I am deeply sorry, Callie. I, too, believe your husband is at peace now. I have some personal struggles with mental illness and there have been times I wanted to cut my wrists to relieve pain--it was sick and thank God I got better. Very grateful to God to this day.
---Mary on 5/29/09|
I am a widow of a wonderful husband that was a christian. He battled with physical pain so bad at times all he could do was cry. In his last yr he had two surgeries. Knee replacement and rotator cuff surgery, some of the most painful, and migraines. The night before he committed suicide, he prayed with me and was the most loving man I have ever met. I believe he is in heaven today with all my heart and no one can take that feeling away. God is real and an understanding God. Does not mean it's okay, there is help but for some that go thru with it, they are sick very sick and do go to heaven if saved.
---Callie on 5/27/09|
Anne -- I remember this song. Too bad Annie couldn't tell anyone how she felt. Then she could have been helped.
If you have lost a friend or family member to suicide, you know how you torture yourself with the questions, "Should I have seen this coming?" "Were there clues that I missed". "Could I have prevented this?"
Often someone who is suicidal works hard to cover up their true feelings. Often the cover-up is very successful. If you suspect someone my be suicidal, it doesn't hurt to ask, directly "have you ever thought of hurting yourself?"
But don't beat yourself up if someone close to you decides on suicide. Tragic as it was, THEY made the choice.
---Donna66 on 4/28/09|
No one ever noticed Annie weeping
People all around, but she was all alone
Mama's got her meetings, Daddy's got his job
and no one's got the time so Annie's on her own...
No one ever knew her desperation
People couldn't hear her cry out silently,
Locked inside the bathroom
she grabs a jar of pills...
The medicine that cures,
Becomes the poison that kills.
And its~ too late for Annie, she's gone away for good...
There's so much we could tell her,
Now we wish we could...
We would tell her Jesus loves her,
Tell her Jesus cares...
Tell her He can free her,
And her burdens bear.
Annie could be next to you...
Wise beautiful lyrics by the band Petra
song title: 'For Annie'
---Anne on 4/28/09|
As Christians we live in the grace of God each day. As Christians we also die in that grace, whether by our own hand or not. It is a misunderstanding of this grace to believe that you have to ask forgiveness for every sin you have committed before you die. For example if you die in a car crash and were envying someone elses job (a sin) just before you hit the pole, you don't go to hell. In the same way just because you can't ask forgiveness for suicide (a sin), you live your days, as all of us do in the grace of God. The evidense of God's Spirit within us is loving others, being patient and kind...and this type of thing desperately needs that. Depression is hell on earth, biological and requires treatment with medication and therapy.
---nt86 on 4/28/09|
Gordon here is why I believe like I do.
The witch recognized what came up as being Samuel.
Saul recognized what came up as Samuel.
The way Samuel frames his question,
"Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up?" Indicates that he was resting and we are certain no devils or demonic spirits are resting.
---mima on 3/16/09|
Gordon, here is the story.
Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.
And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.
And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up, and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.
and Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered" to be continued
---mima on 3/16/09|
Mima, GOD forbids any dealings with the occult by His people. Consulting witches were forbidden throughout Israel during king Saul's reign. When Saul consulted the witch of Endor, he opened the door to Satan. GOD is not the author of Evil. I don't believe GOD would have raised up Samuel from the Dead to speak to Saul, for that would've given the impression that consulting witches was okay with GOD. I believe that the "Samuel" that arose was a Demon disguised as Samuel. Demons have that power. The devils could've had Saul killed the next day, as was "foretold", for Saul forsook GOD's Counsel, and gave Satan a big foothold in his life through pride, jealousy and hatred. GOD allowed the whole thing to happen as Judgment on Saul.
---Gordon on 3/16/09|
Thank you, Sis. Catherine, for your kind words. And, Amen! To thanking JESUS (YAHUSHUA)! He is indeed worthy of our thanks. We can be like the 10th leper that came back to YAHUSHUA, and on his knees, thanked the LORD for His Kindness.
