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Can We Sin All The Time

If we cannot loose our salvation by our works or acts, why did God destroy Sodom and Gomorrah? If we can not lose our salvation, does this mean we can do anything that we want (sin), and just ask God to forgive us?

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4. Christ Himself, and He tells you how He will sustain you, make you to stand, teach you, seal you, and you still want to depend on man and not God. The story is about Him, what He can do, not man's. You are good with knowledge but you need understanding to put everything together. You have so much in your head to teach, but you need to reconsider and take it from the beginning.
---Lupe2618 on 6/14/08

The writer of Romans put it best in Romans 6:14-15 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!

If you continue to practice the same sin you better take a look at your heart.
---denna7667 on 9/7/07

2. I have read most of your postings and answers and you mention many times about how God could not created a world without free will and that we would be robots and you place this believe in even the lost. You go as far as saying that it would not be fair for God to do that to man. You hold all your believes in free will as if man was in control and not God. You tend to forget that when all is said and done after the judgment and we are all with Christ, there will be no sin. no more free will. why?
---Lupe2618 on 9/2/07

Using God's forgiveness as a license to sin is abusing God's grace. Just because God will forgive us when we confess our sins, does not give us the right to sin.
---Leslie on 1/3/07

If we say we don't sin, the truth is not in us. We all sin, even saved. Were not bound by it if we realize that. This is why Jesus speaks to the father on our behalf. I sin every day but I go before God's throne of Grace in Jesus name and receive forgivness. The unsaved can't do this until they accept God's son and what He did for us. I know most Christians know that we all sin. Jesus was the only one without sin, but He became a sin offering. Regrettably we all sin. Paul struggled with it until he died.
---Ralph on 12/31/05

The question answers itself.The people that perished in Sodom and Gomorrah were never saved. Lot was and He exscaped.---mima12/31/2005
---mima on 12/31/05

Eloy, can you really say that your hate for you wife is gone? You see Eloy, we live a life in the flesh and many things are going to happen to us, that is why we sin. People hurt us and we gather this hate for someone. I have heard from your own words. Then I hear what you say to others here about who you are. Brother no one is without sin that is why we need Christ, to get us through our walk with Him.
---Lupe2618 on 12/31/05

Eloy, I wonder if you missed my question below or are you ignoring it?
---Bruce5656 on 12/31/05

Rebecca, a sanctified and consecrated body does not sin. "And the very God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY; and your whole spirit and soul AND BODY be preserved blamless up to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (emphasis mine) I Thessalonians 5:23.
---Eloy on 12/30/05

4. particularly praiseworthy. James writes, "You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble!" 2:19. Here the sarcasm drips from James's pen. To believe in the existence of God merely qualifies us to be demons. It is one thing to believe IN God; it is another thing to believe God. To believe God, to trust in Him for our very life, is the essence of the Christian faith.
---Lupe2618 on 12/30/05

3. They only turn over some of their life to God but not all of it. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen" Faith comprises the essence of our hope for the future. In simple terms this means that we trust God for the future based on our faith in what He has accomplished in the past. To believe that God will continue to be trustworthy is not a gratuitous faith. Faith includes believing in God. Yet that kind of faith is not
---Lupe2618 on 12/30/05

2. When someone answers that they can lose their salvation, they are basing that on what they are capable of doing. Their works are much included in their salvation. Their own didn't help them before they were Christian, how can it help them now? They fail doing things their way, how can they now still depend on themselves? I wake up thinking how it is possible for someone to say they gave their lifes to Christ when they still have them in thier own hands.
---Lupe2618 on 12/30/05

Job 9:15, Pr 20:9. Job said who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean thing, not one. I think Eloy understands what we are saying but, he doesn't want to admit it that the flesh still sins. It doesn't make sense if Eloy is sinless even the flesh, then why would God give him a new body?
---Rebecca_D on 12/29/05

peter, 1Jn 1:6, "If we say we are right with him, but walk in darkness, we lie"- vs 8 speaks of these liars, and not of the righteous. "I write this, that you all not sin. And if somebody sin, a Counsellor we have with the Father, righteous Jesus Christ; and he the appeasement is yours for sin: and of not for ours only, but even for all the world." Jesus said, "A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit." Matthew 7:18.
---Eloy on 12/29/05

