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Holocaust Punishment From God

A minister threw a spooky question to his congregation one Sunday. Did you ever consider the holocaust as a punishment to the Jewish people for not accepting Christ? Although Jewish people were not the only ones murdered, I would like some input on this. Thank you.

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The deaths of those millions of gentiles (with the exception of the Gypsies) were not an attempt to totally exterminate entire races of people, as the extermination of the Jews was.

Attempting to murder millions of people from other countries is a reprehensible act of war. Attempting to murder millions OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE is something on another level entirely.
---StrongAxe on 12/21/11

Nerver mentioned by the Jews.
---John on 12/21/11

No, the Jews (as a nation) did no say "we have no king but Caesar". A bunch of Jewish people in a mob, incited by some Parisees, said that. They were not authorized to speak for all Jews everywhere.

This question is based on the notion "bad things happen to bad people" (implying "if bad happens to you, you must be a bad person"). This kind of thinking is very common among young children.

The apostles thought this way when they asked who sinned - the man born blind, or his parents, and Jesus corrected them. He also corrected those who thought similarly about the Galieans whose blood Pilate mixed with their sacrifices, or those who were crushed when the Tower of Siloam fell.
---StrongAxe on 12/21/11

there are those that have birthright and there are those who say they have birthright but do not.

two groups...which group do you think they were trying to kill off. which do you think bankrolled the extermination?
---aka on 12/21/11

Israel rejected their Messiah when they cried out "Away with him, away with him, cruicify him. We have no king but Caesar." John 19:15. ---barb on 12/18/11

another half-verse misquote:

John 19:15 They cried out, "Away with him, away with him, crucify him!" Pilate said to them, "Shall I crucify your King?" The chief priests answered, "We have no king but Caesar."

The Jews said crucify Him, the chief priests said that they have no king but Caesar.

jews and those who say they are jews but are not.
---aka on 12/21/11

Wow! Some very twisted anti-semites here.
---Jed on 12/20/11

Israel rejected their Messiah when they cried out "Away with him, away with him, cruicify him. We have no king but Caesar." John 19:15.
---barb on 12/18/11

You make a correct statement in a 12th part. That 1/12th part being Judah. Judah does not equal "all" Israel. Judah represents 1/12th. The "Lost Sheep" 10/12ths did accept him for the most part. You called them by a Latin word "gentiles" which is translated from "ethnos/Nations". Implying the nations of divorced 10 of Israel other than Judah. Matt 15:24, points. As does all other scripture when this is found and researched.
---Trav on 12/19/11

God's ways are not our ways.
But some good things from the holocaust. The state of Israel, the UN (even though it has problems), awarness of the depravity of man. God works for good in all thing to those who love him. The same way the "holocaust" in Egypt lead to the first nation of Israel.
---Scott1 on 12/18/11

I think God is saying that His ordinances will never pass away even if the seed of Israel is cast away.

Jesus told the priests and elders of Israel in Matt 21:43 that the kingdom of God would be taken away from them and given to a nation bringing forth good fruit. This nation (Gentiles) would keep the 10 commandments of God and believe in the testimony of Jesus. Rev. 12:17. See also the 10 woes in Matt 23:13-39.

Israel rejected their Messiah when they cried out "Away with him, away with him, cruicify him. We have no king but Caesar." John 19:15.
---barb on 12/18/11

I don't believe the holocaust was a punishment from God, death and evil is the result of sin. Sinful man are responsible. God permits sin to continue till He is good and ready to do away with sin. I believe that most of those who speak against Israel try to conbine what God did to them through history for disobeying Him, and conclude He was behind the slaughter of the Jews but so many others were also burned in the ovens. Not just Jews. This was sin at it's highest level. Though God restrains sin, He still permits sin to continue.
---Mark_V. on 12/19/11 He said He would in Daniel 9:24 and Duet 30:15-20.
Israel is no longer God's chosen .....---barb on 12/15/11

My knowledge is not complete...but, there are the scriptures u mentioned to consider and signs/marks of the people.
First of all....unless the Moon and Sun are gone..Jer 31:34-36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Israel is chosen...Judah who may or "may not be", who you think they are 1/12th. GOD is not unaware of where the 11/12ths remnant are scattered.
Heb 8:8= both houses collectively, as do prophets/apostles.
---Trav on 12/17/11

I do not think the holocaust was a punishment from God. God withdrew His protection from Israel when they failed to make an end to sin and bring in righteousness just as He said He would in Daniel 9:24 and Duet 30:15-20.