---Gordon on 3/16/09|
Dana, thank you for your statement, it was very well said.
---MarkV. on 3/15/09|
I'm sorry, maybe I should clarify. I've never attempted suicide. I'm a survivor of suicide because my son's father committed suicide. I went to preachers about whether or not he went to heaven. I got different answers. But if you read the scripture I referenced before, the only sin that is not forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and that's what I believe. The only way that I believe that someone goes to hell after committing suicide is if he or she was never saved in the first place.
---Torrey on 3/14/09|
Many people steal from God and persecute God and he suffers violence, but God turns the other cheek when struck because he is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance and be saved. God says: Mock me, beat me, spit on me, kill me, nail me up for all the world to see: but I even I am your Maker and I will indeed get back up, I will put me on new flesh, and ascend to my heaven, and then will I return again to judge my earth, and give each one according to their ways whether good or bad. For will you know O clay, that the life of every soul is in my hand: I speak and the world stands, I speak again and the world is no more, I alone am the Almighty and there is none else besides me, says the Lord God Jesus Christ.
---Eloy on 3/14/09|
Nothing that is God's can be taken from him. If this person was a christian, then they belonged to God. Suicide is a horrible thing affecting many many families today. It is so sad that so many feel they have no where else to turn, when our heavenly Father is there just waiting for them to turn to Him. Working in the mental health field, I see all sorts of mental illness that rob people of their lives each day. They struggle continually with an illness that society does not understand and apparently feels like it is something they can catch. When witnessing be compassionate and empathetic to this young mans pain while pointing him to our loving Father.
---Dana on 3/13/09|
Angie:- The commandment of God says "Thou shalt not Kill"IF YOU BREAK GODS LAW YOU CONDEMN YOURSELF TO HELL.End of story,God does not send anyone to Hell They (people) send themselves by disobeying Him and by their action.No one has the right to take a life not even your own.The truth is always the best.But he can pray.God knows things we do not know.
---MIC on 3/13/09|
The prophet Samuel told Saul that God say's that "this day you & your sons shall be with me" (Sounds like he made it to me), Because I know Samuel wasn't in Hell, but in a place of rest.
Saul killed himself with his own sword that day, ARE you saying that Sauls not at rest with Samuel as Samuel said God said it would be?
Man's Judgment depends on whats written in the little books, there is NO HOPE for those who deny Yahshua/Jesus is the Son of God,
There is NO HOPE for those who blaspheme God, But ALL other sins shall be forgiven men.
Have you not read this before?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 3/13/09|
Excellent work Gordon!!!!!Thank you Jesus.
---catherine on 3/13/09|
Do people who commit suicide go to hell?
Well we know that Saul committed suicide.
Yet we also know that the prophet Samuel told Saul the night before the battle that he(Saul) and his sons would be with him(Samuel).
So the question becomes this, do you believe the prophet Samuel was called up from hell are paradise(heaven)
---mima on 3/13/09|
Suicide is self-murder. To murder someone, even if it's your own self, is still murder, and therefore, still a sin. All sin leads to Death, if unrepented of. And, someone who kills themselves cannot repent of something that results in their own death. For, then it's too late to repent. (Though GOD could bring them back, for a 'second chance', but, that is NEVER to be presumed upon by anyone. Those kind of things happen only at GOD's Personal Discretion!) And, neither can they "repent beforehand" of suicide, because if they were REALLY repentant "beforehand", they wouldn't really follow through with the act of suicide. Suicide is just plain wrong, and never in GOD's Will. Suicide leads to HELL.
---Gordon on 3/13/09|
You must be honest! What ever tone of voice God may give you in any particular situation, and it may not always be sweet. People down here has the wrong perception about Jesus Christ. Pleaseee. Tell the loved one left behind in this terrible world, that you are sorry, but the Ten Commandments are God's laws and one of them is, "Thy shalt not KILL". And that no one can ask God for forgiveness and go right ahead and do the act. AND THERE WILL BE NO UNFORGIVEN SIN ENTERING INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Ask the loved one left behind if he or she would like for you to pray for their salvation? This blog has nothing to do with self-defence or the act of war, which would be another entire different subject.
