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The Law Can't Be Changed

How could the death of Christ change the law when the need for His death proves that the law can't be changed?

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Christ's death couldn't change the law because it was under the old covenant & God won't break a covenant. Christ's death fulfilled the law. Galatians 3:13
---Rickey on 11/25/08

Every God given law to mankind was full<->filled by Christ's atoning sacrifice on Calvary's Hill. When anything is full, it's filled & v.v., no more to do! If not, we would have to be our 'personal perfect sacrifice' for those not fulfilled, Jew & Gentile!

Again if [some] laws still stand, Grace is not come.

The law of sin's still around in our mortal bodies [cp. I Cor.15:40-49]!
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 9/11/07

Exzuuch, Christ is the Law, the whole 10 laws of love of God .. a transcript of His holy character we need 2conform 2..the law your talking about are the laws of sacrifices n ordinances done away 2make way for Christ the perfect sacrifice..the only one that can save us from spiritual sin
---law on 8/10/07

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
---exzucuh on 8/2/07

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets,

If you are in Christ you are free from the Law but those not in Christ are under the Law and Judged as sinners and condemned. The law is Changed only concerning those under the New Testament.
---exzucuh on 8/2/07

Change of Priesthood is talking about Christ when He came, ordinances and animal sacrifices had to give way 4the true sacrifice that could save us from spiritual sin.
---law on 8/2/07

Change of Priesthood is talking about Christ when He came, ceremonial things as ordinances and animal sacrifices had to give way 4the true sacrifice that could save us from spiritual sin.
---law on 8/2/07

Do you believe Gods word? It is as simple as that.
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
---exzucuh on 7/27/07

Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (do what the Law requires).

18 For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled (till all be done that the Law requires).

This does not = Law has been fully completed and done away with because it is no longer needed.
---a_servant on 7/27/07

Men want the Law to no longer exist because they do not want their sins exposed.

Only the FAITHFUL do not need His Law. If you sin, you still need the Law.

But God is NOT going to rid us of His Law.

Gal 3:24 Why the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Future generations still need His Law to bring them to Christ.
---a_servant on 7/27/07

Eloy: NT Law written in blood of Christ..wht happened 2 the previous blood of animals that atoned 4sins? Didnt that make way 4Christ the perfect sacrifice of God? Exactly, the ceremony of ordinances and animal sacrifices..thats whats done away, not the Ten Com/Laws of Love of God which is a transcript of His Holy character we allll need 2conform 2 2bcome Christlike otherwise, we bcome devil like without ... no such thing as NT only today..Christ is a whole matter/The Word John 1:1 made flesh John 1:14..
---jana on 7/27/07

The law still stands for those not accepting God's way of escape. Christ finished 'Moses' Laws' still standing over unbelievers, cp Matt.5:17-20.

The Law is totally fulfilled [full<->filled], a few prophesies now.

Sin's law, not the law given to Moses holding an unbelieving world captive by the will of satan [2Tim.19-*26].

'Grace' & power entered on Pentecost, why stop at Calvary when there's so much more for believers now, Jew & gentile?

Romans 11:33-36.
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 7/23/07

Finally, there's certain laws & Feasts Jew's are commanded to keep perpetually throughout their generations, cp Leviticus 24:1-4.

Is it no wonder physical & spiritual Israel, Jew & gentile, are "... a chosen generation, a royal, priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that [we] should show forth the praises of HIM WHO HAS CALLED [US] OUT OF DARKNESS INTO HIS MARVELLOUS LIGHT ....". IPeter 2:9-10, Deut.7:6-11.
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 7/23/07

Apostle Paul writes about this in Romans 7th chapter, as he besought God for this answer which he received & wrote about in the 8th chapter.

There is a law of sin in our flesh everyone inherited from Adam & Eve Christ had to overcome from His cradle to His grave, remaining sinless just for us [Romans 8:1-*3,4-17].

Laws given by Moses to Israel provided Israel 'clemency' until Messias/Christ's atonement allowing for Grace.

Live by the Law, be judged by that same law.
---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 7/22/07

Laws given to Hebrew nations infact we human race dont need law to keep things in order I guess..if thats the case, then there shouldnt be any sin in the world???Get off your high horses and obey God's Holy laws..God is a God of order, not of nonsense as some are on this forum..You stiffnecked Israelites..your insulting Christ by your stiffneckedness and breaking His laws...Lord have mercy
---jana on 7/12/07

Jeff: did you understand why Jesus came and what had to give way before He came? Why did God give the Israelites the Mosaic Laws before Christ came? Why did they have to kill/sacrifice animals for their sins? Why did Christ die for us when the animals were already in place for our sacrificial for sin? I await for your answer..
---jana on 7/1/07

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The Bible nowhere makes any distinction when it speaks of the law as to types - ceremonial, civic, or moral.

