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What Is A Seeker Friendly Church

Can anyone exlpain to me exactly what a 'Seeker Friendly' church is? I am a 'born-again' christian and have never heard of such a church over here in UK.

Moderator - It is a new way to reach Christians and the unchurched and was started mostly by Southern Baptists pastors and has now infected the greater Body of Christ. The major theme is to not offend people, therefore they can't talk about sin, hell, repentence, blood of Christ, etc. The church services are to entertain the people and tell them how Christ can help them be better (self motivation). It is one of the greatest threats to Christianity in the 21st century as a false doctrine.

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Citizenship is not important. Geanology is not important.

No one can HEAR YOU TRAV because of a contentious spirit.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/21

GODs scriptures never align with your opinions, doctrine, teaching, etc.

Israel AND Judahs genealogy is important to GOD and them. As in scripture Ive posted for proof and rebuke against your un-logicdoc.
Your argument is with GOD. All that believe scripture see how all this will end up for ya.. but, still as a U.S. CITIZEN you have freedom of choice.
If contention will raise the Sheep of Israel head up.... Im happy to do it. As you may have noticed it is not Sheep that are offended. No such thing as an attack sheep.
Heb 13:20....everlasting covenant,
---Trav on 5/5/21


For someone who claims to not care, you seem to do an awful lot of judging and condemnation about it. Why is that?

The Bible mentions "liberal" many times, and always in a good way. 2000 years ago, the Pharisees were the self-righteous judgmental theologically-correct religious and political right, while Jesus and his disciples were the people-loving politically-incorrect religious-hypocrite-condemning rich-condemning left. Not much has changed in thousands of years.

The early church "kept everything in common" - the epitome of socialism.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/21

Neither do yours Trav. As an open forum, everyone has as much right as you to their opinions and beliefs, seeing this is not Church, or any one denomination. If it were you would be kicked out of 99/100% of the churches and here. You would not be allowed to teach, preach etc, just because you are a man. Also your constant nagging about women teaching preaching here is also a non-qualifier ......seeing CN allows false teachers to post here....would not be allowed in Christian Churches. Every time you point fingers, three are pointing back at you.

Where are all your JEWS Trav...I see none here supporting you.

We know those who claim they are Jews and are not! Anyone can post OT scriptures. We can see through your smoke.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/21

YOU started the "judge people by their news sources"
Citizenship is irrelevant. I live here and pay taxes, but get no vote.
---StrongAxe on 5/3/21

Understand this, I dont care who you listen too, you trend leftist and liberal. You are judged by who you stand with or accept and their evil.
Your opinions... who cares....I dont. They add nothing to anyones day.

Psa 111:6He hath shewed his people the power of his works, that he may give them the heritage of the heathen..
Psa 111:8They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness.
Psa 111:9He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
---Trav on 5/4/21

Citizenship is not important. Geanology is not important. Age, gender, race is not important. Those who make these areas a point of contention are false teachers. NOT OF THIS WORLD ... WE SEE None of the Apostles mixed politics with Christianity. Those who mind earthly things are ENEMIES of the Cross. Now all I've said is in the Bible. Not some new redefined Gospel.

There are plenty of scriptures about being contentious .... And TRAV should meditate on those. Being contentious is ALL OF THE sinful flesh. No fruit of the Spirit comes from the flesh. 1 Corinthians 13 is impossible for them to understand. You will know them by their fruit... Even rotten fruit. No one can HEAR YOU TRAV because of a contentious spirit.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/21


YOU started the "judge people by their news sources" thing first, so YOU state your sources first. If you think my sources are bad, you must have others you think are better - so prove it!

I don't get my news from any one news source. When I hear a story, I check multiple sources for multiple perspectives, e.g. Biblically required "two or three witnesses". Do you? Fox said nobody in their right minds takes Tucker seriously. If you do, you have problems.

Citizenship is irrelevant. I live here and pay taxes, but get no vote. The Revolution was fought over the injustice of taxation without representation, yet you dare apply the same unequal judgment to me that your ancestors fought against?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/21

Well TRAV, I can see it's hard for you mixing and matching scripture to fit your needs. Nothing in Deut about chosen for eternal life. Seeing many died in disobedience and sin. Just look at all the rebellion when going to the promise Land, and who didn't enter because of lack of faith. See Hebrews 3-4.