Israel is no longer God's chosen one but as individuals they can still repent and be born again by the Holy Spirit.

God doesn't punish those He loves, He corrects and teaches and sometimes it is a hard road to walk and that is why we pray not my will but thy will be done.
---barb on 12/15/11

and I have often Have read the Bible over many times , and I have thought it was true , that was why Isreal was punished
---Alex_Archutick on 12/14/11

The verses were put forth for all to read and contemplate uncluding you and me.
I must apologize for it's directness and in retrospect should have put up comments from all involved.
Rebuke, chastisement and correction is very easy to misinterpret on a blog.
Thank you and God bless.
---micha9344 on 8/14/10

Mecha, your answers are always sound and true, but the passages you gave you gave to the wrong person. You must be in another part of the globe and were not listening, because you have not seen what she has said to so many others. I judge her by her fruits. You can judge me by mine. I hold on to love for others no less then you. And if you knew my heart your would be able to see that, for you took the time to only condemn me. Yet, I do not condemn you.
---Dan on 8/13/10

i think it is possibly God's refining. But not necessarily so for all those who perished. I think it was a matter of those who were misled and the misleaders, being unfortunately swept away and actually, made a terrible example of. although it's not to justify someone like hitler, that seems unthinkable. why not just send them all to israel instead? or anywhere?
it was elie wiesel, the jewish survivor of the holocaust, who told the story of the european jewish prophet who went door to door to warn jewish communities by a vision of impending disaster that God sent him to warn them about. BUT none listened! this is one of the morals of that whole story. They are separated from God, and need reconciled, by accepting God's own Messiah, Yeshua.
---2bperfected on 8/13/10

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the holocaust is probably a continuation of the old covenant, which the jews are still under, because they never accepted the new covenant in christ. they do not get the benefit of forgiveness as christians do through the washing of the blood of christ. there is a specific benefit under the new covenant. ok, so the holocaust is just one more part of what God did through the millennia, He put the jews through refining process. The ones who were left, are called the Remnant. So it has been ongoing over the centuries, and now we see that scripture prophesy is coming true about bringing them back to Israel: that is, the Remnant is brought back there.
---2bperfected on 8/13/10

'...Kathr...she...She is the one stirring the pot...she...She...She brings division between others...She...Very bad person to join hands with.'--Dan on 8/12/10
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Mat 7:2-3 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
1Cor 10:10,12 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer...Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
---micha9344 on 8/12/10

Jerry, since Kathr has been speaking against the Catholics almost daily she now calls Mel Gibson anti-semitic because he is Catholic. She is the one stirring the pot when she makes comments against the Catholic Church. She is anti-Catholic instead of anti-Jew.
God said to love everyone. She brings division between others. knows not how to preach the word of God in love. She will turn on you too. Very bad person to join hands with.
---Dan on 8/12/10

GOD loves all humans even Jews. We are to love all people especially Jews.
---Samuel on 8/6/10

Samuel, I grew up this way so, and know your heart is good. But, reality is GOD doesn't love everyone. Neither do you I would guess. GOD hated Esau, and mentions other things he hates. David was the most logical of all when he states:Psalm 139:21
Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Proverbs 6:16
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
---Trav on 8/10/10

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Dan: Just how were kathr's comments anti-semitic. Seems to me just the opposite.
---jerry6593 on 8/7/10

jerry, some people just like sturring the pot. I didn't want to reply to dan's comment, finding it really ODD to begin with. However reading dan's last 20 posts, It would appear dan is one of those..lets all get along kinda people.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/10

I agree with francis.
---micha9344 on 8/7/10

Dan: Just how were kathr's comments anti-semitic. Seems to me just the opposite.
---jerry6593 on 8/7/10

Ever since we are babies, we have a natural instinct to try to find a rational explanation for EVERYTHING. For example, many children are traumatized by divorce because they see no reason for it, so they deduce that it must be their own fault.

