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Should Pastor Know What You Give

Should a pastor know how much you tithe or only the bookkeeper of the church should know?

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. . . is for everyone to drop their money into a bag without the amount be noticed by anyone at all (except God of course).

---Rita_H on 6/10/15

The leaders must give God a reckoning - see parable of pounds/talents.

But, if you don't care about tax deductions, or following what the church does with the money, you can put cash in a blank envelope and put it in the offering.

Not using checks makes it hard to determine the offerer.

God requires that we offer it. No requirement to deduct it or track its use.

Most churches misuse tithes and offerings anyway. Tithes are the inheritance of the church workers (modern levites), who then tithe to the head pastor - Num 18.
---aservant on 6/10/15

Sad but true Glenn. I have seen it happen too many times.

On Christ the solid rock I stand.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/15

The tithe is not a Christian practice, but is an avaricious works righteous trick. Unless the Church is very small, a Minister needs to occupy his time in: learning how to be a better minister, studying the word, preparing lessons, ministering to people. Pastors who involve themselves in the Church(s) financial affairs are often tempted to treat people differently because of their giving, and there is the temptation of $$$. Act 6:1-4, 1Timothy 3:3, 6:5-12, Titus 1:5-16, Jude 1:4-19.
---Glenn on 6/10/15

I'm reviving this question after now noticing Shira's comment "I think the bookkeeper needs at least 2 others to monitor the money. never one alone does this. it will make sure everything is above board."

In our church only one person knows to which number she should allocate the individual amount but 3 people do the counting together. Two open an envelope, say the amount and the number on the envelope then that other person writes the amount against that individual's number. Only she know which number belongs to which person.

It's a good system but a better one, which gives total anonymity, is for everyone to drop their money into a bag without the amount be noticed by anyone at all (except God of course).
---Rita_H on 6/10/15

---Peter9556 on 7/18/13
I agree with that
Matthew 6:3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
---francis on 7/18/13

No-one,not even an officer of the church should know what any individual member gives. Those given the task of totalling up the amount are there to count it- not to know from whom it came. Only one should know who gave what and that is God.
---andreea on 7/19/13

The ideal is that no-one knows

No pastor, no book-keeper


We only try the other method to get a tax benefit
---Peter9556 on 7/18/13

I think the bookkeeper needs at least 2 others to monitor the money. never one alone does this. it will make sure everything is above board. its nothing against the secretary but one handling the money isn't a good idea.
---shira4368 on 7/18/13

Give in secret and the Lord will reward you openly. That's what the bible tells us to do so we should all be placing our monetary gifts in a box or bag into which no-one else can see - not an open plate or a numbered envelope which identifies us. NO-ONE at all, except God, should know what we give.
---Rita_H on 7/18/13

I think only the bookkeeper should know your tithing, unless the Pastor happens to be the bookkeeper.

Why should the Pastor know?
He might be bias.
---Nikki on 7/15/13

People need to realize their is a difference between church folks and christians, it really is. Churches are not what they seem to potray, we see and know, but we choose to sit and go along with the drama, there is a difference between church folks and christians, why is that so hard to comprehend!
---lady-v on 7/15/13

Jed, thank you for the discussion we had. your experience is different then mine. Good thing it is not concerning a perticular passage in the word of God. personal questions are hard to be agreed on. We all have had different experiences in life. Peace I leave you.
---Mark_V. on 3/6/13

MarkV, it's not that I don't trust pastors anymore. It's just that I don't think it's any of their business. I just think that giving to God is between the giver and God, and that's it. It's not for everyone or anyone else to know what you give to God. That's why I have suggested giving anonymously as my preferred method.
---Jed on 3/4/13

jed, It was only one experience but not the norm in every case. Maybe it was your fault for giving a certain amount, or maybe it was his. No problem should ever get so big as yours. It could have been solve very easily. I suppose it was better for you to leave. But now you have the problem with you. you will not trust another pastor for what one did. We have to do our part. Try our best to disarm an explosion. Now you believe no one should know because God will not work through them because of that one thing. If God wants His message to come in power, nothing is going to stop God from bringing it to conclusion. That is just my view from Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 3/4/13

