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I accept totally that Adam and Eve were the first humans and ALL of us are their descendents. God must have given them many skills for survival so, after them, what order did cave men, ice age etc. happen. Were original skills lost and re-discovered?

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Eloy ... I see now what you mean ... 3 classes with 9 species in each, X 2 for male and female. Equals 54. But then what about Gen 6 v 19 & 20 ... 2 or 7 of each according to whether they were clean or unclean? & where do you get the 9 from?
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/9/08

I John 3:12 is like Jesus saying John 8:44, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do...."

All of us are "of our father the devil" (unrighteous) untill such time as we choose to all God to be our father (put on His righteousness).
As Kay points out, it is simply a way of speaking of ones unrighteousness.
---Bruce5656 on 1/8/07

"also the parable of the wheat & tares"

Mikefl, Jesus explained this parable in Matthew 13:38. He described the "wheat" as the children of the kingdom (the righteous), and the "tares" as the children of the devil (the unrighteous).
---Kay on 1/8/07

"The ice age was possibly the "pre-Adamic age" many speak of."

Mikefl, thats actually contrary to the Scriptures. I believe the Ice Age occured after the Flood.

"I bet there weren't any fences to keep the animals in until man was exiled out."

Do you believe that every single animal that God made actually lived in one location rather than inhabiting the entire earth? God commanded the animals to be fruitful and multiply throughout the earth.
---Kay on 1/8/07

"Emg., If indeed we are "ALL" descendents of Adam & Eve please explain 1 John 3:12"

Mikefl, 1 Jn 3:12 is referring to Cain being of the devil in a spiritual sense, not physical. In verse 10, John was making a distinction between the children of God (righteous) and the children of the devil (unrighteous). Then in verse 12, John describes Cain as being of the devil, meaning he was unrighteous.
---Kay on 1/8/07

Emg., If indeed we are "ALL" descendents of Adam & Eve please explain 1 John 3:12 & also the parable of the wheat & tares. As for being cave men, science shows us that living in "caves" is the most efficient environment control possible, still done today. The ice age was possibly the "pre-Adamic age" many speak of. Nothing is said about what went on outside of Eden. I bet there weren't any fences to keep the animals in until man was exiled out.
---mikefl on 2/22/06

The Lord just blessed me with a telescope. I'm gonna check things out.
---John on 2/19/06

Someone told me that the stars that we see in the sky 'were' billions of light years away and no longer exist (they have burnt out). According to this lady, we only see them NOW because it has taken all those years for the image of them to reach us!!!! She obviously has more faith than I have because that belief takes far more faith than believing the 6000 year age of the earth.
---M.A. on 2/19/06

Niki: I'm glad you appreciate the splendors of the night sky. I do as well. You claim that the universe is billions of light years across. What scientific evidence do you offer to support that claim? Could it be the assumption of the big bang theory coupled with the flawed red shift assumption and the notoriously unreliable Hubble "constant?" There are more scientific holes in this theory than in a tennis racquet.
---jerry6593 on 2/19/06

I look out at the night sky in the desert and see what the scriptures mean when it says, "The heavens declare the glory of God." The desert sky, far from the city renders me with a humility that inspires me to at least think about the creation, and to be glad i am not a city gal. In any event, we see light from planets, stars, cosmos millions, billions of LIGHT YEARS away, not 6,000 years away. What faith is and is not are often far apart, galaxies apart.
---Niki on 2/18/06

It would be cool if ChristiaNet had a built in spell check but I understand why this cannot be yet. It would be like having our own teacher correcting all our mistakes, without the heavy ruler and the snears. When is recess?
---John on 2/18/06

Thanks Barbara. Just checked the dictionary and it says that in U.S. both use 'c'. But in U.K. Practise - to do something in order to gain skill. Practice - He set up practice as a lawyer. I know that next time I need either of these I will forget which is which. I think I have a mental block where these words are concerned. You have simplified English over the 'pond'. Definition of pond - that little bit of water between U.K. and U.S. but I don't think it's in the dictionary!!!
---M.P. on 2/17/06

nvB There is in England at least, such a word as "practise" ... it is a verb, meaning perform habitually.
"Practice" in UK is a noun, meaning habitual action.
So, at one's piano practice, one practises playing the piano. There is in English (here at least) no permission for using one in place of the other.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

