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Pork Eaters Go To Hell

I understand the SDA forbids eating certain foods like pork because of what happened in the country of the Gerasenes(Mark 5)etc. With reference to 1 Timothy 4:1-5,Romans 14:2-3,14,20, 1 corinthians 8:8. What do you think?

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The whole of Scripture applies to all of us. Yeshua did NOT abolish the Old Covenant laws. The only thing He did was to abolish the need for the animal sacrifice, because of His own. Yeshua taught us to obey the 10 commandments, which are Old Covenant. So, if He abolished the Old Covenant laws, and we have to obey the 10 commandments (O.C,), then which ones are we free to ignore, and which ones do we have to follow?
---shadow_warrior on 4/1/08

Eating pork or not is more to do with what is healthy for the body, than what benefits the soul. There is some justification in my mind for saying that we should restrict the amount of pork we eat.

I was told by a Pentecostal pastor that I should never eat blood, and I had enjoyed Black Pudding before then. I do not see what it has to do with salvation.
---frances008 on 4/1/08

It is NOT a sin to eat pork. The reason the SDA and Jews forbit it is the reference to it. When Jesus cast the demons into the bay of pigs, it was said that when you eat pig (pork) that you are injesting the Anti-Christ spirit into you. ....Anti-Christ spirit into you.
---Leslie on 1/4/07

SILLINESS -- it is not what goes into a man that defiles him

evey child that ever ate a hotdog would be demon possessed by these standards

CULTS!!!!! why do people believe this nonsense????
---Andrea on 4/1/08

I guess you have never been on a farm. If you had seen all the poop the cows walk around in, you would never drink another glass of milk, or eat another steak.
---matth9533 on 4/1/08

It is NOT a sin to eat pork. The reason the SDA and Jews forbit it is the reference to it. When Jesus cast the demons into the bay of pigs, it was said that when you eat pig (pork) that you are injesting the Anti-Christ spirit into you. Even Satanists have rituals where you eat certain parts of a pig raw, and it is to bring the Anti-Christ spirit into you.
---Leslie on 1/4/07

not all are heretics in my eyes as I know a lot of christians that are keeping the Torah out of their love and obedience to G-d, but a majority of christians believe it to be sinful, evil and of the evil one. G-d doesn't give evil to his children, if Torah is sin then is it in sin that messiah is told about(psm40:7& heb10:7). Just shows that the work of the lawless one is alive and well in the christian church.(dan.9:27,det.13:1-5, 2pet.3:16,).Read also Is. 5:20 and compare to psm19:7&8.
---Jeff on 9/3/06

Isaiah66:17-18. This is a future event. G-d already knew that the cruxificion was going to take place so why are eaters of swine flesh consummed by G-d's wrath? Because G-d doesn't change. If we are free from the rules of clean and unclean then explain 2Cor6:17-18. Kinda contradicts colossians 2:21 doesn't it?
---Jeff on 9/3/06

Sunga, you are absolutely wrong..the SDAs didnt say that...God commanded us not to eat pork..Dont accuse the SDAs wrongly...they are merely following the truth of God...which truth are you following? you and Lee and John t. I am truly saddened with the tripe and lies thrown at SDAs .. we are God's children too...Lord have mercy
---jana on 8/30/06

Lee, you said that Adventist teaching is basically old testament with Jesus thrown in. That's exactly they way Jesus taught.

And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself. Luke 24:27
---Geoff on 8/2/06

John_T, I love this kind of bondage: greater longivity, better quality of life, vacation from work & worries once a wk, being able to do world-wide health & healing & evangelism, the assurance that my sins are forgiven and that God loves, forgave & empowers me. Lock me up and throw away the keys! The benefits are out of this world! Now, what do you have to offer?
---Geoff on 8/1/06

Frank : "What would that possibly have to do with going to heaven!!?!"

You need to look at some of the cultish people who condemn us for eating pork chops on the barbie.

They (SDAs) desire to hog tie others, and place them into the same bondage they go into.

To ignore the consequences or their false teachings is NOT love, it is abetting the crime. Therefore because I love then, i scream loudly GET OUT FROM THE CULT, and demonstrate the false presuppotions of belief
---John_T on 7/30/06

John T -

Thank you! Thats my whole point, don't you see. One can quote parts of the bible to further almost any position if they care to. It is not individual sentences that make up the truth, its the whole. It very dangerous to quote ANY line of the bible.

Of course you can eat's crazy anyone would even have to ask that! What would that possibly have to do with going to heaven!!?!