6. This does not mean that Christians do not emporarily fall victims of sin, for we see that all too common. Even the best of men backslide temporaryily. But they are never completely defeated; for God, by the exercise of His grace on thier hearts infallibly prevents even the weakest saint from final apostasy. As yet we have the treasure in our lifes, that the exceeding greatness of the power (or Glory) may be of God, and not from ourselves,(2Cor. 4:7).
---Lupe2618 on 12/29/05

5. "God commendeth His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by His blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by His life," Rom. 5:8-10). I am talking about true believers. Someone that is a new creation in Christ.
---Lupe2618 on 12/29/05

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4. Here is a look into God's love. It is a part of His nature. The infinite, mysterious, eternal love of God for His people is a guarantee that they can never be lost. This love is not subject to fluctuations but is as unchangeable as His being. It is also gratuitous, and keeps faster hold of us than we of it. It is not found on the attractiveness of its objects. "Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins," (1 John 4:10).
---Lupe2618 on 12/29/05

3. be true. Thirdly, he twists and explains away the Scripture passages which teach it, and clings to some which appear on the surface to favor his preconceived views. In fact, his everyday experience, in which he sees every thing and person treated according to works and merits, that he has great difficulty in bringing himself to believe that it can be true. He wishes to earn his own salvation, though certainly he expects very high wages for very sorry work.
---Lupe2618 on 12/29/05

2. It seems that man, poor, wretched and impotent as he is, would welcome a doctrine which secures for him the possessions of eternal happiness despite all attacks from without and all evil tendencies from within. But it is not so. He refuses it, and argues against it. And the causes are not far to seek. In the first place he has more confidence in himself than he has any right to have. Secondly, the system is so contrary to what he is used to in the natural world that he persuades himself that it cannot
---Lupe2618 on 12/29/05

John, here, then, are very simple and plain statements that the Christian shall continue in grace, I am writing this so others can read it. The reason being that the Lord takes it upon Himself to preserve him in that state of salvation. In these promises the elect are secured on both sides. Not only will God not depart from them, but He will so put His fear into their hearts that they shall not depart from Him. Surely no Spirit-taught Christian can doubt that this doctrine is taught in the Bible.
---Lupe2618 on 12/29/05

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We can loose fellowship and favour and even our life but never our sonship. Lupe, you have it 100% correct.I love all those Scriptures you gave. How can any one argue or misinterpret those?This is a great salvation we have.When you really understand it you won't want to sin but if you do, grace is greater.
---john on 12/28/05

As for your answer Eloy, you still haven't got it. You missed the point all together. You can try to earn your salvation, but as you told Pierr, about the law, you should follow what you tried to teach him. You had a good point when talking to him about how he was not under the law anymore and you turn around and put yourself under it with your answers.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

When we become saved we are new creations in Christ. We want to obey our Father, but I find myself asking His forgiveness because of being a human who does make mistakes. Remember with Jesus living in your heart, when you sin you are also causing Jesus to sin. And, when you sin, your gift of the Holy Spirit is also caused to sin.
---Nellah on 12/28/05

7. sin can no longer subject the person to punishment), Rom.7:8. "ye were made dead to the law through the body of Christ." Rom. 7:4. The one who attempts to earn even the smallest part of his salvation by works becomes "a debtor to do the whole law" (that is, to render perfect obedience in his own strength and thus earn his salvation), Gal.5:3. The infinite, mysterious, eternal love of God for His people is a guarantee that they can never be lost.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

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6. "ye are not under law but under grace," Further sin cannot possibly cause their downfall, for they are under a system of grace and are not treated according to their merits. "If it is by grace, it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace," "The law worketh wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression," Rom.4:15. "Apart from the law sin is dead" (that is where the law is abolished sin
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

