only offer the truth of God's word. It is the Holy Spirit who woos man to the Father. My metaphor to be continued in my next reply.
---Katie on 6/22/07

There is only one Lord, and his name is Jesus. When the devil tempted Jesus, "Then said Jesus to him, Go Satan, for it is written, Your Lord God will you worship, and him only will you serve." Matthew 4:10. Jesus is the Lord God who is worshipped in the Bible. Please read Matthew 2:11; 4:10; 8:2,3; 28:9; Mark 4:37-41; Luke 7:37-50; 24:51,52; John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16,17; 2:9; I Timothy 3:16.
---Eloy on 6/22/07

Okay! I'll read them later!
---Carla5754 on 6/22/07

Catherine if I may share this opinion. Your execrations against MikeM over this trinity doctrine are disturbing. Your position of trinity or hell to MikeM is out of order. A reflection of something disarranged by confusion, agitated by this doctrine.
---jhonny on 6/21/07

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Trinity is a non Biblical hoax. Holy Spirit is the Power of God. The trinity serves to obscure and hide the Bible truth that God is a Family, and our purpose is to be born into it. We are to become true and literal sons and daughters of God. This life is to build perfect Godly character and love. Much real estate in the universe to develop and God needs a big family to help Him with it. "He is the firstborn among many brethren." Paul said of Christ.
---James on 6/21/07

Jesus, there the trinity is explained, as trinitarians have made up the word it is nowhere in the Bible. There is the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. These three are one in Spirit.
---MARK_N on 6/21/07

Hi, Carla . . . if you're saying I need to give scriptures . . . I already gave some, w - a - y down toward the bottom of this thread. What I just gave is just a follow-up.

But about Jesus not being conceited > He says He is "lowly in heart", in Matthew 11:29 > I understand that "lowly in heart" means HUMBLE; so Jesus is humble, all-loving, and "therefore" not conceited about how He is so superior to us humans.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/21/07

Also, Jesus says "He who has seen Me has seen the Father", in John 14:9 > and Jesus is HUMBLE (lowly in heart); so by seeing how Jesus is humble, we can see, also, that our Father is HUMBLE > NOT conceited, not distant, but personally interested in each of us.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/21/07

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So, DOES God desire to be personally involved with EACH of us? Our Apostle Paul shares, "But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him." (1 Corinthians 6:17) So, it does look like a Christian is a person who has been "joined" to God's own Holy Spirit > THIS is VERY personally involved . . . to be "one spirit with Him." So, God DOES want to be THIS intimate with EACH of us "one spirit with Him." So, He is NOT distant, but THIS personal with His children.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/21/07

And we have, "But we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin." (Hebrews 4:15)

So, I can offer that Jesus went through things we go through, here on earth, so now He can feel for us and help us with what helped Him. He was this interested in us, that He left Heaven, itself, in order to come and share with us, like this.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/21/07

Respectfully bill bila,
---Carla5754 on 6/21/07

There was not one single scripture to back up those whole heap of opinions , come on we may not all have a degree but even at school you have to quote book and author if you want to gain a good grade and prove you have an understanding of what YOU wrote!
---Carla5754 on 6/21/07

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Logic is a bad direction to go in. Just believe what the Bible says. Mere man shoudln't be able to understand the things of God.
---Matthew on 6/21/07

Those who do not believe are already condemned. Salvation is so much more that believing, For Satan also believes. God did not come to save this world. Neither did He come to bring peace but to bring trouble. Trouble between God's people and Satan's people. Peace between God and man, He came for, But only through His son. And there can only be peace between man and man, But only through Jesus Christ, His Son, who died only for His chosen few.++ Universal Salvation is false.
---catherine on 6/21/07

So, pagan and religiously apostate people can relate to Jesus being God. God came in the Person of Jesus to relate with us at our level, and rescue us to His level...of LOVE > how He has us loving.

Like a lifeguard going to where a drowning person is.

If wrong people say the Bible is God's word, this does not stop me from considering the Bible to be God's word. If ones paganistic can know Jesus is God, this won't stop me from believing this.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/21/07

Jesus is not conceited; so He came to earth as a human, to reach us at our level. Jesus associated even with Pharisee hypocrites, and with pagans . . . knowing He would be considered not to be God if He associates with sinners.