PLEASE...teach love
---frank_cos on 7/29/06

Those who live under the law die by what they eat because eating of the tree of the Knowledge of good and evil brings the curse but eating of the tree of Life Christ Jesus nothing by any means can harm you for he is for the healing of the nations, you cannot eat of the law and of the tree of life a double minded man can recieve nothing from God.
---Exzucuh on 7/29/06

When you quote a Scripture, it is ALWAYS a good idea to see the whole thing in proper context.

In Proverbs you quote, you ignore the ADJECTIVE (gluttonous) in front of the VERB FORM (eaters of meat).

Therefore the emphasis is on gluttony, not meat eating.

You are frequently missing the ball, here.
---John_T on 7/29/06

Lee, I'm not talking about 3rd world countries. I'm talking about the pork eaters on this blog. Do you enjoy horse and monkey meat?
---tc on 7/28/06

and also:
The Books of Proverbs, 23: 20: Be not among winebibbers, or among gluttonous eaters of meat;

of course, lots of places it says go ahead and eat meat.

the bible (full of such literal inconsistencies) is meant to be read in its entirety (and not to be picked over to advance one's own agenda). each of us must then interpret its meaning ourselves

teach love
---frank_cos on 7/27/06

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Le 3:17 It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.
follow it to the letter...don't eat meat.
Leviticus 20:9 also says "Anyone who curses his father or mother shall be put to death; since he has cursed his father or mother, he has forfeited his life."

Be wary of literal translations of the bible my friend

teach love
---frank_cos on 7/27/06

Why do the SDAs here try to place the rest of us who enjoy pork chops grilled or with salsa verde IN BONDAGE?

They want us to return to the OT attempts of justification by works (no pork, etc) having us be vegan.

They follow a woman who made medical quackery statements about food, and other things, had no theological training, and created non-supportable doctrines from Scripture patchwork quilts.

Makes no sense
---John_T on 7/27/06

frank_cos "The bible also teaches us to eat no meat."

---John_T on 7/27/06

1 Timothy 4:4-5 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

Often wonder what changes would occur if the Adventist took the time to research the subject of what food to eat. Of course, their is basically an Old Covenant religion with Jesus thrown in.
---lee on 7/27/06

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Timothy 4:4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,

Definitely not a favorite verse for the self rightous that like to make dietary rules and then use them to judge others.
---lee on 7/27/06

The bible also teaches us to eat no meat. How many among you are vegetarians? I am not. Are you a literal follower, or not? Do you make jokes about vegetarians, about leftist, about hippies. Do you speak about them in loving terms? Jesus taught love.

teach love
---frank_cos on 7/26/06 the way there is not a tithe any longer. And when there was a tithe there was a provision in the law for those that had to travel great distances. They were to sell their tithe and when they came to the designated gathering spot they were to spend the money they received from the sale of their tithe on anything their heart desired.
---Ryan on 7/26/06

Read Acts 10. Go ahead eat dog, cat, weasel, ferret, it doesn't matter. Do not judge a man by what day he keeps holy or by what he eats. Get out of the do's and don'ts my brothers and sisters and focus on how to BE!!
---Ryan on 7/26/06

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Amidst the confussing answers, try this: Jesus says what defile us doesn't come from without but from within. Furthermore, pigs in Australia are reared in farms and fed with processed food filled with nutrients. I guess that is "clean" enough for consumption.
---yeoleumas on 7/26/06

I bet God looks at the condition of our hearts rather than eating a BLT(bacon,lettuce,tomato)sandwich for lunch. We're not under the Law and everything is to be done in moderation. Pork everyday would not be healthy for the body.
---Rachel on 7/26/06

tc - "Do the pork eaters also enjoy dog, cat, horse, racoon, squirrel, rabbit?"

In the 3rd world countries when food is not readily available, any type of animal will be eaten.

Horse meat is frequently eaten in northern European countries, particularly in light of the mad cow disease problem.

Squirrel, rabbit are good and tasty meats and the latter is often raised for meat.

