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Who Is The United Reform Church

If the United Reform Church disbelieve the divinity of Jesus, what are they worshiping? How can the other scriptures hold truth for them? Do they believe Jesus was mortal?

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The urc is another offspring church from the Man - made trin - rcc that Is here Prov.14 v 12, Matt.15 v's 9 & 14, Mark 7 v's 7 & 9 & came from here 2nd.Cor.4 v 4 & 11 v's 14 - 15, Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.

They Need the salvation of God, Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20.
---Lawrence on 7/15/10

Who said the United Reform Church did not believe in the divinity of Jesus? They certainly do.
The URC is the result of the joining together decades ago of two denominations, the Congregational Church and the Presbyterian Church. It is a very mainstream Trinitarian church.
Are you sure you are not confusing this church with the Unitarians?
---alan8869_of_UK on 12/9/07

Yes, I'm sure the closure is just temporary for updating perhaps. But I'm glad that it was or I might still be confused. "Congregational" actually refers to a type of church government. The American "Congregationalists" and "Unitarians" both came from the early Puritans that settled our N.E. coast (which is still called New England). Maybe that explains why our Congregational Church took a course so different from the one in the U.K. (if they were ever relatated at all).
---Donna on 3/15/06

Donna ... glad you have found out about the URC, & sorted the confusion. I hasve tried the urc site, and yes it is closed!! Maybe hust for an update ... I cannot see why it shpould be closed down on a permanent basis. The local URC church here is alive and kicking and adheres to standard Christian doctrine. The main difference is in system of church government. Sadly though they are liberal on the matter of gay marriage.
---alan_of_uK on 3/15/06

Alan, the site you named is closed down today.. checked an online encyclopedia. We ARE talking about 2 VERY DIFFERENT CHURCES. You are correct about the URC! I learned that in the UK, in 1972, the Congregationalists and Presbyterians joined to form the URC. In the US, the already liberal Congregationalists joined a couple of unorthodox denominations in 1957 to become UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST. It was the history that had me confused and I got the wrong name. So sorry if I've caused others confusion, too.
---Donna on 3/15/06

Donna ... Which is the site you visited? All my quotes of the URC statement fo belief came directly from the site urc. From the home page, go to about us then to our beliefs, and you will find it. What you quote seems more like Biblical Unitarian belief
---alan_of_uK on 3/15/06

"Son of" didn't necessarily mean "son of" in the Jewish way of talking. "Son of sin" simply meant a sinner. "Son of the Devil" simply meant someone who followed in the ways of evil. Maybe, therefore, "son of God" could mean someone who is extraordinarily full of the power, love and holiness of God.
---Donna on 3/14/06

It is fairly certain that Jesus did talk about God as his father, and about himself as the son. However, it probably wouldn't have come over as quite such an astonishing claim as it may seem today. Here's why:
1. Kings and angels are both called sons of God in the Old Testament, so it wouldn't necessarily mean you're claiming to be divine.
---Donna on 3/14/06

Son of God
For many Christians today, "Son of God" means "the second person of the Trinity". The idea is that God is known in three persons God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit but that there is still only one God. Jesus was God the Son come to earth, fully God and fully human.

But is this what the writers of the New Testament meant when they called Jesus the Son of God? Is it what Jesus meant when, and if, he called himself the Son of God?
---Donna on 3/14/06

Alan, I can't believe we are talking about the same URC! I went to the site you mentioned..double checked to make sure it was the same one. I still could find no articles of faith or doctrinal statement, no "what we believe" or anything similar. They had a section of FAQ about Jesus and I will quote from that. (see A.)
---Donna on 3/14/06

Donna ... thre information about the United Reformed church which was the result of the merger between the Congregational church and the presbyterian church came from a site for the UK church. I don't know if the mod is allowed to publish the site address, but I will try it is urc dot org dot uk
---alan_of_uK on 3/14/06

They teach a SOCIAL good works as Jesus did.There are many paths to Heaven. They celebrate Communion, occasionally, with pieces of craker and grape juice (NOTHING like the RC) and about their only ritual is baptism of children or adult by sprinkling and saying the Lord's prayer in unison.

They do not believe in a literal interpetation of the Bible. In fact, they tend to believe that all great religions teach fundamentally the same thing.
---Donna on 3/13/06

URC#1 The United Reformed Church not like BU.
The answer to the question as I see it, and from what I learned in the Congregational before the merger, is This: They believe in the trinity as an abstact concept. God is God, Jesus was sort of a spiritual supermMAN..since he was God's only son, the Holy Spirit is not a person but a mysterious "it". They address their prayers to God, the father of all mankind.
---Donna on 3/13/06

Alan, I googled the United Reformed Church of North America and could find NO doctrinal statement.Checked out several sites for individual churches. Again NO docrinal statement, although one said they subscribe to all the "ecumenical" creeds.
There was a site for Biblical Unitarians so we must have some here, after all. Their doctrinal statement is nothing like what I learned in the Congregational Church before the merger.
---Donna on 3/13/06

OH BLUNDER !!! ... My last blog #C should have been headed Biblical Unitarians (not Trinitarians!!!)
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

Alan, sorry to disagree with you, but, as I said before, "Biblical Unitarians" are alomost UNHEARD OF in the UNITED STATES (guess they are common in Europe.)
Therefore I do NOT think the questioner had them in mind. He had probably never heard of them, as I hadn't. (Maybe he will straighten us out on this) To MOST American ears the term "Biblical and Unitarian" sound like words opposite in meaning.
---Donna on 3/13/06

