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Disowned By Christian Family

I was disowned by my fundamentalist family. In their Church you submit without question, and secular education was considered evil. I questioned and gained an education, thus disowned. Is such 'disowning' common and acceptable to most born-again fundamentalist?

Moderator - Never heard of it. I would guess there is more to the story?

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What happens when you were always willing to forgive them, but they won't tell you why they disowned you and kept you from your grandchildren or won't even speak to you, email you, nothing? Just a terse email to say all communication would cease after a week long Christmas visit. No indication they had a problem with anything, no discussion, no nothing. Just an email after we'd left. How is this Christian in any sense? Where is the character, integrity, respect for parents, the love Christ demands of us?
---Bill_Montferret on 5/14/12

Sounds like a cult.
---Madison on 12/6/07

1 Corinthians 2:6-16

10 God has revealed these things to us through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.

11 For what man knows the things of a man, except the spirit of a man that is within him? So also, no one comprehends the things of God, except the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit of God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God.
---Francis on 3/24/07

13 Which things we also speak, not in words taught of human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual things with spiritual things.

14 But a natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
---Francis on 3/24/07

Through the Holy Spirit our minds have understanding. We cannot understand the revelation of God Incarnate, or the Word by human wisdom. God, Who breathed His Word, has given us the Holy Spirit to aid our understanding. Without it we cannot "know the mind of the Lord" or "conceive what God has prepared for those who love Him." By the Holy Spirit, we can understand the gifts given to others and us by God. By the illumination of the Holy Spirit we have the "mind of Christ."
---Francis on 3/24/07

Observer, there are gifts and then there are the spiritual gifts.
The Moderator's comments are as accurate at
"Hello", as they remain today, one year later.

Observer, there are some things we see differently, but I like your zeal for Jesus Christ.
---Francis on 3/24/07

You're an intelligent, educated man.
You are a wild man, Observer.
But most of us like that in a person.
You will figure it out.
---Francis on 3/23/07

Gee, Francis, you observed that I made a mistake!

How did you come to the conclusion that SLC_guy and Mike_M are the same.

Curious minds want to know.
---Observer on 3/22/07

Observer, you need to tweek your observations.
SLCGuy is definitely MikeM.

AlanUK; I was asked by a few here to 'back up' some statements, so with objective science I did, those 'few' bailed, no suprise. It may, at this moment appear I am more against something than for, and I don't mean to appear a mysagonist. I take Thomas Jefferson's Maxim to heart, "If ones faith cannot stand the test of FREE INQUIRY, its finished." I believe in just that, free inquiry.
---Francis on 3/21/07

Moderator - No one bailed. We are on the sidelines still prayering for your unforgiven heart toward your parents and others to be healed. Your pride has blinded you into thinking you are more intelligent than you are.
---SLCGuy on 3/15/06

Observer, there are gifts and then there are spiritual gifts.
---Francis on 3/21/07

My ex-family used jargon like 'slain in the spirit-washed in the spirit-spirit filled-baptized in the spirit-seized by the spirit. Bio-chemical reaction. The Bible was only used as a talisman, they had no firm epistomology, only verses strung together. They had a STRONG aversion to any secular education for their youth. Teens who were 'corrupted with secularism' were disowned,

Moderator - Again your pride of not forgiving your family is not helping you.
---SLCGuy on 3/15/06
---Francis on 3/21/07

A final point; my son was born at Loma Linda, a great hospital, a fine product of the 7th Day people. I am not of those religions, but they are some of the proof of what makes good religion in America, as opposed to the emptiness of secularism. Where are the pentacostal universities, colleges, and hospitals?

Moderator - Again forgive your family.
---SLCGuy on 3/15/06

Baptism of the Holy Spirit. There are gifts and then there are spiritual gifts.
---Francis on 3/21/07

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
The gift of discernment. It allows you to see the same person using several names.
Their theology or story seldom changes.
It opens up your eyes to really see.
---Francis on 3/21/07

Epistemological issues are the science of learning. In that regard, I follow Locke and Edwards.
However, it seems that you follow neither. In the 2threads on LDS, you seem to have bailed when presented with empirical evidences refuting your claims.
Your philosophy of knowledge is priori in that it is dependent upon your "testimony", and everything must conform to it.
---John_T on 3/15/06

How soon we forget. Baptism of the Holy Spirit helps you remember.
---Francis on 3/21/07

Read all the Moderators comments on Baptized with Tongue Speaking blog.