---catherine on 3/13/09|
As a result of this fallen world, many people who are born good, cannot abide in this world. They take this difficult route out of it because they cannot cope with the evil in the world. In my humble opinion, the vast majority of suicides go to be with God because God sees that they were not suited to such an evil place as this world. A lot of suicides were actually murders, and it is almost impossible to get to the truth of any event due, again, to the corruption in high places.
---frances008 on 3/12/09|
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Torrey, Thanks for speaking up. A person who has never felt hopeless enough to consider suicide, cannot understand where you have been. Thank God you survived. He understood...and He gave you another chance!
---Donna66 on 3/12/09|
Sue: If a person tries to take their life and does not succeed, and they realized what they have done by the Lord opening their eyes, then yes their is forgiveness from God. But if one tries to take their life and does succeed, their is NO forgiveness after that. Because once they are dead, they can't go back to God to ask forgiveness.
Torrey: God has given you a second chance to live and live for Christ. He saved you from the dark hole you were in. He saved you from going into hell, he reached down and took your arm and saved you from hell. God gave you a second chance. God doesn't tell us we have numerous chances, because he said live for today as if it were our last. We will see him when we least expect him.
---Rebecca_D on 3/12/09|
I am a survivor of suicide. Initially, I blamed myself and so did others. I had some priests and preachers tell me it was forgiveable and others said it wasn't. Read Mat 12:31. The real question is, was she saved?
---Torrey on 3/12/09|
At 5 foot 11 and 244 pounds I've got plenty of trouble.
---mima on 3/12/09|
If a person goes to hell for suicide do they also go to hell if they die FAT? Because lots of people die from being too fat from a heart attack or whatever, so I hope all those people repent before their heart attacks.
---sue on 3/11/09|
The Bible is very clear, when you die with sin you go to hell, and when you die without sin you go to heaven. Suicide is wrong. And God knows whether or not the girl friend was mentally impaired and ill to the point that she was not able to distinguish right from wrong.
---Eloy on 3/11/09|
Our bodies are not ours but is the temple of God so whatever we do with it shows how much we appreciate God. I know only God will be the final judge of where we end up in but I do believe that those who commit suicide will go to hell.Please keep in mind that God gave you that breath of life and hence he is the only one who will take it back.Suicide is never a solution to any problem.Just keep praying and have faith in God and as his word says that all things work together for the good of those that love him..thanx
---Laisani on 3/9/09|
David, you're not the only believer out there with suicidal thoughts. I haven't been allowed to see my two oldest sons since thanksgiving of 2001. My entire family rejected me because of my faith in Christ. My mother has tried to have me hospitalized 3 times. I've been homeless, robbed at gun point, falsely accused and jumped. I've lost everything, and now I'm on the verge of being homeless again, but God isn't done with me yet. Usually when you're going through the fire in a valley as a believer, it means that Jesus is preparing us for the mountain top. It's spiritual warfare, David. My cousin gave up on that battle this past year and through himself in front of an 18 wheeler. Don't let the devil win, David! Trust the Lord like Job!
---Bryan on 2/6/09|
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Mima ... Have you suffered clinical depression.
Just wondering what qualifications you have as to how people can react whilee they are so suffering.
---alan_of_UK on 11/19/08|
To--- David, do you think God knows your situation? Reasonable men realize that suicide is unreasonable. A spirit causing Great Depression is upon you. So what can you do now?
First you can praise the Lord. You're already in the situation you are in and under that spirit of depression you're under. Recognizing your condition can you muster up the courage to praise God for your condition as it exists right now. My prayer for you is that you will openly with purpose and intent praise the Lord for your condition. If the Lord inhabits the praises of his people then your praises will bring the Lord into the battle on your side. May God richly richly bless you!!!
