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UPC And Christian Equally Yoked

If I am a oneness and my boy friend is a trinitarian, does that make us unequally yoked if we get married? If we get married, whos church to we go to and where do the kids go?

Moderator - Yes, if you are refering to UPC because many would consider that denomination a cult.

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2nd.Cor.6 v 14.
What communion has Light ( The Church of The Living God ) with darkness ( the man - made trin - relig - org's churches ) NONE.
What fellowship has the Righteous ( The Church of The Living God ) with the unrighteous ( the Man-made trin - relig - org'd churches ) NONE.
Don't fall for this he'l come to Church with you & then aft maybe you's got married then maybe he starts in with Church prob's. Please Sis, don't make a big mistake.
---Lawrence on 6/23/10

If you get married you will have to go to your husband's church.
The man is the head of the wife and priest of the house/ home
---francis on 6/22/10

The Father - Son & Holy Ghost is here Colo.2 v 9 & that Is Jesus Christ. Acts 2 v's 37 - 41.
You mentioned outside activities. When your involved with such activities such as social - alcoh drinks, missing Church for sports, smoking, club dancing, social - club membership, showing to much flesh(nakedness on the beech & other), & other etc. People that do such Is In Error, because it says here 1stJohn 2 v's 15 - 16. That Is what the Man-made relig-org's churches beginning with the rcc (the False 3 god-head people) are trying to do, 1 foot in for God & the other foot in for the devil & his devilish world pleasures. You canNot serve 2 masters. Choose you today whom you will serve, The Almighty God or the devil.
---Lawrence on 6/21/10

Like Donna I also agree with Jody's assessment.
---mima on 4/16/10

Jody, thanks for confirming what I thought.
I have known no one else, besides myself, who experienced proselytizing by UPC.
---Donna66 on 4/16/10

Donna 4/8: BINGO!! You don't find many UPC people evangelizing those who do not know Jesus but rather they like to preach to Born-Again believers that they are not saved because they "believe in 3 Gods". They are stumbling blocks. They do isolate themselves from activities outside the church and need Pastoral approval to involve themselves in special activities. They have many rules of dress, hair and more. They think they are the only true church and if you do not speak in tongues, you are not saved. Apostolic Church also believes in a similar manner. They avoid scripture pointing out the Father,Son,Holy Ghost relationship(trinity).
---jody on 4/13/10


I don't think you can use "same essence" from "father and son" to deduce "Since father is God, son is also God". Otherwise, by the same reasoning, Is 53:10 would imply that all of Jesus's followers were God as well. (I'm sure the Mormons would love this).
---StrongAxe on 4/8/10

UPC - United Pentecostal Church,ASLJC - Assemblies The Lord Jesus Christ & others. NO,the UPC is Not the only 1. Apostolic Is the teachings of the Apostles which Are in the book of Acts which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20,to the Jewish people First on the day of Pentecost through Jude. They were first called Christians at Antioch.
The trin-teachings Are Man-made that are here,Matt.15 v 9, 2nd.Cor,11 v's 14 - 15, starting with the rcc the first trin-church then her offspring churches the luth,presby, naz,bapt,method etc came later. Man-made christians spelled with a little c. The devil being like the pied-piper playing these the soothe saying tunes of salvation plans once saved always saved,sinners prayer etc that has them in a lullaby.
---Lawrence on 4/8/10

You have to be one with God & the bible. Having different denominational backgrounds doesn't count. Both of you should be believers & baptized. However being in different churches is not an easy thing, & a choice needs to be made,but again if both of you believe in God & in his son Jesus Christ & living for his kingdom you are equally yolked.
---candice on 4/8/10

Thanks for a view from inside the UPC.

I guess the reason I see members of this church as being so adamant is because the ones I know are usually trying to convert me!
They insist I be re-baptized in "Jesus Name" because I was baptized in the name of the Father,the Son, and The Holy Ghost. (I don't see any reason to be re-baptized).

