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Tithe Or Feed My Chilldren

Regarding tithes. How do I approach tithing when 10% of my gross income would literally mean that I couldn't pay rent or feed my children?

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Jackie.Please know the truth for yourself. God has already blessed you to pay rent and feed your children. I would do that. Put something aside for the offering. We can never repay God for all that he has done for us or out give Him. But do give to your church because bills do have to be paid. Take care of needs and not greeds. You won't go wrong.
---Robyn on 3/16/08

I pay a double tithe and a freewill offering (see Malachi 3). This forces me to trust God to provide. He has never failed me. So I believe that you should tithe.

However, God understands that faith has to grow. Consider giving 1% and ask God to magnify your faith so you can give 2%. When you are able to give 2%, then ask Him for faith to give 3%.

If you are faithful to keep your giving promises, I believe God will slowly take your giving where He wants you to be, as He did for me.
---a_servant on 2/4/08

is it better to do good or keep the letter of the law. I think Jesus would rather you feed your children, but he would want you to keep your finances in order, cut spending in areas that are nessicary so that you can be a blessing to others. (it is a process not a law, those that want to be a blessing financially have to work at it.)
---Jared on 11/7/06

Don't let your children to go hungry to support a church. That's bad Mothering.

---Reiter on 11/7/06

When the poor woman was seeking two sticks for a fire to eat and die Elijah said make him a little cake first. Her obediance was honoured with meal and oil enough to last. The word of God is clear about robbing God and those who have an abundance helping those who lack. When you tithe having nothing like the poor widow that gave all her living and those who have don't help you it is probably a witness against them at the throne of God for not truly loving their neighbor.
---Shari on 6/24/06

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Tithe and let no one know, pray to God/Jesus read matthhew
---Me on 6/24/06

I really have no problem with encouraging people to support their local church financially. As I stated before, 10 percent of income is a good guideline (I refuse to call it the tithe because that would smack of bad doctrine) but agree that there are situations where one cannot met that goal.

I have seen people borrow money to met the tithe but that I believe is wrong. And their children over at the neighbors looking for food.

And yes there are preachers out there that peddle the gospel.
---lee on 2/7/06

John, Yes, we are to be lead by the Spirit, but whom do you think set the precedent/principle in the OT of the tithe. I do not think it extortion to encourage folks to support their local church financially - to the best of their ability. Some cannot do 10%, but most can. It is not a burden if you know where the money is going and to Who's glory.
---daphn8897 on 1/20/06

We who believe that titheing is O.T. law don't say that people don't have a responsibility to give. The N.T. makes us responsible for 100% instead of a measly 10% that didn't even belong to us in the first place. We believe in stewardship,which is the free will for you to hear from the Spirit concerning what and where and how much to give. That is a healthy Church. Extortion is not healthy.
---john on 1/20/06

lee, none taken.. and, I'm not Baptist. Over the years I've been in many denominations, all of which taught tithing as a principle - including Catholic. So, it is not just a "Baptist" teaching. You cannot have what you don't support, and that includes a good, healthy local church. You must not distrust every church leader because of a few jerks.
---daphn8897 on 1/20/06

daphn8897 - so basically what you have is a modified or updated version of the tithe instead of to Israel to the church instead. That is why I stated the the "Christian tithe" is basically a Baptist doctrine - no disrepect intended.

I believe that our giving should reflect our love for the Lord and our need to fulfil the Great Commission. It is important to give where the need is the greatest; most of my giving is to the Bible Societies, esp. the Gideons.
---lee1538 on 1/20/06

Tithing is not just about money. The Bible tells us to take care of our family first. You are struggling financially to take care of your children. Talk to God about your means of tithe. You can "tithe" of your time, help a friend, visit someone old or sick, look around you and God will show you many ways that your can "give back" and "plant seeds" until He supplies you with finances to take care of your family AND give 10% of your earnings to tithing. God Bless You.
---Vel on 1/20/06

