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Any stories about how taking the Masonic vows has had an effect on that person's family line? The Masons are purely satanic behind the scenes, in the upper part of the hierarchy even though the lower initiates are ignorant of this. Even so, the vows are binding and satanic and contain power.

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The Masons is a religious organization. George Washington was a Mason. I was an Honored Queen of Job's Daughters (which is related to the Masonic order.) They do not do anything that is disrespectful to God, or contrary to His word.
---Anne on 12/1/08

The Masons is a religious organization. George Washington was a Mason. I was once an Honored Queen of Job's Daughters (a religious organization affiliated with the Masons.) We did nothing that was contrary to God's word, but on the contrary esteemed God.

In my opinion the organization is very repetitive at their meetings, so to me it tends to be on the boring side. So, it is not an avenue I wish to continue on.

I think the main mission of Job's D. was to teach young girls, to grow into respectful young ladies, and to honor God and country. The Masons have a lot of charitable type missions.
---Anne on 12/1/08


Here is Pike reference:

Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, Albert Pike, Grand Commander, Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle, page 588
---Tom on 11/30/08

Thank you for your very kind compliments Roger. As a professional research analyst by profession, I dig in all kinds of graveyards (and elsewhere)for the truth and often discover that we are all too often misled by those that have an agenda.
---Lee1538 on 11/2/08


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---Roger on 11/1/08


You are correct! I am a liar! Like the Pope and many other churches and people! We are all masters of deception! Based on your postings, you are definitely not a proponent of Freemasonry. Thanks for the compliment and scripture reference. I tried to submitt this before yours, but it was not posted on the blog.

You are absolutely correct in everything you say! You are an intellectual Giant, a true sage or adept!
---Roger on 11/1/08

Roger - While definitely not a proponent of Freemasonry, I can see there is lots of misinformation and simply false information out there about Freemasonry provided by those who apparently have an agenda.

Where in Morals & Dogma by Pike is your reference to your belief that 'Freemasonry is the Religion of Lucifer or Satan'?

page number please!

I have some of their literature including Morals & Dogma and we would very much like to verify what you state.

Perhaps it is your religion that is of Satan if what you state about Freemasonry is lies. We read that Satan is a liar and a murderer (John 8:44)
---Lee1538 on 10/26/08

---Roger on 10/26/08

There is a difference between standing in the sun and standing in a rock.
In one there is light, in the other darkness.
In one you are surrounded by the light, in the other you can only see the light.
In one there is life, in the other death.

I speak to all.
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

I just think it needed to be said!
---frank on 10/26/08

"The Masonic religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. . . Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay (Jesus) is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two Gods: darkness being necessary to light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. . ."The doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer"
Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry"
---Roger on 10/26/08

Shirley ... Not entirely right.

Freemasons have to beleive in a divinne being... the Creator.

But it can be the god of any religion, not necessarily the Father God of Judaism & Christianity
---alan_of_UK on 10/26/08

Well you don't know what you are talking about.I don't belong to the Masons.(couldn't afford it)but you have to be of high moral charactor to belong (no felons need apply) you are required to do at least one good deed a day and you have to believe in God although not necesarily Christ.Jews can belong but you have to believe in Father God.
---shirley on 10/25/08

My previous post is from Manly P. Hall "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry He clearly states that "as a Mason his religion must be universal"!

Freemasonry is the Religion of Lucifer or Satan. Freemasons will argue that Lucifer is the good or "Intellectual Lucifer" and misunderstood!

Reference: Albert Pike "Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry"
---Roger on 10/25/08

Masonry is definitely a religion as stated by Manly P. Hall and Albert Pike.

The true Mason is not creed-bound. He realizes with the divine illumination of his lodge that as a Mason his religion must be universal: Christ, Buddha or Mohammed, the name means little, for he recognizes only the light and not the bearer. He worships at every shrine, bows before every altar, whether in temple, mosque or cathedral, realizing with his truer understanding the oneness of all spiritual truth.

No true Mason can be narrow, for his Lodge is the divine expression of all broadness
---Roger on 10/24/08

"Freemasonry, though not a religion, is essentially religious. Most of its legends and allegories are of a sacred nature, much of it is woven into the structure of Christianity." Manly P. Hall, Author of Lost keys of Freemasonry.