They DO preach that UPC is the only true church, don't they? I've been told that by several of them.
---Donna on 4/8/10

\\Yes, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are mentioned frequently in scripture. But their precise relationship isn't.\\

The very words "Father and Son" used in Scripture describe their relationship as well as human language can.

It shows, among other things, that they are of the same essence or nature.

All oneness (aka Sabellian Modalism) is a cult.

Did you know this is what Jim Jones started as?
---Cluny on 4/8/10

Mam Sis, you have No business in doing such. I myself being in The Church of The Living God
dated & married a Lady in the Man-made trin-relig-org church & things went really wrong.
I was almost here, 2nd.Peter 2 v 21, & then I realized to keep going to Apostolic Church. A few yr's later she'd been unfaithful to me & then the sep & div came. Mam Sis, In Jesus name, Don't Do it.
---Lawrence on 4/8/10


Remember, not all members of a church "follow the party line" 100% when it comes to doctrine. I myself attended a UPC church for a while, but never such an adamant opinion of the composition of the godhead.


Yes, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are mentioned frequently in scripture. But their precise relationship isn't. "The Father and I are one" suggests unity, "No one has seen the Father" (while they HAD seen Jesus) suggests that the two are NOT identical.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/10

Those verse that don't make specific reference to one member of the Godhead, such as those used appositely to one (or both) of the others, is the Trinity, Genesis 1:1, Psalm 90:2, etc. Here are some parallel verses showing the deity of the Father, the Son - Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit *1, and various verses that include all three *2. There were false teachers in the time of the Apostles as there are today, but Christ's Church has always been Trinitarian *3. If there had been a great number of Unitarians in the first two centuries, the Bishops would not have waited until 325 A.D. in order to address this doctrine.
Trinity: There are three persons, (Father, Son - Jesus Christ, and Holy Spirit) in one God.
---Glenn on 4/7/10

Strongaxe -- Generally I'd agree with you about much depending on how adamant spouses are about their respective beliefs.

A trinitarian may well be phlegmatic about doctrine and devotion. He may not even be sure what he believes (it would take somebody like this to be successfully married to a "oneness" believer.)

A member of UPC risks his very salvation if he drifts away from the church in any respect. That's because they believe that the UPC is the ONLY church, the only way of salvation.

I've never known a "oneness" believer that was anything BUT adamant. And they are usually quite outspoken in their belief that Trinitarianism is a major "heresy" if not demonic.
---Donna66 on 4/7/10

StrongAxe, interesting thoughts here.

I personally believe in light of the verses of in Matthew, that the scripture is talking about NATIONS who will enter the Mellinniel Kingdom reigh who come through the great tribulation.

Peter tells us that OUR Baptism is not the washing away of the sin of the flesh, but our identification with Christ in death and resurrection life.

This Baptism in Matthew, like John the Baptists is a washing of water (opposite of what Paul and Peter tell US).

I believe this will begin after the Rapture and resume what John the Baptist started.

Teaching Gentiles to OBSERVE all things is The Gospel of the kingdom..not the Gospel of Grace. !

---kathr4453 on 4/7/10

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*1 Father: Isaiah 44:24, 64:8, John 8:50, 2Corinthians 6:16, Philippians 1:2, 1Thessalonians 1:10 / Son: John 1:1, 3, 14, 2:19, 5:21, 30, 10:17, Colossians 1:15-17, 27, 2:9 / Holy Spirit: Job 26:13, 33:4, John 14:17, Acts 5:3-4, Romans 8:11.
*2 Isaiah 48:12-13, 16, Matthew 28:19, John 20:21-22, Acts 2:38-39, 10:44-48, 20:27-28(!), Romans 5:5-6, 8:1-4, 15:16, 30, 1Corinthians 2:2-5, 6:11, 12:4-6, 2Corinthians 13:14, Ephesians 1:3:14-21, 3:14-21, 4:4-6, 5:18-20, 1Thessalonians 1:2-6, 2Thessalonians 2:13-14, Hebrews 2:3-4, 10:29-31, 1Peter 1:2, 4:14, 1John 3:21-24, 4:13-16, Jude 1:20-21.
*3 Jeremiah 2:12, 13, Mathew 7:15, 15:14, Romans 12:16, 1Timothy 4:1-2, 6:3-4, 2Timothy 4:3, 4, 1John 2:18-19, 22, 4:1-3, 2John 1:7-11.
---Glenn on 4/7/10


