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Why do some people seem to think that because we have a new covenant (New Testament) that the Old can be dispensed with. Do some Christians own only a New Testament rather than a whole bible?

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.steveng, no nerve, just the word of God to a blasphemer. You quote scripture, now apply it.
---Eloy on 2/11/08

.steveng, your dissing is a manifestation of your sin. You know what to do, you have the scriptures with you to get saved, so what are you waiting for? Turn away from your sin, and call on Jesus Christ, and he will save you from your sin and give you a new heart and a new life, after which you too will be able to bless with your mouth rather than sin. Yet if you choose not to repent, it is your eternal loss, and no other person's loss.
---Eloy on 2/11/08

Eloy: ".steveng, your suggestion is rejected. You, get right with God."

Did I strike a nerve or what? Turn to the Lord with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with morning. Rend your heart and turn to the Lord your God for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repent of the evil.
---Steveng on 2/10/08

.steveng, your suggestion is rejected. You, get right with God.
---Eloy on 2/10/08

The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed. The New Testament is the Old Testament revealed & fulfilled by Lord Jesus. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)
---Leon on 2/9/08

The law of Moses (Mosiac Law) and the Law of God are two completely separate laws.

Mosiac Law was physical (physical a tradition - mans tradition) with more than 600 separate laws all of which were physical (NOT Spiritual) Mosiac was a law of physical rituals, duties to do morning noon nite along many laws even laws for eating and drinking
---Rhonda on 2/9/08

Today people use these Mosiac Laws as the reason Christ came to earth ...reasoning away the OT without comprehending what the OT represents ...CLINGING to the traditions taught by religious systems today

Gods Commandments are of God (relationship to God and with humans)

Jesus Himself quoted from the OT.
---Rhonda on 2/9/08

...the OT holds the written prophecy that has yet to be fulfilled.

...mans reasoning leads people away from the WHOLE Bible ...taking verses that support their claims that Christ came and did away with that "old testament" doing so they make Christ out to be a liar - Christ was the God of the OT obeying The Father in Heaven
---Rhonda on 2/9/08

Gods laws are forever

...traditions of men are not why Christ was born into human flesh as the Son of God ...God did not make errors with His people in the OT replacing it with the NT

God is not the author of confusion but mans reasoning is...
---Rhonda on 2/9/08

If you are a TRUE Christian, you WILL follow the WHOLE Bible (O.T. and N.T.). The O.T. has commandments that we MUST still follow today (they have NOT been done away with), it also has a picture of who Jesus Christ is (His life, death, will, etc.), and it also has a picture of what the last days and end times will hold (picture of the future). The O.T. is still RELEVANT for today.
---Leslie on 2/9/08

#3. The next thing mentioned was the Lord list what He will require of those He rules in Exodus 20. The Ten Commandments. Each of the commandments were considered morally binding on the entire Covenant community. The final part in the Covenant is the listings of blessings and cursings. The Lord lists the benefits that He will bestow upon His vassals if they follow the stipulations of the Covenant. The Covenant also presents curses should the people fail in their responsibilities.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

#4. This pattern is evident in God's Covenant with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and between Jesus and His church. In Biblical times Covenants were ratified in blood. It was customary for both parties to the Covenant to pass between dismembered animals, signifying their agreement to the terms of the Covenant. Jeremiah 34:18. There is an example in Genesis 15:7-21 where God made certain promises to Abraham which were ratified by the sacrificing of animals, however in this case God
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

#5. alone passes through the animals, indication that He is binding Himself by a solemn oath to fulfill the Covenant. The Old Covenant is called the Covenant of works because God required perfect obedience to His rule. Eternal life as the blessing, and death for disobeying God's law. A single sin is enough to violate the Covenant of works and makes them debtors who cannot pay their own debt to God. Because Adam fell into sin, God in His mercy added a New Covenant of grace by which
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

#6 salvation became possible and actual. In the New Covenant of grace, the Covenant was ratified by the shed blood of Christ upon the Cross. At the heart of this Covenant is God's promises of redemption. God has not only promised to redeem all who put their faith and trust in Christ, but has sealed and confirmed that promise with a most holy vow. We serve and worship a God who has pledged Himself to our full redemption. This is the Covenant of Grace for the Law could not save anyone.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

