Where Do Dead Christians Go
Reading scripture I believe that a person will go to Heaven when Jesus ressurects us, otherwise I believe we "sleep" when we die like the incident with lazerus. The bible states no man except the son of God has gone to Heaven. So my question is do we sleep until resurection?
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---Sophia on 12/2/05
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Luke 23:32-43 And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" 43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." This is prove in the Holy Bible. I believe that a soul goes to the Paradise or hell...
---Kvn_Saha on 2/29/12|
Thank you brother Warren. When all else fails see scripture.
"To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."
Scripture ends all debate for he places his WORD even above his own name. God keeps his promises and if he says he won't forsake us and that we are present with him that settles it.
---larry on 2/16/10|
The bible teaches that the spirit of all returns to god,and it doesn,t even distinguish between the good or bad.The body without the spirit is dead says the bible.The soul ceases to be ,the soul dies,it is no more.The idea that the spirt or the soul is a seperate entity is not supported from the bible.It,s about time people learn the bible truth ,and to stop promoting greek greek fable.Genesis 2:7 says that you are are a soul,dust + breath(spirit)= a soul. mike
---michael_mosher on 2/15/10|
When Lazurus was raised it was before Jesus died and risen from the dead. Then the New Testament took effect. Now we go to heaven but not all that go to heaven will stay there. Those are the ones that die the second death.
---Larry on 3/26/09|
Our body goes into the dirt, but our spirit returns to God who made us, to await Jesus's Judgement.
---frances008 on 12/16/08|
the scriptures in the old testament point to a person going to Abraham's bosom / upper sheol at the moment of death.
and in the new testament points to going to heaven at the moment one leaves there body at death.
Lazerus went to Abraham's bosom alive and enjoying being there. he wasnt sleeping.
when the Bible stated that no man has gone into heaven, it was based on the fact at the time that all were yet in Abraham's bosom. but after Jesus resurrection everyone who dies is escorted into heaven. see Ephes. 3:15, Hebrews 12:23, 1 Thessal. 4:14, 2 Corinth. 5:8, Ephes. 3:15, Philip. 1:23
---opalgal on 12/13/08|
spirit goes to Heaven, that is what comes back with Jesus Christ to get it's body!!
---Lloyd on 12/2/08
Where does it say that?
Our Spirit Doesn't return to Earth with Jesus to Claim a New Body...
The Dead shall RISE(That means go up)and those who are alive shall RISE and meet them in the Clouds....
Who's the Dead(?)that the Grave & Sea's, ect. give up and ascend(Go up)?
The Return is after the 7yr. rule of the AC,
And it's NOT in the Spirit that we will return.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/2/08|
Paul who wrote most of the new Testament said Absent with the body then Present with the Lord!
Or spirit goes to Heaven, that is what comes back with Jesus Christ to get it's body!!
---Lloyd on 12/2/08|
Warren>> "our spirits go to be with God..."
You're right that our spirit (the breath of life that He gave us) goes back to God when we die.(Eccles.12:7)
But, the idea that "...may go to a temporary place..." is not in the bible.
Before God breathes into our nostril, our spirit (breath of life) is with Him, but during that time, are we (meaning our spirt) "conscious" or "aware" of where we are?
So, why do find it hard to accept that the spirit of ALL who die goes back to God. It doesn't mean that we have received eternal life.
When judgment day comes all who have died will be resurrected... some unto the resurrection of life, others to damnation. (Jhn.5:29)
---manny on 12/2/08|
I love to see so many engaged in finding the truth. The bottom line is this, 2 Corinthians 5:6 - 8 tells us about it. To be absetnt from the body is to be present with the Lord. In Acts 7:59, Stephen, while being stoned, asked the Lord Jesus to receive his spirit. Our spirits go to be with God the moment they are absent from the body. Those who don't know Christ may go to a temorary place until the judgement where they will be cast into the lake of fire, but not us.
---Warren on 12/1/08|
Soul goes to Heaven when one dies,
If thats true, WHY did Jesus tell his D's that he was leaving and going unto the Father to prepare a place for us and when he was ready, He would "RETURN" for them/us, NOT, Don't worry when you die you'll be in
Heaven with me...