There are gifts and then there are spiritual gifts. One year later, and it's like yesterday.
---Francis on 3/21/07

Sounds like the same MikeM. I remember.
---Francis on 3/21/07

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Welcome back, SLC guy! Been about a year since your last post.

BTW SLCguy is another Mormon. He is not MikeM.
---Observer on 3/21/07

That sounds like MikeM.'s testimony up there.
How's the study time with the Mormons going?
---Francis on 3/20/07

They claimed i had 'itching ears.' I questioned basic doctrine. They said "questioning is rebellion," and that secular education, other than vocational, was all 'wisdom of man.' I admit I went overboard asking questions I knew they could not answer, but it was a total break when I enrolled at Cal State.(I am 28 now) They have not spoken since I was 19. My friends, evangicals say they were 'legalistic' what ever that means.

Moderator - That means they were religious instead of Christian.
---SLCGuy on 3/20/07

Whatever group SLCGuy is talking it's not a Foursquare Church. They are, in doctrine, a lot like AOG but a bit less legalistic, less demonstrative and give women equality. Charismatics aren't "libertarians"..majority are just conservative in politics. (based on my experience of some 30 yrs.)

BTW my father threatened to "disown" me too. ...that was because I became a born again Christian and joined a Baptist Church. He came from a very liberal denomination.
---Donna2277 on 4/9/06

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Mike, their is a thread on church state if you want to contrabute. I dont remember ever in history where there were exclusively 'christian leaders' in elected position. 'Greatness' is a reference point that depends on your frame of reference.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

History? This is why you don't want a Christian government? If I recall correctly, When our leaders were Christians is when this country really became great. I am sure you will argue that point. However, I would prefer Christian leadership, even if it means our whole country would be destroyed. It is but a mere drop in the bucket compared to eternity.
---mike on 1/16/06

The reasons given me for being disowned were specific. In high school we teens had to have a 'disaple' go with us to the library, to make sure we did not read 'anti-God' books. I would go and switch book covers. I had a thirst to learn, they called this 'itching ears.' Questioning doctrine was 'rebellion.' Many teens were thrown out as i remember.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

Mike-Do you know anything of history? When church and state mingle, what has it always produced? We never learn from history.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

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By theocracy, If you mean a Christian government, that leads this country based on Christianity, sure, that is what I want.
---mike on 1/16/06

Moderator I guess you have identified it, 'sheperding' was the core of their belief, some named mumford founded the church. In their service they would clap and holler up to 2 hours before the short sermon. Mike, you have stated you want a theocracy, is that correct?

Moderator - The sheperding doctrine is a false teaching and has been dropped by most churches today. However, it was popular in the 70's and 80's. Abuse of the doctrine caused many problems.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

They had something called 'sheperding' That is where all acts, within marrage, or otherwise were monitored by an assigned 'shepered.' Everyone had to 'bring every thought captive to the lord.'Besides the Bible, they referenced someone called "WATCHMAN NEE'-whose books were considered second only to the bible.

Moderator - The Shepherding concept is cultic.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

People tend to make "fundamentalist" sound like an ugly word. If a person tries to stick the fundamental doctrine as taught by the Bible, is that such a bad thing?
And as far as "individual freedom", the "individual freedom" of a Christian should never out weigh the teachings of Christ. We should desire to be a slave of Christ.
---mike on 1/16/06

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And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
Mat. 10:37
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
Mat. 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Mat. 10:39
He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
---Fred_S. on 1/16/06

Dear SLCguy: Of course we do not know your whole story but in general any church or institution that claims to have all the answers are to be avoided like the plague...this smacks of anti-Christ thinking. Jesus was ALL inclusive inviting everyone to His table. Churches who divide the body of believers need to "clean the dirt out of their own door". Jesus wants us to be united in His love, not separated! Just keep on keeping on; the more you learn the better! Granma Elsie
---Elsie on 1/16/06

