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Thinking of women - what do each of you think is referred to by the phrase 'must not have authority over a man'? What causes some women to step over the line?

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men are not superior to woman. A woman is not inferior to a man. People needs to read there precious bible and understand that what is in it is up for interpretations. none of it is fact. on a side note - men and women are different, but not below or superior to eacthoer
---amber on 6/15/08

What are the fruits of feminism, James? Broken marriages, heartbroken children on drugs, lots of money for drugs and heavy rock music that sears the conscience, mothers missing in action, fathers neglected. Leaders who go home to make their own meals and iron their own shirts. God's order has been turned upside down. We don't even have those workers who used to be gainfully employed in service and had at least a purpose in life, unlike the unemployed taking handouts from the government.
---frances008 on 6/14/08

James, excellent point! There are many instances in the bible where women are put down. Jesus never did such a thing. Thanks for speaking up.

Unity = Peace
---deb on 6/14/08

Satan doesn't want unity he wants supremacy so do men/women preachers that refuse that God ordained men ONLY... Not addressing helpers/ servants/ prophetess's which is a different subject... to Teach his Church. Women can teach women and children ONLY.

So why the division USURP AUTHORITY of course(confusion) of roles FEMINISM in the house of God. Hep us Lord!
---Carla5754 on 6/14/08

Has anyone read all of the replies for this blog? Wow, talk about not having any unity! This ONE problem (what Paul told Tim. about women) is why muslims and most of the world call a women chattel-(property). I find this rather sad. Jesus never said anything like this. Why can't we (men and women) all be the same with God?
---james on 6/14/08

Eloy, you are right. I agree. Everyone sins and the punishment for personal sin is death. But, Adam's sin is the start of Original Sin. That's why we call it Original. From the Beginning. Adam's sin of not taking responsability and partaking of the fruit. Adam was in charge.
Jesus had to be a Man to undo Adam's Original sin. Now, that Jesus has accomplished our Salvation, we(you and I) must accept Jesus for our original sin and personal sin. Jesus' death paid for our own death of separation for God.
---Nicole on 6/13/08

Big Mikefr8,Bible doesn't give all men the headship over all women,only husbands over wives. Ephesians 5:25 Husbands love your wives as Christ loved the Church and gave himself for it. Ephesians 5:29 For no man yet hated his own flesh,but nourisheth it and cherisheth it even as the Lord does the church. Headship isn't to coercise,bully,or dominate with idea man is supreme,but to treat as God's gift,respecing her feelings with love . What woman would mind a husband like that having headship?
---Darlene_1 on 6/13/08

.nicole, sin is each soul's responsibility to correct, and if you do not mend your ways then you will get your just deserts, precisely where all sin must go, that is, away from my holiness and into the lake of fire.
---Eloy on 6/13/08

.emcee, Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but I think that catholic blogs would welcome your catholicism.
---Eloy on 6/13/08

Living in the flesh will cause a woman to want to have too much authority and it will be disastrous for the body of Christ. They are men pleasers but men only have to please God. Some men have failed in this and now women are stepping up to contend for the faith because that is all that is left. If we do not do so, the few men who remain faithful, will have no supporters.
---frances008 on 6/12/08

What are you arguing about? Don't you know that we are all equal in the eye of God? It is insulting to read your explanation of why Jesus chose men to be His apostles. Jesus chose men because men believed themselves to be superior, and ran the world.

Done a great job of it.
---deb on 6/12/08

I love my wife for this one because she agrees reluctantly. If you say that you love the Lord, and follow His decrees, and dont admit that that men were created to be the authority then you are a liar. The Bible is very clear, in all instances, that the man is the ultimate authority. If modern women would simply accept the role designed for them, they would enjoy far more blessings than they think they will enjoy by crossing the line.
---big_mike_fr8 on 6/12/08

No Eloy You are not mad but seething especially when proved wrong then you use your Famous Cliche.You never accept responsibility but are like a typical Adam.shift the blame on someone else.or walk away.
---Emcee on 6/12/08

Please don't continue in ignorance and throw in dis jointed Scriptures to claim that God sees women as men or men would be having babies(PERIOD) It is not strange that these women will run you down and curse you with the word of God Claiming to be Christlike a wise person would love you for enlightening them since you can without doubt provide scripture black and white plain English to show What God has said. Most believe they are above the word and that's it, It is pointless arguing.
---Carla5754 on 6/12/08

Mat 23:12

And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased, and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
---Carla5754 on 6/12/08

.nicole, You have no discernment, for I am not mad, but I am glad in the truth. And you will say and believe whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/12/08

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I am a woman and any woman that profess to be called of God to teach the household of faith is shipwrecking the gospel.