The CHURCH has a heavenly calling ... Earthly Israel has an earthly calling. Please know the difference.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/21 keep avoiding the question of where do *YOU* get your news from?
Why do you not answer?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/21

Avoiding... ha.
Well state ur sources if you are proud of em. Your not or you would have all along.
Any conservative can and have recognized the liberal left in your post.
Tell you from who I don't get my news or biased opinions never supported with proof. You. Your political post lean leftist and, u aren't even a citizen. Your political opinion for any citizen is meaningless. Your supposed truths...tend not to be provable by you.

I don't record or listen to any major network now, Fox, or News max. Tucker once a mth maybe...
---Trav on 5/3/21

Servants are chosen......
---kathr4453 on 5/2/21

Chosen by GOD....not you. GOD doesn't change.
Whosoever of the context of Israels book.

1. Deu 14:2...... the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations upon the earth.
2. Deu 26:18 the LORD hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee,......
3. Psa 135:4 For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
4. Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people....

5. 1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, ........
---Trav on 5/3/21


People "with the law in their heart" don't constantly lie, except when forced to tell the truth at the point of a lawsuit. They know "thou shalt not bear false witness" (and every other law) without being told by a judge. Every one of those in my last message lied and used "I was only kidding" as an excuse. Does that sound "Christian" to you? Would you want others to treat you that way, lying about you, and saying "we were only kidding" when cornered? If not, it's not acceptable "Christian" behavior.

You constantly criticize who you think *I* get my news from, yet you keep avoiding the question of where do *YOU* get your news from? Why do you not answer?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/21

Well we have Isaiah and Romans ..that scriptural witness...ALL DAY LONG I HAVE STRETCHED OUT MY HAND TO YOU AND YOU WOULD NOT.


Servants are chosen. Just as Israel the nation, God said the elder will SERVE the younger, just as Jacob and Esau. Jacob was chosen FOR SERVICE.

SONS to become A SON, being brought into GLORY...a higher position than Earthly Israel, you must RECEIVE HIM. It's what WHOSOEVER WILL MEANS. Jesus first came to His own and His own...Earthly Israel received Him not.

---kathr4453 on 5/2/21


Fox News, Alex Jones, Sidney Powell, NewsMax, etc. don't "freely admit" guilt. They do so as a last resort, an excuse to avoid billions in libel judgments. Instead of admitting "We deliberately lied, so we're guilty of false witness", they weasel out with "It wasn't a lie, because it was just a joke."

Nowhere does the bible say "Thou shalt not bear false witness - unless you don't mean it", but these use that a "get out of jail free" excuse.

I AM NOT A COMMUNIST. You keep asserting this lie. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" seems to matter little to you.
---StrongAxe on 5/2/21


You complain about the "godless media", but where do you get YOUR information from?

I hope it's not Fox News, because they have frequently said things that they later had to admit were lies -.
---StrongAxe on 5/1/21

At least they admit it. Your liberal, leftist communistic people never do.

Sounds like someone at Fox has laws in their heart. Cant be seen or found in YOUR media trough.... or political Gods you promo/worship.

Heb 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Luk 11:34...
---Trav on 5/2/21


You wrote: You or no one chooses..... maybe its the prob with your doctrine..... needs a little light.

Calvinism again. Yes, God invites us, but WE choose whether to accept that invitation. Otherwise, we're just puppets on strings, and puppets cannot be blamed for their own actions, because they are not THEIR actions.

If we have no say, why are you here, as nothing you say to anyone can convince anyone of anything, as only God could do that?

Why do you keep telling me I'm wrong? Is it to correct my behavior? If so, it implies I have some choice in it. If not, but just condemnation, you forget "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus". Make up your mind.
---StrongAxe on 5/2/21


You complain about the "godless media", but where do you get YOUR information from?

I hope it's not Fox News, because they have frequently said things that they later had to admit were lies - something "godly media" would never have to do.

They recently won a defamation lawsuit by successfully arguing that "nobody in their right minds would take anything Tucker Carlson says seriously". Alex Jones and Sidney Powell have used similar excuses when sued for bearing false witness.

