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Evolution And False Doctrines

In the light of the fraudulent South Korean scientist, how do those who tell me I must believe in evolution because a scientist told me so, feel? What other lies and deceptions are being put out by scientists to promote the doctrine that God doesn't exist?

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---Fred_S. on 5/14/07

Mike "The phlatid plant/bug is in fact a colony of bugs,who form a plant lioke structure. When startled, they get up and fly away. This could not have evolved, as the first ant eater along would have had dinner,mand wiped the bugs out"
Well I never!!! But they might have evolved to be able to fly before the anteater cam along. Or they might have been flies first, and evolved to be able to be a flower when they wanted a rest.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/22/06

Mike ... "yet they are a dogmatic in their blind faith in a blind evolution.. A belief in evoltion as the only means of creation is denial of God"
Why have you said that? I have looked right back through this blog, and NO-ONE has demonstrated a blind faith in evo, nor suggested that evo was the only means of creation. Both Guy and I have suggested evo or something akin is a possible tool that God may have used.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/22/06

The fraud is a good example of what happens in science. The fraud was discovered and shown to the world by other scientists. The former scientist is discredited and will never work as legitamite scientist ever again. Evolution is not opposed to the bible or to religion. There are untold thousands of scientists including in evolution related fields who are good Christians. Evolution stands on the facts that support it, not on opinion. Know anything else like this?!

Moderator - Good try.
---Mark on 1/22/06

The Bible is a spiritual book. It tells us what we need to know about God, the origin of the earth and man. There is allot of wisdom about what is right and wrong according to God, and how we all fall short. Romans 3:23 It tells us about God's gift of salvation. John 3:16 Romans 5:8 It is through faith that we accept it. Ephesians 2:8,9
We can choose what to believe. I believe the Bible, not evolution.
---Ulrika on 1/22/06

Am I a fundamentalist? Yes and proud of it, as I will always believe God over atheistic soul destroying science, that says we are nothing, and of no importance.
I am not unthinking, I think clearly, listen to what uis being said,and watch those who know nothingm but guess because they weren't there, tell the lies of Satan.
---mike6553 on 1/22/06

2/ Evolutionists are quick to accuse me of unthinking fundamentalist, yet they are a dogmatic in their blind faith in a blind evolution.
Some one raised Lucy and Neanderthal man, yet when I challenged them, was promptly ignored. Why?
3/ Abelief in evoltion as the only means of creation is denial of God. Look at its history, and those who used it to promote Nazism and communism, and tell me God is behind it.
---mike6553 on 1/22/06

The phlatid plant/bug is in fact a colony of bugs,who form a plant lioke structure. When startled, they get up and fly away. This could not have evolved, as the first ant eater along would have had dinner,mand wiped the bugs out.
---mike6553 on 1/22/06

Might I make a suggestion, try and read all the answers from the start. Makes interesting reading, 3 points beconme clear.
1 Pro evoloutionists are good on rhetoric, but weak on clear answers. I have asked for an explanation of the phlatid plant, its on the net I checked, and have been ignored. This is not surprising, as it is an embarrasment to the evolutionist.
---mike6553 on 1/22/06

Thanks Alan...peace! :-)
---Leon on 1/22/06

Leon "We don't have a present "need to know" beyond what God tells us in the Bible" Please don't say that to the aircraft designer, or to the pilot of the plane.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/22/06

Leon ... *2 Regarding the albatross & the not eating meat before the flood. If you believe that the Genesis Creation story tells the whole story, and thus deny God may have used evolution (note I only say may) and/or other tools not recorded in the Bible, you have also to accept the scripture about the time immediately after the flood, which relates that flesh was eaten for the first time.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/22/06

Leon ... *1 you ask do we need to know. And the answer which should have been clear in what I have said is "NO". So we do not know. I do not know. Nor do you. You do not know how God made this world and us, not do you know how He did not do it.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/22/06

Alan...Leon #5, cont'd. 1.) A race of human-beings the Bible says God made from the dust of the ground into a living soul and 2.) a race of apes (Planet of the Apes?) that you imagine God decided to turn into human-beings? What?! :-D

Do you (we) really NEED TO KNOW how God did it? Could we understanding it even if He told us? Then what? Would we NEED TO KNOW why He did it -- and by the way God, how many angels can really dance on the head of a needle? Pleeeze!

Thanks Alan. :-)
---Leon on 1/22/06

Alan...Leon #3 cont'd. Food for thought, i.e.,After Adam sinned all of creation began dying. There was no shortage of flesh upon the earth -- plenty to eat (dispose of).