#7. Every human being born is under the Covenant of works if He is not saved. People may refuse to obey or even acknowledge the existence of such a Covenant but they can never escape it. The Covenant of works is the basis of our need of redemption. Everyone lost owes a debt to God. Because of Adam's fall God in His mercy added the New Covenant. Christ was the only human who could keep the Covenant of Works. His works as the second Adam fulfilled all the terms of our original Covenant with God.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

People in the Old Testament were saved the same way as the New. They were and still are saved by grace through faith. Salvation has not changed at all. Covenants have changed. Covenants in the Bible were made by God to His people, and it was not an equal contract. In the Bible Covenants between two nations followed a pattern common to ancient Near East "Suzerain-vassals" treaties. The conquering king and the conquered. There was no negotiation between the parties.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

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#2. With the Old Testament as well as the New Covenants there is no negotiations either. God is the Suzerain and the people are the vassals. God's Covenant for the people of Israel was not for all people, it was for Israel. Other nations cared less what God said. In a Covenant God first states, "I am the Lord your God" making it clear He is the suzerain. The second thing lists what the Lord has done to deserve loyalty, such as bringing the Hebrews out of slavery in Egypt.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/08

Eloy: "The old ways saved noone"

Eloy, I strongly suggest you take a year sabbatical and study the bible before you say another word on the blogs to confuse new Christians. For in the OT the Godly people were saved. There are several instances in the OT where people of God were saved. Read: Rom4:2-3, Gen15:6, Gal3:6-9
---Steveng on 2/8/08

just like in Jesus' day there are those who forbid communion, forbid infants, and forbid marriage, and command O.T. law-keeping, and titheing, and sabbath-keeping and circumcision, and abstaining from eating meats and drinking wine, thereupon Jesus corrected them and said, nothing that makes a lie will enter into heaven. Please read Matthew 10:8, Mark 11:15-17, John 2:13-16, Matthew 23:13, Luke 15,16, Galatians 3:10, 4:9-11, 5:1-9, Colossians 2:16, I Timothy 4:3, Revelation 21:7,8,27.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

I am under the NEW Covenant of Christ, and led by the Holy Ghost. Jesus frequently said, "You all have heard that said to them from the beginning: but I say to you..." So he puts down the O.T. law, and then establishes his second Please read Matthew 5:21,22,27,28,31-39,43,44. And hopefully you will see the big difference between the O.T. laws from Moses and N.T. laws from Christ.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

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generally everything that came B.C. is abolished, and everything that came from the mouth of Christ is currently inforce: ie, the O.T. is pro-death sentence: take an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life, but the N.T. is anti-capital punishment: when struck turn the other cheek, forgive the offender, love your enemy, etc. You cannot serve the O.T. Levitical-Mosaic Laws together with the N.T. Judaic-Messianic Laws, for they are contrary to each other. The old is B.C., and the new is A.D.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

One current false doctrine is the scripture distortion, namely, the Galatian Sin, called, "leaven binding", which falsely maintains that the N.T. Laws are insufficient, and the Old Testament Laws are still required. Their falsehood does not rightly divide the old covenant B.C. from the New. The Scripture declares that the old testament law is abolished, and the New Testament Law is currently in force.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

Christians keep "Christ's Commandments", and not other old commandments. There is good reason why the New Testament with New Laws supercedes an old testament with old laws. The old law written in stone was insufficient, and those whom follow it become hard and dead like the stone it was written on: and the New Law written in Christ was required in order to save and convert people, and those whom follow him become Christ-hearted and alive like the everlasting life it is written on.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

We are in the new dispensation, and things that were considered sin under the old law, are not condisdered sin under the New Law: and likewise things not considered sin under the old law, are now considered sin under the New Law. Therefore we must make the clear distinction between old testament commandments, and the New Testament Commandments: for the old testament with its requirements are superceded by the New Testaments and its requirements.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

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The old testament ministry of death is dead. We have a new ministry of life. The old ways saved noone, which law commanded to stone disobedient children and adulterers and witches to death, etc. No longer do we take an eye for an eye, tooth for tooth and soul for soul, now we turn the other cheek, and we forgive the offender, and love our enemies and pray for them.: This is the Christian way, and you cannot keep the New Testament Law and the old testament law for they are contrary one to the other.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