Whenever bad things happen, Christians often try to rationalize them: when sinners suffer calamities, it must be God punishing them, but when Christians suffer calamities, it must be Satan persecuting them. We also heard this kind of rhetoric after 9/11, Katrina, and now BP. They don't dare to think that the rain falls on both the just and the unjust (and that would also apply to acid rain as well).
---StrongAxe on 8/6/10

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Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Which prophet did he use to say that the holocaust as a punishment to the Jewish people for not accepting Christ?
---francis on 8/6/10

No. the murderer was Hitler himself, God had nothing to do with it. he gave us freewill, & unfortunally the situation was very bad & millions lost their lives. God isnot behind man made destruction. Only with nature, however not all natural disasters are from him either. If he were behind it it would wipe out the majority of mankind, not just a small section (weather wise)
---Candice on 8/6/10

An english politician proposed the "Balfour Treaty" after ww1,it made a way for Jews to return to what was then Palestine...for whatever reason the proposal was not acted it has been said that if it had been many Jews would have gone back earlier,deliverance if you like by a changed history...I dont know,but after ww2 the impetus and drive to return was very real,for obvious reasons.The holocaust was a warning for all nations in these times...and it was all topped off with a demonstration of nuclear warfare,so look out mankind Armegeddon will be the end for everyone not at peace with his brother and God!
---richard on 8/6/10

mima, I did read jody's post as you pointed to. I believe we live in the age of GRACE. All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Jews like Gentiles are declared sinners. God does not single out anyone and take revenge NOW on those who reject Him. Remember too, when the Church first began Jews..individual Jews, thousands of them were saved...

Does God perform genocide on all we hear about today because they rejected Jesus??? or just Jews? Hardly! Then you have to prove hate crimes are performed against those who reject Jesus.

---kathr4453 on 8/6/10

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It is the Devil who wants to destroy Jews since their very existence speaks to the truth of scripture. Millions of Cambodians were also killed by an atheist madman. So what were they being punished for?

6 million Jews died. Hitler also murdered in the gas chambers another 6 million people. What was their crime?

The crime of all he killed was being under the rule of a Murdering meglomaniac that the world was slow in stopping.

GOD loves all humans even Jews. We are to love all people especially Jews.
---Samuel on 8/6/10

---jody on 2/26/09 has given a very good answer to this question.
---mima on 8/6/10

Kathr. You are anti-semetic, always stiring the pot.
---Dan on 8/5/10

Perhaps someone has brought this up already, but Germany had the largest percentage of Jews who had converted to Christianity of all the countries in Europe. But they went to the gas chambers along with the rest of the Jews. If it was God's idea to kill there converts, it was not because they weren't Christian. It would have to be for some other reason....
---ger.toshav on 8/5/10

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Even the proposal of such a statement on ChristiaNet reeks of antisemitism.
---Friendly_Blogger on 8/6/10

Nellah: If your pastor were correct (and he's not), then God would have been in partnership with Hitler.

2Co 6:14 ... what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Make no mistake, ALL evil comes from Satan - not from God.
---jerry6593 on 8/6/10

God is not continually punishing the Jewish people, but it makes perfect sense that Satan would be continually trying to wipe them out.
---Linda on 8/4/10

AMEN Linda!!!

Interestngly enough, Hitler saw a Passion Play, exactly like the one Mel Gibson brought to screen, that incited so much hatred for the Jews. This is why the Jewish anti-defamation league got involved and much of Gibson's movie was edited out. We also know Mel is anti-Semitic, and I've always wondered if he wasn't trying to start something..

