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Who Are These Thiefs

Are the thiefs in Matthew 27 the same as the malefactors in Luke 23? Why or why not? Please use only scripture to support your position.

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The answer is YES! The scriptures speak for themselfs.
---mima on 3/13/07

Now imagine five in a row. The soldiers brake one guy's legs, then the next, then go to Jesus who is dead already. The other two wouldn't be mentioned because the record continues with the soldier piercing Jesus' side, the affirmation that the record is true, and the events fulfilling scripture.
---jeffr5976 on 2/19/06

John, thanks for responding.

That's another thing that puzzled me. John 19:32-33 says the soldiers broke the legs of the first and the other, but when they came to Jesus, he was already dead.

Imagine Jesus between two others. The soldiers brake one guy's legs, then walk past Jesus to brake the other guy's legs, then go to Jesus who is dead already. Hmmm.
---jeffr5976 on 2/19/06

Jeff. You have come across something very interesting. How about John 19 where the legs of the two people crucified with Him are broken and not the legs of Jesus. So, it seems that there is only 3 crucifictions. There does seem to be a contradiction of the account in the other Gospels but it can be that the one fellow did repent even though he at first railed on Jesus with the other guys.
---john on 2/18/06

Thank you all for responding! Those are all wonderful, human arguments. But what I was asking for was scriptural evidence.

Concerning the birth of Jesus, Matthew mentions the wise men but not the shepherds, while Luke mentions the shepherds but not the wise men. Yet, no one tries to make the shepherds and the wise men the same people.

What evidence is there in scripture that there were not four, two malefactors and two thieves, crucified with Christ?
---jeffr5976 on 2/18/06

Read the last verse of John. None of these accounts can give the total detail. There is no contradiction. If both thieves "railed against Jesus" to start with, how much more gracious that makes Jesus' promise to the one who asked Him to remeber him.
---alan8869_of_UK on 2/17/06

One can be talking of the whole period--both railed on Him; the other writer can be emphasizing only the ending scenes or results. Scripture often does this. Each glimpse from God gives us a snapshot of truth, but not the "whole story"--just what God wanted the writer to emphasize. It is important that we do not see "contradictions" in the Bible, but pray that we might see the harmony and be led to know God.
---Wayne87 on 2/17/06

Jeff, if all the statements in the Gospels said exactly the same thing, I never would've believed them! That would be a clear sign of collusion: 'Stories' which agree perfectly often indicate 'cover-ups' to investigators; yet early Christians read and kept all four Gospels as Scripture because eyewitnesses and those close to the Apostles vouched for their accuracy and passed that along to others! I see no blatant contradictions between them; only differences of subject matter for each writer.
---Daniel on 2/17/06

If they are the same people, how, then, do you reconcile the fact that only one malefactor railed on Jesus in Luke, while both thieves did so in Matthew?
---jeffr5976 on 2/16/06

Yes. In Mat27:38-44, These are the thieves that was cruicfied along with Jesus, which is the same in Luke 23:32-39. The bible calls them the two thieves. According to tradition Demas or Dismas was the thief who hung on the right and Gestas hung on the left.
---Rebecca_D on 2/15/06

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