Hold on Eloy, Your eyes are about to be opened. I can prove that we all sin, right from the Word of God. I say this in love. "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us". 1John 1:8 NIV
"My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defence-Jesus Christ, the righteous one. 1John 2:1 NIV There are other evidences of this in the bible also.
---Peter on 12/28/05

5 and cause the new life to be lost. The born-again Christian can no more lose his sonship to the heavenly Father than an earthly son can lose his sonship to an earthly father. The idea that a Christian may fall away and perish arises from a wrong conception of the principle of spiritual life which is imparted to the soul in regeneration. Paul teaches that believers are not under the law, but under grace, and that since they are not under the law they cannot be condemned for having violated the law.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

4. Regeneration (rebirth) is a radical and supernatural change of the inner nature, through which the soul is made spiritually alive, and the new life which is implanted is immortal. And since it is a change in the INNER nature, it is in a SPHERE in which man does not have control. No creature is at liberty to change the fundamental principles of its nature, for that is the prerogative of God as Creator. So that nothing short of another supernatural act of God could reverse this change
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

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3. determining factor. Certainly a sovereign loving God would not permit His ransomed children to thus fall away and perish. No one denies that the redeemed in heaven will be preserved in holiness. yet if God is able to preserve His saints in heaven without violating their free will, may He not also preserve His saints on earth without violation their free will? You see, the nature of the change which occurs in regeneration (or rebirth) is a sufficient guarantee that the life imparted shall be permanent.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

2. But who can really believe that the heavenly Father takes no better care of His children that that? This mistaken doctrine of the Arminians teaches that a person may be a son of God today and a son of the Devil tomorrow, that he may change from one state to another as rapidly as he changes his mind. It teaches that he may be born of the Spirit, justified, sanctified, all but glorified, and that even then he may become reprobate and perish eternally, his own will and course of conduct being the
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

In regard to those who become true Christians, but who, as the Arminians allege, fall away, why does God not take them out of the world while they are in the saved state? Surely no one will say that it is because He can not, or that it is because He does not foresee their future apostasy. Why, then does He leave these objects of His affection here to fall back into sin and perish? His gift of continued life (eternal) to these Christians amounts to an infinite curse placed upon them.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

Lupe-( He is the bread of life, He did come from Heaven, if we eat of this bread which is Him, we shall live forever.( Nothing hard to that statement.) Really verse 69 Many of HIS FOLLOWERS heard this and said "This is too HARD . Who can listen to it".
---ruben on 12/28/05

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Eloy, restating your opinion does not make it any less contradictory.

A. A Christian CANNOT SIN.
B. A Christian CAN SIN the sin of "leaving their first love" or "staying not in me".

Can we agree that sin is primarily an act of the will? Matt 5:27, 12:34 That sin acted out is born in sinful desires? James 1:13

What NON SINFUL, (for a Christian cannot sin), act of the will is it that will take one out of the position of being a Christian?
---Bruce5656 on 12/28/05

Sinneth not - so to commit sin is here so to practise it as sinners do, that are distinguished from saints, to live under the power and dominion of it; (Practice, Live under the power) (Matthew Henry)
---mike on 12/28/05

Sinneth not - He who is born again does not sin habitually, or is not habitually a sinner. If he does wrong, it is when he is overtaken by temptation, and the act is against the habitual inclination and purpose of his soul. If a man sins habitually, it proves that he has never been renewed. (Albert Barnes)
---mike on 12/28/05

1Jo 3:6 - Whosoever abideth in him, sinneth not; not that he has no sin in him, or lives without sin, but he does not live in sin, nor give up himself to a vicious course of life; for this would be inconsistent with his dwelling in Christ, and enjoying communion with him: (John Gill)
---mike on 12/28/05

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It is the perfect Christians that cause all the unbelievers to scream "hypocrit". We are not perfect, we are saved by faith, because our Savior was perfect. If you can keep the whole law, and sin not Eloy, you don't need a Savior.
---mike on 12/28/05

