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Moderator - Catholic doctrine is a combination of the Bible and traditions. When the Bible and traditions contradict each other, Catholics pick traditions. Therefore, Christians are pointing out false doctrines of men and showing that the scriptures are the final authority not men.

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Alan of Uk :: Guess I saw the date11/15/07-Rats foiled again by the deciever!!"Oh what a web we weave when first we practice to decieve".Do you agree?Even the appointed anointed get trapped.
---Emcee on 11/15/07

Emcee .... They have resurrected a very old blog.
We have discussed this issue amicably in other more recent blogs, and there's no point in going over it again!
---alan_of_UK on 11/15/07

Alan of Uk::In dealing with Gen3:15 Could we take just a word or a part verse to clarify NO It has to be taken as a Full Verse.1.I (God speaking to Satan)
2.The woman(Later known as Mary)
3.Enmity (defined as separation)
4.Your Offspring and Hers.(Separation)
(followers of Jesus & those opposed)
5She will crush your head You will
lie in wait for Her HEEl"(yet to happen)
---Emcee on 11/15/07

Emcee .. to clarify yuor position, can you please give here the words of Genesis 3.15 on which you rely.
---alan8869_of_UK on 11/15/07

Tristan - Everybody who has ever got saved and ever will get saved, are all saved by faith in Jesus' finished work on the Cross for sin.
---Helen_5378 on 9/13/06

It is the false teaching of the RCC that I attack. I point out the truth from God's Word. If someone is in error, how are they going to know unless somebody tells them. That includes myself -- I could be in error and not know it until somebody corrects me from God's Word. The RCC is full of lies and heresy and all of it's teachings are not God's Word, but the traditions of men which they even try to say is in God's Word and is therefore ok. Heresy is heresy.
---Helen_5378 on 9/13/06

The theif and many others including Abraham were saved that way but show me one example of someone saved that way in the bible after the great commission. (matthew 28:16-20)
---Tristan on 9/12/06

G_d attacks the rcc: Y? Because it is His enemy.
(i read the rc catksm) Every page supports mens traditions, teaches demonic doctrines, not truth.(c link)
Educate yourself? No,let Yhwh,let G_d you free.
---j on 2/12/06

Ruben.Faith alone. Please would you get back. Last words.When one comes to the story of the penitent thief on the cross, you find Jesus saying to him, "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise" (Luke 23:43). All the thief did was recognize his sinfulness and need, recognize Jesus as the sinless Savior, and call out to Him in faith, and Jesus assured him of eternal life. This thief was neither baptized nor had he received communion
---Ramon on 2/11/06

Ruben. I have not heard for you. I just want to let you know we not done with our discussion. God Bless.
---Ramon on 2/9/06

Betty it is great that you study the Bible like you do.
The RCC and all of its misguided and false teaching is not the Harlot of Revelation. I am sure it will be part of it but the RCC is not named as such.
---Elder on 2/9/06

Well the catholic church is refer to as the Harlot church in the book of Revelation and at the end they are going to pull all the other churches in that don't have the truth either they are not the true church.
---Betty on 2/9/06

Emcee."There are other things in the bible which contradict that statement You know like 1st letter of James C2V14-17 &v26JamesC3;V13-17,the appreciation for those gifts Of faith is works. Faith without works is Dead." Yes and no. You are misunderstanding what james is saying. James does not Contradict Faith only, rather it contradicts Faith+works that save you.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

Emcee. Also, notice that James actually quotes the same verse that Paul quotes in Rom. 4:3 amongst a host of verses dealing with justification by faith. James 2:23. If James was trying to teach a contradictory doctrine of faith and works than the other New Testament writers, then he would not have used Abraham as an example. Therefore, we can see that justification is by faith alone and that James was talking about false faith, not real faith when he said we are not justified by faith alone.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