M.P. there is no such word as 'practise,' at least not in the US. 'Practice' is correct here. Perhaps its like 'color' in the US and 'colour' in the UK, just a slight difference that most of us understand.
---NVBarbara on 2/17/06

No worries guys, we all make some spelling or grammer mistakes--even the Moderators! Often when they put a heading on a blog, there are misspellings. The most recent that comes to mind was a question about "thiefs", as opposed to 'theives.' Or "How To You like Christianet?"
You can write your blogs on Word, which will correct spelling, then paste on CN.
---NVBarbara on 2/17/06

Mod ... you edited out my deliberate typos! It really is easy when you do not "touch type" and use just 2 fingers, to get the letters in the wrong order.

Moderator - We try.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

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Hey Alan, I hope you havn't misunderstood what I said. I was not criticizing YOUR spelling. I was actually speaking very generally. I can tell that yours are typing errors because they vary. People who cannot spell make the same mistakes regularly. I guess that you and I had a very similar education, being nearly the same age, and we like to see good English and correct punctuation. I usually proof read before submitting but I still miss the odd error.
---M.P. on 2/17/06

MP I was well taught at school, and my spelling is good, but it is where my fingers go that is the problem.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

May I jump in here about the spelling? Try as I may I will not get every word spelled right and my spellcheck wasn't working here so I found the site with my regular Search Engine for Merriam Webster Dictionary,put in my favorites. Now when I'm writing all I have to do is minimize Christianet Blog,go to my favorites and check my word,click back on the Blog and correct what I wrote. Little complicated but it works.
---Darlene_1 on 2/17/06

Hear and here are not the only words that confuse. We have plenty of 'their', 'there' and 'they're' that get all mixed up and the abbreviation of etcetera often appears as ect. when it is accurately etc. (the first 3 letters of etcetera). If schools had regular spelling tests no-one would need a spell-check. My personal down-fall is practice and practise. I can never remember when we use which. Who is going to help me on that one?
---M.P. on 2/17/06

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Ah , yes John ... but the problem here is that those who make the errors do not realise they do not know how to spell the word! And also some confusions .. "hear" for "here" which I have seen recently would still get through the spellcheck
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

Alan, what I do is get my ChristiaNet blog up. Then I will minimize that and go into my e-mail in the new message section where my spell check is. When I come accross a word that I'm not sure of the spelling, I toggle back and forth between the two by minimizing each and then bringing them back up again as I need them. It works perfectly!
---John on 2/17/06

Niki: I don't think it's me. I do believe that the earth is about 6000 years old, however; and that from a scientific perspective as well as religious (I'm a physicist). While I believe that all Christians should follow the teachings and example of Jesus, not all are in agreement as to what that entails, and hence have widely disparate doctrinal views. Our safest tack is to take the scriptures as a unified whole that means just exactly what it says rather than try to force it into some contemporary mold.
---jerry6593 on 2/16/06

John ... my e-mail has spellcheck. But I cannot make my email check what I write here
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/16/06

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Alan, My e-mail (Incredimail) has a spell check (It's also free), so when I'm on a blog I'll get up my new mail window and just refer to that. I still misspell a word now and then anyway but a lot less. You would really like Incredimail!
---John on 2/16/06

Niki, if it gives you some kind of comfort to think that my argument is failing, feel free to think that. However I have done just what many of us do on ChristiaNet and that is to move away from the original question on to points raised by others. I'm simply following on with the subject of poor spelling, introduced by you I believe.
---M.P. on 2/16/06

Jerry; are you not the one who claims one must believe the earth is 6,000 years old to be a Christian? MP; I remember from debate class an AD HOMINUM attack is one used when ones argument is failing. As to being a 'victim' I only worry about being a 'victim' of student loans, which is why I work part time. This false duality I am seeing between evolution/creation is one unique to fundamentalist (conservative protetants) The majority of Christians I see here at Cal. State S.B. see no issue.