There really does not even appear to be any consensus even among Masons as to the nature of their organization. Some think of it as a religion, others do not.
---Lee1538 on 10/24/08

"Every Masonic lodge is a temple of religion, and its teachings are instruction in religion...Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it... The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason every man's conception of God must be proportioned to his mental cultivation, and intellectual powers, and moral excellence. God is, as man conceives him, the reflected image of man himself." Albert Pike
---Roger on 10/24/08

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When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.

Manley P. Hall "The Lost Keys of Freemasonry"
---Roger on 10/24/08

They don't tell you it's devil worship because it ISN'T. None of the Masons in my family (including my bro, a 33rd degree mason) even believed in a Devil..they laughed at me because I do.

They have some pretty strange rituals, but they are based on the building of Solomon's temple...hence, "masons". You and some others may see Satanic symbolism in it, but the Masons don't.

I know nothing about this Pike guy, but Geo. Washington was a 32 degree mason so they must have had many degrees in the 1700's.

Also, the Masons are not a single organization. There is the Blue Lodge, Scottish Rite, The York Rite, the Knight Templar, the Shrine....and many Masonic related groups.Don't ask me the difference.
---Donna66 on 10/21/08


I am not lying! Why would I? Freemasons proclaim in their literature that it is not a religion. Several of their most prominent authorities on the subject (Albert Pike) have clearly stated that it is a religion in their writings! Why do they deny this to the public? I suspected you were a "traveling man" based on your previous posts. Typically Freemasons will counter all arguements against the "Craft" by stating that all the Presidents and Founding Fathers were Freemasons, so how could it be Luciferian? As far as the daily activities of the Lodge, I agree with you that "Satan Worship" is not readily apparent to most members. Why do Freemasons perform funeral rites if they are not a religion?
---Roger on 10/21/08

Roger = I used to be a member of the Masonic lodge and possess much of their literature. Your statement that they engage in 'devil worship' is just one more example of the lies and misinformation that you find in anti-Masonic literature.

While I can agree that there are points of disagreements in Masonic literature, there is no obligation to accept everything in that literature.

If you are going to expose Freemasonry, suggest that you reference your statements to their literature and in context, otherwise, we will be believing the lies you and others are spreading and that kind of thing once discerned really discounts what you state.
---Lee1538 on 10/21/08

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My postings are here to educate people what Freemasonry really is! How could anyone know what it represents? They do not tell you it is Devil worship. No one or very few people would join if they told the truth! The 33rd degree has special meaning in Masonry. It represents 1/3 of all the angels that were cast out of heaven with Satan (Take Demons Quiz). When you receive the first three degrees you are placed in the Northeast corner of the Lodge. This is to pay homage to Satan and the deliverance of another soul to him. Satan was in the north after being cast out of heaven. Take demons quiz on this website. It is very useful.
---Roger on 10/20/08

Roger - *One other point. The majority of US Presidents were not Freemasons

My research tells me that it is very true that the majority of US Presidents were NOT Freemasons. In fact, John Adams truly opposed membership in the lodge, suggesting that the country would be better off without the Masonic Lodge.

There were only 14 US Presidents that had membership in the Lodge but most were really not active participants.
---Lee1538 on 10/6/08

Albert Pike change Freemasonry by adding additional degrees (from the 3rd to the 33).

All of the Founding Fathers were not Freemasons! There were a small number when you take into consideration all of those individuals who were involved in the founding of our country. Freemasons take great liberties with history and often try to rewrite it(to enhance Freemasonry)! Many would have you believe that everything great about this country is due to Freemasonry! This is absurd and a gross distortion of history. It is also an insult to all those individuals who contributed to the founding and defense of this nation.

One other point. The majority of US Presidents were not Freemasons
---Roger on 10/2/08

The question I would like you experts on Freemasonry to answer is this.

All the founders of our nation belonged to the Masonic lodge and were considered godly men.

But the founder of modern masonry was Albert Pike (1860's). So what was the nature of Masonry prior to Pike? Did Pike really make some major changes? Or was our founding fathers deceived?
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08

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Christ's teachings on Secrecy! Please reflect on these passages before joining a Lodge of Freemasons!

Jesus said to the high priest: "I spoke openly to the world, and in secret I have said nothing" (John 18:20).

Bible Version: Unknown

"I have spoken openly to the world," Jesus replied. "I always taught in synagogues or at the temple, where all the Jews come together. I said nothing in secret.

New International Version of Bible

Jesus answered him, I spoke openly to the world". I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing.