When this type(Mels type) of play was acted out publicly at Easter over the centuries these plays prompted pogroms and riots against Jews.
---kathr4453 on 8/5/10

Isaiah 54:(God speaking to Israel/Zion), "To me this is like the days of Noah, when I swore that the waters of Noah would never again cover the earth. So now I have sworn not to be angry with you, never to rebuke you again. Thought the mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, yet my unfailing love for you will not be shaken nor my covenant of peace be removed,' says the Lord who has compassion on you." I believe Isaiah's words had both immediate fulfillment when the Jews were freed from Babylonian captivity, and future fulfillment when Jesus will return and establish the New City of Jerusalem. God is not continually punishing the Jewish people, but it makes perfect sense that Satan would be continually trying to wipe them out.
---Linda on 8/4/10

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"Love your neighbor as you love yourself" whether they be Christian, Jew, Muslim or other. The question is unaswerable since we don't know the mind of God. Further, speculation on such a provocative question could lead some to hatred and personal acts of evil. Leave all judgement and retribution to God.
---Randy on 7/31/10

Obviously God allowed the holocaust to happen

Can we know the reason? Maybe so, but it is better we do not try to persuade others of the reason..... remember the people who were trying to persuade Job!
---peter3594 on 6/7/10

Even so, there were two others in the 20th century who did much worse (Stalin and Mao, the latter if whom killed Christians specifically) and no-one asked why that happened
---James on 6/7/10

We know that Hitler was possessed of Satan, and was a mass murderer, and now he himself is justly tormented in the everlasting fires of hell.
---Eloy on 6/7/10

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NO! That was pure evil. Plain and simple.
---catherine on 6/5/10

This pastor doesn't sound very wise. What was he trying to accomplish with this question? And when preparing his sermon shouldn't he have read the passage in Scripture where Jesus says, "(Evil) things must happen but WOE to those through whom they happen!" ?
---Angelike on 6/5/10

Imagine that it is due to Jewish rebellion God used Hitler to punnish them. then i have two questions,
1. what about the consequense of sin. is that Gods plan? or is it His plan to save all from their own sin.
2. if god punnished the jews for theyre rebellion and pride, why did'nt He punnish the Christians? telling you the truth, Christianity has not been less productive in rebellion then Judaism.

or maybe the devil wanted to destroy the Jewish people as to prevent the last prophecies concerning them to fail, and so escaping his final judgement. (since in this way God would have become a liar). I know, it sounds stupid to us Christians, however the devil does not really think straight since his head was crushed under Christ's feet.
---Andy on 3/3/09

There is something twisted and frightening going on inside a person who even considers asking such a question. Lord have mercy!
---JohnnyB on 2/26/09

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Who can really say? His ways are much higher than ours. He is in control and He did allow this to happen to the Jews for some reason. He could have delivered them. He allowed them to wander for 40 years in the wilderness and they were His people then too. They are a rebellious group so the holocaust could have been a curse or correction for them. He does correct His children bc he loves them. Remember that he sees death and torture differently than we do. There are Christian martyrs today and many are tortured in His name. Jesus was tortured. One thing for sure, the atrocity made a permanent impression on all of mankind even until today:). Another thing is sure and that is there is a high price to pay for those who hurt His own.
---jody on 2/26/09

IT WAS A QUESTION POSED by the Pastor, what was the ontinuing of His preaching?
---Andy on 2/26/09

Hows this for names of blasphemy, I am the root and offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Rev. 22, 16. I am black but comely, Songs of Solomon 1,5. Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm, love is strong as death, and jealousy is as cruel as the grave. Songs of Solomon 8,6. 1Corithians 15, who is man enough to say death is swallowed up in victory.
---joe on 1/12/09

Dont forget Rev. 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan

The zionists in Israel are fake jews, they are the synagogue of satan.
---David on 1/11/09

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Just because Hitler may have had "Catholic" on his birth certificate doesn't mean he believed as Catholics do. (Murdering millions of people is not one of the virtues I was ever taught in Sunday school.) Many Catholics worked against Hitler - some overtly, others covertly. And just because one so-called Catholic does something, that doesn't mean the Church did it.