By definition, the ten commandments are part of the Mosaic legislation and given only to the Hebrew nation.

---lee on 6/8/07

It depends on what law u r talking about..theres the Mosaic Laws also known as Ceremonial Laws given to help prepare the Israelites for the coming Christ..and the Ten Holy Laws of God also known as 10 commandments given as a manual for daily living .. and by living it, one is transformed into Christ's image 4 these 10laws are a transcript of His own image. The Mosaic Laws r made obselte as it had no more significance since Christ bcame the Sac/Lamb of God. M/Laws are laws of ordinances n sacrifices
---jana on 6/8/07

The Holy Bible is divided into 2 separate Laws, Old and New: The O.T. is the Levitical-Mosaic Law of B.C., and the N.T. is the Judaic-Messianic Law of A.D. Scripture reads, The Old Testament Law is abolished, disannulled, done away with: and now we have the New Testament Law of the ministry of life, written in the blood of Jesus Christ, which is currently in force; and this New Testament Law takes the place of the ministry of death, written in stone, which is the Old Testament Law.
---Eloy on 5/23/07

It depends upon what type of laws involved.

While moral law reflects the very nature of God Himself and never changes, laws involving temple worship, sacrifice, civic laws, etc. are & have been changed or considered obsolete.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

God deals with His creation in terms of covenants & the New Covenant does not provide for some laws found in the Old Covenant, declared obsolete (Hebr. 8:13).
---lee on 5/22/07

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part 8: "Now if the Priesthood be changed, then of necessity the Law also change be made. For there is truly a disannulling of the Commandment going before, for the weakness and unprofitableness of it. For the Law perfected nothing, but a bringing in of a better hope by which we draw near to God. By so much security, Jesus indeed parent of a better Testament. Then said he, Here I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second." Hebrews 7:12, 18,19,22; 10:9
---Eloy on 5/21/07

part 7: "Christ is become of no effect to you, whosoever of you are justified by the Law; you all are fallen from grace. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. But if you all be led by the Spirit, you all are not under the Law; having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the Law of Commandments in decrees; for to make in himself of the two, one new man, making peace." Galatians 5:4,9,18; Ephesians 2:15.
---Eloy on 5/21/07

part 6: "Nevertheless what says the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman will not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brothers, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." Galatians 4:30,31; 5:1.
---Eloy on 5/21/07

part 5: "Tell me, you all that desire to be under the Law, do you all not hear the Law? For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two Covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which genders to bondage, which is Agar. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Galatians 4:21,22,24,26.
---Eloy on 5/21/07

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part 4: "But now, after that you all have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn you all again to the weak and beggarly elements, to where you all desire again to be in bondage? You all observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, else I have bestowed upon you labor in vain." Galatians 4:9-11.
---Eloy on 5/21/07

part 3: "I do not set aside the grace of God: for if through Law righteousness, then Christ died in vain. Therefore the Law was our tutor till Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forward his Son, made of a woman, made under the Law, to redeem them that were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." Galatians 2:21; 3:24,25; 4:4,5.
---Eloy on 5/21/07

part 2: "And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished. But their minds were blinded: for up to this day remains the same vail untaken away in the reading of the Old Testament; which is done away in Christ. But even up to this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it will turn to the Lord, the vail will be taken away." II Corinthians 3:13-16.
---Eloy on 5/22/07

part 1: "But if the ministry of death, written engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly see the face of Moses for the glory of his look; which was to be done away: How will not the ministry of the Spirit be rather glorious?" II Corinthians 3:7,8.
---Eloy on 5/22/07

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A current false doctrine today is the scripture distorter called, the Galatian Sin, called, "leaven binding", wrongly professing that the N.T. Laws are insufficient, and the Old Testament Laws are still required.
---Eloy on 5/22/07

It was not changed, it was perfected.
---lorra8574 on 5/21/07

Ben - That is a wonderful way to put it.
---Helen_5378 on 5/21/07

After reading this verse,"Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" I ask you, were the ceremonial laws hand written or were the 10 Commandments hand written? According to the bible God's finger wrote in stone? You decide--------
---Mima on 5/21/07