The Holy Bible is divided into 2 separate Laws, Old and New: The O.T. is the Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C., and the N.T. is the Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D. Scripture reads, The Old Testament Law is abolished, disannulled, done away with: and now we have the New Testament Law of the ministry of life, written in the blood of Jesus Christ, which is currently in force, and this New Testament Law takes the place of the ministry of death, written in stone, which is the Old Testament Law.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

If the old ways were sufficient then Christ need not have come, and he died in vain. Away you, you whom seek me through the blood of beasts. Away from me, all you whom would try to climb up some other way up to me, says the Lord. All your hands have been full of blood, and all your sacrifices I will have none. Your gold and your silver perish with you. My beloved in my name, faithful and true, only by him is my wrath turned away, says the Lord.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

Jesus is the only God. Before his birth in B.C. he gave us his O.T. Levitcal-Mosaic Commandments, after his birth in A.D. he gave us his new Judaic-Messianic Commandments. The Old Testament Law is abolished, and the New Testament Law is currently in force. Both Laws are contrary to each other, it is impossible to abide by the new and also abide by the old, the Galatians tried to do this and fell from grace, for all Old Testament Leaven must be forsaken in order to follow Christ and his New Commandments.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

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We must divide the word of truth justly, which is preaching that there are two Laws and two Covenants: an abolished Old Testament Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C., and a currently inforce New Testament Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D. And that these two Covenants or two bodies of Law are contrary one to the other.
---Eloy on 2/3/08

human reasoning dismisses the OT ...nowhere does the NT instuct Gods people to forget His Word? ...John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... Do you believe your Bible or Man? Jesus taught us in Matthew 6:24 No man can serve two masters ...Ye cannot serve God and MAMMON (man). Either you BELIEVE the WHOLE Bible (Gods Word who dwelt among us in flesh) or you believe MAMMON ...the human reasoning of mens traditions following their reasoning dismissing Gods Word of the OT
---Rhonda on 2/3/08

Christians today have it all wrong...

Most Christians believe that the new testament is the new covenant. It's not. The early Christians didn't have the NT to preach from, only the OT. What scriptures did the Bereans search? It surely wasn't the NT. It didn't exist for hundreds of years after Christ's resurrection. The NT is nothing but an eyewitness account of Jesus and the early church growth and how prophesies of the OT came true concerning Jesus.
---Steveng on 2/3/08

That is a sad truth! Many people have never even read the Old Testament. The fact of the matter is that you cannot fully understand the New Testament untill you comprehend the Old Testament. Jesus did away with the curse of the law, not all the wonderful promises and commandments for our own good in the Old Testament. Until one comprehends the covering of sin in the Old Testament, they cant fully appreciate what Jesus did for us.
---PAT on 2/2/08

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The New Testament in Corinthians tells us that the things that Israel went through were for our examples. That doesn't sound to me like the OT can be completely dispensed with. Besides, the OT is full of physical pictures of the spiritual truths of the person and work of Christ. The book of Revelation has a literary structure that is based on the Feasts of the Lord and the Tabernacle of Moses. A working knowledge of those two things is helpful in receiving the blessings of that book.
---Linda_Smith on 4/14/07

Unfortunately, there's this mistaken belief that the OT is so ancient and outdated and no longer applies to us today. But the OT is very relevant. It talks about the coming Savior, Jesus.
---taylor on 10/28/05

, there are always a few groups that pretend to be one thing, but are not. let me emphasize that the majority of messianic Jews are christians on their way to heaven. there are only a few in there who pretend to be messianic.
---steve on 10/11/05

Steve who are this group of people who call themselves Christians yet wish to emphasize the old testament and diminish the new. I've never heard of such a thing. Could you give us more information please or tell us where you found out about this?
---M.P. on 10/11/05

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A building with no foundation will not stand. A belief without a history is fable. The very "scripture" Jesus taught from and is referred to many times in the N.T. is of course, the O.T. We are even instructed to search the scripture (Note:the N.T.wasn't written when that instruction was given). The God of the Old Testament is the Jesus of the New testament is the Holy Spirit for us.
If one is lost, all is lost (my prayerful opinion).
---mike_fl on 10/10/05