But God is not conceited, not out there somewhere and distant, conceited about His superiority. But by coming here in the Person of Jesus, God shows how He wants to be personally involved with each of us humans.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/21/07

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If you have a theology that says Jesus is the Father then therefore there is no Father And there can be no Son because a Son cannot be his own Father, If Jesus is the Father how can he be one being and refer to himself as (us). Jesus is the salvation of the Father God's ark, he has given us the doctrine of the Son of God so through that belief we might be saved, to take away that belief is calling God a liar and we forfeit our salvation for a vain Idea.
---exzucuh on 6/21/07

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
Jesus is asking a direct question,Do you believe that he the Son is in the Father?

the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
The Son is Speaking but it is the Father's word not his.

but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
The Father is the one that is doing all these things he abides in Jesus. he is talking about the Holy Spirit
---exzucuh on 6/21/07

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto
you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

The Father is Greater than the Son because he is his Father,
---exzucuh on 6/21/07

Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

Jesus Spirit is the Spirit of the Son, only his Spirit will cry Abba the Holy Spirit had already left Jesus that is why he said Father
why have you left me. The Father is the Holy Spirit and if you did not believe in that Idolatrous third person theory you would know that.
---exzucuh on 6/21/07

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John 17:21 thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in ( us: ) that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let ( us ) make man in ( our ) image, after our likeness:

The Father is not the Son and the Son is Not the Father but the Son is equal with the Father because he is his Son, but he must serve the Father because he is the Son and because he willingly obeys the Father the Father gives the Son all power
---exzucuh on 6/21/07

And may we add Andy. They tore off his skin. Great effort has been made to cover this up.

Psa 22:17 I can count all my bones;

people stare and gloat over me.
---jhonny on 6/20/07

I beg your pardon, MikeM>> If the blessed Trinity is a pagan as you claime, Then I am not saved and I have never heard my Savior's voice and I am just like you, God forbid, On my way to HELL. And all this change in me is only my imagination. I am not crazy. I know my Savior lives. Jesus is helping me right now. Someday you will wish He was helping you. It will be no picnic in Hell, I can promise you that.
---catherine on 6/20/07

for god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son for who so ever belieth in him shall parish but have eternity life for god sent not his son in the world to condem it but to save the world wich means the people like you n me he loves us so much that he was beatin spent on stabed and forced to drag heavy cross for miles and a crown of thorns on his head and nailed to cross where he died for you n me salvation
---andy on 6/20/07

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The trinity ia a pagan concept, brought into the Roman Church by the Hellenstic culture around it.
---MikeM on 6/20/07

Exzu, Bless you! IT said so in the word of God

I BELIEVE IT and that SETTLES IT. NO man cannot fathom God or indeed understand him, because they reject his divine word as complete. But ''Christ who was SENT BY HIM'' extensive searches on a man-made concept validated by the fact that men unannointed wrote those concepts. Another gospel my ears are not willing to accept.
---Carla5754 on 6/20/07

Exzucuh, many believed Jesus was God way before the council of Nicea. Please research the names I have given. They all wrote about Chirst's divnity. They all died before the Council of Nicea was established.
You can google each name and add "Christ divine." The trinity doctrine started at the council of Nicea but not the idea that Jesus is God.
---Matthew on 6/20/07

Deut 32:39

39See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

John 8:24 . . . if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

Isaiah 40:8 . . . the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
---Matthew on 6/20/07

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Isaiah 62:5 For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God...

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord:...and my glory will I not give to another

John 17:5 Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
---Matthew on 6/20/07

Ezekiel 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, . . .

Luke 19:10
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Deut 10:17 For the Lord your God {is} God of Gods, and Lord of Lords, a great God, . . .

Revelation 17:14 . . . the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: . .
---Matthew on 6/20/07

Psalm 24:10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.

1 Corinthians 2:8 . . . had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

John 3:31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
---Matthew on 6/20/07

Revleation 22:13-16
13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his(the Father) commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
---Matthew on 6/20/07

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Romans 8:9 . . . the Spirit of God . . .
Romans 8:9 . . . the Spirit of Christ . . .
Galations 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son(the Holy Spirit) into your hearts, . . .

Revelation 22:6 . . . the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel . . .

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches . . .

Exact same angel.
---Matthew on 6/20/07

Titus 1:1 Paul, a servant of God, . . .

Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him:....Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, . .
---Matthew on 6/20/07

Jesus "is the image of God" . . . like how an image of gold has nothing but gold in it . . . there is nothing but God in that image. But there is also gold elsewhere, and God is elsewhere, also.

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us." (Romans 5:5) Only God can be the Spirit of His own love.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/19/07

As written in the year of the rein of Constantine by Eusibus Pamphili historian of the church
No language is sufficient to express the origin and worth, the being and the nature of Christ
Wherefore also the divine Spirit says in the prophecies Who shall declare his generation?
For none knoweth the Father except the Son.
neither can anyone know the Son adequately except the Father alone who hath begotten him.
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

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For alone who besides the Father could clearly understand light which was before the world, The intellectual and essential wisdom which existed before the ages, the living Word which was in the beginning with the Father and which was God, the First and only begotten of God which was before every creature and creation visible and invisible,
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

the commander in chief of the rational and immortal host of heaven, the messenger of the great council.the executor of the Fathers unspoken will, the creator, with the Father,
of all things, the second cause of the universe after the Father, the true and only begotten Son of God. The one who has received dominion and power, with divinity itself, and with might and honor from the Father
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