Tts 2:4

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
---Carla5754 on 6/12/08


The Church is falling apart because of this error, Men have become Lazy and disobedient also in marriage and abandoned their position to carry the cross of Christ and Love their wives the same as Christ loved his Church giving his body for it. Men the is your responsibility, Women your responsibility is to teach women according to the scriptures anything else is self/men pleasing not God..
---Carla5754 on 6/12/08

"dissing it will not change the truth. You can wrongly say, the first woman was innocent, God' Word is a lie, Eloy lies," -Eloy,

Who called you a liar? And why are U so mad?
No one called Eve innocent. We are stating that Adam was commanded to protect Eve and the Garden. Adam was silenced when satan tricked Eve.
Nevertheless, Read Genesis again. Gen3:9 THE LORD GOD THEN CALLED TO THE MAN AND ASKED HIM.
---Nicole on 6/12/08

And there is good reason why God did not choose a woman for any of the 12 Apostles to lead.
---Eloy on 6/11/08

Yes, the reason is because it isn't a woman problem to correct Adam. Men have to step up to the plate. Take responsibility.

It was Mary who corrected Eve.

A fallen angel questioned Eve.
An Archangel questioned Mary.
Eve disobeyed
Mary obeyed.
---Nicole on 6/12/08

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.darlene, My words are a Rock of offense only to the enemies of the cross, but my words are a Precious corner-stone to all the redeemed.
---Eloy on 6/12/08

Eloy they always say the best defense is an offense and that is your practice. I didn't take or add anything,I used the Bible verses themselves if you need to ignore them to make your Theology work that is between you and God. I will not belabor the subject with you any longer not because you are right,you aren't,but because I will not argue the Word of God and thats what this is starting to be. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 6/11/08

About Genesiscurse. Discrepancy in one? God cursed snake,crawl on belly,about body. God cursed ground for Adams sake,he'd have sorrow,thorns & thistles,eat herbs,sweat of face eat bread,all physical effects. Eve mutiplied sorrow bringing forth children, & in conception,desire be to husband,all body effects. Now comes odd translation desire to husband and he have power over Eve,one sentence,what proves it changes to position of authority,not physical? Shouldn't power be over her desire?
---Darlene_1 on 6/11/08

.darlene, you cannot add nor take away from God's Word. Adam was made first, Commanded to obey, then his wife was made second, also Commanded to obey. Then the woman disobeyed, and instead of repenting she went and gave her disobedience also to her husband. And there is good reason why God did not choose a woman for any of the 12 Apostles to lead.
---Eloy on 6/11/08

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Continued Bible,Luke 12:48 But he that knew not,but did commited things worthy of stripes,shall be beaten with few stripes:For unto whomsoever much is given,of him shall much be required:and to whom men have commited much,of him they will ask the more. Eve sinned first but Adam was made Genesis 2:15 in garden to dress it and keep it. He was in charge and God commanded him not to eat of the tree so he was responsible to keep and protect that tree too.
---Darlene_1 on 6/10/08

I think Adam and Eve would have died that very day if probation had not already been purchased by the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. I think they were able to live by the power of Christ's future sacrifice.
Also, that Adam and Eve were somewhat trying to pass the blame in their answers to God in the garden is a point of theology agreed upon by most of Christendom (not that that makes it right), and I tend to agree with it.
---Todd1 on 6/10/08