Mark V, I shouldn't have to explain my finances to my pastor. It is none of his business. The knowledge of how much I gave to the church caused my pastor to have a bitter attitude toward me. It would be better if he didn't know. The pastor's job is to help people become closer to Christ, and help strengthen people's relationship with God. The knowledge of how much I gave prevented him from effectively doing his job and I left that church because of his attitude toward me. If would have been better to have a separate person count the tithe. How much you give should be a personal matter between you and God and should not be able to influence the pastor's attitude toward you.
---Jed on 3/3/13

Jed, you don't owe him an explanation but it would be great to remove that doubt from his heart by explaining to him in some conversation. It is simple to do when you meet with him for lunch, coffee or a class. you can always say something like,
"it has been slow for us pastor this few months and not able to give as we normally give" these way he has some idea what is happening, and you will also clear his heart from thinking wrong or judging you wrong and clear you bad feelings about him. It solves two problems.
---Mark_V. on 3/3/13

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Mark V, I understand what you are saying about the tithe. My point is when the pastor knew how much we were giving, he treated us differently when we were giving alot than when we were giving less. He treated us like we were not as committed to the church and not living up to our responsibility to support the church, even though we were giving the same percentage of our income as we were before. Every year is the same for us, we have a busy season and a slow season, so some months we give more and some months we give less, but we always give about the same percentage. He just saw that our giving had decreased and assumed we were neglecting our responsibilities to the church. I don't owe him an explanation of why our giving had decreased.
---Jed on 3/2/13

Jed, I don't believe those in Christ, under the New Testament, are commanded to tithe 10%. If a person wants to tithe, it is a right they have. We are not under the Law. If you want to give 20% it is a right you have. When you put a law, you put a yoke on the believer who is born of the Spirit and is endwelled by the Spirit who convicts the believer during his life. If you feel a burden to give a lot, do it. If not don't. Maybe that is why your family had that problem. The pastor was expecting the same funds all the time because of the law. Or maybe he was just not an honest pastor and felt your family was losing faith by not giving what he thought your family was responsible for. If God wants a Church to prosper, it will without a 10% tithe.
---Mark_V. on 3/2/13

MarkV, I'm not saying the pastor shouldn't know the church finances. He SHOULD know how much money the church has, how much is coming in, and where it is being spent. I just think he would be better able to pastor the members without bias or judgement if he didn't know who was giving what amount.

My family owns a business that is mostly seasonal. When my family started going to a new church our business was in busy season and we were making good money and the pastors treated us like we were great. Then when slow season hit and we were making less and our tithe was less, they treated us like they didn't even want us there and constantly preached about people who don't pay tithe, even though we were still giving over 10% of our income.
---Jed on 3/1/13

Jed, there is many methods to run a Church, depending on how many members it has. No method is perfect. And also there is many pastors who are currupt, that is for sure, but many who are honest. A pastor as leader of the church should know what goes on in the Church God made him responsible for. The secretary could be cheating, someone else could be taking funds. Sin is everywhere not just on the pastors.
It is my experience that people who give cash are the one's who give very little. A dollar here or five dollars, even ten, but most who give five percent or ten percent of their pay normally pay with checks. The church's survive by the power of God and the donations of those who feel very strongly in helping the cause of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 3/1/13

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just a tid bit here. my pastor never wants to see who gives what. the secretary and another sees the money. always two people count the money. when its deposited in the bank the secretary puts a copy on the church wall that leads to the seats in our church. I have heard my pastor ask the secretary if we had enough money for this or that. if she says yes, the men have a meeting and discuss it and the church votes. can't get much more transparent than this.
---shira4368 on 2/28/13