And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
(Luke 18:13)

...even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
(Galatians 2:16)

... that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
(1 Timothy 1:15)
---mike on 12/28/05

mike, if you are a sinner, then you are not a christian: you cannot be both. Jesus never said, try not to sin, instead he commands, Sin not. "Whoever stays in him sins not...let no man deceive you, he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning...Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." ref: I John 3:6-10.
---Eloy on 12/28/05

Eloy, i don't know about you, but i am a sinner. my relationship with Christ calls for me to resist sin, but i have trouble at times brother. Jesus took the penalty for my sins, He has not removed the sinful nature yet. One day, He will, in the twinkling of an eye.
---mike on 12/28/05

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Bruce, When we are in the Spirit there is no sin. A Christian is a well-doer, and not a sinner, for it is impossible to serve Christ and serve sin too. "And now also the ax is laid onto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forward good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. IF A MAN STAYS NOT IN ME, he is put forward as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and throw into the fire, and they are burned." Matthew 3:10; John 15:6. Please read Romans 6:16.
---Eloy on 12/28/05

My answers are from a true believers standpoint. If a true believer fell away, then their bodies, which are the "temples of the Holy Spirit" would become the habitations of the Devil, which of course would make the Devil rejoice and insult over God (1 Cor.6:19). The Christian is like a man making his way up hill, who occasionally slipes back, yet always has his face set toward the summit. The lost has his face turned downwards, and he is slipping all the way.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

Who can pluck one from the Father's hand?
---mike on 12/28/05

We all sin. The only person that never sinned was Christ. What does the Word say about this? We are not bound anymore to sin once we are in Christ, but if we do sin, we have an advocate and that is Christ Jesus. If you say that you do not sin, you are a liar.
---J on 12/28/05

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I agree with you that a Christian can backslide and be lost in the end. However, as the others are trying to point out to you, your position that a Christian CANNOT SIN but that they can backslide is inconsistent.

Leaving their first love as you put it is sin, is it not? Is it not putting something (even if it is self) before God? Is this not sin?
---Bruce5656 on 12/28/05

6. I have said what I said to you with love. I have had you in my heart for a while now. I know you know a lot cause I see it all the time. I know your love for the Lord. I would love to see you in total dependence upon God. This way, come hell or high water you will know in your heart that things don't happen by chance or fate. In the end, Ultimately God will work it for good. Even when people hurt you or you lose your job, God will see that the end result Ultimately will be for your good.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

5. John 10:27-30: "My sheep hear my voice,(us) and I know them, and they follow me; and I give them "eternal life", and they shall "never" perish, and "no one" shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has "given them to me", is greater than all, and (no one is able) to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one." Can this passage mean anything other then what it says? Maybe I am missing something and don't understand it.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

5. It seems to me that you believe you are good, because of yourself, but it is God that influences you Eloy. You respond to questions not because of you, because of God in you. You have what you have because of God. Who speaks to your heart to love another? It is God. Why do you read God's word? Because of God. If you were lost you would be doing something else and not even give God a minute of your life. But you are different now. You are a child of God.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

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4. As I read that passage, Who will sustain you till the end? Christ. Who is faithful? God. Who called you? God. There is nothing on what you had to do or how great a person you had to be. It is all about God. I believe you give God no credit at all and all the credit is on you. The same way as when lost. It is all about what you can do and not what God can do through you. You are still the determinator of you life and not God for I see most of your answers that way.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

3. Can you interpret (1 Cor. 1:7-9)? Since you have the Greek and Hebrew helpers, explain if anything is other then what the statement says? "..So that you are not lacking in any spiritual gift, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ; who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord."
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

2. While you are at it, Check (Colossians 3:3,4) "For you have died,(meaning your old life has died) and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory." (Christ is our life). Romans 8:1, "For there is no comdemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus" But you say there is, can you explain not adding something to those Scriptures?
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

