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Witness But Don't Worship

If they found a new testament and followed it, why would the believers meet together to "worship" on any day of the week? There is absolutely no instruction or example in the new testament of "worship" taking place in a local church. They were to be witnesses, not worshippers.

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 ---leigh on 2/23/06
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Paul said in the way that they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers.
Witnessing is done in all the world as a witness to Christ.
The Lord is to be praised and worshipped in church.
---Frank on 1/21/08

To---leigh while you stated truth just a quick look at the answers will show you that this truth will not be accepted. It is for easier to worship(or even play at worship) that it is to witness. First a witness must be certain of their own salvation. And secondly have a message to deliver as to how others can be saved.
---Mima on 1/21/08

Well, we are to worship because it blesses Him. I for one believes getting together with a group of Christians for the soul purpose of worshiping God is an outstanding thing. I will be so glad when God sends some my way. All I am ever around are unbelievers. I don't understand it. But God. Note: I do not hang out with these people. God is looking for worshipers.
---catherine on 1/21/08

I agree with you. The local church was to assembly together to do the things you mentioned plus other things. However, corporate or group worship in the assembly of believers is never instructed in the New Testament. Look at Paul's letters to the churches, not one word on worship.
---leigh on 1/21/08

Lorr: Defend Sin by pointing to the Sins of others? "You will know them by their fruits":

Spanish Inquisition, Massacre of St. Bartholomew, 50 million Martyrs, History of the Waldenses

"That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by {none) who have a competent knowledge of history" - William Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol2 P32
---TS on 3/30/07

TS. Yep you go on believing that. If any two had agreed on anything, I might be worried that my Church had wrongly persecuted actual Christians. But, while the Church and most of the Reformers who also hunted and executed those who believed differently, did not give the shining example that I would have liked, we don't have any evidence of a pure Christian religion rising out of that mess. Only the Catholic Church remained true to the teachings of the early Church.
---lorra8574 on 3/30/07

TS From the Pope on down, we are human beings, we stumble and fall. But in Christ we rise again. My faith has always been in God, not the Pope or any other man.

Many today denounce the Reformers, especially when they find out that they were fallible human beings who did some pretty nasty things in the name of God.

But, so many denominations are problematic for me. Clearly, the Reformation did not improve anything outside of the Catholic Church. Within, things improved.
---lorra8574 on 3/30/07

lorra: The were persuted in the Middle Ages by the Roman Ecclesiastical Authority and had to do the same thing ;)
---TS on 3/30/07

We should worship Jehovah God, & witness to the world through his message & teach them about his son Jesus Christ.
---candice on 3/29/07

Matthew 18:20
Acts 12:12
Acts 14:27
Acts 15:30-33
Acts 20:7-11 - longest Mass ever.
1 Cor 5:1-8 Note especially verses 4 and 8, they gather together to break bread as also occurred in Acts 20 verses 8 and 11.

In the early Church, they were being persecuted so they could not have a typical church like we have now. But they gathered together where-ever they could. They gathered at the first day of the week in honour of the Resurrection which is a new beginning for the New Covenant.
---lorra8574 on 3/29/07

"Go ye therefore and make disciples...Baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit"

It is the Spirit of Antichrist that seeks to Worship without Witness.
---TS on 3/29/07

Well I personally don't CARE what scripture you are referring to. We are to praise and worship God with music, without music, He loves it, He adores it. And I am gonna do it.
---catherine on 3/29/07

When the Holy Spirit came down on the disciples, what were they doing? They were all singing and worshipping God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and then it started in the village as well.
---Junia on 3/29/07

If I study the book of Acts, I see examples of the church gathering together to pray and hear the gospel preached. When Paul went to visit he preached. He also sent letters which were read to the churches for encouragement.
---Madison on 3/29/07

CONT; keep in mind that Jesus told this woman, you Samaritans worship what you do not know, in other words they don't worship according to the truth of God's word. To worship God in spirit and in truth, means that we worship him in a spiritual way not the fleshly way. To worship in spirit is to worship spiritualy, to worship in truth is to worship in truly. these people that flap their arms and cluck like a chicken is not of God and not worshipping him. Leigh, you never said what you think is worship.
---Rebecca_D on 2/28/06