They just had to retract a piece that alleged Biden wanted to stop people from eating meat, and you'd only be allowed 4 pounds of meat a year, and one hamburger every four months.
---StrongAxe on 5/1/21

Do not go to the Gentiles but only to the lost sheep.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/21

Again for Sheep, not heathens / gentiles.
Sheep with eyes and ears....scriptures previously posted enraging a self proclaimed jewish Christian.

1. Israel was divided. Nth House of 10 Judah Benjamin being the Sth House 1kings 11:31.
2, Nth House divorced Jer 3:14. Scattered Eze 34:5-34:12
3. Forgiveness and a New Covenant promised Jer 31:31-33.
4. Two Houses/ two Sticks to be rejoined. Exe 37:16
5. Redemption forgiveness promised to Israel. Isa 42:22, 43:5

New Covenant to both Houses of Israel.
Heb 8:8.......I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 5/1/21

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Since today no one knows what tribe they originated from, how do you know who the Nth House is in the first place? What if a Jew..your Judah, not the Nth house responded....are they outcasts because why? The verse in Matthew says nothing about any LOST HOUSES, OR LOST TRIBES..but lost sheep in general.... 1 Peter 2:25' Isaiah 53:6...."all" YE like sheep have gone astray....meaning ALL, not just the Nth house. Why are you dividing the tribes and only preaching to a few of them....not even Peter did that...his letters are to ALL 12 tribes.

If the lost sheep are your Nth House aka Gentiles, explain Matthew 10:5-6. These are Jesus words...don't mess with them. Do not go to the Gentiles but only to the lost sheep.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/21

Ivanka and Jared are not even Jews for Jesus. Christians do not convert to Judaism. It's the other way around.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/21

Well you claim to be jewish... several times as in making you special, now its bad when it doesnt fit well for a post.
The people you judge you dont know personally. You get your info from the godless media, who you choose for your judgement on others.
These people believe in GOD and like yourself one day will believe in Christ.... and the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.
Eze 37:28And the heathen/ gentile-shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 5/1/21

Nope TRAV, I'm called A Christian. No longer Jew, but a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST. I BELIEVE Jesus is the Son of God, the promised Messiah. Ivanka and Jared are not even Jews for Jesus. Christians do not convert to Judaism. It's the other way around. The fact you don't know this says it all. The fact you teach such things is not the Gospel. It's someone stuck in the past before Jesus birth death and resurrection still waiting for the Messiah. You've stumbled over the stumbling stone WHO IS JESUS CHRIST. Jesus is a rock of offense to practice Jews. They rejected Him TRAV. They hated Him TRAV. They Crucified Him TRAV. They tried to kill Paul after he converted to Christianity.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/21

Trav's doctrine has Ivanka Kushner climbing in another rejecting Jesus Christ ....
---kathr4453 on 4/29/21

You claimed you are a Jew several times.
A believing Jew?? Can Ivanka be a Christian jew like you??
Like jewish Benjamite Paul?
Not to judge and jury kattr.

I post to Lost Sheep Nth House of Israel. If they find GODs Covenants, promises through Christ message and GODs drawing>Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Isa 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

I find no light in your many Doctrines.
---Trav on 4/30/21

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I'm not "adding my own doctrines". I point out what NT says. You just pick verses you like and reject ones you don't.

Much of the NT alters and updates OT. In OT, each tribe of Israel was distinguished by its patriarch. In NT, in most cases, they are collectively known as Jews.

Your quoted scriptures mention NO tribes by name.

Everywhere "King of the Jews", never "King of Israel".
John 2:13 "the Jews' Passover". Not "Israel's".

"Who are called Jews" has absolutely nothing to do with "climbing in another way spoken of by Christ". This is not about salvation. For that, see Galatians 3:28 "neither Jew nor Greek".
---StrongAxe on 4/29/21

Trav's doctrine has Ivanka Kushner climbing in another rejecting Jesus Christ and hoping if she converted to a Jewish religion she can climb over. You said she was one of the two houses, because WHY, she rejected Christ, or married a Jew? or maybe he's not a Jew, from Judah...who knows. Now Gentiles ....those not of ANY OF THE TRIBES are considered one of the houses? You contradict yourself every time you open your mouth. If you paid attention to what you were saying, rather than trying to be cute with your sarcasm, you would see your cute sarcasm is making you look really conflicted with your belief. When confronted with the truth, you rely on sarcasm,not scripture ......a sure sign you are NOT OF GOD. You don't fool me Trav.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/21

........New Testament, the word "Jews" was used informally for ALL of Israel,

---StrongAxe on 4/29/21

Only for you support your fantasy doctrine you must avoid all of the Prophets in OT, speaking for GOD. Add to your doctrines problems/ fears specific scriptures in the NT. Always amazes me, until it is seen as climbing in another way spoken of by Christ.

