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Can A Dead Pastor See Jesus

There is a pastor out there claiming that he died, went to heaven, saw and spoke with Jesus. Is there any Scripture that supports this? Should be believe him?

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Donna, I also agree with you. For I believe the death of anyone comes at the appointed time it should come. I don't see how anyone can avoid his time. Some seem to die but later come to life, but it is not that it is a miracle at all, it is that his time had not arrived. There is still a purpose for him to complete no matter how small it might be, that only through him could it get down. For if it was possible for anyone to bring him alive when he should have gone, then that person would change the course of history by staying alive longer then his time here. And as we know God knows when he will bring life and when He will take it away, and it will happen as He has ordained it.
---MarkV. on 6/14/09

though I believe in signs and wonders,that they happen even today,saw my younger brother completly healed of cancer,the only resurrection that I have faith in is jesus,s.his leads to life.
---tom2 on 6/13/09

Thank you Donna...our christian sister proving once again that when all else fails maybe we ought to try scripture. (Heb 9:27)

There are a ton of post-scriptual experience books and websites that no doubt truly note the chemically induced visions of those in a near death experience.

There is nothing in scripture and certainly not in John 17's conversational prayer between the son and the father that would suggest people taken to heaven (true death) are then sent back to the curse of an earthly life. The Lord has plenty of ways to spread the word and receive his due praise through earthlings, animals and even rocks without sending the risen, who have no interest in the things of earth, back here.
---larry on 6/13/09

Donna, the Nigerian pastor i talked about was dead for three days, and was ready for burial. also the man that died twenty minutes ws dead with poisining -a medusa picked him with one of the most deadly poisons in the world. I do not know about you, but to me that is a true miracle.
---Andy on 6/13/09

1Corinthians 15:8 clearly states that Paul saw Jesus (he didn't fall over dead). John saw the Lamb in Revelation. Jesus can and does appear to people although rarely, what a privelege that would be!
---KellieB on 6/13/09

Of course there is something known as RESUSCITATION, but NO ONE comes back to life with tales to tell of Godly experiences or any information about heaven or hell. They will only be telling LIES of deception that were fed to them by satan that were meant to distract you from true devotion.

Hebrews 9:27
"it is appointed for men to die ONCE".

There is only one hero in Christianity...JESUS.

It is the false teaching that we should "surrender" SELF (self abasement, Colossians 2:18) that causes us to believe FANTASIES/lies. Guard your soul that it may be destined for ETERNAL LIFE with Jesus (not simply "salvation"). Luke 3:6 "all flesh shall see the salvation of God".
---more_excellent_way on 6/13/09

If he really "died", how is it he is back here telling what he heard and saw in heaven?
Who pronounced him dead? A physician? A person in deep coma may certainly seem dead to those unfamiliar with actual clinical death.

People are regularly resuscitated after losing all vital signs, but not after brain death. The Bible says, Hbr 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

It's an interesting question. The accounts of heaven I've heard make us want to believe them. Jesus raised people from the dead...and others have claimed to. Doubtless many will try to convince me otherwise,but I would guess these people really had a "near-death experience".
---Donna66 on 6/12/09

there was a man of God who died just afetr repenting, he saw hell before he went to heaven. there is also a book that relates stories of men ayt the brink of death who experienced hell. Thank God they ghot there second chance.also a nigerian pastor claims to have ben dead three days (his story you might recover with reinheard bonke's website
---Andy3996 on 6/11/09

Don Piper's web site list his accolades, one of which he is an actor. Keep that in mind.
Postmortem lividity, a settling of the blood after the heart stops, would have begun immediately! That means you are really dead.
The severe trama of the accident would made him appear to be dead!
Pastor Piper's account of heaven leaves many questions. First, the Bible says, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8), Pastor Piper did not say he saw Jesus, but said Jesus is the only one in heaven with scars.
St. Thomas Acquinas said, "Your conscience will accuse you or excuse you." In all respect, I think Pastor Piper, belives what he says or has convinced himself of that...
---Goliath on 5/15/09

Hi, I liked "90 Minutes In Heaven", the pastor says he did not see or speak with Jesus, but just saw and heard a taste of what Heaven is like, so I think I believe him. I'm sometimes skeptical but I believe Don Piper's story, God knows in the end anyway. :)
---Mary on 3/21/08

Why is it when these instances occur that everyone sees God, but no one sees hell? If we know that few will be saved, it would seem that the majority that have these events would see some place other than heaven. Just curious.
---dan on 3/21/08