King James Version of Bible

Ex Mason for Christ
---Roger on 9/27/08

I forgot to mention in my previous posting that I was an active Freemason. Freemasonry is a religion and is not compatible with Christianity. If anyone tells you otherwise, they are ignorant of the truth or deliberately lying to you!

You will encounter Freemasons at church and in other organizations. Many of these individuals are unaware of the true beliefs behind the fraternity. These individuals are often 3rd degreed Masons. Knowledge or light is obtained when you proceed to the higher degrees of the Scottish or York Rite. At these levels you become aware of the true meaning of Masonry.
---Roger on 9/20/08

Freemasonry claims not to be a religion, yet when you read "Morals and Dogma of Freemasonry" by Albert Pike he specifically states that it is a religion. In the book he also revels the true identity of the "Grand Architect of the Universe" (GAOTU) as Lucifer! Freemasons will deny this and tell you it is a publishing hoax initiated by Leo Taxil (also a Freemason). Albert Pike was a Satanist and is considered one of the greatest Freemasons!
On another subject: George Washington was baptised a Catholic on his death bed! Freemasons never mention that! I wonder why?
---Roger on 9/20/08

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The Freemasons are an organization whose beliefs are incompatible with Christianity. If you think they are a benevolent group you are not in the know, and even members may not be in the know. After they progress up the levels, they are forced to remain silent because the freemasons by that time have the goods on you, and could see you jailed if they come out and speak. They work by threats and black mail. Their aim is working against the countries they are in, and so when politicians become freemasons, they are devils in disguise, so to speak. You cannot know who exactly they are working for unless you do the studying.
---frances008 on 9/8/08

Good ole Lee on these different blogs. His views and experiences are similar to mine. although I don't know the guy. I was an attending Mason at one time in a small local lodge.
The ding a lings on here that make these wild statements should do some research. There is nothing satanic...but, there is nothing Christ promoting either. It is good works driven. It is universalism or politically correctism. There is nothing universal in scripture or the new testament. Catholic means universal and the same problems exist with their fruitless customs and doctrines. Christ is by passed. We need only go through the Christ is why I don't practice this waste of time anymore. Sorry is that is blunt but the 125 word limit.
---Trav on 9/8/08

The trouble with a so-called "secret organization" is that it encourages all sorts of wild speculation.

The Masons are an ancient organization, from at least the Middle ages. They practice a rather dull ritual based on the building of Solomon's temple (thus, masons)

All the men in my family were Masons.. My brother, a 33rd degree mason, Grand Master of the the State of Colorado. He was not Satanic, just very New Age. Many join for the business and professional contacts and don't take the teachings all that seriously.

My father was a 32nd degree Mason who was a deist and considered Satan (and much of the Bible) mythological. But the Lord allowed me to lead him to the Jesus months before his death.
---Donna66 on 9/8/08

It is difficult to find the truth.

I have a real Christian friend, who is a Mason ... reached the penultimate level. He finds nothing Satanic in it at all. He has told me the aims of masonry, which are basically good moral & social.

I know him well enough to believe he is not lying.

Masonry is not specifically Christian ... but there is no reason why we should not join non-Christian groups ... a madel-railway club is not Christianm but why not join, it gives you the opportunity to be a Christian among those people?
---alan_of_UK on 9/6/08

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Why would you join the masons? Is Christ not enough for you? Obviously you think there is some material benefit in being a member, or else you are just a member through family traditions. How is it you 'know' it is not Satanic, when clearly their rites invoke a god, and it is not Jesus Christ. All their symbolism shows what they are about, a New World Order, in direct rebellion against God. People who say they do not know this are too ignorant for words. They just do not want to know.
---frances008 on 9/5/08

I cannot believe the sheer and utter flagrant misrepresentation of Masonic rituals that lead to such an unsupported statement, I have been a Mason for some years now and nothing I have seen or heard or subscribed to could possibly be interpreted as "satanic"
---Paul on 9/5/08

Anderson - if you believe that Masons are a satanic cult, then you would have to conclude that nearly all the founding fathers of the United States were cultists!

I used to be a Master Mason, but found the lodge to believe in deism coupled with a lot of Rosicrucianism type philosophy.
---Lee on 1/10/08

How ignorant the masons are... They are a saranic cult who worship baal ( satan) we are not stupid !!! We know the truth that masons at the highest degree worship satan
---Anderson on 1/9/08

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Bill - all too often people that belong to the Masonic lodge do not rightfully represent it. For instance, I once had a Mason tell me that he did not need the church as the lodge is all he really needed.