Moderator - Remove Christianity from the equation. The issue people are having is that evolution isn't science, but instead a false philosophy. Most here would agree with that statement regardless if they were a Christian or not. You are being duped.
---Niki on 2/16/06

SLC: I will answer your question. Belief in evolution requires the greatest faith because one must believe in that which is demonstrably impossible. Namely: the instantaneous appearance of all matter in the universe at one point from no source, the spontaneous generation of life from inorganic material, the violation of the laws of thermodynamics and complete disregard of the mathematics of probability and statistics - to name a few.
---jerry6593 on 2/15/06

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Niki ... you have found out that "My spell check on the laptop does not work on websites" A pity you did not realise that the rest of us suffer the same problem with our PCs before you started treating others as having below average IQs because they made spelling errors.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/14/06

Science has nothing to do with, and is not in any conflict with, religious faith of any sort. The clash arises when scientists (not science, for that is impersonal and cannot think) believe that they have the Truth, and wheb they become so self-important that they declare there is no God.
The elements of science where there is possible clash of interpretation of scientific observations and religious beliefs are few and far between, and appear to be limited to Creation area, and Medical.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/14/06

Mod you ask "Is this Molly or Tina again?" I think not, for the writing style is quite different, and Niki does not complain about her lot, and how so-called Christians have hurt her.

Moderator - You are probably right. It's the victim mentality I guess that is getting my attention.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/14/06

I personally think that you would be better doing a 'return to learn' course with basics in English before you proceed in higher education. Regarding your opinions of the bible and Christians generally, you seem to keep changing sides. Do you actually seriously believe anything?
---M.P. on 2/14/06

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Niki the word is char(i)smatic. If you rely on a spell check why comment on the spelling of others. I know you've been given a hard time because of your bad spelling but I can see the point that others are making. You still use there when you mean their and vice versa and refuse to spell Ken Ham correctly. If you've seen his website you've seen his name correctly written. Are you being deliberately stubborn?
---M.P. on 2/14/06

Fundamentalist denotative meaning is different than its connotative meaning. Fallwell and those similar are connotated as fundamentalist.

Historically, anyone following the 5 historic fundamentals is a fundamentalist: (I) the deity of Christ (including his virgin birth) (2) the historicity of his miracles, (3) the substitutionary atonement of his death, (4) his literal resurrection from the dead, and (5) his literal return at the Second Coming, all of which presupposes an inerrant autographa.
---John_T on 2/14/06

(My spell check on the laptop does not work on websites.) I am informed that my Father does not like being called a 'fundamentalist' He likes to be called 'charasmatic.' He wants to straighten me out that fundamentalist are 'cold dead stone' and not true Christians, like 'only his people' are. I have been straightened out again. He claims all mainline protestants wrong.
---Niki on 2/14/06

Mike M. Even at non-bible colleges it is possible to serve God. The Baptist Student Union and the Fellowship of Christian Atheletes are two organizations that try to reach out to other students as well as the communities where the colleges are. They have mission trips as well. I think that you can be exposed to bad influences at colleges but no more so than in the rest of the world. It's individual choice whether or not to be swayed by those influences or stay true to God's word.
---wenda7494 on 2/14/06

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As I see it college in America is a wasteland. NO, clearly I would not support my child going to college, except it be a Bible college. The idea of 'learning the other side' -evolution, humanism, etc. is like saying 'You can, as a youth go study with the devil, then come back and report.' One cannot serve two masters. All that science is not for the Christian.

Moderator - In Niki's case I would have to agree with you provided she is not just joking.
---MikeM on 2/14/06

It is clear man has been on earth, in one form or another for a very long time. For someone, a teacher in high school of college to use evolution, or any science to try to promote atheism would be nonsence. Facts and truth are not the same thing. Science is facts. It does not preclude faith. Atheism takes faith (a lot of faith), as religion takes faith. What take the greater faith, atheism, or belief in God?
---SLC_Guy on 2/14/06

Eloy ...# 2 If there was an explosion of new species after the Flood, this would ahve been regarded as a marvellous thing. Why no record of it later in the scriptures ... why no Psalm of praise from David, why no mention by Moses or prophets? Why no comment from Jesus?
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/14/06

Eloy ...# 1 I am puzzled ... were birds clean of unclean? If they were clean, there would only be two pairs allowed. So ... one pair of ravens, and one pair of doves. What about other flyers, such as butteflies, bees, bats, mosquitoes, etc?
It appears to me that God told Noah to take 2 or 7 pairs of each species. I do not see that Genesis many species there were within each of the three classes... there could have been hundreds.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/14/06

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As for me, to believe we evolved from microbes to Mozart by mere random natural selection take more fatih than I have. I am not interested in passing a theological litmus test; and as it is said here, you are a fundamentalist or nothing. Either/or dogmas are the first step towards fanaticism, ask any fundamentalist Islamic. Someone said you should not have to leave your brains at the front door of church, or I will add, when opening the Bible.