AS you see these are the words of the renown teacher and historian of the church of Jesus Christ Eusibus Pamphili he was alive at the time of Constantine and the Council of Nicaea
At this time a great struggle was in the church leading to a division over the two concepts of the Godhead, the teachings of Eusibus was what he had received by the original teachings of the Apostles, he was not moved by the great revelation of his day concerning the Godhead. He believed in the Father and the Son.
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

What you must take into consideration is do you really understand what I am telling you, do you not know that God gives men over to their Idolatrous beliefs and allows them to be lost because of their rebellion. I do not support any Godhead doctrine only the word of God as comes out of the mouth of the Son of God concerning himself and his Father any descriptive language used to explain the Godhead only adds to and takes away from God's word bringing a curse upon those who believe it.
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

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amber - truth comes by revelation knowledge. That means that God has to reveal to your husband the revelation on the Trinity. Because the natural mind cannot understand the things of God because they are spiritual. Your husband's carnal mind cannot comprehend the Trinity. God has to reveal it to him through His Holy Spirit. How can carnality explain spiritual things?
---Anonymous on 6/19/07

Exzucuh, I remeber before you said the Trinity started at the Coucil of Nicea, which is true but the concept started immediately after Christ. Please research these people who lived before the council of Nicea and preached Jesus is God. Some of these people rejected the concept, calling it heretical, and through more study later adopted it.
---Matthew on 6/19/07


Ignatious of Antioch 35-107AD
Justin Martyr 100-165 AD
Theophilius Wrote a in 181AD
Irenaeus Wrote in 189AD
Tertullian 155-230AD
Origen 185-254AD
Hippolytus Wrote in 228AD
Novation Wrote in 235AD
Dionysius Wrote in 262AD
Gregory Thaumaturgus 213-217AD

---Matthew on 6/19/07

There are many more people who preached Jesus is God. There are numerous writings about Jesus being God written before the Council of Nicea was ever established.
Remember, "trinity" started at the council of NIcea but not some of it's ideas.
---Matthew on 6/19/07

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*Jesus was with God from the Beginning. he came from the Father and returned.*

Did you get this from John 1?

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning.

You believe everything here except what I bolded. Why Exzucuh? I say if the existence of God and how he works is not a mystery and instead "simple" there is a problem. How in the world can a mere man understand how God exists?
---Matthew on 6/19/07

*This voice is to you Trinitarians to let you know there is a Father and a Son that the one true God the Father that sent his Son bears witness of Him.*

Exzucuh do you not realize that this is taught in the trinity doctrine? This is nothing new to the trinitarian.
---Matthew on 6/19/07

Christ is the express image of His Father.
---catherine on 6/19/07


When I refer to my son and I, I use the term us.

Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who made us fit to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;

Colossians 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love;

Colossians 1:15 who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

eikwn i-kone'
a likeness, i.e. (literally)
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

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Jesus was with God from the Beginning. he came from the Father and returned.

Colossians 1:16-18 For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things are held together. He is the head of the body, the assembly, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.
John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

John 12:28 Father, glorify your name!" Then there came a voice out of the sky, saying, "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."
John 12:30 Jesus answered, "This voice hasn't come for my sake, but for your sakes.

This voice is to you Trinitarians to let you know there is a Father and a Son that the one true God the Father that sent his Son bears witness of Him.
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

1 John 5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
The Father Spoke audibly from heaven to bear record, The word came from heaven to the prophets that foretold of his coming and the Holy Ghost came down and bear record on the Day of Pentecost that the Son of God was sitting on his Fathers throne.
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

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Catholics pray to mary Jesus did not say to do that, neither did he say pray to a Trinity, he said Pray in this manner Our Father,
---exzucuh on 6/19/07

Amen, Catherine. I would like to lay out every other passage where God referred to Himself as "Us."

Before I list them is important to note that we are told Jesus is the image of God. Not made in His image(important).

"see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. " 2 Corinthians 4:4

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. " Colossians 1:15
---Matthew on 6/18/07

Genesis 1:26

26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:22
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
---Matthew on 6/18/07

Genesis 11
7Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.

8So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

9Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
---Matthew on 6/18/07

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It's also important to mention that the word Elohim(the Hebrew word for God) is actually a plural word. The "im" is a Hebrew suffix for pluralization.

That truth has been argued, but then there are convincing arguement for every truth in the BIble: conditional salvation,rapture,eternal hell, baptism of Holy Spirit is a seperate event from conversion etc.
---Matthew on 6/18/07

Exzucuh. You are right. "You don't need the Trinity to convince your husband, you need the Holy Spirit.."
A person I know, I would call a friend, as we discuss the bible and other issues, is leaving a girl he "loves", because she doesn't believe this doctrine. He refers now to his "love" as an addiction for which he gets help,-to break the relationship.
My point of sorts: The doctrine is divisive to relationships. BQ"Need scripture help regarding Trinty."
---jhonny on 6/18/07

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