Lean on God he can stand the pressure.
---mima on 11/19/08|
Like NurseRoberts said we should not stand in judgment of others, we need to be compassionate first, and leave the judging to God. When Satan wants to attack us in various ways, just as Satan attacked Job (losing possessions and family, losing health, dealing with rude/judgmental friends, thoughts of longing for death etc.), we need to remember that in the end, Job always sought out God for strength and wisdom. God is always there for us, even in our darkest hours, and just like Job, with God's strength and guidance, we can carry on.
---Anne on 11/19/08|
To me it seems a terrible sin because the Bible says though shall not kill and you're killing yourself but on the other hand if you're mentally ill I don't think God would hold you resposible.It is hard to know.God has created in us such a desire for life.
---shirley on 11/18/08|
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First, how do you tell if it was suicide and not poisoning with pharmaceuticals for depression or Attention Deficit Disorder? How do you know if it was not an accident? How do you know for sure that it was not murder made to look like a suicide? How do you know if they were mentally stable and not disturbed by some trauma. When you have all the facts you can guess what God will decide. Only God has all the facts. If someone does commit suicide due to depression, I suspect God will judge the people who caused that person to be depressed. The suicided people go to HEAVEN. Sorry to disappoint those who would love humans to go to Hell.
---frances008 on 11/18/08|
most likely go to hell
After choosing to destroy the temple of God- your body is not your own, You were bought with a price.
We are to fulfill God's purpose for our life on earth, until God chooses it is over.
I pray for all people contemplating suicide right now. I pray God intervene and save them from destroying the life God gave them.
---paul on 11/18/08|
God can't forgive a dead person
---Rebecca_D on 8/29/08
Why do you insist on putting limits on God? God can do anything. Only God knows what was in the heart of the person committing suicide and it is up to gGod to decide punishment or not.
Where is your compassion?
---NurseRobert on 11/18/08|
So many of the people responding have not or don't have suicidal thoughts. If you don't know what you are talking about maybe you should only say that you'll pray. Suicide is not something I just decided on on a whim. I have thought and PRAYED about for a long time. For me there is not a, why kill myself but why not. I have been in physical pain now for over 8 years and the medications no longer help. Plus my wife and children tell me they don't want me around. I have given all I can so now is the time to get up or shut up.
---David on 11/18/08|
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The only person to commit suicide and lose salvation,is Judas. Jesus plainly tells us that it was better that this man had never been born!.Saul,the first king of Israel fell on his sword and begged someone to finish the job.I do not believe that suicide is a sin,nor does one go to eternal Gehenna fire for doing it.God is understanding and merciful.Saul will rise again.Judas will be eternally lost!
---Danelle on 9/28/08|
This post is 2 years old .Much water has flowed under the archway of the bridge of Observation.But the truth is Suicide stems from HOPELESSNESS-NO HOPE ,Give up,it is IMHO a Judas, sin of betrayal of oneself to Hope ie caused by what we term today as DEPRESSION.GOD IS HOPE and you refuse the creator of His mercy.which in short is You disassociate your self from GOD.If so,who has claim to your soul?when you say God you cannot help me.
---MIC on 9/26/08|
Danelle: God is everywhere and around everyone. Help from God is available only if a person is willing to call upon his name and accept help from God. God can't help someone who doesn't want help. No matter what a person goes through with God is there, waiting patiently to be called upon. Suicide is not a way out and most certainly not an option. Jesus Christ is the only way out of torture. Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy, and he does do that while walking to and fro upon the earth. Suicide is total separation from God. Once a person takes their life there is no turning back and re-doing it. There is no place like purgatory for them to go until they cleanse themselves. People who commit suicide will wake up in hell.