If God considers this to be an important issue, can you show any verses that say so?

For example, Jesus commanded his follower to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. But the Apostles baptized in the name of Jesus. From this, pick one:
1) Jesus was wrong, and the Apostles were right
2) Jesus was right, and the Apostles were wrong
3) The two were in agreement, but the Bible documents were corrupted.
4) They are both right, and the specific details are of less importance than we think.

#1 means we worship a god who is confused. #2 and #3 mean that the church has been apostate since the begining. #4 is the only conclusion that does not lead to heresy and/or despair.
---StrongAxe on 4/7/10

They consider the UPC as the only true church, the "little flock" to which Jesus refers in Luk 12:32

Donna, you are right on. Any time a demonination considers itself the "one and only true" church it should set our cult radar.
Didn't Carlton Pearson drift from Azusa to Oneness to now the total denial of Hell?

The Watchtower cult with its fleshly bondage of disassociation from family and avoidance of fellowship with Christians is another example of enemy activity.
---larry on 4/6/10

The Trinity as One God - three persons, and the unity of Father, Son Jesus, Holy Spirit is an essential doctrine of the Christian faith. One can't know God and deny his nature at the same time.
Strongaxe, this isnt 'splitting hairs', but is more a matter of separating goats and sheep. God considers this to be an important issue. The Baptists have a saying that the Bible is understandable, but not everyone understands the Bible. Modalism is sometimes explained as a man can be a son, a brother, and a father at once. Or a man works for his customers, works with his co-owners, and supervises his employees. In other words, one man - three hats. 2Timothy 2:12-3:9, 4:3-4, Hebrews 4:12, 2Peter 3:16.
---Glenn on 4/6/10

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It depends on just how adamant the oneness person is about his belief in oneness, and just how adamant the trinitarian person is about his belief in trinity. Christianity (and also every branch of it) do have their own set of "core beliefs", but every individual has a different idea of just which of those beliefs are more important, and which are less important. (For example, the fact that 1/3 of American marriages end in divorce, and the statistic is the same among evangelicals who believe divorce is wrong, means that at least those 1/3 don't consider Jesus's teachings about divorce to be very important.)
---StrongAxe on 4/6/10

"Trinity" or "oneness" may be an academic question to some, but not to members of the UPC.

They strongly reject the idea of the trinity and insist that only baptism "in the name of Jesus" is valid (and only if performed by a UPC pastor).

They believe baptism is essential to salvation because it "washes away" sin.
As a new convert, one is expected to rise from the baptismal waters speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is also essential to salvation.
They consider the UPC as the only true church, the "little flock" to which Jesus refers in Luk 12:32

It would be extremely difficult to reach any compromise in a marriage with a trinitarian.
---Donna66 on 4/5/10

"Trinity" or "Oneness" is NOT an academic question to members of the UPC!
---Donna66 on 4/5/10

Which is grammatically correct to say? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is.... or The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are...?
---Rod4Him on 4/5/10

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Phl 2:6-7 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Where was God while Jesus was walking on this earth?
---MIchael on 4/5/10

The theological distinction between whether Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate persons or one person in three separate modes is a matter of hair splitting. The very fact that the Bible does not say much about this, and that both sides can cite scriptures to prove thier case, indicates that the Bible does not consider it to be a very important issue.