Emcee. In brief, James is examining two kinds of faith: one that leads to godly works and one that does not. One is true, and the other is false. One is dead, the other alive; hence, "Faith without works is dead," (James 2:20). But, he is not contradicting the verses that say salvation/justification is by faith alone.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

Ruben. Read all my posts today and yesterday. As well as 2 days ago. Faith Saves you, not by works. This is another lie in the catholic Church that leading people towards trouble when they die. Sola-Scriptura is true, and we can only be save THROUGH JESUS CHRIST! FAITH. You need to wake up and smell the coffee!. And i have not heard from you about Romans 3:1-3.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

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Ruben.The Apostle Paul makes another important statement concerning good works:
"I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain." Galatians 2:21

In other words, if you could earn heaven through your good works, then Jesus suffered that horrible death on the cross for nothing.

But He did not die in vain. Scripture declares that Jesus gave His life because there is no other way for our sins to be forgiven:
---Ramon on 2/8/06

Ruben.The Bible teaches that we are saved by grace which is received through simple faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), and that good works are the result of a change of the heart wrought in salvation (Ephesians 2:10; 2 Corinthians 5:17) and the fruit of that new life in Christ (John 15).The Bible states that we are saved apart from works, by grace through faith, and totally apart from works (Titus 3:5; Ephesians 2:8-9; Galatians 3:10-11; Romans 3:19-24). READ ALL MY POSTS,TODAY AND FEW DAYS AGO. FAITH SAVE YOU.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

-alan8869_of_UK. Thats my point. Anyway, let me start over. Having faith means believing in Jesus Christ, and that he died on the cross for your sins and you are save. Right? or anyway you want you want to put it. The fact still remians, why do you need works to believe? Do you need to do 1 million things to believe or have faith? Does God have to prove himself to you, so that you believe? You dont need works to have Faith. Works comes after you have been save by grace through faith.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

You are right Lupe, We are saved by faith, works follow.
---Pete on 2/8/06

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Emcee. Nope. I already explain that. You misunderstanding of james is saying. Check back mx posts for like 2 days ago.
---Ramon on 2/8/06

All catholic teachings are NOT straight from the Bible, Clair! This I am sure. I was a catholic for 37 years and then I found out the truth. Get out and get into a good Bible based church. Ask God to show you HIS truth, not man's contamination of lies!
---Peter on 2/8/06

Ramon ... I did not say that works save you, nor faith plus works. I asked how you can have faith without works?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/8/06

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. When thou prayest, use not VAIN repetitions as the heathen do. Man at his best state is altogether vanity. All SCRIPTURE is given for reproof, and instruction in righteousness. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall evey matter be establisher. (not cathecism)
---Delmar on 2/8/06

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Ruben. WE ARE SAVE BY FAITH, WORKS FOLLOW. I continue on with this discussion plus Mt 25 tommorow. Which I think I already answer.
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ramon: There are other things in the bible which contradict that statement You know like 1st letter of James C2V14-17 &v26JamesC3;V13-17,the appreciation for those gifts Of faith is works. Faith without works is Dead.
---Emcee on 2/7/06

Ruben. Put your faith in Jesus, He's the only that can save you. Once you have been save through faith, that faith works through love. NOT FAITH+WORKS. FAITH!!!!!!!!!!!!
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ruben. We cannot be justified by a faith that doesn't work. But yet, neither can we be justified by faith and works.

Romans 11:6...
And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

Once you have attempt to add works to grace you have denied God's grace that is received by faith. Then how are we justified? By faith which works!
---Ramon on 2/7/06

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Ruben.Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

A gift is just that...a gift. The giver of the gift chooses the gift and then offers it to whom he wills. The receiver of the gift can do only one of two things...either he receives the gift, or rejects the gift. If one tries to pay the giver of the gift, it is no longer a gift. FAITH ALONE!
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ruben.Eph. 2:8-9"
Phil. 3:9, "and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith."