I will "return", SO that you may be with ME in Heaven.
The Bible speaks of people trying to teach others that the Res, has already happened,
I would figure it out before teaching someone your lies/misunderstandings...
That rich man STILL needs a drink of water to this day!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 12/1/08|
Robyn, you are correct. Many times we come into passages that is hard to understand or seems to contradict another passage. If we had the time in life to do all the research we would know everything. The word soul has so many different meanings depending on where the passage is found.
A good research is to have Lexical aid's to look for the word in the original text, for words were revised many times to mean different things in different areas of Scripture. It takes hard work but it is possible to look for answers.
The Bible is clear when it comes to basics of salvation. It brings faith to those who read it, but it takes a life time to learn about God.
---MarkV. on 12/1/08|
I think this is a mystery no one understands completely. I believe God and His Holy Word. The body dies and goes back to the dust abd the soul goes back to its Creator. From that point I think there is a place for the saved and unsaved until the Judgement.There will be a Resurrection,Tribulation and so forth. I believe this.
---Robyn on 11/29/08|
Apart from many scriptures which say things like "the dead know nothing", "in the day that they die all their thoughts perish", "they have no more a portion in anything that is done under the sun", even Martin Luther and William Tyndale believed, based on scriptures, that we sleep in the graves until the resurrection.
''We shall sleep, until He comes and knocks on the little grave and says,
"Doctor Martin, get up! Then I shall rise in a moment, and be with him forever.' - Martin Luther
---Todd1 on 11/26/08|
Our bodies only "sleep" when we die.
Our soul and spirit go to be with God when we die.
Spirit - Ec3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Soul - Re20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Only God can divide the soul and the spirit:
---trey on 11/26/08|
Riht on! When you will die (go to sleep) your body will return to earth/dust and THE BREATH OF LIFE (not the soul) will retun to he Creator and you will sleep until the resurrection morn!
---Pierr5358 on 11/26/08|
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***But you say we go to heaven at death. Not at the Resurrection. Why do we need to be resurrected if we are already there?***
Samuel, In Hebrews 12, we are told those who are saved are ALREADY in Heaven...."The Church of the First born are there now."
At the resurrection Samuel, we are going to have Glorified bodies, fashioned like HIS. We don't yet know what that will be like, but we KNOW we shall be like Him....
Our earthly flesh now is called our earthly tabernacle....Peter states in 2 Peter 1 he is about to put off his tabernacle...yet see's himself going to be with Christ. Flesh and blood cannot enter teh Kingdom of God....Soul and Spirit CAN!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/26/08|
When your breath leaves your body your spirit goes on to be with the Lord. catherine
True. But is the Spirit and the soul the same thing. They are two different words and two differnt definitions.
No where does scripture teach soul sleep. catherine
That is all it teaches.
The ascention reminds believers of Christ's finished work of sacrifice. [Heb. 10:9-18] The concept of ascension is secured in the return of the Son of man to GOD. It secures the resurrection. catherine
But you say we go to heaven at death. Not at the Resurrection. Why do we need to be resurrected if we are already there?
---Samuel on 11/25/08|
When your breath leaves your body your spirit goes on to be with the Lord. No where does scripture teach soul sleep. Jesus came from heaven and He went back up to heaven. Scripture you are referring to is this: Jesus returned to heaven to become the believer's advocate. The ascention reminds believers of Christ's finished work of sacrifice. [Heb. 10:9-18] The concept of ascension is secured in the return of the Son of man to GOD. It secures the resurrection. Ascention exalted Christ above all creation. And this is what ascention means. Does not teach soul sleep, because it does not. Sleep that is.Now, on to Lazarus: Lazarus was in the tumb for four days when Jesus raised him from the dead, to show the glory of God, my friend.
---catherine on 11/23/08|
No one remembers you [Lord] when he is dead. Who praises you from the grave? (Psalm 6:5) All Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished, never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun.(Ecclesiastes 9:6) The dead are not aware of anything that takes place. There is no contact with the living: For the living know they will die, but THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING, they have no reward, and the memory of them is forgotten. for IN THE GRAVE, where you are going, THERE IS NEITHER WORKING NOR PLANNING NOR KNOWLEDGE NOR WISDOM. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 9, 10) Death is dreamless sleep. 54 times the Bible calls death a sleep. The psalmist said, I sleep in death (Psalm 13:3).Jesus taught that death is like a sleep.
