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Tithe To Be A Good Member

Would a person need to tithe to be considered a member in good standing in your church, in your eyes?

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I (for over 40 years) and others in todays church have paid tithes, and I have not seen many with the blessings promised in Malachi. Many are yet poor, trying to support a pastor that they made rich, some saying that members should not be concerned with where the money is going. I did my own study on tithes and found out that tithes was under the law - 10% of crop, etc., not money. None of the farm workers, craftsmen, fisherman, carpenters, etc. were anywhere told to give 10% of their income. I give as I purpose in my heart to my church and elsewhere. I am blessed, give cheerfully, and I bellieve you will be blessed.
---Linda on 3/8/10

The poor widow who put all she had as an offering in the temple treasury.The rich put bigger OFFERINGS. Jesus said her OFFERING was more than theirs.It's not the amount but the heart that goes into it. They gave out of abundance. She gave all she had to live on. She gave an offering not tithe. Tithing does show God we trust HIM to care for our needs.I am poor myself and give what I can. God Blesses me, I am happy to give what I can. Tithing is not just about $, its our time etc...
---Gail on 6/14/08

Holly4jc, I think if we follow what Jesus said, and try to be like Him, we cant go wrong. So I'd rather follow His commands instead of pick and choose which ones He meant for Christians hundreds of years later, and which ones He meant only for those He was living with at the time.
---Todd1 on 6/12/08

(pt 2)
If those He was speaking to were truly "under the law" and did not have access to grace thru faith because of Christ's sacrifice, then the logical conclusion is that everyone who ever lived prior to Christ's death is doomed to hell, for all have sinned (transgressed the law)(Rom 3:23). I think those before Christ had access to God's grace as well (heb 11)
---Todd1 on 6/12/08

1) I agree with Ken...he seems to have his theology in harmony with scriptures on this point. Remember Jesus said in Matt 23:23 "this you ought to have done, and not left the others undone"
-speaking of tithing as well as not neglecting weightier matters such as "justice, mercy, and faith"
---Todd1 on 6/10/08

Todd..of course Jesus spoke to the religious leaders of that day in reference to the law...they were still under the law,
---Holly4jc on 6/11/08

2) the new covenant had not been implemented yet, so that is why He made reference to what they were and were not doing, ACCORDING to the law. Jesus would not have held them accountable to or made reference to the new covenant...He had not died on the cross yet...they were still under the old covenant. His criticism of them was of their hypocrisy for not following the whole of the law and only doing certain parts...they were supposed to do ALL of it.
---Holly4jc on 6/11/08

Tithing is one of the most abused teachings of the modern church. The New Testament says the freewill offering is superior to the tithe. Furthermore, in the Old Testament, the tithe was always food and always only required of land owners and animal herders. City dwellers, craftsmen, and the poor did not tithe. Most importantly, 1/3 of the tithe went to feed the poor. I don't know a single church that follows the law as it was orignially intended.
---obewan on 6/11/08

1) Ken...what does Leviticus 24:18
"Whoever kills an animal shall make it good, animal for animal."
have to do with Matt 5:17-20?

So do follow all of the 613 laws as well as the 10 commandments? You never answered that question. Do you still sacrifice animals? When was the last time you offered a grain offering to the Lord as prescribed in Leviticus 2 or if you have a wife and she had a child, did you perform all that is required in Leviticus 12?
---Holly4jc on 6/11/08

2) Do you do ALL that is required in Leviticus 15 regarding bodily discharges?