Again, works/Law is contrasted with faith repeatedly and we are told that we are not justified by works in any way. Therefore, we are made right with God by faith, not by faith and our works; hence, faith alone.
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ruben.Gal.3:5-6, "Does He then, who provides you with the Spirit and works miracles among you, do it by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith? 6Even so Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness."
Gal. 3:24, "Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith."
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ruben.Gal. 2:16, "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
Gal. 2:21, I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.
---Ramon on 2/7/06

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Ruben.Rom. 9:30, "What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith."
Rom. 10:4, "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes."
Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ruben.Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"
Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ruben. WRONG!. Before i get into that chapter let me first give some scriptures again!.Rom. 3:28-30, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Alan8869. Once we have been save by our faith, our hearts change. Once we have been save by our faith in christ. we undergo a change of heart. That what produce our good works. We get save by our faith. But our works dont save us. Faith does. Works follow. See, works always follow when we have been save through faith.
---Ramon on 2/7/06

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Alan8869. The bible tells us that Christ share his blood for us. The bible saids that our faith saves us. HE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN SAVE. Thats Why we must have faith, that faith saves us. If that faith is true, then we produce works. Faith is what save us. There nothing you can do to save yourself, That include works. Works follows after we have been save through faith. Both paul and james spoke about this.
---Ramon on 2/7/06

Ramon-(FAITH AND GOOD WORKS DON'T GET YOU TO HEAVEN.) WRONG! Matt 25:42-46, I was hungry, but you would not feed me thirsy but you would not give me a drink, I was sick and in prison, but you would not take of me. v45 I tell tell you whnever you refused to help one of these important ones you refused me. These, then will be sent off to ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous will go to ETERNAL LIFE! Again FAITH AND WORKS!
---ruben on 2/7/06

Bob ::You paint a vivid comical picture of catholicism you have missed your vocation in life - a horror script writer- Gargoyles.
---Emcee on 2/7/06

How, Ramon, can you have faith without good works?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/7/06

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Ruben. Once we have save by Faith. Everything follow after. Works, sacraments, etc. FAITH AND GOOD WORKS DON'T GET YOU TO HEAVEN.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. Catholics who say that they have faith and yet continue to depend on their good works for salvation, that they do not really believe in Christ at all. Faith must be in Christ alone, and none in ourselves, our goodness or our works.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. Good works follow justification. Indeed, unless a person is first justified, he cannot do any works that are pleasing to God. Any action done by the hands of a rebellious and condemned sinner is stained with sin and is rejected by God.

So, faith produces much fruit in the Christian's life; yet he would not dream of relying on personal works for justification. His faith rests on Christ. Faith save you, the works follow.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. read (Romans 3:28). Positively, the believer is justified by faith because he relies completely on the merits of Christ. Negatively, justification is apart from the deeds of the law. He is not accounted as righteous because of his obedience to the law. We have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law (Galatians 2:16)
---Ramon on 2/6/06

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---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. "Therefore having been justified by faith; we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ". Romans 5:1 is one verse of many stating this, by Him, everyone who believes is justified (Acts 13:39), "Who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification." (Romans 4:25). "Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:24).
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. Works comes after we are saved by Faith. That will show our faith that save us is Real. As you can see Ruben, you have a wall between you. That wall is keeping you from the Truth.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. Therefore, if we are to be justified, it has to be by grace - the gift of the remission of sins that goes out to the undeserving sinner. Our responsibility is simply to accept and receive, to reach out to the Hand that is outstretched to save us. Works comes after we are save by FAITH. NOT WORKS+FAITH.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