---Rebecca_D on 9/26/08|
Alan of the UK,there are many reasons a person can not hack thier way through life.It just beats them down.I heard of a woman who was under attack by occult spirits to the extent that she starved herself to death because she could not stand the torture.There was no one who could help her.Many of the Jews in the concentration camps,chose this way out.I hate to admit it,but there are times when suicide is the only option.Unless the Jews brought a curse upon themselves by asking that the blood of the Lamb be uon them,I can not explain the Holocaust.God help me, but I just CAN'T! But, I do not believe that suicide means eternal seperation from God!
---Danelle on 9/26/08|
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If our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts and knows everything. "The thief (Satan) comes only to steal, slaughter, and destroy. Jesus said "I have come that they may have life, and have it abundantly." he wants us to love our neighbors as we ought to love ourselves.
If depression is present, ask the Lord to break any curse that might have entered in through the blood line. Repent, choose God, and life and allow him to daily help you. He did it for me, although I did die...in the flesh. As far as those who commit suicide i can't say, find out the reason (source) why they want to do it and give it to Jesus and get counceling.
---Bian on 9/24/08|
Well, suicides don't just happen, out of nowhere. Choices are made, which prepare a person. And those choices are preparing a person to go to hell, or to spend eternity with Jesus and us. Suicide is an end-point choice, then, of one's preparation for where one is going to spend eternity. Do "the math". If you are sinning, that wrong spirit of sin is degrading you to get weaker and more and more broken down so you get worse enough to decide there is no one worth staying here on earth to love. A very tragic choice to make. We selfishly love, and selfish love of using people for what we want will make us able to sin and deeply suffer. Only God's love can make us deeply sound and stable in peace and joy.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/30/08|
Suicide is wrong and a sin in God's eyes. God can't forgive a dead person, because once they are dead they can't ask for forgiveness. You die lost, you'll be raised lost you die with Christ, you'll be raised with Christ. Suicide is killing one's self and the bible plainly says thou shalt not kill. So how can suicide not be wrong? Many people don't want to accept that the ones that committed suicide are in hell and will not go to heaven. It doesn't work that way. Our lives are not ours to take by no means. That's God's job.
---Rebecca_D on 8/29/08|
Actually the only unforgivable sin is not rejecting Jesus but attributing the acts of the Holy Spirit to Satan. Either the acts of the Holy Spirit are of God or of Satan and that is the unforgivable sin. Suicide is no more unforgivable than any other sin. The RCC is the group that made suicide unforgivable. If you cant find it in scripture then it is of man.
---Brooks on 8/28/08|
Matt 17:15-"Lord, have mercy on my son," he said. "He has seizures and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water." Suicide is a very selfish act, which can possibly lead to seizures. This is one's way of getting attention. There are many other spirits associated with the spirit of suicide, like bitterness, anger, hate, jealousy and so on. It may be from something that someone has done against ones will. Repent and ask for forgiveness for the violator (if one) and for yourself for your thoughts, this was the key in helping me to overcome these spirits. With Jesus all things are possible! He is the way, the truth and the life!
---Believer on 8/28/08|
The bible says that the only way to heaven is by accepting Jesus Christ as our savior. Once we are in heaven by accepting Jesus Christ as our savior then we have to give an account to God for everything we did on earth, good and bad, and are judged accordingly.
The only way someone goes to hell is by not accepting Jesus Christ as their savior.
---Nicholas on 8/26/08|
Suicide is always wrong. It is always an irrational act, something that is not normal. As to whether people who commit suicide go to hell or heaven would depend on that person's condition (saved or lost) before the act of suicide.
---mima on 9/1/07|
All I can say about suicide is this- I love God and his son Jesus and believe that they can change all things, but change takes time in most cases. Unfortunately, suicide is a permanent solution to what is probably only a temporary problem.
If you have depression or are going through a depressing situation I suggest you simply get alone with God and ask him to help in finding a Christian counselor.
---John on 1/6/07|
It seems to me, that with 6.5 billion people on earth, there are bound to be some people for which this life just isn't a good fit. For example, I have a difficult time understanding why people want to work 8-9 hours a day... for 20+ years. However, unless you're a house wife or lottery winner, work is something we all have to do. What about those who find it difficult or unenjoyable to work?