Leon #4. The Albatross didn't eat fish before the flood? There were fish in abundance before the flood. (Gen. 1:26)

Leon #5. You stretched your point way beyond biblical evidence & rational belief. If God had done what you implied there would be two totally different "races" of human-beings on earth.
---Leon on 1/22/06

Alan...Leon #1. We don't have a present "need to know" beyond what God tells us in the Bible. Extra-biblical (supplemental, ADDITIONAL) knowledge is a trick of the devil to divert one's attention away from God's truth. (Ref. Gen. 3:4-5) Face it, we have a hard enough time with Gen.-Rev.

Leon #2. How does anything the scientist say measure up to what God says?

Leon #3. Obviously, you've been listening to & feeding upon the fables of the highly opinionated CN blog masses. :-)
---Leon on 1/22/06

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Lupe: I agree with your line of reasoning. "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isa 55:8,9) The Word of God cannot be reconciled with the pagan doctrines of evolution. "...what communion hath light with darkness?" (2Cor 6:14)
---jerry6593 on 1/21/06

Leon ... # 5 Now, of course to say that man developed from apes is a bit different, because we are made in the likeness of God (bot though with regard to the matter of loving each other, because we do not) I do not see why it is contrary to the Bibke to think that maybe God controlled evolution (or something akin to it maybe)and ensured that apes did develop into humanoids and then by His inspiration, changed them into humans with minds instead of instincts, and souls.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/21/06

Leon ... # 4. Consider the albatross ... it never lands to feed, and is totally dependent on fish. How did it fare before the flood? And were its forbears the same as it is now? No, quite a development there... in fact a different bird.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/21/06

Leon ... # 3 I am told here that before the flood, all living beings were vegetarian. I asked how did the eagles and lions eat vegetables, and I am told their teeth then were suitable for vegetable eating. I asked then how did they come to eat meat after the flood and am told that they developed the appropriate teeth and claws. Seems to me some sort of evolution there, as not only teeth and claws, but also a competely different digestive system would be needed in order to kill and eat meat.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/21/06

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Leon ... # 2 I suppose if one believes that the Bible is a complete and literally word for word, second by second, accurate account of how God made everything, one could say the scientists are lying about the marsupials, and refuse to believe they exist.

---alan8869_of_UK on 1/21/06

Leon ... # 1 You ask me "Who or what do you have faith in?" I have the same faith in Christ as most here have. I have faith that the Bible is True. The account of the Creation is True, because it tell us that God made the world, and us. But it clearly is not a complete account of how HOW He did it. After all, there is no mention for example of Australasia.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/21/06

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

1Tim 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, AVOIDING profane and vain babblings, and OPPOSITIONS OF SCIENCE falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith . . .
---a_servant on 1/21/06

Hello brother Jerry, thank you for the lessons today on something so important. I have read everything you put down and its mostly things that I have read on the subject from other sources. If the Word is not all truth, we would have a problem. I believe the problem is with our own minds that cannot comprehen the things that God does. And so we reach a conclusion from what we are taught.
---Lupe2618 on 1/21/06

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Evolution is all lies, How come scientist cant prove how the world was created, and where the material for creation came from.
---Megg on 1/20/06

Alan: In no way do I think that you are an atheist. I've read too many of your blogs to believe that. But that does not change the fact that evolution was developed by and for atheists, and they cling to it tenaciously - it's all they've got. Evolution is not really a theory, it is an hypothesis. Theories are testable, evolution is not. What Darwin discovered was MICRO-evolution, the variation within a basic Genesis KIND. Beyond this boundary, no variation (evolution) can occur.
---jerry6593 on 1/20/06

Guy-1: My degree is in physics, and I studied historical geology with evolution as well. At the time, it did not occur to me that what I was being taught as scientific fact was nothing more than conjecture and outright fraud. Not that my professors were lying. No, they merely had believed their professors. My professor called the sudden explosion of life forms in the Cambrian layer, with the total absence in the Pre-Cambrian as a "mystery," as did Darwin.
---jerry6593 on 1/20/06

Guy-2: I was taught that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny is one of the proofs of evolution. If you can explain how such a wild, unsubstantiated claim is anything but conjecture, Id like to hear it. In later years, I learned that Piltdown man, the famous horse series and Archaeopteryx (to name a few) were all clever frauds. Yet these frauds are still being taught as facts in our tax-paid schools, while the truth is not allowed. If scientific proofs of evolution abound, then name one.
---jerry6593 on 1/20/06

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Alan... The primordial amino acid soup theory is in diametric opposition to what the Bible teaches. If you're looking for extra-biblical, pre-human, explanations for evolution you're stirring a stick in the muddy water pool of random chance and vainly imagining the beginnings of life on earth contrary to God's word.

