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What do you think of Pat Robertson's latest un-Christian remarks about killing another human being?

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Anyone who is in the spot light as much as this man is apt to make a mistake once in awhile. he is a wonderful teacher and has a proven christian record that the liberal media hates and jumps at him at every opportunity. I suggest we christians do better by him.
---Andrea on 8/7/07

Isaiah 52:14 As many were astonished at you, so his appearance was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

Jesus suffered more than any man ever suffered.
---exzucuh on 8/7/07

Why are Christians so uptight and unforgiving? Christians make mistakes all of the time. We slip up and say things we should not. What do you bloggers think forgiveness, confession and repentance is all about? God is a merciful and forgiving God. When we make mistakes and bad judgments. We should sincerely ask for forgiveness and God will forgive. Read I John chapter 1 vs9. The entire chapter would do us all good.
---Robyn on 8/7/07

What some have said about Eloy can certainly be true about me. So, I can take what is said about others as a warning from God about how I need to do better.

Whatever I expect of Pat is how *I* should be, including, "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

Not just when I get caught (O:}
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/7/07

Jesus will not forsake Pat Robertson no more than he did Peter for trying to kill someone coming against Jesus. It it time that people realize that there is more to Jesus than you know, the same Jesus said in revelation, I will kill your children with death. And that he will rule the nations with a rod of iron.
---exzucuh on 8/7/07

"....and i believe every word i post about myself, because it is the absolute truth."
Eloy on 9/10/05
And, you sir, have a very deceived audience.....
---Elder on 8/7/07

He only said out loud what a lot of people were thinking. His point being that a lot of lives might be saved. Is it wrong to kill during war? Pat is just saying that if someone killed him it might avoid a bigger disaster. Although I don't support assassination I wish someone would get the Pres of Iran. If someone had gotten Saddam we might not be there. Or maybe we would.
---Andrea on 8/7/07

I dont think Pat meant it. The media just twisted the whole thing.He kida meant if someone keeps saying you dont help them and you are the one who is paying the rent and for food then kick them outside and see what they will say now that they are all alone.
---becky on 8/7/07

Finally, if he gets caught saying something un-Christian on national television, tell him to be honest about it and admit he did it.
---Madison on 9/28/05

Anonymous: When a minister of the gospel of Jesus goes on national television and says someone should be killed, that is wrong. If you don't want the liberal media to have a feeding frenzy on your friend, Pat Robertson, tell him to watch what he says on national television. Also, remind him that Jesus says the second great commandment is to love one another, and that includes national leaders that he may not like.
---Madison on 9/28/05

Pat lied and tried to cover up what he said, it had nothing to do with the liberal media. I saw the tape as much of the country did and his intent was obvious. Not words from a supposed man of peace. Only when confronted with the truth did he say he was wrong. This is a pretty consistent pattern for him for backtracking on things he has said. If he is nothing but a talking head, like you suggest, he needs to get new writers.
---randy on 9/28/05

First of all, why hasn't anybody answered this question about Pat Robertson's remarks about "so-called" assassination? No man or woman is perfect in their words but held to what is maybe said or maybe written by them. How many of us have live comments recorded? I have known the family for 29 years, as well as my best friend's family has, and their neighbor much longer. Don't believe the liberal press! "Judge not lest ye be judged!"
---Anonymous on 9/27/05

Amazing how quickly this blog degenerated from being comment on the remarks to insults being traded between CN members!
And in some cases it is not clear what people's thoughts are on the question anyway.
There is little Christian love evident here, and what hurt is caused one upon another
---alan8869_of_UK on 9/26/05

Eloy - I apologize for not being clear ... I wasn't trying to say Jesus "died of sickness". I was referring to Matthew 8:17 which, referring to Jesus' crucifixion, says - "HE took up our infirmities & carried our diseases."

The Amplified Bible says - "HE Himself took [in order to carry away] our weaknesses & infirmities & bore away our diseases."