Moderator - Niki, your comments are making less sense each time. Only a small percentage of Christians are fundamentalist including the Christians in these blogs. Are you mad at your father?
---Niki on 2/14/06

My college is rather conservative, which is rare today. The real problem is most students today are A-political and A-religious agnostics, they dont care. That may be worse than liberalism, it is nihilistic. I am politically a Libertarian. There are Christian groups on Campus, Catholics, Mormons, SDA, etc. They 'go about there business' for the most part. None of of the instructers I know are atheist, none are fundamentalist.
---Niki on 2/14/06

Final analysis from this blog; To be a Christian you must be a literalist, believe in a 6,000 year creation. The other 90% of Christians are heretics. Therefore all knowledge that conflicts is incorrect based on the initial presupposition. That would render all education, knowledge in conflict with such a paradigm of Satanic influence. Is that correct? That is essentially what the Christian view was during the middle ages, what we call the 'dark ages.'

Moderator - Is this Molly or Tina again?
---Niki on 2/14/06

Genesis 4:20 "And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle." If Adah bare Jabal is the Father of those who live in tents, then his predecessors must be those who lived in caves.
---rex6965 on 2/14/06

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Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. I don't need a college education. The Holy Spirit is my Teacher.
---craig on 2/14/06

My educational background is in Biology (B.S. then M.S) but I believe in what the bible says literally. Is my God powerful enough to create the universe, to part the Red Sea, to destoy the world with a flood- YES. Do I need to know how he did those things to believe in him- NO. Everything I have ever seen from a scientific standpoint just points at his greatness. How amazing and perfect his designs were, planned to the smallest detail.
---wenda7494 on 2/14/06

John T: Right on! [sound of applause in the background]. If Jesus himself is the Creator (as the NT claims Him to be), if He believed in the literal six-day creation, the Noahic flood and the great fish of Jonah (as He claimed), then He must be a fundamentalist. Aren't Christians people who follow the teachings and example of Jesus? Logically then, isn't anyone who does not follow the teachings and example of Jesus not a Christian?
---jerry6593 on 2/14/06

Part 2. God is real, His Word is literal, He is very great and He is good to all those who believe in Him in faith. When you demonstrate faith in God, things begin to happen. Faith is the key.
---Ron on 2/14/06

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Part 1. Niki, Your trying to analize this like a science book and it won't work. You say concerning yourself that, "I believe". It's not what you believe that the Bible is literal or not. Either you believe it in faith or not. You are young and you are in college. College is not God or Bible friendly unless it's a Christian College. Your professors will try and brainwash you into believing anything but God. They are wise in their own wisdom (wisdom of this world) but it will not save them.
---Ron on 2/14/06

Niki: (3)
(3) He is a lunatic, working from a delusion. Again, nothing he says can be real.
(3) Or else He is the Lord God Incarnate, and it is impossible for him to lie. Since no further options exist, we must choose the most rational: He is God, and therefore his statements about Scripture remain true.
(4) Saying that Jesus was merely great teacher is bogus. Jesus never claimed that about himself.

Therefore saying Genesis is a myth is to deny the clear teachings of Jesus
---John_T on 2/13/06

Niki: (2)
Why is it important to cite the words of Jesus? He is a historical figure; there is no doubt among rational people that he existed. In his own self-claims about being the Son of God, and being fully equal to God, there are only three choices rational people have:
(1) He is a liar, in which case nothing he says can be trusted.
---John_T on 2/13/06

These are the subjects Jesus taught about the integrity of the OT, and by extension the NT:

1.It is AuthoritativeMatthew 22:43
2. It is ReliableMatthew 26:54
3. It is FinalMatthew 4:4, 7, 10
4. It is SufficientLuke 16:31
5. It is IndestructibleMatthew 5:1718
6. It has UnityLuke 24:27, 44
7. It has ClarityLuke 24:27
8. It is Historically accurateMatthew 12:40
9. It is InerrantMatthew 22:29; John 3:12; 17:17
10.It is InfallibleJohn 10:35
---John_T on 2/13/06