As previous, ill post for Sheep verses highlighting your doctrines sandy foundation.

Act 26:7Unto which promise our twelve tribes,.....
Jas 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Stop? Nah... Truth can never tolerate untruth.
---Trav on 4/29/21


Just as is done today, in the New Testament, the word "Jews" was used informally for ALL of Israel, not just the tribe of Judah. In particular, the priesthood was run exclusive by men from the tribe of Levi, yet the "Jews" who conspired against Jesus and tried to have him killed were pretty much exclusively from this group.

Stop trying to split a hair that the New Testament itself chose not to split.

The Messiah was prophesied to come from Judah - and Jesus was able to trace the legitimacy of his lineage that way (see Matthew). Once the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD, all lineage records were destroyed, making it impossible for anyone from ANY of the tribes to make claims based on lineage.
---StrongAxe on 4/29/21

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TRAV, Like I said, I don't adhere to your definitions and neither did Paul. However you gave me more insight into yours. No one today knows what tribe they came from. Its obvious TRAV you are scared of me. Your continual remarks prove that. You are threatened by me and your posts show it. Paul after his conversion could care less about being of the Tribe of Benjamin. Phil 3 prove that. Paul never taught the doctrine of Restored Israel. Folks saved today are not RESTORED ISRAEL. Many were never Israel to begin with.

Revisit Romans 11:28. The Nation of Israel rejected the Gospel to this day and are ENEMIES of those who have not rejected the Gospel. But they are still God's elect, and God WILL ONE DAY fulfill His promises to the NATION.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/21

Ok Trav, state here clearly for all, your definition of Judah, vs Israel.

Or what do you call the lost tribes? Gentiles?

What do you call those not the lost tribes or Judah?

What is your definition of the circumcision vs the Uncircumcision ?

If you say the Uncircumcision were lost tribes, prove that by scripture please.

Maybe your clarification of these supported by scripture may help us understand your dictionary of words and definitions?
---kath4453 on 4/28/21

This is NOT the New Covenant that WAS revealed in the OT. THIS IS ALTOGETHER SOMETHING NEW.

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God,

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
---kathr4453 on 4/28/21

.....saying I was of Judah. I have said no such thing.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/21
Maybe being Jewish was a reason the Lord showed me....
---kathr4453 on 4/27/2

Jews are slang for Judah.... youve claimed lately that you are jewish. If you mean in unbelief of prophets we all get it.
In going against scripture about both houses... we get it.
If you mean as in Paul was a jew, i follow Paul so i must be one too...A Rom2:29 jew but, we get it.
But now you are saying by Race you are not Judah.
One must be careful.
Rev 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 4/28/21

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Trav you have a right to your opinion. I'm not threatened at all by your opinion. I know you have, like Calvinism, redefined words and its meanings to support your doctrine. But that's on you, no matter how hard you try to insult or discredit me as a smoke screen hiding your own lack of understanding. For one, you don't thoroughly read, saying I was of Judah. I have said no such thing. But you stated it with an insult attached. No one here Trav supports your doctrine, they never have Trav. Many know Armstrongism is a cult.