James 2:10
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Jesus said He came to fulfill the law...the word fulfill means: to bring to an end, finish or complete. Jesus completed all that was required of the law, in our stead. As He said...It is Finished.
---Holly4jc on 6/11/08

I agree with Ken...he seems to have his theology in harmony with scriptures on this point. Remember Jesus said in Matt 23:23 "this you ought to have done, and not left the others undone"
-speaking of tithing as well as not neglecting weightier matters such as "justice, mercy, and faith"
---Todd1 on 6/10/08

I respectfully apologize Holly, I'm not ignoring you. I was in another blog. God never changes, He is the same now as he was in the begining. What did God say about His Laws? Leviticus 24:18 What does Jesus say about the Law? Mathew 5:17-20
---Ken on 6/10/08

Preachers should not make their members tithe. Jesus said carry only one coat, and do not worry about money. Any pastor that sells his 'services' is in it for the wrong reason. Give to those who need the money not to rich ministries. Let them tear down the churches once they are emptied, let the church of Christ go underground and be better for it.
---frances008 on 6/10/08 still did not answer me as to whether or not you keep the other 613 laws in the Old Testament?
---Holly4jc on 6/10/08

2)Some people simply cannot give very much, but many people could if they wanted to. God calls on us to examine ourselves, to examine our priorities, and to be generous.

The OLD COVENANT gave us condemnation, the NEW COVENANT gives us justification and peace with God. How much more should we be willing to give freely and generously so God's work can be done in the world to proclaim the gospel, to declare the new covenant ministry that gives us true life, and gives that message of life to others?
---gracynluv on 6/10/08

3)A person who has faith in Jesus Christ does not worry about whether tithing is commanded in the New Testament. A person who is transformed by Christ to be more like Christ is generous. Such a person wants to give as much as possible to support the gospel and to support needy members. Christians should give generously but giving is a result of their RELATIONSHIP with God, not a way to EARN it. We are given grace through faith, not through tithing.
---gracynluv on 6/10/08

1) The Israelites were commanded to give 10 percent under a covenant that could not make them perfect (Heb. 7:19, 9:9). How much more joyfully should we give to God under the new covenant? We have the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, which does cleanse our conscience (9:14).

And yet it seems that in America today, even though we have so much more than the Israelites did, people give on average less than half the percentage the Israelites did.
---gracynluv on 6/10/08

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Read Deuteronomy 14:22-29. The Bible makes the purpose of tithing very clear. To set aside a tenth of what we earn. God counts on beleivers to provide for those in need, and we should use what God has given us to aid those less fortunate. Who gives you your wages Holly?
---Ken on 6/10/08

1). Ken...I respect your opinion, but I do not believe we are still under the law of tithing. I know exactly why churches teach it and what they say they are using it for, but that still does not mean that we are under the law of tithing. In the New Testament, God says to give what is purposed in your heart and that He loves a cheerful giver. In the book of Acts, they did not tithe, but laid down ALL they had, to be distributed as necessary. I believe God wants us to make the entire 100% available to...
---Holly4jc on 6/9/08

2) ...Him and then be obedient to what He wants you to do with that 100%...if He says "give it all", then you better give it all and not just give your 10% and if He says to hold off on giving this week, etc., then you better be obedient to that too. That's what's known as being "Spirit-led". And if you think we are still under the law of you still sacrifice animals too? For that is also part of the 613 laws of the Old Testament, where you will also find the tithing part.
---Holly4jc on 6/9/08

No, for true Christians will know that tithing is sin.
---Eloy on 6/9/08

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gracynluv - the OT tithe was largely an agricultural gift used in support of the Levitical priesthood. You can relieve yourself of the ignorance of those who advocate obedience to OT tithe by reading "Tithing: Low-Realm, Obsolete & Defunct" by Matthew Narramore and there is a horde of other books on this subject that basically hold the same & biblical viewpoint.
---Lee1538 on 6/9/08

gracynluv - from a strictly Biblical standpont, the tithe is not required of Christians. What is asked is simply that they give in accordance to how one is blessed - and that may be anything.