I'm not your enemy and I don't mean to be crude and/or rude; but, I am, among other things, direct. Please clear this up for me. Who or what do you have faith in?
---Leon on 1/20/06

more food for thought.. Why couldn't these "early man" remains have been yet a different animal, just similar. You know, like the ape. Even the pig has more useable parts for human transplants than the ape. Why not look at carbon dating etc as man made and falable (like me). The serpent in the garden was man-like but not. A different animal all together but I bet if we had his skeleton it would look close enough for Darwin...
---mikefl on 1/19/06

Leon, I did not say there was anything in the Bible to support the theory of evolution, I said there was nothing there to deny it. If you say the Bible says exactly how God made the world, I can understand your inability to accept any idea of something like evolution, and I respect your belief.
My faith is large enough to accept that there may more to things (including the creation account)than recorded in the Bible.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/19/06

SLCGuy: " need not conflict with scripture." (1/17) Hmmm! Science (gnosis --"knowledge") comes from God. True faith is objective, not subjective. (1 Tim 6:20).

Alan8869_of_UK: Ref your 1/17 comments. The opposite is true. There's nothing in the Bible to support evolution. Because of original sin mankind has actually "devolved" (become corrupt -- death doomed).
---Leon on 1/19/06

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Mr Jerry, What generated vitorolic rhetoric like that? 'indisputible facts?' They abound. I dont know what your education in the physical sciences is, but that medieval rationale will lead only backward. 'religion of the atheist?' absolute nonsence. I know a lot of professors in the field, in my Church, none athiest. 'Seasick sociopath?' Tell me you are being humerous, as I suspect you are. If I had the 'faith' for it, the religion of 'atheism' would best be built on the pillers of self-love and history.
---SLCGuy on 1/19/06

Jerry there is no point in getting into a war over this, but you label people as atheist because they look in wonder at the universe, and seek to understand how it all happened. There are gaps in the evo theory &n there is no proof of it ... I have said it is only a theory.
But please do give me one fact that categorically disproves that something like that happened.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/19/06

Jerry ... that is your problem, it is YOU that say belief in the possibility of something akin to Evo is atheism. Do you not see that you are branding such people as atheists when they are not, and driving them into the atheistic camp? You tell me I am an atheist ... but I am not.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/19/06

Alan: I would like to see just one indisputable scientific fact in support of Darwinism. There are none, but there are hundreds of scientific discoveries which refute it. It is a pseudo-scientific belief system built on the twin pillars of conjecture and fraud. It is in fact the religion of the atheist; conceived by a seasick sociopath, propelled into prominence by an elite academia and finally unleashed upon the world as the class warfare of communism and the ethnic cleansing of nazism.
---jerry6593 on 1/19/06

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I love to read about scientific discovery ... and nowadsys to see, with the marvellous developments in technology. The more I learn about the universe (it's size, it's age) and this world, the more I see of the greatness of God.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/19/06

Mod # 2 there are facts that tend to lead towards the theory, and they are facts. Extreme Creationists deny these facts, and call the scientists liars. This alienates those who do accept these facts, (although still accepting the theory is only that) and send them down the inevitable route of atheism.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/18/06

Mod # 1 "Evolution one way or the other doesn't affect my Christianity" I agree with that. "It's the false scientific facts that gets me to comment" I think there is the danger (exhibited on these blogs) that those who disbelieve the evo theory deny the scientific facts that make the theory a possibility. And further that scientists who propose the theory as a theory are called liars, when they are only postulating.

Moderator - I agree that some would fall into that category. However, I am addressing the factual science issues only not Christianity.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/18/06

Sorry Mod ... you did not say the things I "quoted". But you seem here and on other blogs to be so firmly against any possibility that evolution may not be a scientists' lie, that you do seem to say that being a Christian is incompatible with accepting any form of evolution.

Moderator - Yes, evolution is a theory and many educated scientists will state that it is a theory because they know the science facts. I am not refering to Christianity at all. Evolution one way or the other doesn't affect my Christianity. It's the false scientific facts that gets me to comment.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/18/06

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I once read a book by a well-read fundamentalist who refered to Freud, Darwin, and Marx as the 'unholy trinity' of humanism. He talks about 'social darwinism.' The point is philosophy does have socialal consequences, and Americas rapid 'decline' into secularization can be traced to these three Europeans. This may sound silly as first, but in OLD, pre WW2 horror filmS, WHERE, did all the 'evil monsters' come from?
---SLCGuy on 1/18/06