---Ryan on 12/25/06|
In order for anybody here to condemn all suicides, you'd have to have perfect knowledge of the intention, circumstances and the person. If you do not, then you simply cannot judge. Only God can do this. HE is also outside of time. It is the heart and intention behind the act that condemns a person. There are mitigating circumstances that can save a person's soul, even in the last moments. Let's not judge.
---Rebecca on 6/7/06|
Or the agent in enemy hands who bites the poison capsule to avoid torture and the certain betrayal of his comrades?
Carlos, there are not many here who maintain that suicides are necessarily bound to hell.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/18/06|
.. or soldiers who fall on a grenade to save their buddies? You can qualify that all you want, but the fact remains they all committed suicide.
"Whosoever dies in My name will live forever". What if people commit suicide so that Satan can no longer have them? How do we know that the girl was not being physically violated and felt so ashamed and dirty that she could not handle it? Would our loving God condemn her for that? None of you are in any position to judge.
---Carlos on 4/18/06|
The Bible says there is only (1) one unforgivable sin .. the sin of rejecting Him. The Bible references people who have committed suicide but makes no mention of what happens spiritually when you commit suicide.
In one case, a man intentionally falls on his sword. In another, almost any entire city commits suicide to prevent falling into the hands of their enemies as their city fell. The Bible is full of stories of people who intentionally allowed themselves to be killed in God's name.
---Carlos on 4/18/06|
Jenna, I'm a Christian who suffered from depression. I'm now on medication and am fine. Get to a doctor and keep praying. God doesn't want you to be hurting, He loves you and wants you to be happy. He never gives us more than we can handle. Ask God to remove those thoughts that come from satan. Rebuke satan for his evil playing with you. Run to God, Jenna.
---Nellah on 3/26/06|
#2- Jenna-- if you want to, you can e-mail me. Donna 2277 is my penpal name. I am praying for you!
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06|
Jenna-- you need to get help! And to do that you need to tell somebody about the thoughts you are having. Are you afraid that you will be judged? Do you think your pastor would be someone you can trust? Feeling suicidal doesn't mean you are bad, crazy, flawed or even not a good Christian. It only means you are having pain you don't know how to cope with. Pray, yes! But also, PLEASE, contact somebody for help.
---Donna2277 on 3/25/06|
Thank you Rebecca, I also wondered if you were saying it thinking that it was in the bible. Many people actually do think that it is part of scripture. I agree absolutely with your explanation of why you use it and don't believe that we should expect God to help us in matters where we are not prepared to do the ground work for ourselves. Of course, there are times when we have to rely on Him 100% because we are totally helpless.
---emg on 3/25/06|
Emg; think about it. If you don't help yourself, then how can God help you? Meaning if you need a job, but you don't do anything to find a job, but keep asking God why you can't find a job. It is because you haven't looked for one and therefor if you would do your part on helping yourself find a job, then God will do his part on helping you find a good job. My Pastor says this phrase all the time and it makes sense. However some believe I found it in the bible, and I didn't.
---Rebecca_D on 3/24/06|
suicide is clearly wrong. it is killing ones self which is also killing.it is written thou shall not kill..
---osaye on 3/24/06|
Jenna ... go on praying & talking to God about this, and also listening to him.
But friends can help as well. Don't be afraid to tell them.
---alan_of_uK on 3/24/06|
Rebecca D where did you find this phrase? 'God helps those who help themselves.'? It's amazing how many people quote those words.
---emg on 3/24/06|
Rebecca D. speak plain, do you think a suicide goes to hell? Think before you answer.
---Thomas on 3/24/06|
I AM a christian and when I am w/ my church family I am so happy, but when I am not w/ them I can't help but to have suicide thoughts. I am so depressed and everything makes me want to die!I love my God very much I know what he did for us yet still sometimes I pray for him to take my life!I don't know what to do!I pray to him every night about it and I am to scared to tell anybody!What should I do?