---azcountrygirl on 11/23/08|
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i disagree with you that born again believers of christ will go to heaven, it's not to heaven but the new jerusalem, as heaven n earth will pass away (a new heaven n new earth come into being)
---james on 2/25/08|
Micheal "the Arch Angel" Fought(disputed) with Satan over the Body of Moses after he died, I believe it was on Mt. Horeb were he was allowed to see the land that was promised & then he died... The only people mentioned in the word of God that Never tasted Death, was Enoch & Elijah!
---Duane_M on 1/8/08|
The spirit is asleep its all throughout the bible or people dieing and going to sleep. however there is an exception to Moses and Elijah
---rosalie on 1/8/08|
The Bible does not teach soul-sleep. When we die the spirit lives on. And your spirit will either go to Hell or Heaven. The scripture that you are referring too must be studied in the proper context.
---catherine on 1/7/08|
The bible also says that God took Moses, Elijah, so where they men? If they were, where did God take them?
---dan on 1/7/08|
The dead dead, without Jesus Christ, will be going to hell.
Those alive in Jesus Christ will go to heaven in spirit form at the moment of your death. Later on, your body will be resurrected in an incorruptible form. No one knows that day or hour.
---Cindy on 1/7/08|
I believe that "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" is just a perception. When you go to sleep,you don't percieve going to sleep but you do percieve waking up 8 hours later. Same when you die. You don't percieve dying but you do percieve waking up when the Lord returns hundreds of year later.
---Arby on 1/7/08|
Paul wrote he would rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord. I always see Paul looking forward to the day of resurrection when he would receive a new body from heaven and that which was sown in this body would be placed in the new body from heaven. I do not see Paul making any claims of immediately being with the Christ at death.
---Ryan_Z on 6/4/07|
The body sleeps until the day of resurrection, not the Soul.Paul did not long for death so that his soul can sleep; He longs for death because he knew he will be with Christ. He wrote "To be absent from the body and to be home with the Lord".
---catherine on 6/4/07|
noone except Christ went to heaven at death..Eccl 12:7then shall the dust return 2the earth as it was and the spirit/breath shall RETURN unto God who gave it." Read Job 21:32 John 5:28,29 where the body of dead are
---jana on 6/4/07|
Some religions, I believe the 7th Day folks believe in 'soul sleep.' They get this from a number of verses. Other protestants have this doctrine, but it is a minority. Purgatory is a Catholic concept. There is outerdarknes' for bad fallen angels. There is, if you study the Greek, a division between the concept of heaven and paradise.There is sheol(grave) and Gehenna, a place for burning trash, but it was a place name.
---len_k on 6/3/07|
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The Spirit is the life of the Body, the Soul is the personality, that what makes you a individual. Paul said we have a Spiritual Body waiting for us in heaven when this earthly body is dissolved or is no longer functional. to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. God is a God of the living not the dead.
---exzucuh on 1/16/07|
What happens if the elements that made up your body are dissolved into the ground and are used by a new growing tree? I recognize that the elements are of God. Also, what if you are cremated? Again, I understand that the elements are of God.
---I_AM_I on 1/15/07|
I believe when we die our body/soul will remain until Jesus' return,but our spirit returns to GOD as soon as we die.
---JIM on 1/15/07|
So what is the answer? Do we sleep in the Lord or do we wait out there somewhere? God must have a plan for those who have already gone from this earth. I just don't think we really would be sleeping somewhere!
---Gilbert on 1/14/07|
craig, what did your bible say? my bible says we rest in our graves and wait for the return of Christ...noone goes to heaven ..thats false preaching...so many preachers at gravesides say that they go to heaven...nonsense..
---jana on 7/24/06|
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According to the Rev Billy Graham, all christians ( born again believers) go straight to heaven after death.
---craig on 1/26/06|
The Bible mentions several judgements that have/will take place.