Eloy no one said Eve was without sin,or didn't eat first and told Adam ,but I know the commandments of God and He never spoke to me giving them. It can't be both ways either Adam was a type of Christ,Bible says Romans 5:14,or only Eve responsible and then she would be the one who was a type of Christ making a woman the main character and the leader against the Bible.1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die,even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Romans5:14 death reigned from Adam to Moses,not Eve to Moses.
---Darlene_1 on 6/10/08

.darlene, Both testaments say that the woman introduced sin to Adam, and not innocent Adam to the woman. "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I Timothy 2:14. lit.Hb: "And the woman saw that it a good tree to eat of and a desire to the eyes and a desirous tree for to make one wise, and took of the fruit from it and ate, then catered likewise to her man nearby, from which he ate." Genesis 3:6.
---Eloy on 6/10/08

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.nicole, God does not disagree with me, he Commands me to speak his very words, and only those in sin disagree with me and God's Word of absolute truth which I speak.
---Eloy on 6/10/08

nicole and darlene, and others whom corrupt God's Word, you can dis me and God's Word the whole way up to your destruction, but for all of your dissing it will not change the truth. You can wrongly say, the first woman was innocent, God' Word is a lie, Eloy lies, etc. etc. etc. But it will all be in vain, for when it is all said and done, the truth reigns supreme, always has, always does, and always will. You can choose to abide by it and be blessed, or else dis it and be condemned.
---Eloy on 6/10/08

Eloy said, "BOTH WERE COMMANDED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE TREE." (Whoa! Can ya her me now?)
This is an example of how crocked Eloy thinks.
Neither Adam or Eve were told to stay away from the tree. Actually they were to tend, protect and take care of it.
Eve believed the lie not to touch it. I guess Eloy does also.
Read Gen 2:8-17 then the lie that Eve believed in Gen 3:3.
Some musta graduated the National Unity Theological School. Right across the top of their diploma it says NUTS.
---Elder on 6/10/08

.darlene, you still speak falsehood, all the word must be taken to profess truth: the woman said to the serpent: "But of the fruit from the tree, that in the middle of the garden, said God, see that you all eat not, and see that you all touch it not, else you all die." Genesis 3:3. Thus, by the woman's very own words she clearly admits that she was Commanded by God to likewise stay away from the tree, as well as her husband was Commanded to stay away from the tree.
---Eloy on 6/10/08

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Eloy you read the verses I gave which plainly show Eve wasn't there when God commanded Adam and yet you continue to deny the truth of them. You instead try to manipulate verses to make them mean what you want them to. You also try to make out I am doomed for believing the very Word of God and call me a liar. I warn you Matt 7:1 & 2 judge not that you be not judged. With what judgement you judge you will be judged. No one finds truth hiding from it. No one can see the light with their eyes closed.
---Darlene_1 on 6/10/08

Darlene1, thankyou! I am glad someone else see this. Gen.2:16 & 17 show us that God told this to Adam. "Day" here is Strongs #3117. This is a 24 hour day. "die" here is Strongs #4191 meaning to be executed (not spiritual death). Neither Adam nor Eve were executed on the day they ate from this tree. Neither did they start dying. That happend when taken away from the tree of life. Adam was created mortal (show me I am wrong).
---james on 6/10/08

"answers to God were exactly 100% truth and not any putting off of responsibility.." Eloy

God disagrees with you. Since Adam's only answer to Him was blaming the woman, He tells Adam his punishment anyway.
Adam even blames God = "The woman YOU put here with me-.."

Darlene1 is correct when she said "Adam's sin is focus, not Eve's."

Jesus the New Adam took all the Responsibility. Yours and Mine.
---Nicole on 6/9/08

.darlene, Read- Genesis 1:26,27. God created BOTH the man AND the woamn: he made man in his own shape, then he took one of man's ribs and built a woman for the man, and BOTH WERE COMMANDED TO STAY AWAY FROM THE TREE. But you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/9/08

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.darlene, you speak falsehood because there is no light in you, for the woman knew exactly what she was doing, she willfully and freely disobeyed. period. Then she willfully and freely went and talked her husband into also joining her in her own disobedience against God. period. No matter what lies you speak, recorded history cannot be changed. The woman sinned, then went and had her husband likewise sin with her.
---Eloy on 6/9/08