I simply do not believe in your take on Israel. Just posting verses anyone can do. It's your commentary with the verses that give away you don't have a grounded understanding.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/21

Maybe being Jewish was a reason the Lord showed me the difference between the Church and promises to Earthly Israel,
For a false teacher to tell you a gentile you are a Jew lost sheep of Israel whatever is a man made false doctrine ......
---kathr4453 on 4/27/2

When there is any argument, debate with GODs scripture you are the person upset over it. Ive posted hundreds of specific scriptures by GODs prophets, Christ and his Apostles.
Unable to post witnesses against these you get personal.
I see no mark of Israel Jewish or otherwise in your demeanor. I see unproven misconstrued doctrine you are tangled up in. Paul cant help you... he quoted and references the OT to support the new, with both houses of Israel.
---Trav on 4/27/21

I've been saved for over 40 years, and the Lord taught me right from the get-go who I am in Christ. Maybe being Jewish was a reason the Lord showed me the difference between the Church and promises to Earthly Israel, and Pauls testimony helped me tremendously especially his testimony in Philippians 3. I've never stopped learning. For a false teacher to tell you a gentile you are a Jew lost sheep of Israel whatever is a man made false doctrine having to twist scripture to accomidate it's doctrine. I know who I am IN CHRIST , and was made secure in that truth only 3 years after I was saved. These truths came at extreme suffering, so it wasn't cheap. And have continued to grow in the Grace and Knowledge of Jesus Christ since.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/21

Judas and TRAV don't understand, between these two events Christ is building HIS CHURCH,......
---kathr4453 on 4/26/21

Well, similar to Judas and you for 40 years I couldnt understand scripture. Who beget, who beget etc. Then some un-tainted by doctrinal opinion scripture was pointed out. Lost Sheep Israel is the Church/Ecclesia .... Judah to follow. First is last thing.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night,....:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37Thus saith the LORD...
---Trav on 4/27/21

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...a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the ethnos come in,
and so all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
Romans 11:25-27
---JS1234 on 4/25/21

Using original word ethnos instead of 500 yr old Latin vulgate gentile and scripture unifies with all prophets.... who Paul quotes for both houses of Israel.
Rom 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.....

Rom 11:2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. .....

Rom 11:25... blindness in part is happened to Israel(Judah), until the fulness of the ethnos ( lost Sheep Nth House) be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,

Judah is blind we know but,....
---Trav on 4/26/21

Judas betrayed Jesus because Judas thought Jesus was there to overthrow Roman rule over Israel. Like TRAV, Judas only understood Part of the OT not all of it. In the OT there are 2 comings of Christ. The first was to be born of a virgin and die for our sin, the second was the RISEN GLORIFIED CHRIST to fulfill the promises to a Nation scattered, bring them back to the land and OVERTHROW GENTILE POWER OVER THE NATIONS, Jesus ruling over all. Judas and TRAV don't understand, between these two events Christ is building HIS CHURCH, something that was hidden in the OT, NOW REVEALED IN THE NEW. So we are not under KINGDOM LAW today. WE NEED TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH. NOT Co-Mingle and/or explain away salvation by Grace THROUGH faith.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/21

Exactly JS1234. The fulfillment to the Nation of Israel, all those verses Trav has posted, has not happened yet. The DELIVER OUT OF SION, "SION" MEANS HEAVEN. ZION means earthly Jerusalem. So the only time NOW the deliver, not to be confused with SAVIOR, is to come AGAIN is the second coming, and that is according to Matther 24-25 Zechariah 12-14 and Revelation, the time of Gods WRATH. Also known as the Time of Jacobs trouble....the Great Tribulation....... Is yet to come will deliver them from the wars of the nations(Gentiles) round about....ZECHARIAH 12-14.

But NOW, It's time for Trav to get saved. He could die before the Deliver comes to save THE NATION OF ISRAEL FROM GENTILE WORLD POWER.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/21

No Trav, they didn't have the Law. And no scripture says they did.....
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21

Both Sticks, Nth House and Sth House Judah had the law. Nth House of Ten were put away/ divorced under the Law.
Galatians speaks to both ethnos of Israel.
Gal 4:5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Gal 4:30Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
---Trav on 4/25/21

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Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, and so all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob, and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.