All too often we see the ecclesisatical establishment exploiting the poor & biblical ignorant by teaching a Christianized version of the OT tithe.
---Lee1538 on 6/9/08

2)Yet, regarding tithes, God invites us to test Him: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in My house. Test me in this, says the Lord Almighty, and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it" (Mal3:10). "If we would have God open His treasury, we must open ours"
---gracynluv on 6/9/08

First of all, we are all still under the law of the old testament, or as some refer to as the Law of Moses. That Law is called "The Ten Commandments". Second, in the old testament God used a tenth (1/10), or ten percent as a measure for a tithe. Tithing has never been ommitted and is used by the church for charities, community services, and payment for those (ministers,pastors etc.) providing biblical teaching. Third, God does not curse those who believe in Him.
---Ken on 6/9/08

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Amen, Holly4jc & james!
I've been telling preachers for years that their not Levite Preists of the O/T and to stop making the Poor people of God think they have to give to go to Heaven!
This is only one of Many reasons why I Don't Go, I REFUSE to be Made Merchandise of!
Jesus said to give to the Poor, NOT take from them!
Good Job!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/9/08

1)God could demand tithes with no recompense. We owe Him everythinglife itself, yet He only asks for a tenth of what He gives us in the first place. And then, if we give back this tenth, He promises to bless us. Moreover, He dares us to test Him in this. In general, we are not to put God to the test, as it is written, "Do not put the Lord your God to the test" (Matt. 4:7, cf. Deut. 6:16).
---gracynluv on 6/9/08

1) I stopped tithing 2 years ago when I realized that #1) we are not under the law of tithing anymore and #2) I was only tithing because I believed if I did not tithe, I would be under a curse from God, so it was out of fear that I did it. This is what I heard over and over at various churchs, the whole "bringing a curse upon you if you don't tithe" sermon and it really put fear in me. God does not want us giving to His work out of fear of retaliation from Him.
---Holly4jc on 6/9/08

2) So now I just give as God directs and He has really blessed me for this. Six months after I stopped tithing, I got the biggest raise I ever got in any job and now, last week again, I got a huge raise and a hefty bonus with it. I have learned that the most important thing is to be obedient when God tells you to give, give how much He tells you to give and give it to whom He directs you to. This pleases the Lord, to be led by His Spirit and be obedient to Him when He tells you to do something.
---Holly4jc on 6/9/08

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Why tithe to support apostate churches? The real church is the poor, prisoners, the homeless, etc. etc. etc. Nobody else is looking after them adequately. Yes, if you are a Catholic prisoner you get to be brought toothpaste from Refugee Associations which are friendly with the Church. But what about the others???? We need to spend our money on potential Christians, and those who have nobody, not on supporting false systems.
---frances008 on 6/8/08

I would rather be in good standing with God than any church. Tithe was for the Levite tribe because they couldn't own anything. Since this is over (See Matthew 21:43) any church demanding tithe is much worse then a thief. Jesus said don't let your left hand know what the right had is doing in you giving. Perhaps YOU should do what your church is NOT doing. Pay yourself and start your own ministry.
---james on 6/7/08

julie *The people that don't tithe, they don't realized how blessed they would be by giving God His tithe.

One does not buy God's blessings. While He has gifted some to give generously, others have been called upon for other deeds. You may not realize it but God does not bless those who believe in the tithe and take food off their table to obey an OT law not mandatory on Christians. New Covenant Christians are to give in accordance to how God has blessed them.
---Lee1538 on 6/5/08

The motivation needs to focus upon being right with God and not man or an institution. We need to be good Christ followers rather than good church members. Many churches today have serious problems in Gods eyes so that we must be very discerning and read the Bible for ourselves. Salvation does not depend upon church membership or being a "good member".:)
---jody on 6/5/08

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I read some of these answers and its no wonder why todays Christians live in poverty.

Tithing is an absolute commandment from God. Jesus said (NT) "Give to Ceaser what is Ceasers and to God what is Gods'."

Tithing is not optional, but is a learned obedience. Take it from someone who has walked both sides of the fence. Your finances are not your own, they are His, & when you allow Him total control, you will prosper. Its a biblical guarantee. I am living proof.
---mike on 6/5/08

Yes. The people that don't tithe, they don't realized how blessed they would be by giving God His tithe.
---julie on 6/5/08

A good member is an obedient member read God's word and know that you are serving the Lord. Now if the church isn't right pray for them, for the prayers of the righteous shall availith much. If the church isn't teaching Jesus has risen and all of God's promises and God's word then you shall be concerned and seek fellowship elsewhere. Read Leviticus 27:32 Malachi 3:8-12
---KReid-Lewis on 6/5/08

Brian - there are many that believe Malachi 3:10 ( & other OT laws) pertains to Christians and you will seldom hear from the pulpit the New Covenant view that we are to give chearfully in accordance to how we are blessed. 2 Cor. 9:6f.