And many mistake the lodge for a religion as it has ceremonials that are religious in nature.

Some denominations will even disfellowship you if you belong to a lodge. A good example is the Missouri Synod Lutheran. I am not sure if the Evangelical Lutheran chruch of America has that policy.
---lee on 4/1/07

Iam a32%s.r.mason,also a shriner,i dont know where some of you people are coming from but it sounds like you have no clue,and i think you are talking off the wall!i enjoy the blue lodge,get a grip and do a reailty check!!
---bill on 4/1/07

I'm glad you saw the light. I was never a mason but my father was a 32 degree. As a christian, we went round and round about it many times. When he was in his last days, I tried once again to talk to him about it and he said to me, "I'll take my chances".
I have done much study about it and when I talk to masons, they tell me that I know more than the average mason.
I know about the "blood oathes" they swear .... and they are as ungodly as anything a person could hear.
---Chipper on 3/21/07

Chipper - Yes I have been a Mason for several years but dropped out for a variety of reasons.

When they asked me to pray during my 3rd degree, I prayed in Jesus' name.

I can understand that since the Masons accept anyone who believes in a god into their fraternal order, that some would be sensitive to praying in the name of Jesus, but nowhere in the literature do I see it forbidden. In fact, the York Rite favors Christians as much of their works are focused on the New Testament.
---lee on 3/20/07

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Clipper - *And yes, they are a religion of their own*

And that is one good reason one should not be a Mason, because it is really a competitor of the church. I have heard too many masons say that the lodge is all their need; not the church.
It is really a fraternal order having a religious structure even with its own burial ceremony.
---lee on 3/20/07

I have one. A very public story of the seriousness of the masonic vows. If you know the vows and what they say you may see how this panned out. The story is the oj simpson trial.

I purposely do not capitalize some proper nouns.
---MARK on 3/20/07

Lee, I doubt that The Masons will ever cease to exist. The Shriners are a HUGE organization and you must be a Mason to become a Shriner.
---NVBarbara on 3/20/07

Yes, the 33 degree is confered. They cannot apply for it. You sounds like you may be or have been a mason. As you may know, no one in a higher degree may discuss anything they know with a brother of a lower degree.
The bad thing is, they are forbidden to mention the name of Jesus in the lodge.
And yes, they are a religion of their own. They have been hoodwinked.... by satan.
Shibboleth and Ma Ha Bone ....
---Chipper on 3/20/07

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Chipper - the 33rd degree is an honorary degree not earned by the Mason but is granted for some outstanding public service.

All lodges are exclusive as are most churches, but is it not really a matter on how you view it; as a fraternal organization or a religuous substitute?

I view it more from the latter than the former.

In any case, the Masonic lodge is a dying organization and probably will eventually cease to exist.
---lee on 3/20/07

Most all masons up to the 32nd degree are nothing more than "feeders" for the 33rd degree and the rest of the elite who are trying to control everything in the world.
Behind all the facades of good deeds lies a more sinister working that the majority of worlds citizens are not aware of.
Freemasonry is in a league of it's own and can in no way be compared to the Lions, Elks, Moose, et al.
---Chipper on 3/20/07

Freemasonry is much a part of the world system as the Kiwanis, Rotary, Moose Lodge, Elks, Lions, etc.

But the fraternal order has been useful as far as charitable causes are concerned and they do or have provided a balance to the influence of the Vatican in their attempt to undermine democracies.
---lee on 3/19/07

Freemasons, whether they know it or not, are fellowshipping with the works of darkness.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Masons have 3 great lights ... but Jesus is the only light of the world.
---Chipper on 3/18/07

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In the "blue lodge" did you swear the oath to have your throat cut across and your tongue torn out by the root and burried in the rough sands of the sea, if you ever reveal any of the secrets you were about to learn?
Have you been "hood-winked"? Do you use the "lions grip" of the lions paw, to shake hands?
What degree are you?
Do you know who wrote the 33 degrees of the of the Scotish Rite?
---Chipper on 3/18/07

Shiboleth and Ma Ha Bone. Hiram was a substitute for Jesus Christ.
Freemasons are forbidden to pray in Jesus' name in their lodge meetings.
They are brother masons with all other religions in the world, Buddaism, Shinto, Vishna, Islamic, and all others.
Freemasonry is a religion in and of itself.
---Chipper on 3/16/07