My Mom died while giving birth to me. I came out not breathing and died as well. The Doctors (along with God) brought us back to life. Mom said as she was dieing, she saw a white figure with sandals holding hands with a little girl with blond hair. Yep that little girl was me, and yep that was Jesus. She was alive until 2001. As far as her going to heaven when she died giving birth to me, she didn't. I honestly believe when one goes to heaven, they won't be back here on earth. Who would want to?
---Rebecca_D on 3/20/08

No! do not believe this. Nothing like this goes on today. I do not need to hunt scripture.
---catherine on 3/20/08

This rare occurance happens when we are in a state of shock or a near death situation. It occurs like a quick dream. After a heart attack, several members of my family have seen and talked to God or Jesus, sometimes seeing a bright light or palace setting.
The death was in their mind and the dream seemed real.
The pastor is not kookoo
---chuck on 3/20/08

I correct myself. In Matthew it is called a vision, but they were still seen here on earth and it was real! When Peter tried to exalt Moses and Elijah with Jesus, a cloud overshadowed them, they disappeared and God spoke. Jesus only was left standing!
---Theresa on 8/9/07

Matthew Chapter 17 and Mark Chapter 9 talks about Jesus Christ being transfigured into His glorified state in front of a few of his disciples and talking with Elijah and Moses. Moses had been dead for centuries and here he was talking to Jesus. Elijah had been caught in a whirlwind centuries before this event and here he was seen by Peter, James & John. The Bible doesn't call it a vision. It says they saw them. These are the references to the dead,(Moses) being seen on earth in the Bible.
---Theresa on 8/8/07

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Andrea, truth is stranger than fiction. I recommend reading the Bible-Ecclesiastes 9:5, Psalm 146:4, Acts 2:29...

I believe Jesus' words:

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL that are IN THE GRAVES shall hear His voice-John 5:28.
---Geoff on 8/8/07

Before I was saved I saw a dead person walking in my neighborhood and didn't know till later that day that she'd died at exactly that time. After I was saved I DID NOT recieve this as from God. In fact I renounced all of it and what that entails so I am very cautious about this stuff. The devil is far more likely to use the dead.
---Andrea on 8/6/07

90 minutes in heaven - Its a good book and very edifying. This was a Baptist minister who was declared dead by many people who woke up. There are many people who claim to have died and come back - most don't speak to Jesus so take it with a grain of salt and enjoy the book.
---Andrea on 8/6/07

Lorra, let's look at what these texts are saying (and not saying). Acts 2:29 tells us David ( & your g'ma) are in their graves, not in heaven or anywhere else. 1 Cor 13:12 shows us nothing different from the OT, but speaks of love. Rev 5:8 speaks of the prayers of the saints, but nothing of what happens at death. Likewise Rev 8:3-4. There are NO texts supporting going to heaven immediately at death, not even Moses.
---Geoff on 8/4/07

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Acts 2:29 acknowledges that David is dead and buried, so is my Grandmother. But that only means that neither of them have been bodily resurrected. 1 Cor. 13:12 Paul shows us something different that is not found in the OT. We will know more, not less, after we die and meet God. And Revelation shows our Heavenly brethren offering our prayers to Jesus Rev. 5:8, and through the angels to God, Rev. 8:3-4.
---lorra8574 on 7/30/07

Lorra, we don't know what the minister saw, but we know he didn't die then. While he lives he can see a vision, but he would be unconscious in death according to what the Bible says, OT & NT. I repeat:

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten

Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish

Acts 2:29
---Geoff on 7/30/07

.sue, I have chosen the narrow road; it is best to stay with Jesus: For on the wide road, in which most will go, is much much more woe then what is found upon the narrow road. Jesus said, "Take my coupling upon you and learn of me, for I am mild and humble in heart, and you all will find rest to your lives. These things I have spoken to you, that in me you all might have peace. In the world you all will have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." Matthew 11:29; John 16:33
---Eloy on 7/7/07

Eloy I dont understand why you ask people "where is your faith". It must be so easy for you: you have actually "seen Jesus". But for us that haven't seen him, we must go by faith alone and sometimes it aint that easy. I think there is even a Bible verse about that.
---sue on 7/4/07

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Now I know we are not reading bible but following men plagersing Johns experience. Jesus don't need to reveal himself to no one there is no given reason for him to do so. We are to get our lives right with him in order to return with him when he comes back. He said and when I go I go to prepare a place that where he is there his followers will be there also! You mean a sinner entered heaven?
---Carla5754 on 7/4/07

"He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me will be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said to him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come to him, and our dwelling in him we will make." John 14:21,23.
---Eloy on 7/3/07

Ashley: "...our bodies do die, but our spirits are eternal."