Mark V, I agree with what you said about people being too easily offended in church. But when it comes to tithe, it's really no one's business how much someone gives. Preferably, I think it would be best if everyone paid with cash so there was no record of who paid what. But I know people want to be able to get a receipt for a tax deduction, so obviously someone has to know. But I think it would be best if that someone wasn't the pastor. The pastor has to be able to effectively pastor everyone equally without the emotional bias of who paid what getting in the way. I think it would be best if the pastor didn't know. With as few people as possible knowing that info.
---Jed on 2/28/13

Jed, lets be a honest here. No matter what a pastor does, someone is not happy. He wears certain pants, someone is not happy. If he talks a long sermon, someone is not happy, they want to go home. Sure some churches have secretaries, some don't. People should be alert on the functions of the Church, but not paranoid.
I belief there is too much gossip and too much complaining.
---Mark_V. on 2/27/13

MarkV, that sounds like something the church secretary would do at our church. I think having the pastor do this could cause some pastor-parish relations issues.
---Jed on 2/26/13

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Jan, our pastor every year puts out the amount of money that went in, what it was use for, and each one who gave with a check, the amount they gave, puts the amount in an evelope, so they can use it for income tax purposes if they want. The one's who give cash, like five dollars or so, do not get anything written.
---Mark_V. on 2/26/13

I will answer this way,
I believe everyone is paranoid because there is so many crooked pastors. But we cannot control what they do or what their intentions are, but we can control our own intentions. There is no way of knowing what the intentions of someone else's are. We should give with an open heart, if it is too much trouble, a person should not give. Remember God will judge us by our own actions. Give for the glory of God. If your heart is telling you not to, for a reason you might not even know, it could be the Spirit speaking to you, do not give. A pastor is the head of the Church and he should know what's going on within the Church. If he doesn't, anyone could be taking money out of the funds. There is sin everywhere.
---Mark_V. on 2/24/13

Jan "Being concerned if your pastor knows the amount your give or tythe is somewhat oddly paranoid."

I disagree. What I believe to be paranoid is the fact that 'some' people feel this urgent need TO KNOW what others give. It is completely UNscriptural. The bible says "Let your giving be done in secret." A cheque is not secret, nor is cash in a numbered envelope.
---Ritah_H on 1/29/13

I agree, it's unscriptural to be nosy. I was not thinking of such people when I gave my answer. But of those who are overly concerned about who knows what amount they give.
---jan4378 on 2/23/13

Jan "Being concerned if your pastor knows the amount your give or tythe is somewhat oddly paranoid."

I disagree. What I believe to be paranoid is the fact that 'some' people feel this urgent need TO KNOW what others give. It is completely UNscriptural. The bible says "Let your giving be done in secret." A cheque is not secret, nor is cash in a numbered envelope.
---Ritah_H on 1/29/13

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my pastor never sees the money. the money is handled by two people and it is posted on the wall at the entrance of our church. If the church needs something, he ask the secretary if we have the money for whatever he needs. he has made it clear he don't want to know what members give. every thing that concerns money is posted for all to see.
---shira4368 on 1/28/13

The banker, the business knows what you give or take when you use checks, credit cards.

Being concerned if your pastor knows the amount your give or tythe is somewhat oddly paranoid.
---jan4378 on 1/28/13

No-one should know what anyone in the church gives. There should be no numbered envelopes, no cheques accepted, no way WHATSOEVER of anyone knowing what another gives.

"Don't even let your left hand know what your right hand is doing."

There is absolutely no need for anyone but the giver to know whether or not a person tithes, gives way over the tithe or way under. That is between the individual person and GOD.
---Rita_H on 1/26/13

When a Pastor is more concerned with how much someone gives, or how they do not give they are no longer fit for spiritual leadership. The tithe has always been 10% if you choose to not give God his 10% tithe that is between you and God, not you and any man.