As far as where should the tithe go, as with the tribe of Levi, I believe to the local church. I want to be a support to those who are charged with my care. And, I'm very careful about giving to para-church ministries, and believe anything I do give in that direction should be above/in addition to my tithe.
---daphn8897 on 1/20/06

lee, seems you've had negative experiences. I understand what it is to feel betrayed by a pastor who's agenda is his own glory rather than the glory of God. I've also experienced the shock of a pastor committing adultry, actually 2 different pastors over the years.
---daphn8897 on 1/19/06

If you view giving to the work of the Lord as a principle rather than a legal obligation, I could suppport that view. Howbeit, there are many pastors that would shove Malachi 3:10 in your face and tell you that you are "robbing God" if you do not give to them. Then there is the problem as to whom you give your money to - the local church or to other charities & ministries.
---lee on 1/19/06

Also, I do not tithe because I have to. Nor do I give above the tithe because I have to. I see in scripture a principle that we are to support God's servants as Israel did the tribe of Levi. I see that in giving I deal death blows to the idol of materialism and my comfort. I cannot always do so "cheerfully", but I know that each step of obedience I take makes me smaller and Him bigger in my eyes.
---daphn8897 on 1/19/06

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lee, I am not trying to "burden" folks with the Law, nor am I parroting what my pastor says. And if I am a "weak" Christian, then His strenght will show all the more. My actual point was that though we are under grace, we aren't to ignore the Law and its principles. Under the old covenant it brought death, under the new covenant it is still God's standard with the consequence of breaking it covered by the blood of Jesus.
---daphn8897 on 1/19/06

I think Mike may be pulling a leg or two.

That's how I see work Mike.
Wow, I showed up, NOW you want me to work too?
---NVBarbara on 1/19/06

Totally agree with Moderator. It is forums like this one that helps people to think as they see cherished ideas brought down and replaced with more from the Word of God. It is very true that most Christians do not do their own research but simply parrot their pastors who themselves were poorly trained.
---lee on 1/18/06

daphn8897 - "If you take the quote the way you have, then it is okay to kill, to covet, to lie, to steal, etc."

You really need to read that passage (Acts 15) a little more carefully as the issue was whether Gentiles had to observe Mosaic Law (esp, circumcision & I suspect that other Mosaic laws were also view including tithing, sabbath observance); common moral law or behavior was not even in focus.
---lee on 1/18/06

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daphn8897 - "your comment about "weak christians" is not kind or Christlike."

Not really! it is not unChristlike to recognize the fact that you always have legalists or people not versed in Scripture to demand that Christians observe OT laws such as tithing or sabbath observance - standards that the Council of Jerusalem did not request of Gentile Chrisitans. To request either of the church, is to be back under the law.

Moderator - Lee, please keep in mind most people are not versed in the scriptures because their Pastors were taught incorrectly also. Most Christians are just parroting their Pastor versus doing their own research. I was a Christian for twenty years before I figured this one out. The Law = mandatory tithing + offerings. The New Testament = a cheerful giver. What most Christians are missing is that they can cheerfully give more than a tithe and exceed the Law if that is what the Holy Spirit has placed on their heart. In the New Testament we now have the Gift of Giving as a gift of the Holy Spirit.
---lee on 1/18/06

If it wasn't for God Mike, you wouldn't be able to work. I can tell you are just one of those people who "just go to church". So what if you go to church? With an attitude like that I bet Satan is sitting right beside you, holding your hand. God said it best when he said, you will reap what you sow. No it isn't your money. We don't own anything in this life, at least I don't. I hope this comment you made, you were joking when you said it.
---Rebecca_D on 1/18/06

What? Give a tenth of my hard earned money to the church? why? Isn't it enough that I attend church? Like we think we would get a blessing for tithing, or even offering beyond that? Let us be for real. It is my money, not God's, right? I do have the Lexus payment to make you know.
---mike on 1/18/06

lee, your comment about "weak christians" is not kind or Christlike. The issue in that scripture was whether Gentile coming to Christ should be circumsized - which would be considered a hardship. If you take the quote the way you have, then it is okay to kill, to covet, to lie, to steal, etc. In the NT we experience grace concerning everything, but with that grace comes a wonderful responsibility... not to be a "burden", but to do with joy. We love Him, because He first loved us...
---daphn8897 on 1/18/06

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daphn8897 - "I see no scripture... supporting the cessation of the tithe."