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Ruben.PAUL AND JAMES TAUGHT FAITH ALONE. WHY DID JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS?. YOU REJECTED HIS FREE GIFT."By the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in His sight, for through the law comes the knowledge of sin....all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:20,23). See also Jas. 2:10; Gal. 3:10.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. "It was for freedom that Christ set us free, therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery. Behold I say to you that if you receive circumcision (works), Chist will be of no benefit to you. And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision that he is under obligation to keep the whole law. You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law, you have fallen from grace" (Gal. 5:1-4).WORKs,NO!
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben."But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus who became to us wisdom from God and righteousnes and sanctification and redemption" (I Cor. 1:30). "So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified" (Ga. 2:16). Jesus Christ can save you!, NOT WORKS.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. How can you walk you to heaven by doing good deeds? You cant. Every Christian should understand that salvation means to be in right standing before God - righteous, justified; and that this is accomplished entirely by God's grace through our faith in Christ's finished work alone on our behalf. Grace and works are incompatible as Paul affirms; "....if it is by grace it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace" (Rom. 11:6).
---Ramon on 2/6/06

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Ruben.The basic message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that He came to die for our sins, because we were unable to save ourselves. The church fathers coined the phrase "total depravity" or "total inability" to save ourselves. The Apostle Paul states that we are "dead" in our sins. Dead men cannot do anything, much less work for their salvation. It is Jesus Christ who makes us alive when we simply accept His sacrifice for us.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben.Ruben. 1 col 13 does not destroy faith. NEVER SAID THAT!. I meant Faith alone. Forgot to put the Alone. Again Jesus Christ can only save you. "Right, he is also saying IT IS NOT FAITH ALONE!" Wrong he saying Faith alone.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. Important or greatests, same thing. Good works dont get you to Heaven. James and Paul speak about that very clearly.Ephesians 2:10.ONCE WE ARE SAVE BY FAITH WE PRODUCE WORKS. Not the other way around!. JAMES IS SAYING FAITH ALONE. FOLLOW BY GOOD WORKS, ONCE WE ARE SAVE BY FAITH!.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ruben. Oracles are just a fancy word."Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? 2Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God." From The ESV bible version. Different Version"s but the meaning stay the same. And you said you cant see what I got that from? Wow!.In the King James translation, the word is rendered 'oracles'.the Jews possessed the very 'word of God', OT! And they reject those "Extra books".!
---Ramon on 2/6/06

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Ruben. You are losing it. Your bible might have the word oracles, so do i. But we translate this passage in model terms. 'WHAT ADVANTAGE, THAN, IS THERE IN BEING A JEW, OR WHAT VALUE IS THERE IN CIRCUMCISION. MUST IN EVERY WAY! FIRST OF ALL THEY HAVE BEEN ENTRUSTED WITH THE VERY WORDS OF GOD. Taking from the NIV Bible version. Alot of bible have somewhat the same. They preserve the OT! They guard it!
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ramon-(Ruben. 1 col 13:13 dont say that by having love we are save. Love is "the important"( GREASTEST) commandent to obey. We need love on earth and in heaven. Love to others and God is first, then our Faith, by faith, works comes out. Please Ruben Read my posts today. SLOWLY!. We are not save by works.( NO but FAITH AND WORKS TOGETHER)
---ruben on 2/6/06

Ramon-(Ruben. 1 col 13 does not destroy faith. NEVER SAID THAT! Without Love you cant have Faith,( AMEN ) without Love first, there's nothing, and the bible makes that clear.( AMEN) I cant have faith without Love.(WORK)You misunderstanding what the scripture is saying) , ?: If Faith alone is necessary for salvation, do we have to love God or our fellow man in order to be saved? After all, if its faith alone, then love has nothing to do with our salvation, does it?
---ruben on 2/6/06

Ramon-( , doing good works, or sacraments ) :Galatians 5:6 " For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything; what matters is faith working through love. " and for the sacraments here are 2 for you:- John 6:53-54 Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink His blood, you have no life in you; he who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. John 3:5
---ruben on 2/6/06

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Ruben. Romans 3:1-2 does speak about that! You need to read to understand, read with a open mind, not a close one.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ramon-(Paul simply emphasized that justification is by faith alone while James put emphasis on the fact that faith in Christ produces good works. GOOD WORKS DONT GET YOU TO HEAVEN.!)Paul is not saying FAITH ALONE and neither is James, neither does FAITH ALONE GETS YOU IN HEAVEN, but FAITH AND WORKS DOES!
---ruben on 2/6/06