Eloy, what does eternal mean to you? What is it that you don't understand about eternal? Was Jesus deceiving the apostels? How much time is eternal a minute, hour, or year? What is your answer to that passage? Did you hear Jesus saying, "what you had to do after salvation to get eternal life?" He said, "If you believe in me, you have eternal like" He seems to say if our converstion is true we have eternal life. I would love for you to explain that passage.
---Lupe2618 on 12/28/05

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M.P., It happens because the former christian leaves their first love, namely, Christ, in order to sin. Jesus Christ said that good trees do not produce bad fruit, and rightly he said this, for just as a spouse does not yoke with someone other than their married partner; BUT some spouses DO NOT STAY with their married partner and will divorce, so too do people leave Christ for sin. This is Biblical, called falling away and backsliding, and it is not a contradiction.
---Eloy on 12/26/05

It happens all the time, foolish people leaving Christ for sin.---Eloy on 12/20/05. How can this happen if Christians cannot sin Eloy? You appear to be arguing against you own opinions here.
---M.P. on 12/21/05

Rebecca, thank you for getting into our questions, I know this questions are so criticle to the believer. Our confidence is in Christ Jesus our Lord. We have the Prince of Peace, The Lord of our Salvation. And He will make it possible for us to be with Him not only now but for eternity, He said "you have eternal life." Eternal is not for a year are two but eternal. Believe it, with all of your heart. Don't ever let anyone tell you different. Trust in Jesus words instead of man's.
---Lupe2618 on 12/20/05

Eloy, I wanted you to look at what you are saying and I still don't think you have, but its ok. It's close to Christmas and I think we should give it a rest and just wish you a Merry Christmas and I pray that you have the faith to wait on the Lord for the job and any other matters you have had trouble with. Prayers to you and family, Keep working hard on the Scriptures, because you are going to get many more questions to come, blessings
---Lupe2618 on 12/20/05

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Eloy: if a person is a born again child of God, then for some odd reason, they fall away from him (leaving their first love), how could that be possible if they can't sin? No one is exempt of falling away from God.
---Rebecca_D on 12/20/05

Lupe, i quoted scriptures to address your misjudgment. The truth is, a true born-again Christian does not sin because it is not in him to sin. But know this, if a Christian does not stay in Christ, but yields to the Tempter outside of his body, then he may fall into sin and lose his salvation. What's so difficult about understanding disobedience? Just as a person can get a divorce, so too can a person lose their relationship with God. It happens all the time, foolish people leaving Christ for sin.
---Eloy on 12/20/05

Those people in 2 Peter were not saved. They were inlighten to the word of God just like many preachers today that are false preachers, they know the way of the Lord and yet they are not on the way. Read the whole context and see what was happening at the time. Misinterpretation is bad and has confused you so much. Get yourself a few commentaries and a Hermeneutic books and put things in order. You know so much but are stuck in one area and you miss everything.
---Lupe2618a on 12/19/05

Just listen to your last statement Eloy. Read it all and you tell me if those people you talked about can lose their salvation. You say whoever is born of God "Cannot commit sin" and you go on and say because, he cannot sin, and then you tell me they can lose their salvation. Now, can they or not. If he is a perfect tree can he lose his salvation. You don't listen to yourself. Eloy. Read it again.
---Lupe2618 on 12/19/05

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1Corinthians 3:7-15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know you not that you are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

I think this means God can allow a Christian to die, if they continually sin with no sincere repentance in mind. God knows our thoughts. 1Corinthians 3:20
---Ulrika on 12/19/05

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Romans 2:1-16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
---Ulrika on 12/19/05

Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we sontinue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 6:3-12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.13,14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16-23
---Ulrika on 12/19/05

Lupe, you continually misjudge me and malign what i say. "A good tree cannot bring forward bad fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forward good fruit. Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. For by one offering he has perfected for ever them that are sanctified." Matthew 7:18; I John 3:9; Hebrews 10:14
---Eloy on 12/19/05

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Lupe, there are those who do not stay in Christ. For after salvation if they are again overcome with sin, the latter end is worse with them than the first. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, afterward to have turned away from righteousness. II Peter 2:20-22. Please read Romans 6:16; Matthew 3:10; John 15:6.
---Eloy on 12/19/05