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# I There is more, and you do need to go to the site to know all they believe. They have scripture for everything, and it appears plausible.
Although I am a Trinitarian, it does seem to me that the Biblical Unitarians, whilst not having that belief in the godhood of Christ, are otherwise less tainted by added doctrine than the RC church.
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# H He is the only man God ever raised from the dead in order to confirm that he was who he had said he wasthe Son of God
He is the only man whom God highly exalted as Lord and Head of the Church, and to whom God has given all authority in heaven and on earth
He is the only man who is now the Mediator between God and mankind
He is the only man who will gather together all Christians to meet him in the air (1 Thess. 4:17) and give each one a new body like his own
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# F ... The absence of a sin nature was not the reason why Jesus did not sin. We know that because the First Adam also had no sin nature, and he sinned royally.
He is the only man who died as the perfect sacrifice for our sins
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# E ... He is the only man who had perfect faith in God, and who, by his free will choices to trust God, lived a sinless life, always doing the will of his Father (John 8:29).
Jesus was not a robot, programmed to obey God. If so, he could not have been genuinely tempted to sin, just like all men he came to save (Heb. 4:15).
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

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# D )
He is the only man who is called the Last Adam (1 Cor. 15:45). As the only-begotten Son of God, Jesus was the genetic equivalent to the first Son of God, Adam (Luke 3:38). As the only man born without inherent sin, Jesus was thus the only man equipped to be the Savior and Redeemer of mankind. Romans 5:12-21 is the classic comparison of these two Adams and the respective impact each had on mankind.
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# C Biblical Trinitarians beliefs
"We believe that Jesus Christ is a completely unique (one of a kind) human being.
He is the only man who was ever born of a virgin (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35). God put a perfect seed in the womb of Mary so that Jesus would be born without the sin nature that every other human being inherited from the First Adam. Therefore, Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God (John 3:16) and the Son of Man (John 5:27)"
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# B The difference between Biblical % Universalist Unitarians.
You need to look at their site, and see that they say that God the Father is the only God, and that Jesus was His only son, but was not God or part of God (thus no Trinity) Jesus died to save us and was resurrected immortal. Holy Spirit seems to be an agent of God.
They do claim it is all based on the Bible, hence their name.
I put in the following blogs, some of their key points about Jesus:
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# A The difference between Biblical % Universalist Unitarians.
This quote is from the Biblical Unitarian's own website: "Biblical Unitarianism is not to be confused with Unitarian Universalism.
As Biblical Unitarians we believe in one God, the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ (1 Cor. 8:6, Eph. 4:5, 6). The Holy Spirit is another name for God our father and the gift of holy spirit is Gods gift to every Christian the moment of his / her new birth as a Christian"
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

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# 4 Now that does not sound anything like the organisation described in the question.
As with many things it is easy to et the wrong end of the stick. The questioner must be talking about the Universalists
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# 3 United Reformed Church's beliefs continued ;
recognises the ministry of God's people: all the members serving in the world and through the church, in particular: ministers of Word and Sacrament, elders, lay preachers, church related community workers (CRCWs), and workers from partner churches.
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# 2 United Reformed Church's beliefs continued:
looks to be continually renewed and reformed so as to fulfil its mission of witness and service in the name of Jesus Christ;
practises both infant and believer's baptism and celebrates the Lord's Supper; ... cont ....
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

# 1 If you google United Reformed Church you will find their own site, and you will find the following as a statement of their beliefs:
The URC stands in the Reformed tradition of Christian faith, believes in one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit;
finds the supreme authority for faith and conduct by the guidance of the Spirit in the Word of God in the Bible; ... cont ...
---alan_of_uK on 3/13/06

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I speak mainly from experience, but found some confirmation on the internet, that the main emphasis in the URC is in Jesus as a great teacher and selfless leader that we should try to emulate. As I remember He was sometimes called the "Son of God" but whether or not He was EQUAL to God was not clearly defined. My father, a lifelong Congregationalist, believed that He was not.
---Donna on 3/12/06

I have never heard of "Biblical Unitarians" but I googled the term and discovered they are mainly in Europe. I found little if anything except what others have written ABOUT them. I remember when, in the US there was a Unitarian church and a Universalist Church. They have now merged
---Donna on 3/12/06

The are two very different Unitarian animals.
Universal Unitarians say believe what you want. They make no claim to be Christian. If you search under "unitarian" you will find lots of their pages, including one for pagan unitarians!
Biblical Unitarians are Christians of a sort, in that they believe in the redeeming power of Jesus sacrifice, but do not accept the Trinity. If you want to know more about them, you will have to type "biblical unitarian" in the search box
---alan_of_uK on 3/12/06

Yes, Donna, I had heard that the URC had already been conducting "same-sex" marriages. Seems really to take them out of the mainstream?
---alan_of_uK on 3/12/06

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Actually, if I remember my church history correctly, The Unitarians split off from the Conregationalists (or maybe it was vice versa).I grew up in a Congregational Church, (now United Reformed Church). Doctrine aside, I was baptized and confirmed in that church without ever hearing about Salvation or a personal relationship with Jesus. They belong to the National Council of Churches, are pro abortion on demand and "alternative" life styles. They are the most liberal of mainstream denominations.
---Donna on 3/12/06

I may be, will need to check my source of information.
---David on 1/25/06

Alan is correct about the URC. I found their site easily online. It seems they are having some problems regarding homosexuals, whether they can be ministers, or just members. Look at the sight for more info.
But they do believe in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
---NVBarbara on 1/25/06

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