The real problem is the Pastor not truly a follower of the Lord because in his seeking to know who did (and did not give) their tithe he now believes the tithe is for his church not the Lords church, it is his work not the Lords work, the tithe money is his money, not the Lords. And here lies the problem with religious organizations when they have no spiritual understanding of Gods tithe their concern is for the tithe no longer the Lords work.
---Follower_of_Christ on 1/26/13

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Only God should know.Matthew 6:1-4 Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
---bike on 1/23/13

I speak from experience. The pastor should not know! The problem is really not really how much everyone gives. The problem is when the pastor know who never gives. Most pastors understand that not everyone can give what they would like to the church. I believe most pastors understand the "widow's mite". What pastors do not understand is how well to do men can come to church for years and not give a dime???
---trey on 1/22/13

Hello, s.m agree with you, with all respect. Yes! I have been in such a church, they catered to this one family! Because they gave alot of money, church was an independant church, so they became more & more synical, judgemental, my mother died, not even a visit,even if any body in hospital - nothing, other members like myself ignored, when the rich family son got killed they were all out for them, which they were not bad folks but $ made the difference among the Pastor & his wife.Eventually, they stole all the $ pastor opened up a business in one year all gone! You can't play with God! They even started a zodiac reading & went back to put spells on folks! We all kept far away!
---ELENA on 1/22/13

i think he should not becouse,1.when he knows he can be biased in the church such that will honner the ones giving huge amount.
2 he will have a bad motive to those he thinks can give more and giving less litle.
---s.m on 1/21/13

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The Lord says, DON'T let your left hand know what your right hand is doing when you give(Alms), let it even be a secret to you, and you shall be rewarded openly by the Father(God),
No one should know how much one gives, NOT even you, are you yet w/o understanding?
---YLBD on 11/25/09

The Bible says to give from what you have and not from what you do not have. One time someone said to me "I am too poor to go to church". Isn't that sad? The very ones that Christ said he loves are intimidated by the fact that they do not have enough $'s to give away at church.
---jody on 11/24/09

tithing is sin. But your personal giving is your own business.
---Eloy on 11/24/09

More importantly is motive. Why would the pastor want to know?
Who is being edified?
---larry on 11/24/09

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mima, thanks for voicing your support on this topic.

Molly and others in her situation need encouragement to know that's it ok to question the behavior and attitudes of "church leaders." Believers are to follow Christ, not men.

Molly ought to post her letter from the "church" in the local newspaper's "letters to the editor," so others in her community know to watch out for the fleecers.
---Rod4Him on 11/24/09

---Molly_Stanz you have fallen in to a den of merchandisers. Church shopping sounds like a wonderful idea. Should you tell the church how you feel? You can but of course it probably would do no good and I do not believe they will ever change.

Those who are in pastoral position(s) in this church are hardly keepers of the flock!!!!!
---mima on 11/24/09

Molly, I am sorry that the church you attend is not reflecting Christ's attitude.

Frankly, the church ought to be giving to you to help you out.

In New Testament times, giving was for the believers who needed help financially. The ones who had helped the ones who needed.

Try to focus on a personal relationship with Christ. The institutional church doesn't necessarily reflect Christ-like attitudes.

I don't want to encourage a poor attitude toward the institutional church, however, when they are wrong, they are wrong, and people need to know it.

The institutional church you attend is wrong, very wrong, in this matter.
---Rod4Him on 11/21/09

there ia nothing bad if a pastor know how much you tithe becos he represent God
---mike on 11/21/09

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I've been at my church for about 5 years, I'm kind of shy, but I have volunteered in several capacities.I became unemployed last year, and my offering this year has been about 60% of what it was last year.I received a letter from my church saying that I need to prayerfully consider giving more.The letter pointed out that the church gives away more "on my behalf" than I give. I feel insulted and hurt, especially since I have given more than I can really afford. I'm trying to forget about it, but I feel like churchshopping. Should I let the church know how I feel about the letter? The church also says that a fair share is $80 each week, but I can't afford that. I feel like the church is being too aggressive. Am I overreacting?
---Molly_Stanz on 11/20/09