What IS important is how we act. Is there anything you do in your life that would be different, depending on whether God is three persons, or three modes? If there IS a difference, what exactly is it? And if there is NO difference, the question is merely academic and has no effect on our lives - its sole purpose is to split the Body of Christ into smaller less effective pieces.
---StrongAxe on 4/5/10

Here oneness means Modalism or Monarchism as verse Trinitarian. Only the later is a Christian doctrine. Modalists believe that God is one person in three modes. Monarchists believe that God is one person. Trinitarians believe that there is one God in three persons. The Nicene and Athanasian creeds were written to address this issue. The U.P.C. as a consequence of attempting to add works to grace, and mix law and gospel, is not a Christian denomination. Its members neither know God, nor accept Jesus atoning sacrifice only, and so - are unregenerate and unsaved. Please see Bruce5656 11/29/05.
Jeremiah 2:12-13, Mathew 7:15, 15:14, Romans 12:16, 1Timothy 4:1-2, 6:3-4, 2Timothy 4:3-4, 1John 2:18-19, 22, 4:1-3, 2John 1:7-11.

---Glenn on 4/4/10

As I see it, the problem is NOT that those belonging to UPC are not Christians. I'm sure they are. The problem is that they believe members of other Christian churches are NOT.
---Donna66 on 4/4/10

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This is actually to the Moderator- How does believing in the oneness make UPC a Cult?? I do not understand how that makes us a "cult". Anyone that is UPC and been baptisted in Jesus Name and received the gift of the Holy Ghost knows 100% that it is not in fact a cult. The the young lady that I'm sure has either married or not- yes it would be unevenly yoked because your basic beliefs are different. One of you would have to give up your beliefs to attend Church together. There would be conflict about it. SO whatever choice you made I hope that it was the right one.
---Heather on 4/3/10

My advice to you is to ACKNOWLEDGE THE LORD in all of your ways, for HE shall direct your path. Don't make a habit of turning to internet boards for advice on your life. The bible does not refer to marriage to someone else who has a different understanding of THE GODHEAD as being unequally yoked. It says DO NOT BE UNEQUALLY YOKED WITH UNBELIEVERS..for what fellowship has LIGHT with DARKNESS. You should study & pray together & be in Unity if you r 2 have a family. Seek God. Don't rush it.
---Ebomy on 7/24/08

as old as this blog is i say they either did it or they didnt it.
---kraus on 2/11/08

Al churches should be holiness churches and trinitarian churches. Without holiness no man shall see the Lord. We should all believe in the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.These are the basics of Christianity. So what is the problem here?
---Robyn on 2/11/08

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You may have problems in either church. True trinitarian belief is 3 pieces make up one God; Separate entities working as one. UPC believes Jesus is that One being, all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. It is a huge chasm in revelation. MODERATOR, what makes the UPC a cult vs other denominations?

Moderator - They don't believe in the Trinity.
---mike_fl on 2/10/08

MODERATOR, what makes the UPC a cult vs other denominations?

Moderator - They don't believe in the Trinity.
---Mars on 5/15/07

"How can I recognize a false teacher?"
Jesus warned false Christs and false prophets will come and will attempt to deceive even Gods elect (Matthew 24:23-27; 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). Any believer who is, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15), can identify false doctrine. A believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity.
Judge all teaching by the scripture.
---Mars on 5/15/07

Matthew 16:15, Jesus, Whom say ye that I am? Peter, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. In 2 John 9, Whosoever transgresseth, abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Beware anyone who denies that Jesus or the Holy Spirit is equal with God, who downplays Jesus substitutionary death, or who rejects Jesus humanity. First John 2:22 says, Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ.
---Mars on 5/15/07

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False teachers, Jude 11 says, They have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Korah. In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cains rejection of Gods plan), greed (Balaams prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korahs promotion of himself over Moses).
---Mars on 5/15/07

False teachers, 2 John 10-11 tells us, If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work. The Apostle John is referring to bringing a false teacher into your home, and set up shop, is wrong. To do so would be sharing in his wicked work. The focus is on giving such a person a base of operation from which to spread their false teaching. Be wary about even allowing a false teacher into our home.
---Mars on 5/15/07

Oneness isn't the same as UPC.There is difference in their beliefs.Oneness aren't a Cult either.To marry someone of different belief brings heartache unless you or they are willing to completely accept the others beliefs.That is something you must be sure of before marriage,are you willing to give up what you accept as truth?Decide which beliefs you will raise your children by,work it all out before marriage.