Ministers love money as much as the rest of us and often take advantage of those who are ignorance of the Bible.
---Lee1538 on 6/4/08

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Good tithes are your offering of Obedient. Our submission to Christ is far more important than our money to God. Dont get me wrong, Im not saying that we shouldnt do it, but I believe that God doesnt care too much about money. What is important is that we are wilily to give our heart, mind and soul to the ONE who wants to change us. Once our life intertwines with his word than well know what God requires of us and well follow the prompting of his Holy Spirit wherever that may leads us.
---Kimberly_E_Walker on 6/4/08

A person only needs to tithe to avoid robing God. See Malachi 3:8-10. God doesn't need our money but we give back a portion of our income as an act of worship to thank God for what He has done for us.
---Brian on 6/4/08

(1) Deuteronomy 14:22-29 shows me the Jews were to tithe from their crops and bring their firstborn from their herds > "you shall eat," it says to them, where they would meet. They did not just give it "back" to the LORD, but ate it, *themselves*, also.

And Deuteronomy 26:12-13 shows me "third year" tithes were "given to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, so that they may eat within your gates and be filled".
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/3/08

(2) Malachi 3:10 >
"'Bring all the tithes into the storehouse,
That there may be food in My house,
And try Me now in this,'
Says the LORD,"

Tithes were brought to the *storehouse*, I understand so the Levites and the needy would have "food". Ones "rob God" by using tithes for what is not necessary needs, I'd say.

Plus, nowhere does Jesus or any New Testament writer directly specify to give ten percent > (3) >
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/3/08

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(3) But Jesus did say, concerning tithing, > "These you ought to have done," in Matthew 23:23 > but this is in PAST tense, possibly referring to Old Testament times before Jesus came to bring in our better Covenant. So, what is better than tithing? I offer >

"And not only as we had hoped, but they first gave themselves to the Lord, and then to us by the will of God." (2 Corinthians 8:5)

You give *yourself* to Jesus and to whoever He provides as your exemplary leaders.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/3/08

Doc_If it is me, your talking about?
HOW do you get From what I said,
To MEAN: Not to Give?
On the Contrary, You would'nt KNOW how much you were Giving, MAYBE more than a Tenth,
Like most think God Wants?

IF you want a Blessing from MY Father(The God of Abraham), THAT'S "The Way" you'll do it!
Whats next, Render unto God what is Gods?
IF your a rich man, BETTER hope you can fit thru the EYE of a Needle?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/3/08

Doc_I'll assume that "?" is to me and not Diane.
NOT one time did Jesus tell people to go and sell all you have and give some to a Church(Building), It IS the POOR he said to give it too!
I'm a Cheerful giver, Just, not to people that claim to be bringers of Gods word...
SHOW me WHERE, he says to Tithe!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/3/08

Absolutely not. God knows my thoughts. He could take everything away.>>>>Preachers, sits up front where the podium is located, and they should have their focus smap, dab, on God, instead, out of the corner of their eye they are watching that plate and every dollar that gets dropped in it. I do not know how God puts up with it, it makes me boiling mad to write this stuff.
---catherine on 6/3/08

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Diane: where is the text which says that Jesus said we dont tithe please...this is false preaching..the Bible is misunderstood by so many christians who are selfish and dont want to give to God's cause..or give back to God what is His..
---doctor on 6/3/08

Some churches consider you a good member if you tithe,better if you give big offerings. My concern would not be with what a church thought of me, rather what God thought of me. Malachi3:8-11 "Will a man rob God? You have robbed me in tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse"
---melann on 6/2/08