If you need scripture that the tithe ceased read Acts 15:28 - "For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. ..."

Weak Christians think that Jewish laws must be forced on the church.
---lee on 1/18/06

Moderator, Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. He fulfilled it because no one else could. However, this does not mean that we are to ignore it. It still stands as God's standard for us. If we break a commandment, we often still bare some consequences in the natural. Where your treasure is there also is your heart. Folks opinions on tithing often locates their hearts.

Moderator - Do you eat your tithe every 3rd year at the gate? Do you give your whole tithe to the poor every so many years? Do the Levi priests at the temple use your tithe, etc, etc, etc. Bottomline even the Jews today can't tithe according to the Law. Christians are required to be cheerful GIVERS in the NT. As I stated before 10% is a good place to start and do it because you LOVE God not under force of the Law.
---daphn8897 on 1/18/06

Moderator, yes, but it did set a precedent... Also, it doesn't say "one time," just says he gave. We don't know if it continued or not. Check out Malachi 3:8-11. Vs.8 to begin, "Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed me. But you say, how have we robbed you? In tithes and offerings." I see no scripture anywhere specifically supporting the cessation of the tithe. Precedent was set by Abraham, followed by the nation of Israel in the OT, and an accepted practice by our church fathers.

Moderator - We do know because we have the scriptures available to us. The tithe wasn't part of the Law until Moses. Abraham wasn't under the Law. Christians also aren't under the Law. Christians are required to be cheerful givers in the NT not tithers. A tithe is a good place for a Christian to start, however it isn't a Law anymore.
---daphn8897 on 1/18/06

lee, the scripture says Abram gave a 10th of EVERYTHING... I think that's pretty clear. Everything is everything. And it did establish precedent. The tithe supported the tribe of Levi. The tithe supported the early church. The tithe supports the local church today.

Moderator - It was a one time gift which he didn't continue.
---daphn8897 on 1/17/06

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Can anyone tell me where in the Bible money is used as tithes?
---john on 1/17/06

I wouldnt say every church that teaches tithing is a cult. After all Jesus taught he cultic? No, of coarse not. How ever I will say that the mormon cult does stronly push tithing and will tell followers that they can not go into the temple without tithing. Another way Freemasonry is sneaking in.
---Steve on 1/17/06

lily - "I know of a church where they keep records of the tithers and if you missed paying for ..."

Yes, the Mormon church, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Seventh Day Adventists as well as other cults strongly preach tithing.

Have you ever asked why and how the Mormon church never has to borrow money to build their buildings? And consider that they own several jewelry stores, grocery stores, and other enterprises.

Those that preach tithing are advocating false doctrine.
---lee1538 on 1/17/06

To all these people who are wondering about tithing, most of you are looking for justification for why youre not tithing. If you are under a pastor that teaches tithing and you disagree then leave. You need to support a pastor that you agree with otherwise animosity will build up. Tithing is NOT a chore, give with your heart and blessings arent always money so after you tithe expect blessings not money.
---Robbie on 1/17/06

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From a biblical prospective it is difficult to defend tithing as a Christian doctrine.

And for those that have a common sense or rational view on the subject, the tithe is really an inequitable system.

For instance, the tithe to a successful dentist is a good tax write-off but for many an enlisted sailor with a wife and family, sometimes on welfare, it is food right off the table.