Our bodies are eternal. But are they? It is written that man can destroy the body, but God can destroy the body and the soul.

Our bodies are eternal. Only in Christ. For it is written that when a person dies, he is asleep until Jesus returns when the dead in Christ shall rise first then the living in Christ shall be caught up. This is the first resurrection.

As you mature more in Christ, you will know the truth.
---Steveng on 7/2/07

A person may have had a vision but to say that he died, went to heaven and saw Jesus is a lie. Because from reading the bible, we know that no man (person) has ascended up into heaven, John 3:13.
---Rebecca_D on 7/2/07

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I beleive that one need's to allow the way the Father Creator interacts with us humans outside the box, the real test is what are the fruits of the experience. Why is it okay to talk about going to Hell but not Heaven ?
---Lynn on 7/2/07

Geoff, while I really do not know what the minister saw in his apparent near death experience, I would point out that we are not under the old covenant - Jesus has come to bring us eternal life. And our understanding of death is very different because there have been changes brought in by Christ, who fulfilled the Old Covenant completely and who has given us a new one.

God Bless.
---lorra8574 on 7/2/07

Lily, is there any scripture that supports this? NO! Either this pastor is lieing or was hallucinating. If he had a vision is one thing. If he died, he couldn't tell you. And if he didn't die the point is moot.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Psalm 146:4
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
---Geoff on 7/2/07

Where is your faith? God is not bound by nature, but he created nature and is far above it. If Jesus can put on flesh and walk on water and turn water into wine, you should also be able to believe that he can show himself to people and talk to us. So it should not be difficult for a believer to believe that God transcends the normal to make himself known to persons. The same people who disbelieve in seeing and speaking to Jesus, also disbelieve in Jesus and they deny the present power of God.
---Eloy on 7/2/07

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I personally do not believe people who say they have been to Heaven. Sure, the Apostle Paul was caught up to the third heaven but he saw things that he was forbidden to talk about. Christians need much wisdom in these last days.
---Helen_5378 on 7/2/07

I would never believe it.
---catherine on 7/2/07

Steven: Yes our bodies do die, but our spirits are eternal. Why are you ignoring half of the new testament. do you not believe it is all the word of God and you wish to pick and choose what you believe as truth. Did Jesus not say to the thief: today you will be with me in paradise, not heaven? Did he not also teach the spirits in prison that had not heard his gospel. You can deny the bible all you wish for vanities of men, but you cannot deceive someone that knows all the truths of the gospel.
---ashley on 7/2/07

No man has died and ascended into heaven. No man has died and decended into hell. A person cannot bring himself back to life. For it is written that we are dead until the second coming of Jesus where the dead in Christ rise first and the living in Christ will be caught up with them.

The so-called dead person was not dead, but in a deep sleep, dreaming of what he believed what Jesus looked like from the descriptions he had received while living.
---Steveng on 7/1/07

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Besides, the description of Jesus is different from one person to another. People don't describe Jesus as described in the Old Testament nor describe him as in Revelation. For this reason God commanded us humans not to make any images of anything. Isnt it funny, though, that in the movies about Jesus, He appears differently from movie to movie and where Jesus had long hair (which is a command from God for men not to have long hair) yet the rest of the men had short hair.
---Steveng on 7/1/07

The next coming of Christ will be in the clouds not in someones dreams he'd be so lucky, No!
---Carla5754 on 7/1/07

---Bob on 6/30/07

Many do not want to see the signs of Christ because they are scared to believe. Scared if they do believe they'll wonder what others will think and start bashing their beliefs. Many people can't believe unless it is tangable. It takes faith to move the hand of God and without faith it is impossible to please the hand of God. And without faith, no they won't see the signs.
---Rebecca_D on 3/6/07

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Lazarus come forth days are here. Jesus said much about signs and wonders in the last days, unfortunately there are too many doubting Thomases out there. And the Bible says, even though they have ears to hear, they don't hear, and eyes to see they don't see. Moses rod swallowed up the rods of the magicians of that day, a whole sea was parted, the water was turned to wine, a night eclipse happened this week, and He will give us signs in the heavens. sign and wonders are here.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/6/07

There are a few people who claim similar things, that they have met Jesus and been allowed back to earth to preach to others or they've been to hell but been allowed out to come back and save others etc. I don't know of scriptures that support these kind of stories but I also don't see why anyone would lie about it either. They certainly seem genuinely saved and have a desire to see others saved also, but I know some who doubt these stories.
---F.F. on 3/6/07