Moderator - What are the Oneness beliefs in regard to the Trinity?
---Darlene_1 on 4/14/07

Is this the church where clothing rules apply? Arms covered, women wear scarves, etc.
But the "In Jesus Name Only" doctrine prevails above anything else and some don't believe tithing is in the new testament?
---R.A. on 9/7/06

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Is the church "In Jesus Name Only"? If so, it is a cult. My siser and her husband went to one and had to be deprogrammed or delivered from the doctrine.
---R.A. on 9/7/06

One Lord [Jesus] one faith [Jesus]one baptisem [Jesus
---Betty on 9/7/06

No upc is not a cult and if you are thinking about marry
a boy that doesn't have the Holy Ghost then you best not marry him Because the Bible say's marry only in the Lord which mean another Holy Ghost filled person
---Betty on 3/16/06

If you both do not agree on the trinity, you will not be able to withstand what is coming upon the earth..The Holy Spirit is here now give us guidance..The Comforter..If you marry you will be unequally yolked
---Lynn on 12/14/05

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....or why don't some Christians adopt Muslim's "concept of God", or Buddist's "concept of God", or SATANIST'S "concept of God"?! It's not about OUR concepts, it's who His word says He is!

If the 2 of you have accepted the Lord Jesus as your saviour, according to scripture, then you need to sit down and examine the scriptures together and seek out the truth contained in them- NOT what the UPC OR trinitarian statement of beliefs say. And prayerfully plan your future
---Pastors_wife on 12/14/05

one comprehension holds that the Father, Son, and H.G. are 3 separate entities, and the other comprehension holds that all three are 1 entity. It is a minor difference in the understanding of God, but please know that God is not offended by either belief. But i agree with Darlene, both of you should be in agreement with your belief's. It would be best if either he adopt your concept of God, or else you adopt his concept of God, and attend the same church, and raise the children in the same church.
---Eloy on 11/30/05

I must take deference here with proof of a cult being "not believing in a trinity". Talk about us four, no more attitude. Please!! Show me anyone in the Old Testament who worshipped God in three persons. If you can't, all in the O.T. are cult members. There are so many holes in the 3 equal but separate beings it seems unfathomable to me. The R.C. church began the trinity. Look at history... pray that I overcome my blunt attitude.
---mike_fl on 11/29/05

I never heard of any of these churches. I'm in a nondenominational church that is a Full Gospel church and I know God is there.
---Johnny on 11/29/05

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Don't get married--mima 11/29/2005
---mima on 11/29/05

The distinctive doctrine of the UPC is that you MUST

a) repent
b) be baptized in water - according to their specific "formula" for their specific reasons (no trinity)
c) speak in tongues

OR YOU ARE NOT SAVED. Their "just us and nobody else" attitude is a hallmark of a cult.
---Bruce5656 on 11/29/05

Moderator,what I learned was God is the Father,Jesus the Son(God's Word made flesh),and the Holy Ghost comes to dwell in Christians as the empowerer,and according to NT verse 1John5:7 -three bear record in heaven,Father,Word, and Holy Ghost;and these three are one(all God).Revelations4:2 There is one throne in heaven and one sat on the throne.Mark12:29 Jesus answered-Hear oh Israel the Lord our God is one Lord.
---Darlene_1 on 11/29/05

is UPC the United Penticostal Church????

Moderator - Yes
---shira on 11/29/05

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