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Pierre: the law mentioned at the cross are the Ceremonial Laws of Sacrifices n Ordinances, that prepared the people of Israel 4the coming Christ. The Mosaic Laws. The Ten Commandments are totally different to Mosaic 4 they are a manual 4our daily living..a transcript to Christ's Holy character..
---jana on 5/21/07

Jesus made it clear the law hasn't changed.
Paul made it clear that Christians are under no obligation to obey the whole law, in fact, going one step further and trying to be justified by the law brings us to 'falling away from grace' - (Gal 5:1-6)
To those who say the law hasn't changed - I agree - but because Christ has died the law, including male circumcision and including the 10C, has fulfilled its purpose (Gal 3:25) and we're called simply to 'live by the spirit'. (Gal5:13-16)
---Ben on 5/8/07

Lee: How can the Law be changed when the Law is Christ Himself? Have u thought about that boy? Read John 1:1 and John sure as an educated man u will understand God's Word in simple english..The Bible never said the 10Cs were done away..How could it be when Christ is the 10C u still refute God's Word???
---jana on 5/8/07

Good point. Amen, WIVV! Fulfil means to fill full. If "fulfil" means destroy or do away with, then Mt 5:17 would self-contradict:

Think not that I am come to destroy the Law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to [destroy].
---Geoff on 5/7/07

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It wasn't changed, (The Law). It was fulfiled by Christ - not replaced or changed.
(See Matthew 5:17)
---WIVV on 5/7/07

jana - "the death of Christ didnt change the 10 commandments..."
What was changed was the covenant under which the ten commandments were given. The law was replaced by God's grace and the law of the Spirit that indwells the Christian.
For those in Christ we see that "it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure". Phil. 2:17
---lee on 9/27/06

Lee..the death of Christ didnt change the 10 commandments but it ended the Sacrificial System/ceremonial laws because He/Christ became the sacrificial Lamb of God...we therefore dont need to sacrifice animals any longer..dont argue with God...He wrote it so do as He tells you to or else why bother pretending to be His follower...the Old and New Testament gotta go together for you cant separate them..John 1:1,2,3..The Word was with God, and the WORD IS GOD...Go by His word, not by man
---jana on 8/29/06

so lets put the rhyme in its correct historical understanding. Yankee Doodle went to town riding on a pony, stuck a feather in his hat and called it a stylish form of dress. Changes the whole outlook now doesn't it. My point.......there is a WHOLE LOT of Macaroni in the New Testament.
---Jeff on 8/27/06

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of the farmers. When the Brits arrived they saw them stylishly dressed and at least for the time being didn't look down on them. Now what does this have to do with the topic at hand? Macaroni meant something different back than it does now, (cont'd)
---Jeff on 8/27/06

Well when this little rhyme came about, macaroni was not pasta but a stlish form of dress. To stick feathers in hats was known then as macaroni. The british would look down on the colonists because they did not have thses feathers in their hats, thus the story goes that one day as the Brits approached, a young girl ran and got ome chicken feathers and stuck them in the hats
---Jeff on 8/27/06

Sacrifices &offerings are once again brought to the temple and the feasts and festivals are observed.
Kind of seems double minded of G-d to do away with something only to bring it back again. I offer you this, Yankee Doodle went to town riding on a pony, stuck a feather in his hat and called it macaroni. What does sticking a feather in your hat have to possible do with pasta?
---Jeff on 8/27/06

The problem is that christians elevate the words of Paul over the master and even G-d himself. This is very dangerous ground, because now the words of G-d do not have their authority, and the apostolic writings now supercede and are better than the Eternal Torah of G-d. If you read the prophecies concerning th reign and rule of messiah you'll see that not only does messiah rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, but he reinstates the priesthood through the sons of Zadok, (cont'd)
---Jeff on 8/27/06

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Look at verse 18. Now go look outside, Did you see it? Heaven and earth are still here thus they testify to the fact that not one smallest letter or ink stroke of the Torah has passed away. This is how most christians interpret the master's words" I did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;I did not come to abolish but to abolish. HUH???!!! hypocritical nonsense. (cont'd)
---Jeff on 8/27/06

If ceremonial is done away with then you make G-d and Yeshua a liar(G-d forbid) Yeshua said in Matthew 5:17 through20, that he did not come to abolish(do away with or annul) the TORAH(ALL of IT) or The Prophets. He came to fulfill. Are you married? If you are then doesn't your spouse fulfill that which is missing in you? Once you were married did you say thanks honey but I'm done with you now? When something is fulfilled it could be simply put as Filled Full, not done away with .(cont'd)
---Jeff on 8/27/06