, we should be aware that there is a movement among many who call themselves christians, to emphasize the old testament and diminish the new. this is what Paul warned about in Galatians, and it still plagues us today.
---steve on 10/6/05 that man would not need to be punished if he accepted that sacrifice. Because the O.T. foretells His coming in such detail I feel we should use these prophecies, especially when speaking to doubters and agnostics who say that the bible is rubbish. By the way, please don't anyone think I'm ignoring any challenges in the coming weeks. After the end of this week I have to go away, for several weeks at least, and it's highly unlikely I'll have access to the internet until I return.
---Xanthi on 10/5/05

Alan and Steve, I appreciate you opinions here. I just happen to be one of those people who think that the O.T. is incredibly important because it shows us how God first created perfection, man sinned, God destroyed almost all His creation because of that sin and started virtually from the beginning again with 8 people. Sin multiplied again and God kept His promise NEVER to destroy the whole earth again in that way but sent a SAVIOUR (His Son) to take the punishment on Himself contd
---Xanthi on 10/5/05

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, xanthi, the New testament begins with the gospels of Jesus. what better place to start finding our savior than in matthew, where Jesus is shown to be the one the Jews were waiting for. i believe the New testament shows Jesus very clearly.
---steve on 10/4/05

Xanthi ... The OT is evidence that Jesus fulfilled the Jewish prophesies
That is not so emotionally relevant for Gentiles.
John's gospel gives a very brief but sound historical background which explains why Jesus came. It says we sin, and that Jesus saves.
That's what got me in ... all the fulfillment comes later, to prove one's initial acceptance.
---alan8869_of_UK on 10/2/05

Steve don't you think that the lost would be able to see Jesus more clearly if it could be pointed out to them that His coming was foretold hundreds of years before He actually came in human form? I think that much of the New Testament can be quite confusing if not read in conjunction with the Old Testament. They are meant to go together. Messianic Jews will often tell you that it was reading Isaiah 53 that gave them understanding and brought them to believe in Jesus as their Messiah.
---Xanthi on 10/2/05

Alot of people don't understand the Old Testament. The Old Testament ties into the New Testament. Reading the OT gives a person some knowledge of how powerful God is. And we can learn alot from the OT. It is still God's word and we should live by it daily.
---Rebecca_D on 10/1/05

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Jesus Himself claimed that the Old Testament was all about Him. He quoted from it. He believed it - all of it - literally. All the gospels are filled with references to OT fulfillment in Jesus. It seems inconceivable, therefore that anyone who takes the name Christian could denigrate His first book, the OT.
---jerry6593 on 10/1/05

Xanthi,I didn't have room for elaboration but the Bible says the OT is our SchoolMaster.It is intended to teach us God's ways of dealing with human kind and His will for Humankind.That includes all of OT.It shows us how God deals with everything concerning our lives in daily living and as His Child.My point is there is no salvation for us in OT.It's all in NT.We are set free from being captivies to ordinances and rituals of OT.
---Darlene_1 on 10/1/05

, the reason people give away the new testament instead of the entire Bible is that we want the lost to see Jesus first, so that they won't miss the central truth of Jesus being the full payment for our sins, (and the fulfillment of the the OT law).
---steve on 10/1/05

Amen, Ulrika! Excellent points and so very true. In fact, the Old Testament gives "proof" of its own validity because the words of the prophets came true in the person of Christ, often in the most amazing way!
---Crystal on 10/1/05

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Darlene, if we do not use the teachings of the old testament, especially the prophesies showing the future coming of Christ and how that actually was fulfilled we are missing a huge opportunity to show how God works.
---Xanthi on 10/1/05

In U.K. all my children were given, in school, a New Testament with Psalms, donated by a Christian charity. I cannot understand why they don't give a whole bible. When the New English Bible first came out we were all given one but that was a long time ago, late 1950s I think. I think I'll write to them and ask why the Old Testament is no longer given as well. We cannot truly understand the New without the Old.