According to Strong's, Jesus took sickness upon Himself in order to carry it away. (See also Isaiah 53:4,5)
---DoryLory on 9/11/05

Eloy - That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare [our] sicknesses. Matthew 8:17. (KJV)
---Xanthi on 9/11/05

Eloy: When did YOU carry the sins of all mankind, past, present and future, on you, and suffer their punishment? When were you beaten to a bloody pulp for something you did not do? When did you suffer separation from the Father as atonement for my sins? When you have done all that, then you can tell me you have suffered more than Christ.
---Madison on 9/11/05

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Dory Lory, you are right when you say that Jesus died for the sins of others, but you're wrong when you say he died of sickness. He healed the people who came to him of their sickness, but he himself remained healthy. Their's no sickness in Jesus, none in God, only perfect health.
---Eloy on 9/10/05

Madison, i have no reason in the world to not believe the truth. And i am of a sound mind, and can clearly distinguish truth from fantasy. i always compare myself and my real life experiences to my Lord, and i believe every word i post about myself, because it is the absolute truth.
---Eloy on 9/10/05

Mary, i preach truth. John was beheaded, but Jesus never had a broken bone. He was never sexually abused; he never lost a job for his faith; he never lost a beloved wife, nor had his children kidnapped. He never had to pay extortion, etc. i'm not demeaning Jesus' very real and legitimate suffering, but the truth is many have suffered much more then he has. It's documented history that many christians suffer their whole long entire life, but i'm not diminishing Jesus' 33 years total of suffering on earth.
---Eloy on 9/10/05

Eloy - RE: "Many have suffered more than Christ"

Your Savior bore the weight of EVERY sin ever committed (from the beginning of time until the end of time) on the cross ... every one. He bore EVERY sickness and EVERY disease while hanging on the cross (Matthew 8:17). That means He literally bore cancer (every type of cancer) in His body. He bore aids and every kind of virus in His body. He bore every disease and sickness known to mankind in His physical body.
---DoryLory on 9/10/05

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The cross alone would have been terrible enough but first He was beaten to a pulp and then while hanging on that piece of wood, pierced and bleeding for you and me, He carried every sin and every sickness and disease.

The Bible says that He was disfigured beyond that of ANY man, that his appearance was so marred that He no longer looked liked a human being (Isaiah 52:14).

According to Scripture you are gravely mistaken.
---DoryLory on 9/10/05

Eloy: I think you have delusions of grandiosity. Do you really believe the stuff you post about yourself?
---Madison on 9/9/05

Suffered more than Christ? Our sufferings don't compare to His.He suffered for us. He was without sin. He has borne our griefs and sorrows and the chastisement for our peace was on Him. I have never sweated drops of blood, I have never taken the sins of the world upon myself, I didn't die for sinners. Nobody will get healed from the stripes on my back. All suffer but Jesus suffered more and for a far greater purpose. It's not about us,it's all about Him, I know you know that.
---chera on 9/9/05

Christ suffered for us because we are the sinners.

And still, there are plenty out there who play God.
---Rose on 9/9/05

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Eloy- Why don't you give it a rest. You lost your credability here with most. How do you know others suffered more than Jesus? He had the weight of the world on his sholders. He suffered for all of our sins! My friend who has been in the Lord for many years saw your comments and couldn't believe it. Maybe you can fool the weak.
---Mary on 9/9/05

Many have suffered more than Christ, but this does not belittle Christ's sufferings; many think that they're saved because they were told, but their fruits (works) betray them: "for out of the mouth the heart speaks, and you will know them by their fruits (words & actions). The tree is known by its fruit: an evil tree cannot produce good fruit, and a good tree cannot produce evil fruit." Salvation is a complete rebirth in Christ, and has nothing to do with religion or having mental ascent.
---Eloy on 9/9/05

Whether you are saved or not it is between you and God.

What ever the ill comments you received, they will be accountable to God.

So, do not at anytime bring yourself down to the same level of "such Christians" by fighting with them over this matter as this will bring you no benefit.

Please forgive them and turned a deaf ear to all wicked tongues.Pray to God for His mercy upon them.
---t3 on 9/8/05

Do not let unChrist-like comments weary you because you know the Truth and you are a child of God.

When Jesus was humiliated and challenged on the cross to prove His power to free Himself. He never needed to respond.