1. Christ on the cross
2. Believers according to works
5. Great White throne
When believers are judged according to works we appear before the JUDGEMENT SEAT OF CHRIST. This is a seven year periond. We will be in heaven. During the 1st 3 1/2 yrs. it will be peaceful on earth. Last 3.5 years will be chaotic. The bible mentions it as Jacob's Trouble. We will be in heaven during this time though.
---Rickey on 12/6/05|
In Luke 16:22-31 hell and paradise were mentioned. When a christian dies he goes to paradise. When a non-believer dies he goes to hell. In the final judgement nonbelievers and hell will be casted into the Lake of fire. (Revelation 20:10-15)
---Rickey on 12/6/05|
"If scripture says "no man has entered heaven," it means just that" Revelation 20:13" 1stCliff 12/3/05
"Revelation is highly figurative and symbolic in nature, so taking any part "literal" can confuse!" 1stCliff 12/6/05
---Ulrika on 12/6/05|
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Lee; The word soul is stated over 800 times ,so if you have to arive at a conclusion "by implication",can't you see there's a problem? Revelation is highly figurative and symbolic in nature, so taking any part "literal" can confuse!
---1st_cliff on 12/6/05|
1st_cliff - "Show me the sripture that says "the soul goes back to God at death!"
There may not be a direct statement, Scripture implies that the soul does go back to God after death. In Rev 6:9-10, the souls under the throne must have gotten there after death and we see that they are alive; not asleep.
Rev. 6:9 "... I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice ..."
---lee on 12/6/05|
We may consider that our SPIRIT (if of God) is eternal, our SOUL (see Genesis)is our person on earth. Also our spirit may be only the size of a pin hole, not an apparation, ghostlike image of our flesh. It wouldn't take up much place anywhere. This brings us to some Biblical facts. Our earthly person cannot behold God. Our corruptable must put on the incorruptable to see heaven. There was a rapture (at Jesus's death) and will be another at his return in the air. The dead in Christ shall rise.
---mike_fl on 12/5/05|
Reference: EC on 12/3/05 is another example of only a part of a verse of scripture being ripped out of it context "to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD" is only part of the verse from 2Corithians Chapter 5 Verse 8 and the citation has nothing to do with what is being discussed in that chapter. When you quote scripture out of context it is a pretext for false teaching; it is an extremely bad practice for it can corrupt the meaning intended in the Bible.
---Phil_the_Elder on 12/5/05|
Ecc 12:7 says the spirit will return to God who gave it.
---Elder on 12/5/05|
Other Bible scholars say that Tartarus is just for the fallen angels and say that Paradise is for the dead in Christ and Hades-Sheol is for the wicked. I am not sure who is correct on the "compartment" for the wicked souls. Nevertheless it should not be confused with some of the Greek mythology stuff by Melville. Tartaroo is Greek referring to Tartarus and in 2nd Peter 2:4 translated "hell". But it it is not the Lake of Fire. That is for later.
---debor on 12/5/05|
Lee, if God is not in control of things after death who is? Our souls are with Him, in His Hands so to speak. Our souls have to go somewhere and they go to Hades according to what I have studied. They do not float around in space. He has them in safe-keeping, apparently until Judgement Day when the righteous and the wicked are brought forth in whatever way God does this and we are judged.
---debor on 12/4/05|
From my study apparently our souls go to Hades. There are two compartments in Hades: tartarus for the wicked and paradise for the righteous.(Luke 16:23,25). This paradise is not the same as final destination Heaven. (Luke 23:43). Our souls are held there until Christ returns and whatever is done then. In John 20:17 Jesus mentions that he has not yet ascended to Heaven. He was still in paradise.
---debor on 12/4/05|
Ist Cliff: I was addressing your issue that I was implying that a human body does not disintegrate. That was all.
---debor on 12/4/05|
Debor; none of those scriptures say your "soul" goes anywhere!Ulrika; I never said I "believed " in Joseph Campbell, only that I like some of his works!If all those who "claim" to be "inspired"s writings were scripture we'd have a bible bigger than the Encyclopedia Britanica! Ann; Look up the definition of spirit(Gr. pneuma) and tell me what went back to God!