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Niki, hand in 'their.' Yes, I should write gooder. Hookeded on fonices workeded fer me! I suspect you have spell check in college? I did, would not have made it without! Just remembet 'literalist' Christians represent a fraction, so do not broad-brush. A great many men, and women of faith are found in the sciences. C Everett Koop for one. I believe DNA is found in the Bible! Look up 'Tree' from the Hebrew, in relation to Tree of Life.
---SLCGuy on 2/13/06

John; and all here. I remember mostly the verse, 'The fear(awe) of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.' It is in contrite humility that one must go before him. I am dealing with the issue of the blog. I ask an old question, does one have to ignore objective reality to maintain faith? The ISSUE of Genesis is interesting. Metaphor is not always myth. I believe God trancends physical reality, but does act in oppsition to it. Lets deal with the issue, not ad hominum.
---niki on 2/13/06

Niki, You may be a college student and know how to spell. but you have a lot to learn spiritually. Please don't think that this is a put down to your character. You need God's wisdom. The Bible cannot be read as a text book or journal. All 66 books of the Bible were written by men but the writings were inspired by the Holy spirit. Someday you are going to need God more than you know. When you realize that day is upon you, cry out to God to show you His truth. God bless you Niki.
---John on 2/13/06

Darlene, you may believe lexicons and so-called experts, but I believe the inspired Word of God.
---Eloy on 2/13/06

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Alan of UK, There were only 3 classifications, the word beast and cattle are synonymous. Gen.6:20= 3 classes; Gen.7:2= 7 males with 7 females in each class of clean animals + 2 males with 2 females in each class of unclean animals= (14 + 14 + 14) + (4 + 4 + 4)= 54.
---Eloy on 2/13/06

I see the Flood as a symbol of Baptism. In the same way one is baptized, the earth was. Then, like the song goes, "It is the fire(cleansing) the nest time." The fire is also one of the symbols of the Holy Ghost. First one is baptized, then they recieve the Holy Ghost. It has been suggested that at the end of the last ice age there was a great flood as the oceans rose rapidly. There is evidence the ice sheets melted witien a hundred years at the end of the pliesticine.

Moderator - Melting ice caps has nothing to do with baptism.
---Niki on 2/13/06

Then if the Bible is literal, "Suffer not a witch to live." So then the Wicca pagans better beware-? If the Bible is literal then I best drop out of school right this moment, right now, become ignorant of everything as being 'foolishness of man.' I saw the results of 'literalism' growing up, a denial of reality calling itself faith, denial of mountians, rocks, fossil, etc. Jesus yes, literalism,i.e. fundamentalism, no. God is bigger than that.

Moderator - Niki, sounds like pride to me. I hope you realise that their are many people on these blogs far more educated than you are. Your learning is just beginning not ending. Therefore, if you are to truely learn more, an in-depth study will be required on both the Bible and non-bible topics. You have a great misunderstanding on both topics based upon your comments. It sounds like your Bible teaching is limited to fundamentalism which isn't 1% of the teaching on the Bible.
---Niki on 2/13/06

To take the Ark as a metaphor is to deny Scripture. Scripture is reality, not myth.

While it is surely not a science text book, what it says about things has yet to be proven wrong.

To relegate the accounts in Genesis to myth makes the Bible as factual as Howdy Doody, and denys every theological concept in the Bible from original sin to salvation.
---John_T on 2/13/06

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"Also, Mr SLCGUY, you need to work on your spelling and learn to write better." So do many people here Niki but most of us are not so rude as to point out that fact. However, whilst on the subject, please read your 2nd and third sentence. Can you see anything wrong with them? The word 'a' missing from 2nd and a capital letter to begin the 3rd.
---M.A. on 2/13/06

"Could Noahs Ark have been somewhat metaphorical, the flood a symbol of baptism?" I'm sure that God is capable of calling a spade a spade. Why should we think that He talks in riddles? When He said "Build an ark" He meant "Build an ark" and when He said "I will flood the whole earth" He meant He would flood the whole earth. A punishment for man's sins. (Nothing whatsoever like a parable just in case someone was thinking of saying that!).
---M.A. on 2/13/06

I am a 19 year old student in college. I believe the Ark is metaphor. to take it as literalism is to deny reality. "Cave man" is a rather vague term, dont you think? Also, Mr SLCGUY, you need to work on your spelling and learn to write better.
---Niki on 2/13/06

Notice Gen 1:3 does not say God created light; it says He spoke it into being. In Genesis 1, the word "create" is only used of the heaven and earth, animals, and man. Everything else He spoke into being by His Word.