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
---lee on 7/26/06

2Corinthians 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of old testament; which veil is done away in Christ. Hebrews 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. Peter was told what God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. Peter also learned that God is not a respecter of persons. Acts 10:1-34 God does deal differently with people at different times. We are under the dispensation of grace. Ephesians 3:2-8
---Creamcup on 7/26/06

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2Corinthians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. 4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit giveth life.
---Creamcup on 7/26/06

The food laws given by God through Moses and Aaron, were part of the laws given to the children of Israel. Leviticus 11:1-23. This was part of the Old Testament law. When Jesus came the New Testament was established. Matthew 26:28 Mark 14:24 Luke 22:21 continued
---Creamcup on 7/26/06

My dear Shirley, you are quoting Matthew 15:11, 17. Just before Jesus said that, He said somethings that offended the Pharasees. He criticized their ceremonial washings. The explanation of your quote is in v16-20. The issue is ceremonial washings, not clean and unclean foods.

Jesus said "eat such things as are set before you" in Lk 10:8. Remember the gospel had not yet gone to the gentiles. These were Jewish homes they were carrying the gospel to, which would not be serving unclean meats.
---Geoff on 7/26/06

Shirley, your last quote on doing as the Greeks & Romans is not in the Bible

Remember you are not your own; glorify God in your body which is God's-1 Cor 6:19-20

Can we do what we want with Gods money, the tithe? Can we do what we want with Gods property? Ask Ananias & Sapphira-Acts 5. Should we eat anything? The obvious answers are NO!

I have to agree with Gerardo, the Bible is consistent; now how about you?
---Geoff on 7/26/06

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Do the pork eaters also enjoy dog, cat, horse, racoon, squirrel, rabbit? Just curious, since so many pork eaters think pork is now clean, but it is gross to eat the other "now clean".
---tc on 7/26/06

Why such confusion. Jesus has set aside a former comandment (Law) because of its weakness and uselessness and ushered in a new covenant (Grace). People you can not begin to mature in the Spirit until you turn away from law. The law perfected no one. Focus on BECOMING Salt & Light and producing fruit.
---Ryan on 7/26/06

To some of the previous posters: avoid extremism. If you catch yourself feeling as if you are in an elite group in a world of fools, you are almost assuredly drifting towards it. Remember there are many different extremes in this world, and its pretty difficult to contrive Jesus as a close minded person.

Pork is a perfectly healthy food, but centuries ago it could kill you. In my view giving up or reducing alchohol intake would probably help more people's spirituality than abstaining from pork.
---Michael on 7/26/06

Gerardo - Mat5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

And would you not say that it is a good thing that the law regarding foods have been accomplished in that the purpose for them was to separate the Israelis from the other nations?
---lee on 7/26/06

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John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Gerardo, it is good that you try hard to please God; nothing wrong with that. But do you not realize that there are over 600 laws in the Old Testament alone that you must heed to if you wish to keep the laws. Or do you consider some of them to be obsolete? If so, then which ones?
---lee on 7/26/06

winna - Romans 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

How do you reconcile what Paul has to say regarding the matter of clean / unclean foods?

Could it just possibly be that many of the laws of the Old Covenant that pertained to the Jewish religious life became obsolete with the death of Christ on the Cross?
---lee on 7/26/06

To me, there is only one Jesus. He has never changed, He is and always will be perfect. He helped create all, He helped set the Laws, He came to show that if we want it, we can become perfect like Him through Him. Most choose to be ignorant and choose not to be like Him.

Mat5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
---gerardo on 7/26/06


So did God's plan not work and He had to change it? If so, wasn't His plan perfect to begin with?

many Christians say; I believe in Jesus, I believe he died for my sins, I believe he rose from death oh and the Old testament was done away with.

Was there two different Jesus' one with rules and regulations and one without.

This is the issue today, people say they believe in Jesus. The question is which Jesus do they believe in?

---gerardo on 7/26/06

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clean, unclean, Sabbath keeping, laws etc, etc.

From the beginning God set up a plan for the salvation of humans.

satan said it would not work.

Many Christians agree with satan in that they believe somehow there were two ways to be saved. It has since the beginning always been the same, GRACE.
Many Christians start a sentence like this; We are NOW saved by Grace, not by works. I ask them, How was anyone saved by works and I don't get a response.

---gerardo on 7/26/06


What if a plane someone was flying crashed into some remote part of New Guinea where rare tribes still practice cannibalism. Do you just do it.

2nd If you believe God is just and fair, explain something.