Like I've said Before,
Jesus NEVER said to Tithe.
He said Not to let the one Hand know what the other Hand is Doing when you give,
So that when you give it will be a SECRET(To YOU),
and WHAT you give in Secret My Father WILL reward you Openly.
IS this NOT what My Brother told you to do when you give?
If so, Do as HE says & be Blessed.
If you reach in your pocket and think that handful might be to much,THAT's the other Hand Talking.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/2/08

candice,'s an "offering" that is giving what you can between you and God. Tithe literally means tenth, it's a very specific amount of your "increase" that is supposed to go back to the Lord, according to the Bible. But still, its between you and God and is no one's business.
---Todd1 on 6/2/08

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No. Tithing or giving what you can is between you & God. Not between you & other church members.God doesn't need money, he's God, however helping the congregation you reside with is to further the good news is a good thing.
---candice on 6/2/08

Lee: you are badly judging others way of managing their financial states..our church is highly well organised church and we are the 2nd biggest relief agency in the world who do so much for those in need in 3rd world countries etc. Surely, a mere pittance of your pay is not too big to ask for the needy..Give back wha is God's Lee..dont hold back what is not yours ...
---doctor on 5/31/08

To tithe to be "a member in good standing in my church" would be an awful reason to give. I give/tithe because I do it in obedience to the scriptures..I really do not care what others think. I do think that you better find good soil to put your tithe. Giving to some dead silly. Really..bottom line..where your money goes..shows exactly where a persons heart is.
---melanie on 5/29/08

*I am appalled to read so many mean selfish christians on this site..

Giving to the church & charities is going to be more of a problem as the price of gasoline, unemployment,and other negative financial trends continues to rise.

Tithing to one of substance may not hurt much, but to some, tithing becomes food right off the table.

One must put the welfare of ones family before that of the all too often badly managed church programs.
---Lee1538 on 5/29/08

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I am appalled to read so many mean selfish christians on this do we pay expenses incurred of the church, how do we help the poor, how do we help pastors who need financial assistance>???the list goes on..this is God's work we are supporting..dont give me silly indeed do we help? in this day and age, we need to help any way we can. thats why I tithe..cos God said so.
---operator on 5/11/08

Matt. 23:
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for YE pay TITHE of mint and anise and cummin, and have OMITTED(Left Out) the weightier matters of the law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith: THESE ought YE to have DONE, and NOT to leave the other undone.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/6/08

Operator: You missed the spiritual point as usual. My point was: why limit God? If you are so into tithing give your whole check not just 10%. Since you are such a good member in the church. Don't try to be good-- be loving. Then you will begin to see progress in your Christian growth. God is Love.
---Robyn on 5/6/08

Jesus, Never Promoted giving 10% to the Church or Synagoges!

Jesus SAID:Don't let your Left hand KNOW what your Right hand is DOING when you GIVE,
and GIVE in Secret & My Father WILL REWARD you OPENLY.
THIS means: Reach into your pocket, grab some
money W/O knowing "THE AMOUNT", Give IT to A Worthy Church OR the POOR, AS you know Giving to the Poor IS the SAME as giving to the Lord. Remember what many will say?
WHEN Lord DID we see you thirsty, hungry,Naked, ect.ect.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/6/08

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Once again, this is a false tradition.
A church cannot save you, whether you are in good standing according to the pastor's idea of how much money you should be giving.
Give money to a false prosperity church, that doesn't do a thing for your good standing with God. It fills the pastors pockets but "in our eyes", prosperity teachers teach tithe 10%. Study tithing vs. giving.
---Ulrika on 5/6/08

Robyn, He only asked ten percent..not all of it..and 10% is not much and yes, I love to give for His cause..and yes, some would go and change it like they change His laws and Sabbaths..thats where man go wrong by not following exactly what God commands..if I give all,wot would I pay bills with I ask you Robyn? use common sense?
---operator on 5/6/08

I would think that tithing would be something you would want and enjoy doing if you love Jesus. If you are a Christain church member (not all church members are Christians) you should want to tithe. It is God's way of suppling the needs of the church.
---Hunter on 5/5/08