Moderator - I agree except on the tax write-off part. Most people don't understand the tax code. If you give $100,000, the government says that you don't pay taxes on the money given, however that is still $100,000 out of your pocket.
---lee on 1/17/06

I know of a church where they keep records of the tithers and if you missed paying for some reason, they call to ask you why you didnt pay for a particular month. They make you feel so guilty of robbing God!
---lily on 1/17/06

I agree John. The tithes from the wealthy should, amongst other things, be helping the poor in the church.
---M.P. on 1/17/06

Yes John more churches need to be like that. I am thankful my church helps those in need and don't beg for money. The money we get at the church goes for the church, (heat, water, power, and plus it helps those who need it. I am thankful for the people in the little church I go to. We are rare, cause we care about one another alot.
---Rebecca_D on 1/16/06

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What if you thought about tithes as your time not your money if you think about it God dose not need our money to do his work but he dose need us to willing servents and we cant do that if we are not spending time with God and in His Word. I do belive that God can lead you to give to the Church but I belive that it is more about being obedent and hearing God speak to you personally.
---vickie on 1/16/06

10%??? I do not see that in the NT anywhere. Jesus always said "Give All" or "Take Up Your Cross and Follow Me". Does this mean to sell everything you own and give it to your local church? NO!! I see people giving more then they can afford waiting for "a blessing" in return. This is not what Jesus wants. He wants you to GIVE OF YOURSELF. Give from your heart, not your pocketbook because someone says 10%. Sometimes 2 Mites is worth more then a million dollars.
---Steve on 1/16/06

Churches that advocate tithing often will tell their followers that one cannot out give God and that the more one gives, the more one can expect to receive in return. Never mind the pastors usually make big bucks themselves and generally afraid to teach the biblical truth about giving preferring instead to force OT tithing on their gullible congregants.
---lee on 1/16/06

daphne. Titheing was occasionally observed pre law but it became law according to Lev. 27:30-34. Heb. 7:6-12 acknowleges this also.
Everything that Moses came down the mountain with was law.
---john on 1/16/06

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Wouldn't it be nice if churches would help the people out if they had trouble feeding their children instead of asking for more money from them?
---john on 1/16/06

daphn8897 - It is uncertain whether Abraham offered the tithe of the spoils or of the goods which he possessed at home. I think that former as he was far away from home.

Nor do we read that Abraham paid an annual tithe. This was to Melchizedek once only, for the purpose of acknowledging him as the high priest of God.
---lee on 1/16/06

It is very important to feed your children. I believe tithing was an ordinance for the Jews in the OT. Just give what you want to give. 1Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart,so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
---Ulrika on 1/15/06

Actually tithing was not an OT "law" that passed away - it was pre-"law" - "Abram gave him a 10th of EVERYTHING" (Gen. 14:20) The him was Melchizedek king of Salem. This was before Abram's covenant with God and before Moses brought down the 10 commandments. There is no scripture that says this has ever come to an end. I say this not be be legalistic, but to set the record straight. Jackie, many folks have started small. What can you do? 2%, 5%?...there is much grace.
---daphn8897 on 1/15/06

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I do not say this disparagingly but I believe that tithing is basically a Baptist doctrine, not a biblical doctrine. The old catholic church used to sell indulgences in order to raise money, but with the advent of Protestantism, we saw the invention of tithing as a means of extracting money from people. In any case, the love of money is the root of all evils and the ecclesiastical are as guilty as anyone else.
---lee on 1/15/06

lee. I think the Scripture in Deut. 24 should be Deut 14. No problem though. You are correct in what you say. I've noticed something else too about all the titheing in the O.t. It was always produce and animals. Can anyone find money used for thithes in the Bible? Just curious if there ever was such a thing.
---john on 1/14/06

The Bible in Deut. 24 instructs us to bring the tithe to the place to which God has chosen (Jerusalem), however if the distance is too far to travel, then the tither is to "turn it into money, and ...bestow that money for whatever your soul lusts after,..."