Ramon-(Ruben.James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his life. ) Right, he is also saying IT IS NOT FAITH ALONE!
---ruben on 2/6/06

Ramon-Ruben. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone){Paul nevers said that} Paul dogmatically says that justification is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9){ What about verse - Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good WORKS, which God prepared beforehand, that we SHOULD walk in them.}
---ruben on 2/6/06

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Emcee ... can you PLEASE tell us what your Bible says in Gen 3 15. Does it say the woman's heel will crush the serpent? (This is what the Catholic Encyclopaedia says, changed from the original)? Or does it say the heel of the seed will crush the serpent? (that is the version that non RCs use, and claim it is the original)
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/6/06

Ruben. They dont belong there! Why cant you accept the truth? Its it because you cant handle the truth? Ruben there many things wrong With those books. You just cant accept that. There seem to be a wall between you and the truth.
---Ramon on 2/6/06

Ramon-(Ruben. They do not belong in the Bible!They are not included in the original Hebrew O.T. preserved by the Jews. Rom. 3:1-2 states that God used the Jews to preserve His Word; therefore, we know that He guided them in the rejection of the Apocryphal books from the canon of Scripture) You got that from reading Rom 3:1, you are really losing it now, I wonder how many others get the same thing you get from reading that verses.
---ruben on 2/6/06

Emcee ... please quote what you say are the words of Genesis 3.15 Without that we cannot begin to understanbd what each other is saying. Even if we disagree, it is good to understand.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/6/06

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Catholic traditions. It's like a chamber of horrors! Think about it, they have molesting priests who wear black, nuns who strike kids with a weapon (Hardwood ruler with the optional metal edge), big scary statutes and on some church roofs depictions of gargoyles. What's next, brochures of hell? They pray to a statute. Maybe theres a speaker in there so they can receive instructions to take over the planet. CooKoo! And what's with the box you go into and come out and chant some Mary prayers?
---Bob on 2/5/06

Emcee: I'm glad you admit that the scripture I quoted to you is true! We are making progress. Now, the challenge. If what you read in my last blog IS true, that Jesus is the ONLY mediator between men and God -- how is it that you elevate Mary to that position also?? Do you think that God just forgot to mention her as an intercessor or mediator??
---Debbie on 2/5/06

Ruben. Love is what starts everything.Since faith is a coming away from sin and a coming to Christ for happiness and salvation, everyone who trusts Christ for salvation will lead a changed life. You cannot expect to be saved and yet continue whole-heartedly in your life of sin. But we need to remember that while good works always follow justification, but are not the basis of it.

1. Faith --->justification + works
2. NOT faith + works --->justification
---Ramon on 2/5/06

Alan ::To satisfy your doubt what part of Geneses C3V15 is it that you dont understand,of Gods prophecy as it covers a wide range of topics.He was rebuking SATAN.
---Emcee on 2/5/06

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Debbie::The bible is true But it is also true that Jesus as man was God ,can you deny that.
---Emcee on 2/5/06

Ruben. My first post about Love is telling you that love are the basic of all things. If i called myslef a christians,then i must show Love to others. Jesus talk about Love all the time. 1 col 13:13 dont say that by having love we are save. Love is "the important" commandent to obey. We need love on earth and in heaven. Love to others and God is first, then our Faith, by faith, works comes out. Please Ruben Read my posts today. SLOWLY!. We are not save by works.
---Ramon on 2/5/06

Ruben. Once you have faith, that faith is express. Paul emphasize that to possess spirtual gifts without having love amounts to nothing. The "most exellent way" is to exercise of spirtual gifts in love. Good deeds however dont makes us holy. What brings salvation is God"s grace through Faith. Doing good deeds are fine, they perfect but they wont take you to heaven.
---Ramon on 2/5/06

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