As long as your not offering sacrifices in your backyard on a homemade altar you are actually keeping that part of the Torah, plus you're not a cohen or levite so you couldn't do it anyways. Paul continued to give sacrifices well after accepting Yeshua (Acts 21:26,Acts 24:14,17-18,Acts 28:17) because G-d does not change. The Torah teaches about Messiah's atonement,ALL of the Torah. Precept upon precept, line upon line. If you take out even one it will not stand. (cont'd)
---Jeff on 8/27/06

Jana, you just contradicted yourself. If the Torah cannot be done away with then why do you say the ceremonial is done away with. Can you give any reference in the Tanach(OT)that the Torah of G-d was divided into civil,moral or ceremonial. This is a christian misunderstanding that comes through ignorance and not studying. The Law is a complete covenant. The rules for sacrifice are that they are to be done on the altar in Jerusalem, so no temple, no obligation.(cont'd)
---Jeff on 8/27/06

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Lee, you need to understand, that you cannot do away with the Old Testament...and go by the New only..REMEMBER, Jesus Christ is the Law ... you cant have His upper body without the also need to read, study and understand the difference between the Moral Laws of God and the Ceremonial Laws that was done away at the cross...the reason why Jesus had to come to die fo rus..Now He is the Sacrificial Lamb...or are you just anti Adventism
---jana on 8/27/06

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. we are not under the livitical priesthood but the melchisidec priesthood of the Spirit. the law of the Spirit of Grace. those under the law have a veil over their hearts they cannot receive Grace or see the cross.exzucuh
---exzucuh on 3/30/06

Acts 15:10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

Even the apostles agreed that it was impossible to obey all the laws required of them, so permitted the Gentiles to be relieved of the Mosaic laws such as circumcision and I suspect Sabbath keeping as well.
---lee on 2/18/06

The law of sin and death bore witness to the one that would fulfil it. It was carnal ordinances and of works. The change was the law of the spirit of life in Christ which went from works to faith. The works we do are to be combined with our faith. The grace is because we cannot fulfil the old law. It went from a temporal to an eternal priesthood. Space here does not give room for an in-depth answer. Katherine.
---Katherine on 2/18/06

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The law requiring circumcision clearly has changed (Acts 15). Also the dietary laws are no longer required (Mk 7:19). And laws governing a formal priesthood have also changed (Heb 7:12). Those that wish to believe the death of Christ did not change anything need to learn to differentiate between the old and new covenants.
---lee on 12/30/05

JOHN: I believe you would benefit from rereading the chart comparing the CL and the ML and your study should help you to see that while the CL was annulled, the ML was not. P.
---Pierre on 12/30/05

the law of the death sentence to anyone who has sinned had not change, that's why Jesus was condemned to death, he took our sins upon himself and the wages of sin is death. That's the law, that has not changed, for if you live in sin you die. Now the O.T. Levitical-Mosaic Laws in B.C. have definately changed to the N.T. Judaic-Messianic Laws in A.D. We are to only follow Christ's Laws now, and not Moses' Laws, Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law in himself. Please read Matthew 5:20-48.
---Eloy on 12/30/05

Abolished? Yes. llCor.3:13-14"...the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is to be abolished but their eyes were blinded for until this day the same veil untaken away in the reading of the O.T. which veil is done away in christ.But even until this day when Moses is read the veil is upon thier heart.
---john on 12/30/05

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Heb7:18" For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitablness thereof." Doesn't this say it was annulled? I believe it was fulfilled but also annulled.
---john on 12/30/05

Pierre the Law did not change.
The Law required death for sin and that is what it received.
When I accepted God's Grace it allowed me to be crucified in Christ, to die yet live. He took my sin and died for it. My debt to the Law was paid in full.
The Law still requires death for sin.
We either accept the sacrifice payment of Christ or pay the debt ourselves.
---Elder on 12/30/05

Hebrews 7:12 Says that because the priesthood has changed so has the law. So, it had to change.There is the Old covenant and the New covenant. In the new one we are redeemed from the curse of the law. God didn't change His mind, this was His plan right from the beginning.Read Hebrews 7. It's just one of many chapters that explain it quite well.
---john on 12/30/05

The Bible teaches that Christ came to complete the law and not to change it or nullify it. The death of Christ marks a new era in the Christian life-that of being saved by grace. In the OT,anyone who goes against the law is punishable. Now,anyone who believes in Christ has no punishment because Christ took it all for us. So eventhough we r no better than our ancestors,we escaped judgement because Christ died on our behalf.
---Ambily on 12/30/05

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