Since Jerusalem is rather far for most of us, we are to spend the tithe on ourselves. We then would not be robbing God but simply obeying him.
---lee on 1/13/06

Please put your trust in God. It isn't easy. Let me say this, one month a few years ago, several things happened that left me and my family without enough money to the pay the bills. We still tithed. I said a simple prayer on the way to work one morning. "God, this one is up to you, we don't have enough money to make it this month, amen." A check from the insurance company came the same day, for some mystery refund. Funny how is was exactly what we needed to pay the bills. Praise God.
---mike on 12/21/05

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Honouring God must include caring for His precious gift to you of your children. God certainly does love a cheerful giver but it is possible to give cheerfully the last penny you have AFTER feeding your children and paying all essential bills. God expects us to provide for our own and not to get into debt. Give what you can, secretly, and with a cheerful heart and I'm certain that God will be pleased.
---M.P. on 12/21/05

God wants you to honor Him and give what you have with your whole heart. Just look at the parable of the rich man that gave much but didn't give his heart/he just wanted to brag and look good to others and look at the poor woman that gave all she had to give, just a few pennies. God will honor all that you give to him. We are to be obedient with what he gives us. May he bless you with more that you may give more. May you also trust him in faith to take care of your every need.
---Eddie_Jo on 12/20/05

Luke 6:28 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that you mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
2Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

Malachi 3:6-12 God is talking to Isreal about tithes and offerings.
---Ulrika on 12/19/05

You know, I read the NT, and I find Paul begging people to give money for the poor. No where does it say to tithe, and given the quantity of space that it is given in the modern church, it should be a major NT doctrine. Paul also said he worked for himself so that he would not be a burden on anyone. Long time since I heard "Freely you have received, so freely give" preached on.
---mike6553 on 12/19/05

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Nowhere in the NT do we find a list of the ten commandments, does it mean they no longer apply?
---pkay on 12/19/05

pkay.Here's the Scripture. The last 3 verses in Lev. says that the tithe is part of the law that Moses delivered to the Israelites.Heb.7:5 acknowledges this.Heb7:12 says the priesthood has changed and so has the law. You must be familiar with all the N.T. teaching of us not being under the law and us being free from it's curse. Giving is the N.T. way. As the Lord directs you, not of compulsion but of a willing heart.
---john on 12/19/05

When I was growing up, my dad found out my mom was giving us pennies for milk money at school, out of the tithe money. He was very angry about it.I think he was wrong. If someone wants to tithe that is fine, but it is important to feed the family. 1Timothy 5:8 But if any provid not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
---Ulrika on 12/18/05

This is my opinion. I think that if one feels the need to pay tithes then do it. If one puts their trust in God and tithe the rest will fall into place. But one needs to pay with a cheerful heart, if your paying just to be paying and don't feel anything then what is the point? If one isn't paying tithes because their afraid they can't pay bills, etc they don't trust God If one pays tithes (cheerful heart), God will see to it that you have what you need when you need it and some of your wants.
---Rebecca_D on 12/18/05

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pkay; You obviously don't know that the "tithe" was for the 11 tribes to support the tribe of Levi who owned no land so could not support themselves! Nowhere in the NT are Christians told to "tithe"
---1st_cliff on 12/18/05

As a retired missionary of 33 years who's family lived on contributions, let me give you our experience.. We always tithed. We were critized for this, but we never once "missed a meal" because of it. (Sometimes it was close.") On the letter head of the receipt letters of the mission, they printed a statement I once made, "An investment with the greatest return." Even though I now work full-time instead of retiring, we still hold to that principle and we still tithe.
---WIVV on 12/18/05

pkay,Jesus never charged a tithe nor one cent for ministering- Matthew 10:8. Misguided church leaders quote O.T. Malachi to say you're robbing God if not giving a tithe. This is a grave sin very offensive to God; he equates it to "robbing the sheep and turning the Father's house of prayer into a den of thieves." This is where Jesus hit the people, and drove them out of the church. God is not so poor that he needs any money or any thing at all. Please read Hosea 9:15; Mark 11:15-17; John 2:13-16.
---Eloy on 12/18/05

well i prayed about this alot, and if i tithed right now i could not afford transport to church!
---susanna on 12/18/05