Eloy,Genesis2:15 God took Adam,put him in Eden to keep it and dress it. Gen2:16 and the Lord God commanded the man saying,of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:But of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil thou shalt not eat of it,for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.Verses 18-21 God created the animals,no Eve,in verse 22-made He woman and brought her-Eve to man. Romans 5:14-Adams transgression,who is the figure of Him that was to come. Adam's sin is focus,not Eve's.
---Darlene_1 on 6/9/08

I don't think it's about just women in general All have sinned. When a man does not behave according to the word there will be rebellion within his household/Church. Men need to recognise their position and step up to the line both physically and spiritually, the Church is in the mess Paul was trying to avoid until we all recognise our individual responsibility we're heading for the big falling away. It was weak/lazy men that gave way to women they just obliged.
---Carla5754 on 6/9/08

James Genesis 3:13 Eve said the serpent beguiled her,beguiled means deceived. Genesis 3:4 & 5 is where the serpent told Eve she wouldn't die if she ate,she had no concept of Spiritual death and the death of her relationship with God which would die. In Verse 3,3 She states God hath said,she would die if she ate. Thats how the serpent deceived Eve. You're right God didn't tell Eve not to eat.
---Darlene_1 on 6/9/08

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James maybe I'm misunderstanding you but God did tell Adam & Eve not to eat from one tree, that of the knowledge of Good and evil-or you will surely die-Genesis 2:16,17. Eve was tempted to eat from this tree saying God warned they would die if they did.

The meaning of the Hebrew is that if they ate from it they would begin to die, as they did.

In ch 3 it is confirmed they ate from the forbidden tree.

Paul didn't lie!
---Warwick on 6/9/08

.james, YES, BOTH DIED THE VERY DAY THEY DISSED GOD and ate of the tree, for 1 day to God in heaven (in paradise) is equal to 1,000 years upon the earth to man, and Adam died at 930 years of age, which is less than 1 day to God, and thus even as God has said Adam and his wife died the death.
---Eloy on 6/9/08

.nicole, God questioned Adam because he was his own creation made in his own shape and had an intimacy not shared by other creatures, and his answers to God were exactly 100% truth and not any putting off of responsibility as you wrongly perceive. His wife gave him the fruit from the tree and encouraged him to eat. period. She knew they were the only two humans in the world, and that her husband loved her and would do anything for her, and so she talked him into the worst thing any one could ever do.
---Eloy on 6/9/08

James, you are right. God did not tell Eve, but He told Adam who was in charge. Thats why the RCC states that Jesus had to be man to undo Adam's sin of disobedience.
The serpent did trick Eve, because he told her she would not die.
We are dying everyday. We were made like the angels without the capability of dying the first death. Who knows how long they were in the Garden? All we know is that the clock started ticking when they both ate from the tree. 2nd death only means the separation from God.
---Nicole on 6/9/08

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Eloy and Darlene, Can you please tell me what I am missing? Show me anywhere in Genesis where the serpent deceived anyone? Did Eve or Adam die on the day they ate from the tree? NO! (And they didn't die the 2nd death either) Did not they have their eyes opened to know good from evil? Well? Clearly Paul lied in 1st Tim.2:14. Also show me anywhere, where God told Eve not to eat from this tree? Adam may have told her, but God didn't. Sorry, but I guess I am a 'nit picker'.
---james on 6/7/08

.darlene, you err very greatly if you wrongly think that the sin was Adam's, or else the woman was innocent, or else the woman sinned out of ignorance, or else the woman was not Commanded by God to obey him. Both testaments detail exactly how the sin was introduced and it was not Adam's doing, no not at all. The woman disobeyed both God and her husband, then she went and talked the only other human in the world, her beloved husband, into disobedience against God as she her self has sinned.
---Eloy on 6/7/08

.darlene, it is old to witness people publicly and clearly posting falsehood, and then they publicly and clearly post more falsehood by wrongly saying that that falsehood which they posted is truth. How unfortunate it is for those in denial of their own published falsehoods, even to the point of vainly justifying their untruth with more nonscripture.
---Eloy on 6/7/08