---Jenna on 3/21/06|
Back to witnessing to the 17 yr. old whose friend committed suicide--One important thing is to assure him it was in no way HIS FAULT. After any death people wonder, "if only I had...Maybe if I hadn't..." It's even more so after a suicide.
Make plain that it was her decision; he could not have prevented it.
He may also express anger at her for causing others such pain. Listen kindly, but avoid placing any blame. When has been able to talk it out, he may be ready to hear the Gospel.
---Donna on 3/17/06|
in the day of the Lord Jesus is a pretty good indicator that Father God still considers a man His child even though the flesh be destroyed. When it all comes down to it, anything we do that is destructive to the body, is considered as self-destructive and suicidal whether that destruction manifests immediately or over a period of years.
---Paulie on 3/17/06|
"To anyone, I recall Paul saying he turned two men over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their spirit might be saved at the appearance of Jesus. Comment on this one anyone."
This has a lot to do with the question that was asked because it has to do with what God looks at when a person is sinning. He is still looking on the heart, not the acts, and His very counsel to deliver a man up to satan for the DESTRUCTION of the FLESH, that the SPIRIT may be SAVED....cont
---Paulie on 3/17/06|
The Prophet Jonah and Elijah were suicidal. I've thought about it before when all hope seemed lost. I've recovered and now have a lovely wife and two children. At the very first thought of suicide, one should sorround himself with loved ones, or seek out a loving church (not a condemnatory one). Check out all suicide cases, the devil boxes one into a lonely corner and pumps him full of lies. After this, its only a matter of time ...
---esan on 3/17/06|
Rebecca, Are you saying that suicidal people don't pray? Most people have prayed a whole lot before they got to the point of killing themselves! But they have exhausted all faith and all hope. There is this terrible delusion that seems SO REAL (a lie of satan)
that things will NEVER get better, that everyone would be better off without them. Depression saps all one's energy...there is no way to climb out of the hole. That's why these people need HELP.
---Donna on 3/17/06|
Wayne ... are you a Christian? It worries me when you say "all you self-righteous Christians" If you look around in previous blogs, you will find many which discuss suicide, and mental illness, and you will find a lot of Christians there who acknowledge that many commit suicide whilst they are so mentally disturbed by depression or someother illness, that they are not intheir right mind.
---alan_of_uK on 3/17/06|
I would like to think that the people who kill themselves are not okay in heart and mind. I do think there is many ways people kill themseves (drugs, not eating, eating, drinking,sex,driving 100 miles an hour....smoking). We love and we try and we pray for help. We belive. Right????
---Alexandra on 3/16/06|
Satan has caused some, not all people to be sick, (mentaly ill). Thomas; what is your comment have to do with the question that was asked?
---Rebecca_D on 3/16/06|
To anyone, I recall Paul saying he turned two men over to satan for the destruction of the flesh so that their spirit might be saved at the appearance of Jesus. Comment on this one anyone.
---Thomas on 3/16/06|
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To all you self rightous christians who think that mental illness is not as real as physical illness, you need to get more educated, then repent of that thinking.
your tongue will snare you.
---wayne on 2/25/06|
We have an understanding God, yes but what he doesn't understand is why a person won't call upon him when they are in need? He told us that he will never leave us or forsake us, but people don't call upon him for help, so God can't help the unwilling. God helps those who help themselves. The dead know nothing, so therefore the dead can't ask God to forgive them of killing themselves, because they are dead.
---Rebecca_D on 1/28/06|
Many suicides happen when people have lost all hope in fighting a losing battle, and lose any desire to continue in their suffering. At this depth of depression no power of will exists to fight off the thought of suicide, instead the more the thought comes the more it seems like the perfect solution and morally right thing to do- the suicidal thinks that at least their suffering and misery would end when dead. If the suicide is able to ask forgiveness with their dying words, God may make them better.
---Eloy on 1/28/06|