Romans 11:25-27
---JS1234 on 4/25/21

Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Trav's lost tribes didn't lose the Law or forget to take it with them when they were scattered. Gentiles never had the law. Anna in the Gospels from the Tribe of Asher was still under the Law. There are no scriptures whatsoever stating any scattered tribes left it behind. Practicing Jews all over the world today, follow and obey the Law given to Moses, including keeping the Sabbath day. There are variances re different sects, have different traditions, but keep the Law. Those in Spain during Queen Isabella's time secretly kept the law....and what the inquisitor was about.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21

No Trav, they didn't have the Law. And no scripture says they did...only your imagination filling in your mind what is not stated in scripture. Also Paul in Galatians is not teaching about any houses , or even brings up your OT prophecy concerining the Last days when God deals with UNBELIEVING ISRAEL, who rejected the messiah. He's also teaching believers today are a NEW CREATION...GAL 6. Only you are obsessed with OT prophecy when the wrath of God is coming not only on this whole world but also unbelieving Israel, where only a very small remnant will be saved to enter the earthly kingdom. Zechariah 12-14. Matthew 24-25. YOURS IS THAT OTHER GOSPEL PAUL REJECTS.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21

Gentiles were never then or now under THE LAW, ....
---kathr4453 on 4/23/21

You provided the very thing that shows this people ethnos , divorced North house scattered mixed among your gentiles previously had the law.

They are the desolate, Judah never was divorced. As explained in Galatians.
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not, break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
---Trav on 4/24/21

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Israel, both houses.
---Trav on 4/20/21

The Galatians were Gentiles. Just reading the whole letter makes this clear. There would have been no need for Paul to call out Peter if all were both houses of Jews. Jews were forbidden to eat with Gentiles under the Law....not each other. Gentiles were never then or now under THE LAW, and that was an issue of contention when the CONCISSION showed up....wanting to circumcise Gentiles. Jews would not argue about circumcision as they all believed in that for themselves under the law.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp the Galatians were Gentiles, But it does take the Indwelling of our teacher, The Holy Spirit to understand the spiritual depth of its core teaching.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/21

When a mans ways please the Lord, he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.

Proverbs 16:7
---JS1234 on 4/20/21

......heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:27-29
---JS1234 on 4/19/21

Context of N.T. and Galations is Israel, both houses. One verse post are a sip of milk... not a steak.
Gal 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Gal 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:27For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not, break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
---Trav on 4/20/21

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christs, then you are Abrahams offspring, heirs according to promise.

Galatians 3:27-29
---JS1234 on 4/19/21

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I found my "true" home in a Messianic Synagogue. We are taught Torah and Yeshua as the completion of the law. It's wonderful to worship with people from all backgrounds with the commonality of "Christ" the Messiah. All are welcome. Shabbat shalom.
---Laura on 4/18/21

Yes,been sm yrs.ago,notice the "once on fire!" pentecostal church'more worldly,the music,lots of clap yeah,sister so n so sang good,feel good music!so,what can we look for when storms of life??
Leary,about any church! Don't know what to do except pray!
---ELENA on 3/15/12

Hi,I am from the UK and my Church has become a "seeker sensitive" church.I had a leader to my house,he said they r starting to water the meetings down and taking words out of songs to not offend the unbeliever,anyone who falls in the spirit will be told as they don't want to frighten again!they even baptized a guy who is with his partner/unmarried.we have the latest lights that change color on stage and a smoke machine for atmosphere...there is no Worship, no praying,preaching has become a "talk" and is based around u rather than the bible.To top it all off...ready for this one!!!! They had a membership meeting
under the NEW regime..A man in a "dolphin suit" came out and shook their hands with his flipper!!!!!
---L_Buttrey on 2/15/12

//The main message almost every week is "Love" and "Grace". You never hear anything about people being accountable for themselves and the decisions they make. They dont talk about sin or hell.//

The one I attended focused on faith, hope, and charity. after a month or so, my son said, "i miss our old church. they do not talk about Jesus here."

for two years prior, we went a little over an hour each way to a church to hear about sin, repentance belief, and Jesus.
---aka on 11/11/10

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I think I belong to one. I totally agree with the above statement. Here are a few more obvious signs to look for. Your congregation is allowed to drink coffie while preaching is going on. The main message almost every week is "Love" and "Grace". You never hear anything about people being accountable for themselves and the decisions they make. They dont talk about sin or hell. There is no being slain in the Spirit, speaking in tongues etc, for in fear of scaring people. Lack of respect for Gods presence and His Holiness.So, people are goofing around in church, poking eachother, laughing, getting up to get more cups of coffie, you name it! As you can see, Im very irritated and our family is leaving!
---Jennifer_Hall on 11/11/10

The seeker sensitive movement: an egocentric evangelism, of ones self - what do I need, or desire, in order to make myself happy.