Final point; Some of my family are traditional Baptist. Through I mostly disagree with them,hey have a strong respect for individual freedom, something called 'soul competency.' They say that chrismatic church has no respect for individual freedom and is downright dangerious.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

Its called "christian Chapel" in Walnut Ca. One thing is the women. They were overly emotional and very submissive, always talking about 'hurting in their hearts' and 'sharing their pain.' Every week at church they would cry, and effusively hug people they saw the week before. As for me, I believe a strong smart women is a more Godly "womanly women." Thats what I married.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

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agrees with Moderator, must be more to the story. They booted you for getting educated? I find nowhere in the Bible that learning is a sin, now if you begin to believe and teach things that are not true, that is a different ball game.
---mike on 1/16/06

'end-time handmaidens' can be found on the net, many many sites, as well as the 'royal rangers' The irony is the church calls everyone else a cult. They are close to that TBN channel. A well known actor (can I say/ Kirk Cammeron) and football player attended the Church. For a decade I avoided all Church, then slowly, cautiously returned to religion. The Lord is bigger than that church.

Moderator - Are you talking about Jack Hayford's church? A Foursquare Church?
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

Fundamentalist and legalists. Charasmatics are Liberatarians. What you described just sounds like a cult and it is a good ideal to just stay away from it and pray for your family!
---diane9967 on 1/16/06

Something called 'end-time-handmaidens' was a group the women joined. The older boys belonged to something called "Christian brigade" and were sent, in summer for survival/military training. The younger boys had 'Royal Rangers' an alternate to Boy Scouts. They rejected Boy Scouts as they did not want the boys being exposed to 'those in cults,' as with Boy Scouts several religions are represented.
---SLCGuy on 1/15/06

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I may stand partally corrected. I am told they call themselves 'charasmatics'-not fundamentalist. my neighbor, an evangical says they are a 'fringe group,' and that they are 'legalistic.' I admit all these sub-terms within protestantism are confusing.

Moderator - Some of the things you mentioned are Charasmatic.
---SLCGuy on 1/15/06

A certain actor, known for his roles in those 'end times' films, 'left behind' went to the Church. They claimed if you did not 'submit' to those in 'spiritual authority' you were in rebellion, and were out of grace until you asked for forgiveness, and re submitted. Women were sent to 'retreats' or 'love camps' When they returned they were emotionally beaten down, and VERY submissive. Is this normative fundamentalism?

Moderator - No.
---SLCGuy on 1/14/06

I will say that the church is in So. Cal., City of Walnut. They were very into those who were 'spiritual authority.' Their hero's were, politically Randell Terry, David Barton, and gary North. They believed in 'Dominion Theology' sometimes called 'kingdom theology'and loved TBN. My education was in humanities.

Moderator - A fundmentalist would dislike TBN and would consider it false doctrine. I believe you have mislabeled your family as they as sounding like Libertarians.
---SLCGuy on 1/14/06

Ask them to show you Bible documentaion of this concept. It could be a common error of isolating a verse of scripture and trying to use it as a "club" rather than a "flashlight." Or, it may be they are confusing cultural mores, (which may be very legitimate,) with with biblical truths.)

Yours reads like an isolated situation. All fundamentalist don't fit this pattern. It reads like they are saying, "my mind is made up - don't confuse me with facts."
---WIVV on 1/14/06

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I grew up in an Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Church (which is a very strict church) and never heard of this. I am interested in knowing what denomination this is in exactly. This sounds like something more of the Quaker or German Baptist nature? Definetly something different.
---diane9967 on 1/14/06

That sound like a cult to me. Education is very important to everyone. We have lawyers, doctors, teachers and other people who have some kind of education. Am a born again christian and am in college so run from that church and find a bible based church that preaches the word of God. Aslo ask God for wisdom so that he can guide you. "But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him." James 1:5
---becky9558 on 1/14/06

Thank God you were disowned..Your family is in a cult. Being Born-Again is a personal relationship with God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. This cult seems to want to dumb down people! The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
---Lynn on 1/14/06

I am a born again fundamental baptist and I have never heard of such in my life. Been to many many churches, but never saw what you described.
---shira on 1/14/06

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