Alan; I cant speak for him, but I believe 'Mike' is of the literal 6,000 crowd, not sure, ask him) What I have learned on this issue is that subjective emotion slways trounces fact. The real objection is the notion it points to randomness, absolute materialism. Beyond that, hard-core fundamentalist others, who see no conflict with science scripture as 'compromisers.'
---sclGuy on 1/18/06

SLCGuy you may have me almost convinced of the evolution thing when you said, "So God used evolution, I dont see an issue." Your comments brought up a question in my mind if I may ask. What do you think your family evolved from?
Are you better than what you were and how do you know?
The simple amber with an insect in it proves that evolution is not true.
---Elder on 1/18/06

Moderstor and others ... why are you so determined to say that God did not used methods which we may partly understand, or not ubderstand, or still may be discovered.?
There is nothing to stop a Christian accepting that evolution could have been one of the tools God used.

Moderator - I never made those statements. Please refer back to my remarks and as always quote me. Thanks.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/18/06

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In the Dinosaur Museum in Dorchester, Southern England, they have a reconstruction of Lucy. She is clearly a monkey of some sort, whcih was later confirmed by a archeologoical journal. I have also been told by those in the known, that the Basques of Spain and France are not related to us, but may be in fact Neanderthal. Something to do with the blood type being unique. Look up the phlatid plant, and ask how it could have evolved. Correct spelling btw.
---mike6553 on 1/18/06

Mike,(and all)I do not want to go to far with this, as some trade grey matter for emotion with this issue. But here are the facts, Neanderthals died out 35,000 years ago, DNA bluebrinting shows them NOT related to modern man. Two more full austripithicus-since 'Lucy' have been found, their knee caps show they walked upright, and had strangly large cranial casing. So God used evolution, I dont see an issue.

Moderator - Have you seen the Lucy bone fragments? I have and they are just that a few pieces of bones. How they turned those few pieces into anything is just theory.
---SLCGuy on 1/18/06

SLCGuy, so what about Austropolithicus etc? Austro died out 1.5 million years ago by your reckoning, no known connection to modern man. Homo Errectus is indistinguishable from modern man. Neanderthal man was a modern man with rickets. Case not proven.
---mike6533 on 1/18/06

There is nothing in the Bible to deny that God may have used some sort of evolutionary tool in the creation of the world (unless you believe the literal 6x24 hour day creation) We should be fighting atheism, not evolution. The more we fight evolution, the more we make people think that if you believe in Evo you have to be atheist.
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/17/06

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There is evolutionary theory and evolutionary law. We have DNA blueprinting, and so many other ways of confirming natural selection. I am aware 'faith' will ALWAYS trounces objectivity. I just see, like so many others that science need not conflict with scripture, and true faith has no fear of objectivity. I have seen chrasmatics RUN from a musium where early man fossils were displayed, that ain't faith. Atheism, NOT evolution requires more faith than I have.

Moderator - After studying many fossils, being on digs of dinosaurs and understanding the evolution THEORY, I realise that there are too many scientific holes. If I were not a Christian, I would still consider evolution only a weak theory regardless if I believed in God.
---SLCGuy on 1/17/06

"Those missing fossil records have never been found." Really? Austripithicus, Homo Erectus, Neanderthals. Natural selection is not the scientific method? As to Darwin, when I read Origen of Species he always refered to the 'Creator.' He was a relgious man, an Anglican i believe.

Moderator - Those aren't missing fossil records. In addition, most of the creatures pieced together were from a couple of bone fragments - not too scientific? I have seen in person many of the bone pieces - again not too scientific. The THEORY of evolution requires more faith than I have.
---SLCGuy on 1/17/06

In college i took both philosophy and science classes. Evolution was dealt with in science class. I am confused how evolution could be called philosophy any more than gravity, archeology, or any other physical science, sciences where empirical evident is the paragon, and subsequent 'philosophies that may arise are smoke.

Moderator - Because evolution is not confirmed using the scientific method. Those missing fossil records have never been found.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

Intelligent Design = "GOD MADE" (Gen. 1:7,16,25-26,31, etc.)
---Leon on 1/16/06

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Does 'Evolution' contradict belief in God/scriptures? What in science says God does not exist? One does not 'believe' in science, as science is a paradigm based on emperical evidence, belief is a faith paradigm.(As to intelligent design, it is philosophy, not science.)

Moderator - Evolution is a philosophy and isn't science. Even Darwin knew it wasn't science.
---SLCGuy on 1/16/06

Actually Alan, I just thru that out without really knowing what intelligent design was. Just heard on news talking about it. I'll do my research in the future.
---Fred_S. on 1/16/06

Surely, fred, Intelligent Design is the suggestion by Christians that God created the systems that have given us this world?
---alan8869_of_UK on 1/16/06

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