Many of their groups interview unbelievers as to what they want in a service (in order to be comfortable). Surprisingly, the infidels like to dance, sit in comfortable seats, view a big screen, and a cafeteria, but don't want to hear of Christ on the cross, the blood, or of salvation, and in what manner to grow in him.

Bill Hybels, Rick Warren, Joel Osteen who has trouble saying if unbelievers go to Hell.

Revelations 3:21. -Glenn

Jeremiah 2:12, 13, Matthew 7:15, 15:14, Romans 12:16, 2Timothy 4:3, 4, 2John 1:9-11, Revelations 3:16 / 1Timothy 6:3, 4
---Glenn on 4/8/09

Seeker Friendly paradigm is the most dangerous thing that has ever happened to the church because the movement is unscriptual and full of leaven.You won't have any problem knowing when this movement hits your church because it brings radical changes in how you "have church". Your church's worship and preaching will change and no longer resemble what it once was (when the anointing was there)because it's now designed to make unbelievers comfortable in their sin. In short, your church will no longer look or run like a church but a social club.
---Michael on 9/16/08

I agree with that Mima - it's all about "me" in that church. "I" can be a better person, "I" can feel good, what can God do for "me". WRONG!! It is the other way around - it is not about me at all, it is all about God and what He wills. Our whole country needs to get off the self-centered kick that it has been on, quit implying that truth is relative and that whatever works for you is the right way. People are perishing and this theology will not help them - they need to hear the truth - they need conviction about breaking God's commands - all of them. We need people to be repenting and changing.
---Pam on 9/2/08

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I believe Joel Osteen's church would qualify as a "seeker friendly" church.
---Mima on 11/11/07

Amen to that got that right!!!
---Holly4jc on 9/2/08

A seeker-friendly church is one that preaches that "God is all love", "grace is all there is, no consequences", you will never hear them talk about sin or repentance. They are trying to grow in numbers by appealing to people who want to live with one foot in the world and one foot in the church, hoping they are saved. You want all the information in the world on this subject - do a little research on "the emerging church" There is enough there to keep you busy for a while.
---Pam on 9/2/08

I think seeker friendly churches vary widely.
The thing that is concerning to me is the possible lack of programs to help new believers to grow. Or so warm and fuzzy that a commitment to Christ is not offered at all. Feel good churches could actually hurt the cause of Christ.
Again these churches vary. I have been a part of one but it was also in your face about living a life with Christ.
People should be confronted with their need for God and finding a genuine faith.
We are "not ashamed of the Gospel."
---Susan on 9/1/08

I agree with the moderator. You have no doubt heard of watered stock? Well a seeker friendly church is a church which waters down and avoid confrontational questions and/or witnessing. I recently attended a seeker friendly church(at another person's request) and I found no surprises. Wonderful facilities, on the marquee outside it says," a contemporary Baptist Church" now I'm not quite sure what that means but that's what it said. The message was weak very very weak and then the altar call was just pathetic!!! But the church has about 900 members now and is growing by leaps and bounds.
---mima on 9/1/08

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There are two types of seeker friendly out there. The one the moderator talks about (which is horrible) and also there is a group that desires to still bring a great message and preach the Gospel..but update. No more pews..dressing to the hilt..musty hour or the people complain...dry, solemn, boring services that are just plain OLD...not the typical fundamental church. If I had a choice of a church that preached the true gospel with pews and a detailed play by play in the bulletin and a church that preached the true gospel and allowed jeans, drums, and a younger vibe...the latter would be chosen in a heartbeat and I am 35 with five children that grew up in the church.
---melanie on 9/1/08

I agree that a seeker friendly church is one that in large part, intends not to convict or offend, fearing that it will drive people away. We attended one of the largest churches in my community, and one that I would define as seeker friendly. The messages, in my opinion, were very real depth or substance, pretty much just feel good messages. During P & W, someone with a video camera would move about the stage, getting close-ups of the singers and musicians, not unlike a rock concert. I felt I was being entertained, NOT ministered to.
---John on 9/1/08

Jim, you have alot in common with Jack...
Maybe Jack goes to your church.
---Cindy on 2/11/08