Why does God allow pigs to be 'clean' for Christians but the Jews were told by God that the pigs were unclean to them?
What is the difference between the Jew and the Christian?
---gerardo on 7/26/06

Winna, you need to read Scripture as a whole and not live by the law of Moses. We are in a new covenant. A covenant of Grace. Maybe you agree with Geoff because you too must be SDA. Pork is great, I love "chilli verdi." Call me a mexican if you want. There is nothing unclean about the pork I eat. Not the way I make it.
---Lupe2618 on 7/26/06

Your so true, geoff, I agree with you,There is no where in bible saying to start eating unclean meat. Pauls vision did not change what God said. When god say,s something it stand forever,because he is our god, and we must obey.
---winna on 7/26/06

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Jesus said, "It is not what goes into your stomach that makes you unclean but what comes out of your mouth".
The bible says, eat whatever is set before with a prayer. If you are with the Romans, do what the Romans do, if Greek, do what Greeks do, so I believe, if you believe you are a new creature in Christ, then, the Truth has set you free...whether you eat pork or not. Physical things...benefits the physical only.
---Shirley on 7/26/06

Gerardo, all the best to you. You have put it succinctly, can't be any plainer than that, yet I can almost guarantee you that someone is going to get stuck on verses 13-16 and never make it to interpretation in v28. Some even accept the interpretation, but insist there is a dual meaning even though there is no record of Peter eating, plus he doubted-v17. Doesn't the Bible say that one is damned if he eats & doubts-Ro 14:23? It is clear, Peter didn't eat, but came to clearly understand the vision.
---Geoff on 7/25/06

And the most famous in John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
We have 3 'It is Finished'.

If everything was finished at the cross, why 2 more.

God said in Deut 14:8 The pig is also unclean; although it has a split hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.

What did the cross change for the pig?
Are Gentiles created better that Jews???
---gerardo on 7/25/06

It seems that many Christians believe everything was complete and finished at the cross.

In Rev 21:16 And He also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give the springs of the water of life without charge!
in Rev 16:17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air. And a mighty shout came from the throne of the Temple in heaven, saying, "It is finished!"

---gerardo on 7/25/06

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If you read further on in the vision to Peter you will notice the interpretation. Acts 10:28 Then he said to them, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to one of another nation. But God has SHOWN ME that I should not call ANY MAN common or unclean.

This had nothing to do with food. Peter did not eat off the sheet in the vision.
---gerardo on 7/25/06

Dear Helen, if a "born-again Christian has received Jesus Christ as Lord & Saviour & had all their sins forgiven," wouldn't they want to obey Him? Jesus gave the OT dietary laws to the Jews. Why? Were they arbitrary or specific?

Most people understand the animals went on Noah's Ark by 2s, but do you know some went on by 7s? Gen 7:2. Why? There weren't any Jews then.

Please tell me where the Bible says Jesus changed the clean & unclean animals when He died on the cross.
---Geoff on 7/25/06

And finally, what do you mean "In Christ I am free"? Does that mean you can sleep around? What do you mean by "free"? Can you do what you want?

What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. 1 Cor 6:19-20
---Geoff on 7/25/06

Geoff - A born-again Christian is one who has received Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and had all their sins forgiven. The dietary laws in the Old Testament were part of the Law which Jesus did away with on the Cross. In Christ I am free.
---Helen_5378 on 7/24/06

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From what I remember, although the OT has many rules about eating meat (on what meat not to eat) the only that is carried over to the New Testament is the one about not eating meat that ' was offered in sacrifice' (1 Cor 10:28) - and that for the conscience of the others. I THINK there is also something about eating meat with the blood in it - but very limited. After the Lord showed Peter the sheet with animals in it, it is greatly reduced, if not removed....
---peter5448 on 7/24/06

Apparently Adventists believe that they are the New Israel - that everything that pertained to Israel now pertains to them. In that belief they feel that all the dietary laws that were designed to distinguish the Jews from other nations, now pertains to them. But they have problem with what we read in the New Testament esp. when Jesus said that sin comes from the heart not by what one eats or drinks.
---lee on 7/24/06

HI everyone. I just want to comment on the whole idea of eating pork being a sin. Read Hebrews Ch 7-12... HEB 8:13 (by calling this covenant 'new' HE has made the first one obsolete.) Those who choose to live under the LAW(first covenant) Are basically saying that Jesus died for NOTHING. You can NOT earn salvation by WORKS. only by GRACE.
---Debbra on 7/24/06

I remember a movement where meat prepared by Some religious groups were boycoted, at the time I blessed the meat and ate it why because I know there is only one God.
---Carla5754 on 7/24/06

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If all truth be known there would be no peace. If I know someone dislike a particular meat, I will dislike it to in their company and obstain from eating it. The same if someone does not wear trousers I will obstain from offending my sis/bro by wearing what offends them why because I love and respect all people are different and wish not to cause someone to stummble simple.
---Carla5754 on 7/24/06