Aren't symbols on the USA dollar bills meant to be masonic? All seeing eye, the pyramid... Anyone in the USA ever tried petitioning to change them?
---Khadijah on 3/9/07

The Mormon endowment parallels the Masonic ceremonies in many respects and uses a large number of Masonic symbols and elements. There are also many differences, including the very purpose of the ceremonies. Masons deliberately skirt religious issues while religion and salvation are the heart of the Mormon endowment. Lastly, the Masonic elements in the Mormon endowment were much more pronounced at its inception, and many have been deleted as the ceremony has undergone periodic revisions.
---DespainD. on 3/5/07

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Though he is not a perfect guy, I always am praying about him and for him, and I must say the clumsiness is completely gone now, and I am noticing that he is less selfish, It has been a hard road for me, but I pressed on and got through it, as I pray I do see a great difference, and there is hope for every christian who has faith in God to beleive for a change, for their loved ones who have had Masonic associations.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/5/07

Thank you for posting the question, and all of you who are writing into this I also say thankyou. I am a christian, and my husband told me he was a christian also. His father used to wear a masonic ring on his finger and masonic jewelry was in his dads house. etc. I have been married many years now to this fellow, and I never could understand his hatred for women, he even hates me, but lies and calls it love, Recently, it was revealed to a prophet that someone with a clumsy spirit....PART 1
---Cynthia_1 on 3/5/07

I immediately knew she was talking about my husband, because he was always dropping things, not only my new born puppy, did he drop on the hard tile floor, when both of my children were born, he forgot that he was standing up holding them and dropped them over and over and over again on a hard tile floor, I can tell you thousands, of things I don't have time here, he is extremely selfish, and narcissistic. When he in came in the door from work I told him of the prophet, and asked if it was him? PART 2
---Cynthia_1 on 3/5/07

He then sat down and said yes she is right, My Father was, My Grandfather was, and they also initiated me when I was small, also my X-wife was a High Priest. I was shocked, because he never told me a thing, about any of this, until 19 years later in the marriage. I am still dealing with the forces of evil that exude from him daily, but after all of these years, I have learned to depend 100% on the Holy Spirit to help me. Legions of demons can, and do enter a masonic individual.
---Cynthia_1 on 3/5/07

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bet you wont show this but i am a freemason and achristian i hold office in masonic lodge i have never seen so many lies printed about the upright civil and christian order i belong to call yourself a christian
---tony on 3/4/07

Masonic is satanic.
---Mason on 6/24/06

2/... As a very young girl I remember there was a Freemason Lodge just near where I lived. A murder happened in that Lodge. The strange and interesting thing was that all mention of the murder totally disappeared and to my knowledge no-one ever knew what happened. All they needed was the police to be Freemasons and therefore on their side -- this explains why it got totally hushed up.
---Helen_5378 on 6/3/06

I know a Freemason. He reckons his mother dead though she is alive; his marriage ended up in divorce; one daughter is a prostitute. This man refuses to have his hernia operated on -- I understood why when I read about the vows they take ... they can rip his guts out. I don't blame him for being terrified, so would I. He thinks nothing of doing anything wrong -they have secret signs so if a policeman or Judge were Freemason they have to be on his side and get him satanic is that?
---Helen_5378 on 6/3/06

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The 3rd degree masons that I have heard, are into satanic rituals and heavily practice the black arts. How they attain their degrees. Certain women are unknowingly setup as (tarot card) The Priestess. She opens the doors to all universal knowledge and he attains the knowledge. They rise to greater heights in the world while the woman goes into depths of hell on earth. meaning.. the man takes all the benefits while the woman receives all the travails he can deliver.
---Jordan on 6/3/06

I just purchased a Masonic Bible via Ebay so that I can reference the notes pertaining to the Masonic symbolisms. The lodge that I used to belong to is no longer in existence as the Masonic lodge really is a dying organization that really does not present any danger to the Christian faith. Its beliefs are largely deism, Rosicrucianism, and other late 19th centuries pseudo religious philosophies having little or no interest to anyone today save a few scholars.
---lee on 12/3/05

Masons may be just one more thing that started good and got "twisted".Remember the "snake on the pole" that was given in the desert to Israel to heal them when they were snake bit?..500 yrs later the pole was being worshiped(Instead of the God that supplied it.)
---lovable_linda on 12/3/05