While there are churches that fit the moderator's definition, most Seeker Friendly churches of which I'm aware are very orthodox in their beliefs, don't avoid the subjects you identify, and don't have the goal of merely teaching people how to be better. It's a sweeping characterization to assign your definition to all seeker friendly churches. It would better to say, "I have such limited knowledge on the subject that I can't provide an accurate answer."
---Jim on 2/11/08

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I believe Joel Osteen's church would qualify as a "seeker friendly" church.
---Mima on 11/11/07

Keep scripture in mind when looking for a method or a means to promote church growth. A Christianity that is not based on the Scriptures is a false Christianity. It may be ecumenical and it may be successful in attracting numbers, but it is not biblical. It could even lead people to follow false teachers and false doctrine and be deceived.

You know where they could spend eternity, separated from God!

---Rebekah_Martin on 11/9/07

The Seeker Friendly Emerging Church is indeed false.
Emerging Church is reemerging. However, rather than going back to the inspired Word of God found in the Old and New Testaments, the goal is to reintroduce an Ancient-Future faith based on the ideas, dogmas, traditions and views of the Roman Catholic/Orthodox Church Fathers.

They welcome the mystical.
---Rebekah_Martin on 11/9/07

You will find an array of icons, statues of Mary holding baby Jesus, Jesus hanging on the cross, candles, incense, relics, and statues of the saints. While there is a lot of emphasis on the visual sensual and mystical, very little Bible taught to the people. Emphasis on extrabiblical paraphernalia, extra-sensory images.
---Rebekah_Martin on 11/9/07

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The Seeker Friendly Emerging Church

While Rick Warren, and others are very excited about the Emerging Church and the direction it is presently headed, Emerging Church may actually be a re-emergence of what has already occurred in church history. If the pattern continues expect to see evangelical Protestants become more and more Roman Catholic/Orthodox.
---Rebekah_Martin on 11/9/07

Emergent Church, emergent village.

Making up new major doctrines. Such as whether Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation. The issue of hell, whether or not anyone will experience eternal torment or simply be saved and taken to heaven. The Cross as simply an example for us to follow when we suffer.
---Rebekah_Martin on 11/9/07

Oh man>>Pops, You are 100% right. Preach love oh preach peace unto the wicked, Have their blood on your hands on Judgment Day.
---catherine on 6/14/07

Oh how I miss the days when preachers preached the truth and if he stepped on a few toes, the people knew God was able to heal, even hurt toes, and the Spirit of God moved in churches, not bands taught to psychologically hype people up!
---PAT on 6/14/07

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They fear man, and not God. They would rather not offend anyone by presenting tough parts of the Bible, because they are afraid they might offend someone and they would leave the church. It is better to offend them for a short time, then to withhold information that can keep them out of hell!
---Pops on 1/11/06

2 Timothy 4:1-5
---Leon on 9/20/05

Definition of a seeker friendly church.
A place where you go every Sunday and they tickle your ears(tell you exactly what your flesh wants to hear)and they take your money, slap you on the back and usher you into hell.
---John on 9/9/05

Shira 5695, don't blame Southern Baptist churches in general for the mistakes made by a single Southern Baptist church. Yes, there are some Southern Baptist churches that have become entirely too worldly, but the same is true for individual churches of every denomination.
---Heather on 9/9/05

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pappyswife, you are so so right. The super churches and their pastors will stand before A Holy God one day and give an account of how many went to hell because of them. The New Covenant church is one of them. They are popping up all over.
---shira_5965 on 9/9/05

Man, you Baptists don't have ANYTHING on the "Charismatic" super-churches of today. They're poppin up all over the country, it's all the rage! And I LOVE the slogans: 1. "Discover the champion in YOU" 2. "_____church, the most powerful HOUR of your WEEK" 3. "___church; where PEOPLE matter most" I guess old 'slogans' like "REPENT! for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand!" is too offensive, huh?
---pappyswife on 9/9/05

cont..I use to be a southern baptist but they got so worldly, I couldn't stand it. Some are filled with pride and entertainment and when they start reading scripture, I couldn't tell what book they were reading. There are many entertaining churches out there, but show me one independent baptist and I will go visit it with you.
---shira_5965 on 9/9/05

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