Rebecca_D if Grace is "Unmerited Favor" then how could anyone fall from Grace. God's Grace is directed towards us without any work on our own, thus it is not our merit but His favor that gives it. Through the Scripture we see that God hates sin but loves the sinner. If I work for Grace then it is not a gift.
---Elder on 12/19/05

4 Take the subject of salvation, you tell everyone that God would never interfer with man's free will even when lost. You make statements how great man is with his free will. And you mention that all the time. First of all you are saved by grace. Faith comes second and it is from God. Saved first, faith second. You cannot have faith before you are saved. You have faith because YOU ARE saved. An unbeliever has no faith in God plus faith comes from God. Can you see your predictment?
---Lupe2618 on 12/19/05

3. I saw more of it when you answered on the Law. Your concept of the law is also very wrong. You say that now we don't follow the law and that anyone that follows it is doom because if he follows one he is lost, and because of Christ we should not follow ANY law. You totally remove the MORAL laws of God. How can anyone just say they are not to follow them. They are still law. The moral laws is God's very nature.
---Lupe2618a on 12/19/05

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2. in the same answers you condemn the one's that still sin and you say they are going to hell. Now you say a true Christian can lose his salvation. If he is a true Christian like you, sinless, how can he lose his salvation? You make the case for what a Christian is, sinless, and you turn around and say he can lose his salvation. Can you explain how he can lose it if he is perfect like you? You have two concepts or maybe even more and you cannot connect them because your understanding is lacking.
---Lupe2618 on 12/19/05

Eloy, let me explain something I said, when I said you have knowledge but need understanding. Even your own words confuse you in many ways. Though I don't believe that you are without sin as you say. I want you think about this. You mentioned to many that you are a true Christian because you are sinless. That God made you that way when you were saved. You also give many Scriptures to show your point about what a true Christian is suppose to be.
---Lupe2618 on 12/19/05

Lupe, you read the context. The verse before states, "Let not him that eats despise him that eats not; and let not him which eats not judge him that eats: for God has received him." Do you see? He's talking about, "Who are you to judge another man's servant, ABOUT WHAT THEY EAT- it says nothing about salvation. You should stop forcing scripture to support the false doctrine of OSAS.You are forcing verse 4 to apply to a false doctrine of OSAS.
---Eloy on 12/19/05

3. I find nothing hard in depending on God. I realize my need for Him and how much He means to my life. God had mercy on me and saved me and there is nothing I could do to repay for what He did. Now that I am saved, I put my trust in Him and what He can do through me. While in the flesh I will struggle but little by little with His help I become a better person. If I lose faith in Him through struggles He will not abandon me. He already knew what kind of troubles I was going to be in.
---Lupe2618 on 12/18/05

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2. they had a sincere conversion but are still trying to reach God on their own. They have always depended on themselves so they still want to depend on their own strenghts. But the Bible tells us that It is not us that lives but Christ in us. It is no more just us on our own. Christ is our strength and our helper. Our dependence is now on Him and Him along. If it is still on us we will fall. Why have a Mediator if we are depended on ourselves?
---Lupe2618 on 12/18/05

Rebeca, you can come in anytime. I love your answers and would like to hear from you. Falling from Grace, I believe we do fall from grace many times but I don't think falling from grace means you lose your salvation. I am talking about a true Christian. Someone that has the Holy Spirit. Someone that repented when he was saved. Here is what I think. I believe that many out there think as if they don't have the Holy Spirit. They know they have been born again
---Lupe2618 on 12/18/05

5. Think of this, God gives you eternal life, then He takes it away from you. How could it be eternal life? He lets you into heaven, then He kicks you out. He seals you, then He unseals you. He makes you His child, adopting you, and then He abandons you. He makes you a New Creation, then He uncreates you. Now you tell me how silly is that? I have never heard anything from Scripture that teaches that.
---Lupe2618a on 12/18/05

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