Yes and the father of our country - USA, was also a member of the Masonic lodge as were many others that had strong Christian values and convictions. However, Geo Washington was really not a very active member as the lodges like to portray him as such.
---lee on 11/16/05

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Samuel Adams - Masons Ethan Allen - Mason
Edmund Burke - Mason John Claypoole - Mason William Daws - Mason
Benjamin Franklin - Mason
Nathan Hale - No evidence of Masonic connections
John Hancock - Mason
Benjamin Harrison Thomas Jefferson - Deist with some evidence of Masonic connections
John Paul Jones - Mason Robert Livingston - Mason
---Len_K on 11/10/05

My major objection to the Masonic lodge is that it teaches universalism - the concept that many paths lead to God and all men are children of God destined for salvation based largely on their works. But the main problem I have with the anti-masonic literature is that the masonic lodge and its teachings are often distorted and simply untrue.

Moderator - Which points in the typical literature are distorted?
---lee on 10/28/05

Eloy - yes the Zembo Shrine is a masonic organization. They have a website that you can view. Many wealthy business man belong to Shrines.

The Shriner organization is probably one of largest chariable organizations in the world. They have free hospitals and often raise money for other worthy purposes. Because of their good works in the charity field, it is often hard to criticize them.

While works do not save, 'if you have done it unto the least of mine, you have done it unto me'.
---lee on 10/27/05

i think my deceased earthly father was into the Zembo Shrine organization, but i'm not sure if it is Masonic. But i'm born-again of the Holy Spirt and Papa is my Father now, so whatever sins my earthly father was engaged in has no power over me. i thank God for my salvation, and i pray the rest of my family and friends also become saved and become born-again Christians.
---Eloy on 10/27/05

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Maxine - "...yes I believe many Presidents have been masonic satanic worshippers and loved the "power" it gave them.'

The powers that be are from God Himself or ordained by Him. You really need to stop and think about things like this before you pen them otherwise you will fail on this forum topic like you did on the Harry Potter topic.
---lee1538 on 10/26/05

Maxine - "... have you renounced your vows to the Masonic Lodge?"

I really never considered them binding in the first place. The vows are to not devolve the secrets of masonry.

Ben Franklin once made the remark that the only secret the Masons have is that they really do not have any secrets.
---lee on 10/25/05

Maxine - "How can a grown man be led around a room in a hood, with a rope (cable tow) around his neck?"

Masonic rituals are simply play acting. In the initiation a person is lead around in a hood and cable tow in reenactment of the murder and burial of Hiram, who was believed to be the chief architect of King Solomon's temple.

Many other fraternal orders have similar initiation rituals.

Masonic vows are ridiculous but that is part of their membership requirements.
---lee on 10/25/05

Moderator - "It sounds like an extension of college with a bunch of silliness at the lower levels?"

Totally ageee that much in the freemasonry literature is just silliness but provides something to do for old men who can't find much else to do. Much of their cultic rituals are simply play acting.

It is interesting to learn of ancient esoteric religious beliefs. But I would not consider these beliefs to be necessarily satanic; but more of the world philosophical-religious system.

Moderator - Probably more pagan than satanic?
---lee on 10/25/05

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Maxine - "How do you explain the fact that all books, the Koran, The Bible etc are laid on the altar as one and all of the same?"

Never seen a Koran on a Masonic altar; doubt if you ever will.

Theoretically an Islamic or even a Hindu can join the Masonic lodge as the frateral order does not consider itself to be a religion, only that they require belief in a supreme being and be of good moral character.

They believe that all religions possess some truths worthy of study.
---lee on 10/25/05

taylor - Freemasonry as a secret society did much to undermine the powers of the papacy. For instance, nearly all the leadership in Victor Emmanuel II government were Freemasons. They were the ones that overthrow the Papacy States and united Italy under a common goverment. The Knights of Columbus is a similar fraternal organization to Freemasonry that pledges loyality to the pope.
---lee on 10/25/05

Maxine - "In the rite of the 32nd degree the Mason pledges allegiance to the god MITRA,..."

Much Masonic literature (Morals & Dogma, Ancient & Accepted Rites) is esoteric studies on ancient religious beliefs believing that there is some wisdom to be gained therein.

One section views the mysteries of Mithras who was the Sun-god of the Persians (feast day 25 December) but I do not see any pledge of allegiance to that god, merely a study of ancient beliefs.
---lee on 10/25/05

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