God bless you.
---Mirror on 9/8/05

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Mirror: I appreciate what you are saying. I just know that I grow weary of being told I am not a Christian, or that I am not a member of the body of Christ by someone here. This person has repeatedly referred to me as an unbeliever. Now he says that his suffering here on Earth is greater than that of our Lord's on the cross. I feel sorry for him, but I wish he would just stop telling people I am not saved.
---Madison on 9/8/05

We always pray and ask God to have mercy upon us and to forgive our sins.

So, when Pat Robertson has done a mistake why can you forgive him? Our God is merciful and forgiving and I have no doubt that God has forgiven Pat when he repented.

By the way, when someone claimed that he suffered more than Christ, please forgive his statement because he knows not what he says or do, although, I too have doubts in a Christian who challenged our Lord that way.
---Mirror on 9/8/05

Darlene, there's alot of unsaved bloggers here who don't like the light. But i'm used to it, and i just do my best to lead them aright.
---Eloy on 9/8/05

joy, you have a nice name. i correct you, i have never condemned Pat Robertson. But thank you for your compliments.
---Eloy on 9/8/05

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Joy: Save your breath. In another blog, Eloy has stated that he has suffered more than Job and Jesus. He also has instructed me that I am not qualified to give him any encouragement or exhortation because, according to Eloy, I am not a member of the body of Christ. He seems to think pretty highly of himself. I have been saved since 1974. Only God can tell me I am not a member of His body.
---Madison on 9/7/05

So it's ok for you Eloy to condem Pat Robertson and others but we dare not correct you! Your in your own little world and you like it. There are other real Christians that can see right through you. I have seen this before and unchecked it can be terrible for you and others. I'm thinking that you are disillusioned or reprobate. I don't mean this to put you down, God forbid but you need to come to the full grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ. You give yourself too much glory.
---Joy on 9/7/05

Eloy,thanks for answering,it wasn't clear to me and it's better to be sure.I've been sick and some of it seems to have escaped me.Perhaps just a senior moment.Ha Ha.The Bible says to judge ourselves and we wouldn't have to be judged.I think if everyone did that we would all be beter off walking more in the Spirit than the World.God Bless.
---Darlene_1 on 9/7/05

Darlene, i already clarified what i meant earlier in citing the passage John 14:18-20. We true children of God are spoken against derogatorily by the unregenerate. Just as the unsaved wrongly accused Jesus calling him a sinner and possessed by the devil, so we too of his household are maligned likewise.
---Eloy on 9/7/05

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You are wise in your own eyes and have to learn love.
---Rebbeca on 9/6/05

The heart of man is wickedly deceitful, this is scriptural. When we are "born again" our spirit is alive in Christ, but our mind still remembers the other kingdom, which is why we need to be transformed by the renewing of our minds. As we read and hear the Word we become persuaded of the truth, and wonderful things happen. Our battle is not against each other it spiritually discerned and fought. Abba loves us in spite of ourselves lets act like Daddy and love one another.
---chera3744 on 9/6/05

Eloy,please clarify what you are relating to,tongues wagging against a child of God? When any Christian makes a nonChristian remark in public they ask for backlash on their behavior.We are held to the light of the Word of God as our judge and if we don't line up with it we fail the test.Our opinions mean nothing but the Word means truth .Anyone who doesn't walk in that Word daily appears to fall into the example in Revelations,to be hot or cold,lukewarm is spewed out of God's mouth.
---Darlene_1 on 9/6/05

I believe those were statements given to show that we are not part of a Christian system of government. The government did that until sometime in the 1960s or 70s and because we stopped that in our government, guess what happened?
---gregg on 9/6/05

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Peter, i agree with you. It is sin for all these tongues wagging (even from so-called christians) against a child of God, but Jesus said this will happen to us, and that we can expect to be treated just like he was treated. But i'm used to it. Please read John 14:18-20.
---Eloy on 9/6/05

God won't hear your judgmental prayers. Please read Luke 18:9-14.
---Eloy on 9/6/05

joy, i'm not responsible for randy returning, he is. We each are individually responsible for our relationship with God, and cannot blame any other person for our lack thereof. If i judged others for my own failure to have a right relationship with God or attend church or read the Bible, or any other christian things, then i would be wrong and solely irresponsible. So if he leaves, he leaves of his own will, not mine. And if he returns, he returns of his own will, and not mine.
---Eloy on 9/6/05

