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If I Fell Off Of A Wagon

If I fell off of a wagon, blacked out and got killed in a car wreck, not having the chance to ask for forgiveness, would I go to hell? And if so what would that say about the finality of Christs sacrifice on the cross?

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 ---douglas on 1/25/06
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Oh for goodness sakes. You people are so funny till it's not funny. Always stay prayed up and you will have nothing to worry about.>>>Provided, got to add this, just got to, you belong to God in the first place.
---catherine on 11/5/07

No you would not go to hell if you were already saved. Some think that if we die with one sin not confessed we are hell bound. If that were so, how could ANYONE ever say that they were saved? 'Saved' does not mean just for today or immediately after I've confessed. It does not mean saved until our next bad thought. It means saved from the moment we accept our own sinfulness and Jesus' sacrifice which has PAID for those sins IN FULL. Jesus makes no down payment with the rest to come later.
---M.P. on 11/5/07

IF you have accepted Christ as your personal Saviour and are killed because of drunkedness, you'd still go to hevan. You salvation does NOT depend on what you do, it's a gift. It's unconditional - which means it isn't dependant on what you do or don't do. Getting hit by a car may be the consequences of your sin - but has no effect on your salvation.
---WIVV on 2/21/06

Exactly Douglas, a demon went out of a man, why because God lived there and he cleaned his house, the demon seen that it was swept clean, when he seen the house not spotless anymore he and 7 of his buddies came back into that house, meaning that person lost what they had with God. God said himself that his spirit will not always strive with man. I know a person whom was filled with the Holy Ghost, now she isn't. God doesn't dwell in her house no more, so therefore she lost what she had (her salvation).
---Rebecca_D on 1/30/06

Rebecca , Learn to study the context of the scriptures you are using before using them. In Luke 11 it is talking about a demon being driven out and coming back , in Hebrews the word/statement "fall away" means to apostatize. If a person should apostatize I would really question whether they were saved to start with. I do not disregard the old testament but neither do I or any other christian live under the old covenent.
---douglas on 1/30/06

Douglas, you said there were no verses saying that one can't lose their salvation, here they are, Heb 6:4, Lu 11:21-26, Rev 2:26, (all will not be overcomers), Ex 32:32,33, Ps 69:28, these verses proves that God can blot out a person's name out of the book of life.
---Rebecca_D on 1/28/06

3. of the Holy Spirit to direct men into right living. They say, "We must interpret God's principles for them and then force them to obey for their own good. So they get a few Scriptures and totally agnore the rest of Scripture to prove a point. UNBELIEF is what they have. No faith in the Holy Spirit working in a persons life but still working on their own works without God, trying their best to be good and sinless, but in time they will fail.
---Lupe2618 on 1/28/06

2. We live in a sinful world as Christians and during our life's we will struggle but now we have Christ to help us. People that think they are sinless are legalist. They tend to be in an unfortunate and enslaving system because they fear that if God's principles are not replaced with rigid rules, men will agnore what God said and run wildly to sin. In other words, the rules are an attempt to force people to do what is right. The key problem, then, is UNBLIEF-legalist do not believe in the power
---Lupe2618 on 1/28/06

Douglas, the problem with brothers and sisters that think they can lose something that was given to them free is that that they want to add their works into it. Justification by works. They are what Phil-the-Elder calls "Selfdeterminist". Eloy, though is different, then others, for he thinks he is without sin even though the Bible states very clearly "all have sinned" If we say we are without sin we are calling God a liar.
---Lupe2618 on 1/28/06

douglas, you do not know the scriptures, for in both the O.T. and in the N.T. speak of backsliding and losing your salvation. Ezekiel 18:24-32; 33:12-20; Matthew 12:43-44; Luke 11:24-26; II Peter 2:20-22.
---Eloy on 1/27/06

Eloy, Yes I agree, sinners do not get into heaven, but they are the sinners that refuse to confess their sins and accept Jesus. The whole point to my question (tongue in cheek) was to try and get a scriptural answer for why people seem to think they can lose their salvation. Alot of people on this site believe they can but yet there is no scripture for it
---douglas on 1/27/06

douglas, Jesus is in heaven= Luke 24:51-53; Acts 1:11. Sinners go to hell= Daniel 12:2; Matthew 25:41-46; Revelation 20:12-15; 21:8. Sin and Sinners cannot enter into heaven= John 8:21; Revelation 21:27. Appointed to die= Hebrews 9:27,28.
---Eloy on 1/27/06