Helen, what do you mean by born again, please? Explain. I thought someone who is born again, submits to the will of God and no longer does as he or she pleases, but seeks to please God. God calls those things an abomination-Lev 11; Acts 10:14, 11:8. How do you dismiss Isaiah 66:17? Does the Bible contradict itself?
---Geoff on 7/24/06

jesus says it is not what enters the mouth that defiles a person but what comes out of the mouth and heart that defiles a person unchasity,adultery,thefth,blasphemy that defile a person and also remeber eating to much of something that taste good is a gluttony and sinful eat to live not live to eat
---fredluna on 7/24/06

Geoff:"SDAs just agree with God"

NO WAY! SDAs MAKE UP things about God, then try to IMPOSE it upon the rest of Christianity

Whom the son has set free is free indeed, and that includes my grilled pork chops.

(My yummies)
---John_T on 7/24/06

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Jana. Your Bible also says not to shave your beard and that you are unclean for a week when you have your period. You can't even touch anyone during that time. Don't you think that Christ fulfilled any of that stuff? Do you still sacrifice animals too? I suspect you are under the law which Christ has redeemed you from.
---john on 7/24/06

If I was designed for a vegetarian diet, why do I have meat eater's teeth? Incisors, bicuspids etc?
---Bruce5656 on 7/24/06

What do the 10 commandments have to do with the passage you quoted re: eating pork?
---Bruce5656 on 7/24/06

Matthew1 5:17-20
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But these things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man:
---Mathias on 7/24/06

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My father hasn't eaten pork his entire life, and yet he freely committed adultery on my mother, freely beat his kids for many years until they had welts on their bodies, so which is the worse sin? Eating Pork which to me is NOT a sin, we live under grace, not the law. Some folks don't eat Pork because of Leviticus, but they freely commit adultery. Cracks me up!
---Donna9759 on 7/24/06

I am born-again by the Blood of Jesus and I am free to eat whatever I want. Pork is just delicious. I love Pork Chops with Ham, Cheese and Pineapple on top and baked in the oven ---- Yum yums for my tum tums.
---Helen_5378 on 7/24/06

It is God who asks us not to consume what is unfit and not intended for human consumption, and way before the Gadarenes-Gen 7:2, Lev 11:7, Isa 66:17. SDAs just agree with God.
---Geoff on 7/24/06

bruce, my KJV tells me that God gave us 10 laws to keep .. these 10 laws are 10 pillars upon which rested the entire Law of Moses. check the following texts: All N/T Luke 21:33, John 14:15,21..John 15:14, Acts 5:29, 13:39, 1 Cor 7:19, Heb 8:10..10:16, 1John 3:22 to 24, 2John 5:3, Rev 14:12, 22:14 Eccl 12:13 whole duty of man to keep commandments of God..Prov 7:2 laws as apple of thine eye
---jana on 6/18/06

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lee...I think you will need to go back in the bible and study on the original diet God gave our was a vegetarian diet before the flood..the bible also tells what clean or unclean meat there is..meat was introduced after the flood as there was no vegetation left. Read in Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy....
---jana on 6/18/06

Cloves to kill "worms" in pork? All these years I thought it because they were decorative and taste good. Cloves kill nothing. The only way to prevent trichinosis is to thoroughly cook the meat.
BTW, behind chicken, pork is one of the most commonly consumed meats in the world (esp. in poor countries) and Wild pigs do not wallow in feces--a little mud bath maybe to keep the flies from biting. They are not inherently "dirty"
---Donna2277 on 6/17/06

If you are going to appeal to the OT law for this where do you draw the line? Do you keep all the other OT laws as well?
---Bruce5656 on 6/17/06

my bible says, God commanded us not to eat swines meat for it is unclean meat to us..Read Leviticus 11:7,8..The SDA's didnt give this command...God forbids us all ...look at the deseases it has nowadays..trichanae worms etc...
---jana on 6/17/06

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bornagain, you say that anything that is eaten that is prayed over first is ok to eat??? what if you ate a cow that you just tortured? How about eating a previously deceased human, where there were no other food sources. Albert Schwitzer (i think)said that a country can be judged based on how they treat the least of God's creatures.
---James on 1/29/06

Lynn, many truths and untruths are pass amongest different groups. What is your source?
---NurseRobert on 1/15/06

This is a well known fact amongst us herbalists..
---Lynn on 1/15/06

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