No,not unless you want either one of them to know. That is between your family & God. Usually I forget the envelopes& just drop my amount in the basket as annomyous,God knows how much we give.
---candice on 4/1/08

What you give should be between you and God. Unless you make a pledge or give a special offering. Even that does not have to be broadcast. We do not have to let anyone know what we are giving. God already knows and that is good enough.
---Robyn on 8/14/07

Why should even the church book keeper know what you give? No-one should know. We are told to give in secret.
---RitaH on 8/14/07

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Only the bookkeeper. No way should the pastor know. The pastor can not remain objective if he knows. (Even if he thinks he can.)
---WIVV on 8/14/07

No a pastor should never know it puts him in an awkward position
---amy on 1/22/06

How much tithe to give Church percent wise?
---Sue on 10/17/05

We live in the New Covenant. Giving is what is important. It is not about how much but what God leads. He blesses you no matter if you do or dont. His love is unconditional. The organized Church misrepresents and mixes old covenant with new in order to control people and that is witchcraft friends. They make fellowships bussinesses and pastors Kings instead of Servants.
---Dennis on 10/9/05

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Oh my John really and I thought the church calling out the amount of money was bad. I guess there are worse then even that.. Seems like it was all for mens eyes and not God. I also love to give and don't think anyone but God needs to know how much.
---judit4846 on 9/13/05

Yes that is exactly what I'm saying the pastor called out all who has 100 for collection come to the front and place in the offering plate then he went to 50, then 20. Being sure to wait until all who had put in the amt called first had sat down.
---judit4846 on 9/13/05

Have you ever heard of a church that has an array of trumpeters on each side of the isle, and every time someone gives a large amount, they blow the trumpets loud?
Or the guy in church that waves a $100 dollar bill around before he drops it in the basket?
Or the TV preacher who passes around his Rolex watch to the congregation so he can brag and gloat? I won't mention his name but I saw this.
---John on 9/11/05

We should always give to God, and I believe not just 10% all the time. There is nothing wrong with giving God extra when we can. Believe me, you can't out give God! He will make a way to bless you. I LOVE giving to God, it's a true joy! Do you really think that tithes and offerings are abolished since Jesus came in the flesh? We should give even more because we are now free in Christ.
A Pastor does not have to know what I give, only God has to know. Unless someone wants to blow their own horn.
---John on 9/11/05

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Judith can you clarify what you just told us please? Are you saying that you were all called down to the front of the church according to the amounts you were giving - those giving high amounts first, down to those giving small amounts last? I'm really finding this hard to grasp. If I have understood correctly it is absolutely disgusting. The leadership there needs a lesson about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, and a lot more besides I think.

Moderator - Very common practice in Word of Faith churches. It is used to put pressure on the congregation to give more money regardless of the cause.
---M.A. on 9/11/05

titheing is not commanded in the N.T.
---Eloy on 9/11/05

I went to a church that does a count down starting from 100, 50, 20, 10, to 5 then anything less. I didn't like that and even though I had more I went up when they said change. I thought that to seem rude and pokey. I was told this was the norm there. I think it is between you and God. Sometimes I would donate my tithes and give offering at the church(a different one)
---Judith on 9/10/05

Barbara, How much does he make though? If it's a small congregation than maybe he's just making it. After all we give the Lord 10% at least, and we keep about 90% or less.
---Jack on 9/10/05

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Well, what do you all think about pastors who recieves all of the tithes every week plus the second and fourth sunday offering, twenty percent out of the church offering(the other two sundays) wednesday, and friday night offerings, and 20 percent out of any other offerings that is for the church?
---barbara on 9/9/05