How does the pastor reconcile his claim that he DIED, (and has come "back") when God's Word says "It is appointed unto man ONCE to die, and after that, the judgment?
---Irene on 12/11/05

continuation of seeing/not seeing the Saviour's face: Who rolled away the stone at the tomb at Jesus' ressurection? [II Tim.2:15].
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/14/05

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Matt.4:1-*11, 18:1-*10. On angels seeing/not seeing Messias/Jesus Christ [or God/Echad "The United One"].
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/14/05

The bible says that noone can see Jesus and live, not even the angels in heaven have seen Jesus. People say what they think sounds good but you have to know the word for yourself and have your own personal relationship with God because we are living in a time where there will be false prophets and you have to be watchful of what people speak over you and to you because every thing people is NOT God, it's flesh. Pray for a spirit of discernment.
---Ticia on 10/13/05

Lily: No. Do not believe him. What he claims is contrary to the Word of God. "To the LAW and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isa 8:20 Does he preach the keeping of ALL 10 Commandments - including the seventh-day Sabbath? "The dead know not anything." Ecc 9:5 If he were dead, how could he remember anything? And without the resurrection (at Christ's second coming), how could he live again?
---jerry6593 on 10/8/05

Thank you, Heather.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/5/05

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Thank you, Bob 6749, I'd forgotten the exact chapter and verse of that passage.
---Heather on 10/4/05

I've known who Jesus Christ is for some time. Some believe what they know, what they've heard, what they were taught/told. Belief's are belief's, I state my own backed by scriptures whether they're believed or not.

Leading a perfect life did'nt make Jesus God. It established His claim as "The [Unblemished Passover] Lamb of God, taking away the sins of the world".

"I and The Father are one" is proof positive, either one believes it or disbelieve's it [Jn.6:1('29'-71).
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

Bob 6749, I think this has been addressed by many of us on a separate blog. Jesus was able to bleed and die on the cross=proof that He was 100% man; Jesus led a perfect life=proof that He was 100% God.
---Heather on 10/3/05

Last input on this subject, "sightings/encounters/trances" [ufo's, Elvis, etc] is a lot different from dream's or vision's spoken of by "God's" prophet Joel in the 2nd chapter of his book, vvs 28-29.

Maybe I'll eventually read some heartfelt, positive "unprovoked" Halleleuah's & thank you Jesus' here eventually! II Tim.2:15(23)26 is true [chat rooms included]. AS YOU WERE!
---6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

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Lot's of snake oil [us only] being used on this subject. Jer.17:9-10. I did'nt pick/start the debate. read the 1st two replies here. Must be a reason no one said anything 'til they thought I put my foot in my mouth.

Wonder if you believe that well known pastor who wrote about Jesus sitting & talking with him on several different occassions? You know who he is!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

What I saw, I saw, happenned & confirmed [as Paul said in Gal.1:10, "Do I persuade men or God......."], or as the person I saw lying dead in a morgue in another "dream" happenned [that face I did see physically, & wish I had'nt!].

Maybe I'm casting my pearles in the wrong place, as there's many questions needing sound scriptural answers & not a lot of out of order, highminded "prophets" or elders nit picking.

Like I said, all this comes with The Calling!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

Read Jn.1:18, Jn.8:26-30, Jn.14:16-24, 15:1-10, 16:7-17, 17:1-26, Rev.4:1-'5', 5:1-'6'. John saw someone in Rev.1:1-18, lived & wrote about it?

When Holy Scriptures contradict each other [not doctrines/"denominations"], everybody's wrong & everybody's 'religion' is right. [Echad, is God "The United One", Deut.6:4]. Calling me a liar was'nt too bright! Other religions use that arrogant tactic against [sic] "defensless Christians".

Bottom Line? Luke 9:51-56.
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

Then who was Jesus praying to while on earth. Most believe in a GodHead, or Trinity, now you're saying Jesus [God The Son], & "Jehovah", Elohim, El Olam, Adonai, The Great "I Am" [God The Father], & Jesus are the same.

Again, how could a physical Jesus be with God "in the begginning" & born of a virgin eons later? The issue is/was about some jumping the gun & calling me a liar & worse over my statement Of Alledgedly seeing God face to face [without a miter].
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

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1Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
---Ulrika on 10/3/05

If you said saw an angel, that I could believe. It tells us in the Bible what it will be like when Jesus returns. 1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
---Ulrika on 10/3/05

May I say that just as the enemy has many faces, greed, lust,etc. Our glorious saviour must have too..Peace, Joy, Understanding. we are so fortunate to serve a personal saviour, who, if he appears to us, then it will be in the form that we can accept..praise God for his love! In my personal encounterm there was no face, only bright light, but I KNEW HIM! Halleluah!
---Jadi on 10/3/05

Bob 6749, no, there is no difference between seeing God and seeing Jesus because they are one in the same.
---Heather on 10/3/05

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Seeing God [The Father] & Jesus [Son Of God] is two different things. Harsh words for erroneous assumptions & allegations & misleading scriptures [Acts 16:16-18]. A book was written by a well known pastor detailing visits he had with Jesus & lived to write about it!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/3/05

Some have their views of what I said [separate from those I am grouped with I hope], according to their criteria based on the "erroneous assumption" that I alledgedly saw Christ in the flesh.