You might just as well say that Hitler was a painter, making all painters Jew-haters. Or that John Wilkes Booth (an actor) killing Abraham Lincoln makes all actors murderers. You can see that such conclusions are not logical.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/08

I think that the Zionist party sacrificed the Jews for the 'greater good' of establishing Israel. However, there is another agenda above theirs. The Zionists Jesuits and Freemasons worked together but they are not really friends. They have different agendas. That explains why they work together only some of the time. The Bush family financially backed Hitler, with partners Harriman and Thyssen. The connections are all over the map. Money was made by weapons makers for weapons that would kill their own people - this especially happened in the Jewish side - I have not studied this recently but look into the gas used used to exterminate Jews and others in the camps.
---frances008 on 12/4/08

What we do to the Jews and Israel, God will do to us (individually and as a nation). The Bible says that God will bless those that bless them, and curse those that curse them. We will all be held accountable on the Day of Judgement (individually and as a nation) for how we treated the Jews and Israel. This is because the Jews and Israel are God's chosen.
---Leslie on 12/4/08

the catholic church, hitler was a catholic, killed 6 mil Jews. The minister is a fool. the jews were persecuted long before the birth of Jesus. And what did 1 million jewish kids do wrong? hate jews = hate Gd. Gd loves the jews He said so
---peter on 12/4/08

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Only God knows the exact answer to your question. I believe it had more to do with the wicked one and his followers, who have always hated the Jews, since they became a nation, because they were so noticably different than everyone else, at least initially. The fact that the Jewish people are still around "should" show how significant they are in God's eyes.
---tommy3007 on 5/20/07

Over the history of the Jewish race, per the Old Testament and in The Revelation, they have been God's Chosen People; God specifically said they were His. Throughout their history they have been in and out of bondage due to their disobedience to God. How can the Nazis be any different than the ancient Persians, Babylonians, et al? Punishment for not accepting Christ? I seriously doubt it. Was it a continuation of the relationship between God and his Chosen Poeple? I think so.
---BillC on 1/15/06

now comes ww2 and the holocast, 6 millon jews die! the Jewish people came out of ww2 screaming NEVER AGAIN WILL WE SUBJECT TO OTHER NATIONS WE WILL HAVE OUR OWN COUNTRY.. GOD used the horrors of ww1 to prepare the land for the people and the horrors of ww2 to prepare the people for the land.. all things work toghther to the GLORY of GOD..end of lesson
---willow on 1/7/06

lets take a history lesson:part1
before isreal we ressurected in the 20th century, the land of palastine was controled persia. they sided with germany in ww1,they lost ww1. palastine was given to england.they in turn said lets give the land back to the jews and thus the land was ready for the children of isreal.the problem was the children were happy and wonderfully scattered all over the world.
---willow on 1/7/06

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Did you ever consider the holocaust as a punishment to the Jewish people for not accepting Christ?

Answer; that is the most stupid thing i have ever heard, that minister needs to be flogged.
---len_k on 12/10/05

I belive the holocaust idea was planted by a seed of thought by Satan & Hitler instead of dismissing the idea brought it forth to life. The survivours & the dead are remembered by God & he hurts as well eeing them dead ,& also I believe he let others live so we can know about it's history today for some reason.
---candice on 12/8/05

Re: Yes, i believe it was God's judgment, but not because of rejecting Christ, but for living in sin and thereby giving God a bad name (reputation) among the nations.
---Eloy on 11/14/05
Had the babies and children lived in sin? And how about the 20-million killed by Stalin, 30-mil by Mao and who knows how many by Saddam (including being fed thru a tree shredder). All mean, evil sinners?
cbi (can't believe it)
---james on 12/2/05

Steve ... You slander the vast majority of Europeans. The Nazis who perpetrated this evil upon the Jews came from one country and some sympathisers in others.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/20/05