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Wow, thank you all kindly for your responses. I truly appreciate the opinions and guidance.
---Jackie on 12/18/05

Can those saying tithing is an abolished OT law back it with scripture please? To me this is a question of obedience.God says give your ten percent and here we are coming up with politically correct and convenient excuses for not doing so...come on.
---pkay on 12/18/05

Malichi 3 has a command & promise from God. The command is to pay your tithes. By doing so it entitles and commands God to open the flood gates of heaven and pour you out a blessing. With my money I make a list of what I need to pay but I always put tithes and offerings first. By doing so it becomes more organized and someway/somehow I have more than enough for me. In I Kings 17:11-14 you see example of the result of obidience & blessing. God is able to make all grace abound toward you. (II Cor. 9:8)
---Rickey on 12/18/05

Eloy is right,tithing has become a "cash cow"to the churches who say nothing about it's irrelevantcy to Christianity! "keep them cards and letters comming in!"
---1st_cliff on 12/18/05

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Tracie, Jackie has stated that she has to choose between tithing and feeding her children, so giving away some of the food (which has had to be bought with some of her money) would be exactly the same as giving away some of her money - wouldn't it? Whichever way you look at it, there will be less there for the children. Jackie, give what you can (God will bless you for this), feed your children & yourself and pay the rent. Your children are God's gift to you and He wants you to care for them.
---emg on 12/18/05

Tracie,why would anyone try to immitate the pharisees? They were stuck in the bondage of the O.T. too.Be Blessed.
---john on 12/18/05

Trust and OBEY...and leave the consequences to GOD. See if he will not throw open the flood gates with more than you can dream. I did...and I'm drinking from the saucer cause my cup runneth over!!....and that's been since I was a young adult....and a husband who abandoned me with THREE small children.
---God_IS_faithful on 12/18/05

In the Bible it shows how the Pharisees put aside 10 % of everything money/ time/ food. Why not try opening your home more, giving a proportion of your food to the homeless if you can't afford a financial tithe.
---Tracie on 12/18/05

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What is 501c3? In UK most churches are charities, and that means that the church can claim back the tax that the giver has already paid to the tax-man.
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/18/05

tithing is an abolished O.T. law.
---Eloy on 12/18/05

Feed your children! Make sure you are not wasting money on uneeded things. Give offerings when you can. Tithe your time, your resources, help people, get active in church. Give thanks to the Lord always, He will bless you in ways you don't even know about. God bless you sister.
---NVBarbara on 12/18/05

Sister, I was in the same position, I was unemployed and I coud tithe or starve. I heard all the usual give to treceive, implying if I didn't give I wouldn't receieve. Well you know, I never ran out of money, I was careful and asked how to spend it, and am now in full time training with all my finances met.
---mike6553 on 12/18/05

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Heb7:5The tithe was collected for the Levitical priesthood by commandment of the LAW.
Heb7:12.The priesthood being changed there was a necessity to change the LAW also.
The N.T. teaches us that we are stewards of 100% of what we get to use it for the kingdom of God as He lays it on our hearts not on stone. Your Home and family are by all means part of this kingdom and should have top priority.Be loosed from the bondage of the LAW.
---john on 12/18/05

Would someone explain what a 501c3 church is please? I am no idea what you are referring to here.

Moderator - Non-Profit status so people can take a tax deduction when they give.
---M.P. on 12/18/05

First of all according to Heb 7:5 Tithing is O.T. Law and from the Levitical priesthood of which we are both no longer under Heb.7:11-12. But if you still believe in tithes Read Deut 14 and tell me if your tithe goes to the storehouse first or your family. Go feed your family. It is your first ministry, not the local church.
---john on 12/18/05

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