"I am going away, and you will look for me, but you will die in your sins. You cannot come where I am going." "He isn't going to kill himself, is he? Is that why he said, 'You cannot come where I am going'?""You are from below, I am from above. You are of this world, but I am not of this world. That is why I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins."
Are these the verses , if so it is out of context?
---douglas on 1/27/06

Eloy, what is the reference that you mentioned. I cant seem to find it in the online strongs. Thankyou
---douglas on 1/27/06

I never said you had a grudge against anyone. I was saying there could be other things hidden in a person's life/heart other than grudges. You said that a person can hold a grudge against someone and still make it to heaven, I was just proven you wrong by scriptures.
---Rebecca_D on 1/27/06

Rebecca. I am not afraid to ask the Lord to search my heart, I do on a regular basis I know who i am in Him and i am secure in my salvation. For you to make such a bold assumption (when you dont personally know me) that I have a grudge against someone is not for you to do. Christ saved me by grace through faith because I could'nt save myself, and I will not try to maintain that FREE GIFT by works as I would then be trying to earn salvation, something that I already have.
---douglas on 1/27/06

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Jesus said, If you die in your sins, you will go to hell. period. And let me also say, If you die in holiness, you will go to heaven. period. Usually the dead do not get a second chance, for it is not very often that God permits the dead person to resurrect again for a second chance to live a righteous life, though it does happen sometimes.
---Eloy on 1/27/06

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, I am the Lord. James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethen, lest ye be condemned behold the judge standeth before the door. Ps 139:23 Search me O God and know my heart, try me, and know my thoughts. Read all of Ps ch 139. I do believe your afraid to sincerly asked God to search your heart.
---Rebecca_D on 1/26/06

Gal 3:3...having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain." Even if I do have a grudge against a person that will not prevent or jepordize my salvation. We know that by the law we are all condemed and no one can fullfil the law. If I cant get to heaven by works and Christ saved me by faith how am I to maintain my salvation? Its not possible, or else His sacrifice is not complete.
---douglas on 1/26/06

Douglas, you have to remember that Jesus wasn't around when Job was here, Job had to sacrifice an animal, because he didn't know Jesus. A person can have a grudge against someone and not realize it. Believe me I know. David asked God to search his heart to see if he had anything in his heart that was or is unpleasing to God. Try asking God to search your heart. There might be something against someone that you don't know about.
---Rebecca_D on 1/26/06

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If you haven't accepted Jesus as your savior, you will go to hell. Your church membership, good deeds, or anything else can't save you from your sins. Only Jesus Christ can pay for your sins. You aren't guaranteed you will be alive 5 minutes from now, so now is a great time to accept Jesus as your Savior.
---wes on 1/25/06

If my life is right with God it is right. How then can any unrepented sin prevent a person from heaven, that would imply that they were Not right. Luther used to pray for sins that he Might have commited. Just in case. He finally came to understand justification through the teaching of the scripture by the Spirits illumination. I am starting to think most people do not understand their justification and standing in the Lords sight
---douglas on 1/25/06

I am only looking for peoples answers to try and understand why they think scripturally that it is up to us to maintain our salvation. There have been too many answers that I have read where that imlication is being made.
Job prayed for his family incase THEY had unconfessed sin. The old testament required animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin, not simply faith in Christ Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour.
---douglas on 1/25/06

If your life was right with God before you fell off the wagen, then no you wouldn't go to hell. but if a person has ANY unrepented sin in their life, they won't make it to heaven. That is why Job prayed to God to forgive him, "just in case" he may have said something or done something out of the will of God.
---Rebecca_D on 1/25/06

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First things first, the finality of Christ sacrificed on the cross was complete and and finished once and for all. Whether or not you would go to hell depends upon whether or not you are saved before you fell off the wagon, blacked out and got killed by a car.
---mima on 1/25/06

Are we to understand that you were a christian or not at the time you got killed?
---Bruce5656 on 1/25/06

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