Isaiah 14:12ff talks about Lucifer's fall. That happened at the time of Gen 1:2 and was the cause of the earth becoming worthless.

The cave men, dinosaurs, etc. all lived between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2.

Sorry for the condensed answer. Please study the Word.
---Jeffrey on 2/13/06

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"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was [Strong's 1961] without form [Strong's 8414], and void; and darkness {was} [italicised to show it was added] upon the face of the deep."

Strong's 1961 - "to exist, i.e. be or become, come to pass (always emphatic ...)"

Strong's 8414 - "a desolation (of surface), i.e. desert; fig. a worthless thing" - Compare Isaiah 45:18 "... he created it not in vain [Strong's 8414] ..."
---Jeffrey on 2/13/06

Yea Danno, but one of them ordered the roast duck with the mango salsa!
---John on 2/13/06

Eloy: Very imaginative, maybe even tongue 'n' cheek, tall tale? :)

Darlene_1: Great sleuthing!

John_T: Is it possible "all that technology" survived with Noah & family in that they may've been collectively skilled in metalurgy, arts, etc.?
---Leon on 2/13/06

The Cave Men are the guys on the GEICO commercials.
---Danno on 2/13/06

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"Cave Man"-meaning who? There are cave painting in France, La Sauix, 20,000 BC picturing mammoths and other extinct ice age animals, maybe they did not make it to the Ark. There are over 100 species of moths. There are 38 species of slugs. Consider alone the varieties of insects on the Ark, being over a 100,000 varieties. And who cleaned the bottom of the Ark? What a job that must have been!
---SLCGuy on 2/13/06

As to science, do Christians just have to ignore the physical sciences? Geology, archeology, biology, palentology, etc? Could Noahs Ark been somewhat metaphorical, the flood a symbol of baptism? Is literlism the demand, thus all objectivity to be ignored? Or has secular education ruined me?
---SLCGuy on 2/13/06

M.P.,pleased that info spoke to someone. I'm always one for good 'ole common sense. Amen, our God never makes any mistakes, and a huge Ark that was mostly empty would have been a mistake which had no purpose, since a little boat will float as well as a big one.
---Darlene_1 on 2/13/06

Eloy, you can't admit your definition is only yours, not what's given in research sources,including Greek Lexicon. Sorry, your truth is exactly that, "only" yours. Keep your truth as you please, and I will stick to experts recorded facts, and the real truth. A bigger problem exists for anyone who can't accept documented sources of information. I had a baby, it wasn't a swarm, just one,not abundance, which is a profussion-a great quanity, after 15 hours of labor,was grateful it was just one!
---Darlene_1 on 2/13/06

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Correct! It is also a part of the fall. Before the flood, lifespans were measured in 100s of years, and there was technology like metalurgy as well as a thriving arts colony, according to Genesis.

Since all but Noah's family died in the flood, all that technology was "lost" because they were focused on survival.
---John_T on 2/13/06

Darlene I'm so glad that you commented on the size of the ark. The enormous 3 deck ark was designed with a purpose - to house MANY creatures, great and small, 8 people and all the supplies they would need for quite a long stay. If Noah had taken only the number that Eloy states the ark would only have needed to be like the cute pictures we see in children's books. God does not mess about, He knows exactly what He is doing. Those watching Noah built the ark must have thought he was absolutely insane.
---M.P. on 2/13/06

The popular conception of cave men is science fiction - not science. It is art posing as science in order to bolster the evidence-starved theory of evolution. The cave men were men like David; who just happened to live in a cave for a while. Mankind today is not more highly evolved than before the flood. We are smaller, weaker and have much shorter lifespans today.
---jerry6593 on 2/13/06

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