Ramona: You are offbase on this one as well. Some people don't have much or very little and they still choose to tithe. Its not how much we have but what we do with what we have. If I had a dollar I would give a portion of that, not necessarily 10%.It is the condition of the heart that counts when you give the money.
A tither with a dirty heart toward God and others will not be blessed. They are basically throwing their money away and making others(preachers/pastors) rich. People are you listening?
---Robyn on 5/4/08

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Another view: If somone is tithing to be seen as a good member in church, they are deluded and misguided and has never known the ways of the Lord. Need to taught things spiritual and how to have a closer walk with Jesus. Otherwise you are only a people pleaser, which never gets us anywhere.We are to please God first and foremost.
---Robyn on 5/4/08

If you want to be a good, obedient member of one of man's institutional churches, you have to follow the rules of that institution (this present economic crisis will change your mind, it's better to feed your family well, they are a parent's FIRST ministry).

You might also want to show partiality to the brethren, but it's better not to, James 2:1 and 2:9). YOUR CHOICE!!
---greg on 5/2/08

Operator, by definition a tithe is not free will giving.
---Ryan_Z on 5/2/08

No one should be judged by how much they give in the offering bucket. That is wrong. That is judgemental and playing favorites. That is not from God.
I don't go to church to see who tithe and who does not. That is between them and God.
---Robyn on 5/2/08

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Operator: That is not what tithing means. If you really love the Lord ,why not give your whole check to the church every time you are paid? Don't just give a measly 10%. Surely God is worth nmore than that to you. I am sure your pastor love members like yourself.
---Robyn on 5/2/08

Church Tithe means FREELY GIVING WITH LOVE AND WITH ALL YOUR HEART WILLINGLY..we tithe willingly and NO WE DONT CREATE FEAR IN PEOPLE as Lee falsely preach..dont tell us what to do Lee? We love the Lord so much that we give back a portion of what we owe is up to give or not to give..
---operator on 5/2/08

No! We pay tithe because God has given us so much and we want to help others. Look God gives us so much and there are others out there that will and can benifit from it. And to me i don't think it matters if you give it to your church. You can use it to buy bibles to send to less fortunate countries. You can use it to feed the poor As long as it goes to God's works.Give your tithes so only the father knows what you do. Do not give so others may look upon you with good eyes, they matter not.
---Ramona on 4/29/08

Bill B, I pray with you that we will will all have the same mind and heart in Jesus' love.
---SusieQ on 4/25/08

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Bless you Alan.
---SusieQ on 4/25/08

SusieQ It has alwsys been thus.
I have collected for a charitiy round houses.
Guess which homes rush round finding all their loose change
Guess in which homes they hide behand the curtains as they see us come
---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08

There are poor people at our church that sometimes have to go to the food bank. But many of these poor people are more generous with what they have than we who are better off.
---SusieQ on 4/25/08

"Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all

speak the same thing

and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment." (1 Corinthians 1:10)

This Paul wrote to *Corinthians*, so this can be expected (o: With God, we can do this easily and breezily and beautifully (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/25/08

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Jesus told US to be of The SAME Heart ,Mind & Soul, Not everyone having their OWN thoughts!
The Word IS to be Established by 2 or 3 people who have read it, Just like if we have a Bro. that has a problem, take him to the Church, SO EVERY Word may be Established and the truth be known.
The Word, IS what it IS, NOT to be Shredded by people who haven't read it ALL.
WOULD you let a Doc. operate on you IF he hadn't read the WHOLE Manuel & was just going to Guess on certain Procedures?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/25/08

anomous - nice try at a gross distortion but it will not fit.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

Those that peddle the gospel in teaching a church tithe create in people a picture of an angry God in the sky ready to punish one for any infraction.

Those that know the Lord fear Him in the sense that one would fear a loaded gun. But God is true to His word.
---lee on 4/25/08

I feel we should all respect each other's beliefs. Then there will be better getting along on the blog. No question is stupid and everyone has a right to believe what they want. Whether right or wrong. We should do everything in love. Some topics are more debatable than others but we have no right to disrespect someone else's opinions. The tongue is a small member of the body but can and does, great damage. Christians beware!
---Robyn on 7/21/07

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