.darlene, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I Timothy 2:14. lit.Hb: "And the woman saw that it a good tree to eat of and a desire to the eyes and a desirous tree for to make one wise, and took of the fruit from it and ate, then catered likewise to her man nearby, from which he ate." Genesis 3:6.
---Eloy on 6/7/08

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.darlene, the woman was Commanded by God not to eat of the forbidden tree as well as Adam. When God Commanded the man to obey, the wife also was commanded to obey God: She proved that she was under God's Command to obey by her very own words of confession to the serpent. In Genesis 3:3, the woman said to the serpent: "But of the fruit from the tree,
that in the middle of the garden, said God, see that you all eat not, and see that you all touch it not, else you all die."
---Eloy on 6/7/08

.darlene, Adam was far enough away to not see his wife disobeying their Maker, it was only afterwards, after her yielding to the serpent and touching the tree and taking from it and eating of it, then when sin entered into her she did not repent from her disobedience, but likewise she went on and gave also of her sin to her husband.
---Eloy on 6/7/08

.darlene, both were commanded not to eat from the tree, and the woman knew this. "For Adam was first formed, then Viva. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I Timothy 2:13,14.
---Eloy on 6/7/08

.darlene, from lit.Gk: "Because of this, as through one human that sin into the world entered, and through which sin the death, and so on all humans the death passed, since which all failed." Romans 5:12
---Eloy on 6/7/08

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darlene, the Bible commonly refers to "woman" as "man", meaning "mankind" showing the difference between God the Creator and man the created (that is, ALL flesh), so man in scripture many times means "human" or both genders, and not only the male. The Bible is very clear: Woman sinned 1st, then refused to repent but secondly talked her husband into sinning with her against God, and thereby the whole human race (woman, man and children) are fallen into sin
---Eloy on 6/7/08

.darlene, Scripture says, "Wives, submit yourselves up to your own husbands, as up to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the savior of the body. Therefore as the church is subject up to Christ, so the wives to their own husbands in every thing." Ephesians 5:22-24.
---Eloy on 6/7/08

Duane, I will attempt to put this nice: honestly, the way you blame Eve for everything is not nice--or right, especially when you consider Adam was zero help! And you say that women are "way too emotional", heck, if I was married to you, I would have flat out left you by now. Sorry--I am trying to put this as nice as I can but that's as good as I can get. You are a chauvenist, Duane, and that is not cool or holy.
---Mary on 6/6/08


Adam sin was listening to Eve.
God put him as protector and he let satan trick Eve.
Have you notice that God is only questioning Adam about the eaten fruit? Adam puts off his reponsibility to Eve and Eve in turns blames the serpent.

Jesus takes all the Reponsibility as Protector.

I think it isn't enough for Adam not to have eaten the fruit himself to remain saved. He had to have stopped Eve from taking the fruit herself as his duty.
---Nicole on 6/6/08

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Eloy yes I speak according to the Bible but you just don't want to hear the truth. Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned over them from Adam to Moses,even over them who had not sinned after the similitude of Adams transgression,-. Verse proves Adam transgressed. Eve was deceived but Adam disobeyed God directly,God told him not to eat,put him in charge of Eden and he followed the flesh/Eve not God. Genesis 3:17-God to Adam,hast eaten of the tree,of which I commanded thee,saying,thou shalt not eat of it:
---Darlene_1 on 6/6/08

Thank you Eloy for your great comments. I always know what you will say. It is your habit. The other is, "the fruit of the tree" and also, "returning to the vomit" Why didn't you say, Oh Mark, you have caught me in the act of twisting the word. that would have been a more honest answer. I cannot wait for your other answers.
---Mark_V. on 6/5/08

.markv, you bear false witness because there is no light in you, and you will believe and say whatever you desire.
---Eloy on 6/4/08

.darlene, you do not speak according to the Holy Scriptures.
---Eloy on 6/4/08

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.darlene1, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I Timothy 2:14. lit.Hb: "And the woman saw that it a good tree to eat of and a desire to the eyes and a desirous tree for to make one wise, and took of the fruit from it and ate, then catered likewise to her man nearby, from which he ate." Genesis 3:6.
---Eloy on 6/4/08