Moderator - Probably due to printing costs.
---Paul on 10/1/05

Crystal, If the O.T. was good enough then Christ died in vain, and he had no need to come to earth. Thus the old is taken out of the way, and the new is established. You cannot serve two masters, the N.T. Law and the O.T. Law, for they are contrary one to the other. For example the O.T. Law commands an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and a life for a life; but the N.T. Law Jesus commands to turn the other cheek, love your enemy, and forgive those who hurt and use you. You cannot have it both ways.
---Eloy on 10/1/05

I don't think the OT can be dispensed with. It is a wealth of info about God, his character, love,mercy, and his creation, man(kind) and how God deals with them. It tells man is sinful. It tells history, law, songs, prayer, prophesies, God's promises, true love stories,lessons. It tells about the signs of Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14-16 the birth of the Messiah 9:6,7
---Ulrika on 9/30/05

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OT was never meant for Gentiles it was for the Jews,God's choosen people.The only way a Gentile received it was to become a convert to it's Laws.All ordinances of OT were nailed to the cross with Christ thus the NT and salvation for all people were ushered in condensed in the Law of Love and Faith.The Ten Commandments were summed up for the Gentiles,in two,Love God and neighbor.Love covers a multitude of faults/sins and looking at others through that Law and Living by it is living the Ten Commandments.
---Darlene_1 on 9/30/05

The whole bible is a prophetic history book of things past and things to come. Genesis through Acts talk about the past. History of past events for our learning. Romans through Philemon is practical instructions for living today. Hebrews through Revelations talks about things to come, after the rapture, coming into the tribulations and the setting up of the earthly kingdom that was promised.
---geraa7578 on 9/30/05


It is true that the Spirit gives life. Yes, we are now under "grace." However, neither of these principles make the OT dead or of no importance. The Old Testament is still the LIVING WORD OF GOD, and must be studied and embraced as much as the New to understand God's perfect plan - from the beginning. I am thankful for Jesus. Praise God! But I also know that He was with the Father from the very start!
---Crystal on 9/30/05

O.T. Levitical Law, B.C. before Christ; N.T. Judaic Law, A.D. annual of the Lord. "For the commandment that went before is Disannulled, because of its weakness and unprofitableness. For the Law made nothing perfect, but was an introduction of a better hope: by which hope we draw near to God. And for that cause was Jesus an establisher of a better Testament. Who has made us able to minister the New Testament, not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."
---Eloy on 9/30/05

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Regarding Israel's history (which is the OT), Paul said: "These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the fulfillment of the ages has come." (1 Corinthians 10:11)
---DoryLory on 9/30/05

Thanks for the responses so far. I had to ask these things because I have seen so many on C.N. state that we are no longer under the law and sometimes they refer to things in the O.T. as if they don't count any more. I disagree and so do some of you it seems. We still know we must not murder, commit adultery, steal etc. so, to expand my question, what does 'no longer under the law' actually mean?
---Paul on 9/30/05

"It's a switchblade instead of a sword", is the way a Christian friend of mine calls only a NT. To really understand the Bible, you need all of it. The NT can only be fully understood by knowing the OT. Its by knowing the OT we know why Christ came in the first place.
---WIVV on 9/29/05

There is as much or more about Jesus in the Old Testament as there is the new. Jesus is prophesied in the Old Testament. If you lose the OT you lose half the story.
---Annie on 9/29/05

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Jesus said it best when He said, "I have come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it!" The ten commandments? Still relevant! Along with many other clear directives, encouragements, and prophecies of the Old Testament. Better study BOTH to show yourself approved - a workman who need not be ashamed...
---Crystal on 9/29/05

IMO if you truly follow Gods word then this would include OT & NT ,not one or the other. For instance if I am correct the jewish religion follows the OT only,yet they claim they are Gods people!( maybe so)however those whom only follow the NT isn't obeying Gods word following ALL the Gospel!
---Candice on 9/29/05

, yes, the old testament is filled with obvious references to Jesus, and if you read the entire Bible, it all points to God sending his son to redeem us. the New testament tells of this most clearly, but so also does the old testament.
---steve on 9/29/05

I have heard it said like this:
The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed; the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.
---Linda_Smith on 9/29/05

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CONT. For instance, how many christians today realize that God had to shed innocent blood of an animal to make the coats of skin for Adam and Eve to cover their nakedness. That is also the reason people have problems understanding about annointing oil. And the blessings of honoring the Sabbath and the promises God has given us.
---PAT on 9/29/05

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