---1st_cliff on 12/4/05|
To 1st Cliff, if you'll read the scriptures I provided at the end of my statement, the Word talks of our bodies returning to dust. I am not saying that full intact bodies remain in the earth or that our "shell" does not dissinegrate. I was explaining where our bodies go according to scripture and where our souls go. 1 Thess 4:13-18, Ecc. 12:7, 1 Cor 15:52, 53
---debor on 12/4/05|
1stCliff, Why do you like to read and believe Joseph Campbell, but you do not consider the Apostel Paul's letters worthy to believed? 2Timothy 3:16
Jesus did not pen the words in the Bible. Jesus is the Word, but men of God through the Holy Spirit wrote the scripture. 2Peter 1:21
I would much rather follow what Paul wrote than Joseph Campbell. Paul was a pharisee because he believed in the resurrection.
---Ulrika on 12/4/05|
Acts 7:59- the stoning of Stephen. He looked up and saw the heavens open. He saw God sitting on his throne, and Christ standing beside him. Just before Stephen died, he cried out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Then he died. Why would he say that if he didn't believe he would be with Christ the moment of his death. I believe Stephen was with Jesus right at that moment.
---Ann5758 on 12/4/05|
Lee; Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah on the mountain,mat.17 vs 9 clearly states it was a "vision".Debor; Show me the sripture that says "the soul goes back to God at death! E.C; It was Paul who said "absent from the body, present with the Lord" Paul was a Pharisee,and they believed in the immortality of the soul: (ref; any good bible dictionary)
---1st_cliff on 12/4/05|
Do we sleep until the resurrection? I would vote no as we see Moses, who died and others talking to Jesus on the mount. (Mt. 17)
Jesus in talking to the Sadducees told them that God is the god of the living and not the dead (Mt. 22) and that Abraham (who also died) saw his day. (Jn. 8:56)
I am more inclined to believe that wherever the Bible talks of people sleeping, it refers to their body and not their spirit that part that goes back to God when the body dies.
---lee on 12/4/05|
I agree totally with EC.---mima12/3/2005
---mima on 12/4/05|
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Our body's fleshly shell stays in the ground, but our soul goes back to God at death. None of us know exactly how this works. And whether one believes pre, mid, post tribulation Rapture, or no Rapture and just Jesus second coming at the 7th trump, there is coming a time when the dead in Christ are risen followed with the living in Christ and in a twinkling of an eye God will change our spiritual bodies. The souls of the dead in Christ are safe with Him. 1 Thess 4:13-18, Ecc. 12:7, 1 Cor 15:52,53.
---debor on 12/4/05|
If scripture says "no man has entered heaven", it means just that!" Rev.20.13 "and the sea gave up the dead(not dead bodies) that were in it" Not bodies, they've long since disintegrated!What then?? That's the last place they were!So when resurrected ,in effect,the sea gives them back! If they drowned and went to heaven the sea would not be mentioned!
---1st_cliff on 12/3/05|
Bruce it speaks of it in john 3:13 here is what biblegateway says in niv:
13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven the Son of Man.
---sophia on 12/3/05|
John 3:13, Bruce. Nicodemus came to Jesus by night, and was asking him how to be saved. Jesus tells him to be born again, but Nicodemus couldn't understand. Jesus goes on to explain that Nicodemus couldn't understand heavenly things because he was not from heaven- He could only understand earthly things. Then Jesus made this statement. I don't think it means no man has entered heaven (at death). I think it means that only Jesus could understand heavenly AND earthly things because he has been both places.
---Ann5758 on 12/3/05|
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The Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. That has to be Heaven because it also says Jesus is now seated at the right hand of God The Father. Jesus said to the believers..I will never leave you or foresake you. SO...the Christian who has died is instantly with Jesus in the presence of OUR Father in Heaven. NO soul sleep for the Born Again. They are more alive now than before. PTL
---EC on 12/3/05|
I think she was referring to the verse that says no man has ascended into Heaven. Jn 3:13. I believe that our spirit sleeps in God. 1 Th 4:14.
---Rebecca_D on 12/3/05|
Where is it that the bible states that "no man except the son of God has gone to Heaven?"
---Bruce5656 on 12/3/05|