I have served the Lord for many years, probably more years than most of you have been around. I have been through tremendous trials in my life and the Lord has brought me through them. To be honest, I was very proud in my own rightousness, even though I was active in the church, untill I was in my 30's, then things changed. Eloy- It doesn't matter if Randy or his friend hates you or not. I will pray that the Lord gives you humility and then wisdom.
---Harold on 9/6/05

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I see a lot of self rightousness here. This is not good.
---Peter on 9/6/05

I think that you blew it Eloy. I don't think Randy is coming back.
---Joy on 9/6/05

Randy, it has nothing to do with me whether you go to church or not, that's your choice. i have no self-righteousness, for i have Christ-righteousness given to me of Christ. i'm not concerned if anyone hates me, because there is one who loves me, and my standing with him is all that counts to me, and he was hated also. So you're free to hate me, it's all yours, but i won't reciprocate it. As far as witnessing, i personally have led many to salvation, and many more to rededicating their lives to Christ.
---Eloy on 9/5/05

Karen, i'm not a closet christian, nor will i ever hide my light under a bushel. i am commanded to preach and hold up the one and only right standard, and if you are a real christian then you are commanded to do the same: for there is a right and there is a wrong: i proclaim this, and this is not pride, instead it's called obedient and faithful righteousness.
---Eloy on 9/5/05

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Randy: I have two sons who hate Christians because of things that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell say. They have accepted Christ as their savior, but do not attend churches that are considered conservative. They have told me they do not see love in the statements these men make. Neither do I. I thought love was supposed to be the greatest Christian attribute, yet it is lacking in so many vocal ministers today.
---Madison on 9/5/05

Eloy. Your the reason I don't go to church anymore. Your self rightous in your own eyes but that's not the way it really is. I have an unsaved friend who hates people like you. I sure wouldn't want you to witness to him. I wouldn't even mention you to him. I'm out.
---Randy on 9/5/05

Boy Eloy, are you in for a surprise! Pride comes before a fall.
---Karen on 9/5/05

i along with the Holy Spirit, will condemn every false tongue and every false way, especially any minister who leads others astray into falsehood.
---Eloy on 9/4/05

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I agree with Mirror.

Over some years being a member in this forum, I still see some similar members/responses "hiding in silence" over their accusations and judgemental attitude repeatedly.

Some were so quick to judge and smell fires too in their responses. When truth were revealed after, they never bothered to humble themselves like Pat Robertson did and further to that, they dared cast the first stone onto Pat Robertson.
---t3 on 9/3/05

Hiding in silence? Hiding Im not, but I also said I would not post about "you know who" again. You will not change my mind, and I will not change yours, so this debate is fruitless.
---NurseRobert on 9/3/05

Comparing the fault with those who mocked and condemned each other on this forum to what Pat has said has a huge difference because Pat did not deny his mistake and has repented.

Pat Robertson has set a good example for us to follow. He made mistake but was brave enough to admit his fault,unlike those on this forum who are champions of hiding in silence when they were proven wrong.
---Mirror on 9/3/05

Yes, the heart of man may be evil and our rightousness is like filthy rags but there is hope and help through our repentance and the forgiveness of our sins through Jesus Christ. The unbeliever has no hope unless they enter into the Kingdom of God through His Son. This is the difference.
---John on 9/2/05

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If the heart of man is not evil than why do we Christians still sin?
---Joyce on 9/2/05

The heart of man is evil. The sooner you realize this you will know what the apostle Paul meant by always being in prayer. We need God's help 24/7 not just when it's convenient for us.
---Ralph on 9/2/05

The heart of "man" may be evil but the heart of those redeemed by the blood of Jesus is no longer evil.Jesus and the Father/God enter into the heart of those who accept Christ.God will not dwell in an evil place.Matthew5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart; for they shall see God.1Timothy1:5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart,-.1John3:5-he was manifested to take away our sins and in Him is no sin.
---Darlene_1 on 9/2/05