Part 2. The Pastor started talking bad about us (false rumors), and when he gave his sermon and got to a negative part, he would point his finger to us. The leadership started to treat us with disdain. We left that church. That was 8 years ago. My wife has not been back to church here since.
---John on 9/8/05

Part 1. This is a true story. 10 years ago when we first moved to Mooresville NC we joined a church and tithed regularly. The Pastor and the leadership treated us wonderfully! One day the Lord spoke to my heart AND my wife's heart to continue to pay our tithes but this time not to put our name on the envelope anymore. In fact we were giving even more with joy! Boy did things change! We were treated like 3rd class after that.
---John on 9/8/05

I had a friend who was a member of a church that gave her an assignment to call members and ask for their tithes (maybe they had not been in church in a while or perhaps not giving 10%). I told her I had never heard of this, but if someone called me and asked for tithes, I would quickly find another church. I willingly,lovingly give cash in the offering plate, the amount is between me and God. I also try to help my church in other ways that don't require money.
---Jane on 9/8/05

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My friend attends a church where offerings are put in a numbered envelope. These numbers identify the giver and this information is used at the end of every year for publication in the church magazine. However they do not just list the persons number and amount given, they list the people by name and show the amount each has given. My friend hates it but stays. I would not attend a church that did that.
---Xanthi on 9/8/05

Any pastor who needs to know who gives what has less than honorable motivation. As treasurer for my church I am required to keep records because people want tax deductions. The pastor has never shown any interest in knowing who gives what and if I had my way I would rather not know how much people give either. It feels a bit awkward.
---ralph7477 on 9/7/05

I am a bookkeeper for the church and the pastor requested to see the members' tithe. What is his motivation? Our chursh has no debt.
---Sue on 9/7/05

No one but the church treasure or bookkeeper should know what you tithe or give. We put our offering in an envelope with our assigned number. No name, so it's unidentifiable except to the bookkeeper. Our church keeps record for tax purposes and gives us a statement at the end of the year. Our pastor said he doesn't want to know what anyone gives as that is between God and the individual. A Good and Godly policy.
PS....We're Southern Baptist.
---tither on 9/7/05

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I do not believe that EVEN THE BOOK=KEEPER should know. I think that all our giving should be anonymous and I drop in what I want as secretively as I can. Many give in envelopes that are numbered so the church treasurer knows who gave what but I don't like that idea at all.
---Xanthi on 9/7/05

Are you Jewish? Israel was required to give 10% of what they own, why? Cause 11 of the tribes, God gave them land, the 12th, God made to become the Priests to minister to the rest. Tithe was to help support and feed the priests, so they could focus on ministering to the nation. What did Jesus tell the rich man about having eternal life? God did not tell the Gentiles to tithe, but God loves a cheerful giver.
---geraa7578 on 9/7/05

I once heard a preacher say "If you come to me for help, I will look to see if you have tithed". What an arrogant statement a supposedly man of God to say. I tithe on everything I make, but I put it in the offering plate and not in an envelope with my name on it. God knows and that is what is important. I guess the bookeeper don't know the truth.
---shira_5965 on 9/7/05

But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. Matthew 6:3-4

Only God should know.
---Pharisee on 9/7/05

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If the pastor asks to go through the records, it's okay because he is the leader and has the right to go through the church's records. Otherwise it's not necessary to let him know the amount you give as tithe. It's normal for the bookkeeper to be aware because he keeps the record. If you give millions or thousands as tithe, it's only God who knows if you're actually giving 10% or less of your income.
---Debba7385 on 9/7/05

As a general rule only the treasurer and assistant should know that info UNLESS there is a major financial emergency and the church budget is seriously underfunded amd the church is unable to pay its bills.
---pierr7958 on 9/7/05

No, the bible says that.. your left hand should not know what your right hand is doing(giving) Matthew 6:3

If they know, there is a possibility that they will judge you accordingly. More money, better treatment, less money, lesser treatment.

God Bless you
---Beulah on 9/7/05

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