Not so. I just related personal experiences of my own backed by scriptures [Joel 2:28-29]. Nothing controversial etc about it. As I've said, what I saw, I saw [not in the flesh!].
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 10/1/05

No man has seen the face of God and lived ! Exidus 33:20....these are the words God said to Moses when he asked to see his Glory.also John 1:18 no man hath seen God at any time; Now we can be in his presence the Shekineh Glory but if any man or woman says they have seen his face then they lie for God does not.
---Prophet on 10/1/05

These sight encounters are not the same as Isaiah had when he saw Jesus. Read Isa 6:1-5. Why is that? Candice returned to a cult (JWs) and is seeing Jesus in visions? If this is true then maybe we all should be in a cult. Cults deny Christ and now one is seeing Him, not likely Brethren.
Don't be so easily mislead. There is not a single example here that describes Jesus' looks as in the Bible.
John saw Jesus in the Revelation and his description is sure different from what we have here.
---Elder on 9/30/05

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Here's my "personal visits" from Christ, & the unmistakable impression left in my inner man afterwards.

True, what he said & did was more important than His Looks, as I saw His Face only once & from a distance!

Long Dark Brown Hair, long white robe, His head covered/uncovered with the same.

His pigmentation? Not "white", not "black". I'll leave the race game to others, ITS UNPROFITABLE, I'm Staying FREE! Gal.5:9.

Content In Him & In Me, SAY ON!
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 9/29/05

I also had visits from Jesus. He in my vision had brownish hair & I noticed his white garments,but over all i noticed what he said to me. I am so glad to hear I am not the only one having encounters with him.
---candice on 9/29/05

What one sees, depends on where one goes!

There's many testimonies on this subject.

A mother of Zion's face radiated as she pointed heavenward at her death, they lowered her arm afterwards [no doubt who she saw/where she went!].

A rank sinner died cursing like nothing ever heard when he died [no doubt what he saw/where he went!]. Jude 9.

Everyone's got a story, some truth in most everything.

Why not a crown, garments of a priest [Melchizidek], a Jewish Judge [Joshua]?
---bob6749_[Elishama] on 9/29/05

i've seen Jesus in person more than once. Jesus is alive and he personally visited me; he touched me and he healed me and he saved me. When he visited me at home he was a white Jew, he has black hair and a beard, and dark eyes when he looked down into my eyes, and he was wearing a white caftan robe and a bishops miter on his head. He is building mansions in heaven now. Please read Matthew 5:8; John 14:21; Hebrews 9:28.
---Eloy on 9/29/05

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an ICU nurse had a patient that technically died. She was standing over him praying for him before this happened. He came back saying "I saw Jesus. Jesus Christ saved my soul" His life was changed from that day forward. How can you argue with that?
---Tsuanne on 9/28/05

I had a near death experience. I was in hospital for a heat attack, and remember lying in bed, and then drifting away from my body. This was not an occult incident, I wasn't in a trance, but fully aware of moving out of the room, except in my spirit.
A spiritual being, maybe an angel, maybe Jesus, came into tyhe room. I asked if I couold come home then, and he he said no, it wasn't my time.
At that point I woke up and lived.
---mike6553 on 9/28/05

Two weeks before my Dad passed away he told me that during the night this great big tent came down over him and that the Lord was in it. But he said he didnt say anything.He said he just saw Him there.
---Wilma on 9/27/05

There was a time when I would have been a skeptic (not a doubter, exactly, but prone to let logic rule where it shouldn't). But it (not the exact same scenario but very close to it) has happened to me and I know it happens to others.
---Heather on 9/27/05

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I don't know about someone returning from Heaven, but the Bible plainly teaches that no one can return from hell,except Jesus, to warn his fellow men. Read Luke 16: 19 thru 31.
---Sam on 9/27/05

It says when he died that only the "dead" ones whom been dead a long time, arose. Maybe he had a glimpse to see what was going on, I donot know.
---candice on 9/27/05

Examine what he (or what anybody) says in the light of Scripture. (Acts 17:11)
---Leon on 9/27/05

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