Be careful, this DL may be anointed and even David didn't come against Saul, even though Saul was defiant against the will of God. NEVER say anything against anyone, especially a minister, he may be anointed! This will definitely save you a lot of grief in the future.
---John on 9/2/05

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Part 2. Just look inside your heart and you will still find evil in there. If you don't believe this, God will show you. You will not like it, but He will show you. We all are pretty messed up, this is why we are always to remain in the Spirit and close to Him. Once you realize this, you will have understanding why we all act this way even Christians, and we can be a help to ourselves and others. God bless.
---Mary on 9/2/05

There is something in scripture that says something about the heart of a man is evil.
In fact our Pastor said this in church one day and I was shocked, but it's true.
Yes, we are a new creation in Christ Jesus and He does give us a new heart, if we remain in Him, but we all have this evil nature inside us still. We won't be perfect untill we are with Jesus in Heaven.
---Mary on 9/2/05

The bible says that the heart of man is evil. Read it!
---Peter on 9/2/05

DL James, i find it very sad that many "so-called" ministers are deficient in the truth, not saved themselves, and lead multitudes into falsehood: for not all are evil-hearted upon the earth, there are good trees and evil trees, the wheat and the tares, the children of God and the children of the devil, and there are the good-hearted and the evil-hearted upon earth.
---Eloy on 9/2/05

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whats it like to be perfect? oh wait, guess being judgmental blow perfect.
---Randy on 9/1/05

It is interesting that the people who challenges the thinking of most of you, and admits to being a sinner, gets treated like dirt by those who don't like their thinking. Are you Christians? Have you ever read 1 Corinthians 13? Do you know the second commandment according to Christ? You are treating Nurse Robert the way Robertson wants us to treat Chavez.
---Madison on 9/1/05

NurseRobert,You're welcome, please don't let theology of "we all still sin" as Christians affect you,if you are.Christians can't be the sinners so many think they are.We are the righteousness of God in Christ.We are new creatures,the Temple of the Holy Ghost.Satan came to steal,kill,and destroy, and though tempted in all manner as was Christ,we don't have to sin,as Christ didn't,be Holy as I am Holy said Christ.If we couldn't he wouldn't have told us to.We resist the Devil and he flees from us.
---Darlene_1 on 9/1/05

I guess we have a majority of judges. You will be judged more severly! I have learned something in my many years as a minister., the heart of every person on this earth is evil.
---DL_James on 9/1/05

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I guess nursey is better than Pat. Nursey is just perfect, just ask him.
---Bob on 9/1/05

This is my own little theory, but it really is true. L-I F-E
Failures on
Pat Robertson is a man just like me . I could have said something like that in haste myself and then repented later, besides maybe, just maybe he's telling the truth and didn't mean it like some think. The media has a way of starting things that are'nt there just to get rateings. Pat is supposed to be a brother in the Lord and he has done so much for the kingdom. Let's not bury the guy.
---John on 9/1/05

Thank you nurse robert. At least we won't be subject to your horse hocky. That is what YOU believe. It doesn't make it so. Pat is a good man with imperfections like us all. Get over it!
---Frank on 9/1/05

Ok.. This will be my last post on this subject..Ruby, I do NOT believe that he made a mistake. I believe he said EXACTLY what he wanted to say. This is NOT the first time he has said something that was so unChrist like that it was hard to believe it came from a prominent "Christian". I can only thank the Lord he was not elected president.

To those who have been offended by my posts.. It was not my intent to offend, but I heartfully felt the need to stand against this hypocisy.
---NurseRobert on 9/1/05

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I totally agree with NurseRobert. Robertson showed no remorse in his published "apology" on his website. We must hold the ministers of the gospel to a higher standard, especially the ones on TV. They are the ones the world sees, and refers to when looking for the Christ in Christianity. Christ would never have said to assassinate anyone. Neither should a supposed man of God.
---Madison on 9/1/05

Out of the mouth the heart speaks.
---Eloy on 9/1/05

I, think, that, Br. Pat made a mistake. We all make mistakes. I am sure, that he is very sorry for this mistake. And, i am also very sure, that he has asked God to forgive him for it! God has said, that, if we ask him to forgive us, He will. We should do the same.
---Ruby on 9/1/05

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