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, Romans tells us that God gave unbelievers over to a depraved mind. europeans abandoned Jesus, so they ended up doing terrible things to the Jews in ww2
---steve on 11/16/05

Eloy ... your two posts appear to contradict each other. In one you seem to say the Holocaust was God's punishment on the Jews, in the other you blame Satan and his tool Hitler.
Can you clarify?
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/14/05

We all would do well to seriously learn from this horrible past, else this history could very well be repeated again to any race. i truly believe that Adolph Hitler was completely possessed of Satan do destroy like he did, truly a monster among men. And i also know that it really breaks God's heart to witness such horrors, as it still does break my own heart as i view these photos and read the records.
---Eloy on 11/14/05

i thought about why a mass slaughter of the Jews, and then i thought how they as a nation frequently break their covenant with God, as in the 40 year wilderness, and God was going to destroy them all at that time too if it wouldn't have been for Moses' intercession. Yes, i believe it was God's judgment, but not because of rejecting Christ, but for living in sin and thereby giving God a bad name (reputation) among the nations.
---Eloy on 11/14/05

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Nellah, you have done the right thing. I would do the same if I were in your shoes. Search more. Christ commended us to love one another and not to be prejudiced or biased against a race or a nation!
---Linda6546 on 11/14/05

mima: YOU've made untrue 'generalizations!' First, whatever the Jews of Jesus' time said/did, doesn't apply now! They had their punishment/chastisement for rejecting the Messiah when the Romans sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple in 70AD.

I also know for a fact there are Israelis (and Jews) who believe in Jesus; obviously not enough to change Israel's political structure, nevertheless you should be careful with such comments. The USA is neither all Christian nor all atheistic or whatever.
---Daniel on 11/13/05

Discussions of this kind is what led me to leave this church. I miss the people, the church, however, it began to feel like the Holy Spirit had packed His bag and left.
---Nellah on 11/13/05

This has always been the RCC position, that God has been punishing the Jews for centuries for rejecting Jesus.
---mike6553 on 11/10/05

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Might the answer to this question be to undrstand that the Jews cried out about Jesus,"let His blood be on us and our childern"! Oh my it has been!! Only born again believers have a understanding of who
the Jews are, their importance to the world and to GOD. The state of Isreal itself (the Jews ) do not understand who they are or who GOD is to them.---mima 11/10/2005
---mima on 11/10/05

God does not punish. He chastises, but its only to bring us back to Him. He is a loving God. If anything, the holocaust was perpectuated by satan who possessed Hitler and others.
---joe on 11/10/05

That's just the same kind of Anti-semetism which has existed ever since the nation of Israel was selected by God to be 'His people!' God always foretold any chastisements He decided to 'correct' them with, and I see no specific prophecy regarding WWII Holocaust in Scripture. You do see Jesus prophesying about the destruction of the Temple though! The Nazis lost WWII not only by being violent agressors, but BECAUSE they acted like Haman; trying to eliminate the Jews!
---Daniel on 11/10/05

If God punishes generations 2000 years after the generation that 'offended' Him then I think we had all better watch out, including the pastor who told you that. Was he actually saying that it WAS a punishment or was he, perhaps, trying to create a talking point through which he might then have explained that it WASN'T. Can you tell us how this subject progressed with the members?
---M.A. on 11/10/05

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Question him on this, its a rediculous remark.
Jews were not the only ones killed during the Holocaust. How does he account for them?
He is planting hate of Jews in people's hearts.
---NVBarbara on 11/9/05

This is a very "mean" suggestion from a christian church pastor! Statements like this could create a feeling of indifference towards the plight of the victims (the Jews) and create an "atmosphere of justifying" the Nazi as just instruments used by God to punish a nation that refused to accept His Son. We should not be laid away from the real issue:THE HOLOCAUST IS A SIN COMMITTED AGAINST HUMANITY. IT IS NOT A PUNISHMENT FROM GOD!
---Linda6546 on 11/9/05

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.
---Madison on 11/9/05

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