God seen 1st hand how Eve(WOman) single handedly Destroyed all that he had Made,
By Listening to Serpent.
Adam Brought Sin unto Man BY Listening to Eve.
I've wondered what it would have been like IF He had'nt of Listened to Her.
Women are way to Emotional, I've lived W/3 of them for years, Wife & 2 Daughters. he he he
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/2/08

Eloy you were quick in answering with Romans 5:12, but you don't believe that passage is true. In your theory you believe there is some who are born righteous. And now in order to answer you say there is none who have not sinned. I hope you use that passages to believe, there is no one righteous without the righteousness of Christ, for all men sinned, with the exception of Christ in His humanity.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/08

Eloy,its just the vessel,the container-body, which is weak,not the mind or inner woman. Husband was given power over woman/wife,headship,but to love the wife as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself for it. Husband and wife are to submit to one another Ephesians 5:21. That doesn't mean a woman can't be active in serving God because no other man has power over her. Man has corrupted that submission verse to serve their own purposes. Spiritually an anointed woman is as strong as an anointed man.
---Darlene_1 on 6/2/08

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james, I haven't heard of that or studied it, but I'd be glad to hear from anyone who has. :-)
---Todd1 on 5/31/08

It means what it says. Insolence, contempt and disrespect to your head is a sin. The weaker vessel woman yields to temptation, whereas the stronger vessel man is more resolute and warrior-like.
---Eloy on 5/31/08

"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." I Timothy 2:14. lit.Hb: "And the woman saw that it a good tree to eat of and a desire to the eyes and a desirous tree for to make one wise, and took of the fruit from it and ate, then catered likewise to her man nearby, from which he ate." Genesis 3:6.
---Eloy on 5/31/08

"Because of this, as through one human that sin into the world entered, and through which sin the death, and so on all humans the death passed, since which all failed." Romans 5:12. Opened: Since the 1st woman sinned and incurred death, her offspring that she produces also has her sin.
---Eloy on 5/31/08

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Man was made the head and leader of the woman. And it should be lesson enough for all, that since the first woman's wrongful leading the whole human race has fallen into sin.
---Eloy on 5/31/08

the problem is, God is not leading any woman to go against his established order, women whom want to go against the written instructions of God's word are not being led by the word but instead by their own desires. Therefore if a woman wants to do her own will instead of God's, she should leave the faith because there are enough of people maligning God's name and hypocritically professing they are Christian when they have no obedience to the Word.
---Eloy on 5/31/08

todd1, Are you sure? I have been reading some books on this and it appears that the New Testament was the work of Constitine in an attempt to unite all of the religions. I would like some input from people who have studied this. I think it would be one of the most serious issues there is, IF God had not inspired things written in the NT. Are we just to shut our eyes to all of this?
---james on 5/30/08

james, I'd be careful about saying that portions of the Bible aren't inspired. Pretty soon we rip out whole chapters based on what we agree with, or can make sense of.
God has the power to preserve His word put the Bible together exactly as He wants it. It's all God's thoughts put in the writer's words...except the 10 commandments which God wrote Himself.
I'd take this verse as it's written, God created a hierarchy, with the man being the head of the household, the priest of the family. :-)
---Todd1 on 5/28/08

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Maybe Paul's words in 1Tim about women did not come from God, but from Paul himself? Look at 1Tim.2:9 where Paul said "I want". Doesn't this mean the words were his and not inspired? If so, what other things did Paul write that may not have been inspired by God? And didn't God create both Adam and Eve at the same time, but only seperated them later?
---james on 5/27/08

Laura8395, that's true but some ignore that verse to submit to one another. Some also ignore the fact only one man has headship over a woman,her husband. That is the curse over Eve in Genesis where it says "your desire shall be to your husband and he shall rule over thee",one man over one woman,not all men given authority over all women. Women,therefore, can't usurp the authority of all men for they had none to begin with and 1Tim2:12 is in the singular tense,woman & man not women and men.
---Darlene_1 on 5/27/08

What many all-too-easily forget is that the Bible says that men and women are to submit to each other, and are accountable to each other and to God.
---laura8395 on 5/13/08

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