CONT; The fathers she is referring to is Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (vs 20). She is making the point that she has a legitmate arguement that the samaritans are well within their rights to worship God at the temple of Mount Gerizim. Now vs 21 What Jesus had said is that both Jews and Samaritans will have to come to grips with the fact that no one location will restrict true worshippers of God. This also means that not only Jews will be true worshippers of God but all men who embrace Christ by faith. CONT;
---Rebecca_D on 2/28/06

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CONT; With our Lord being a Jew she is very sentisive to the way Jesus would view her spirituality, despite the fact that she is not a worshipper of God either by the standards of the Jews or the Samaritans. She realizes that Jesus has been sent by God, and she wants to make her case that if she were to accept the words of this prophet she would have a difficult time in doing so since she would not be allowed in Jerusalem as a Samaritan and worship God there. CONT;
---Rebecca_D on 2/28/06

Leigh; this woman didn't know who Jesus was, she said, she sees him as a prophet. In vs 20 she realizes that is in the presence of a man sent by God, she brings up the issue of worshipping God which is something she hasn't been engaged in. Also in vs 20 she is saying that "We samaritans worship the one true God but you Jews have tried to make us feel guilty as we worship God on Mount Gerizim, so that no matter how spiritual we want to be, the Jews would never consider us Holy people. CONT;
---Rebecca_D on 2/28/06

Rebecca D. As previously stated, there is only one place in the NT where believers worship is discussed (John 4:20-24). This discussion is by Jesus Christ himself and I believe it is quite adequate to answer your questions concerning the definition of worship and what it consists of. I urge you to read these five verses several times over.
---leigh on 2/26/06

In the NT we find believers meeting in believers homes--the church in his house, the church at, etc. Wherever there were a group, then leaders were chosen. Secondly, Jesus and Paul constantly referred back to Moses and the prophets as authority for things--so much of the OT is repeated and amplified in the new. Worship can be alone with God, yet many examples of gathering together to hear truth, meet with God, etc., even in the NT.
---Wayne87 on 2/25/06

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Might as well worship now and get used to it. If not, what are you going to do when we get to Heaven and there are no movies, tv, computers, romance books, etc....just worship of our King...Jesus Christ!
---wes on 2/25/06

Leigh, worship is not just songs and singing. Worship is serving. But, worship is needed/required for believers to be witnesses.(Psalms 91:1-2) An example of prayer & praise/worship is in Acts 16:25-26. The New Testament is a fulfillment of the O.T. The Old Testament, in the Psalms, showed us acts of worship.
---Rickey on 2/25/06

Leigh you have no idea what worship means. You quote a verse without giving knowledge. Worship is an active response to God whereby we declare his worth. Worship is not passive but participative, it is not a mood but a response, it is not a feeling it is a declaration. I understand to worship in spirit and in truth, but you gave no understanding in the verses you quoted.
---Rebecca_D on 2/25/06

Leigh; what would you consider worship to be? what is your definition?
---Rebecca_D on 2/25/06

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Leigh; no I am not, If one doesn't know the meaning of worship then they won't know how to. The verses that I stated in my other post came from the NT. Abraham worshiped God for who he is. Abraham knew that if he sacrificed Isaac that God would bring Isaac back to life. Abraham worshiped God for who he is. Praising God means to thank him for what he does and have done. I am called by God to sing, I sing worship songs and the church folk worship God for who he is, because he is the ALMIGHTY.
---Rebecca_D on 2/25/06

To Rickey on 2/24: No offense, but you established your own definitions and examples of worship (e.g. "ministering to the Lord is worshipping Him"). Sounds good, but does scripture support that? John 4:20-24 is the only place in the New Testament where believers worship is discussed. "... true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and in truth."
---leigh on 2/25/06

So many churches now have 'worship' leaders who actually lead the singing so I wonder if we all mean the same thing by the word worship. When the early church met, often in secret, I'm sure they didn't, as believers, just witness to each other. Witnessing is mainly to tell unbelievers about God and what His Son has done for us. I am sure that they worshipped God and thanked Him for his love, care and protection etc. and possibly quoted beautiful phrases from the Psalms amongst other things.
---M.P. on 2/25/06

To Rebecca D on 2/24: No offense, but you are establishing your own definitions of worship and its application. But you are not the only one. Our final authority for faith and practice should be Gods Word. The very first mention of worship is when Abraham went to sacrifice his son (Gen. 22:5). How does that fit in with your definition and examples? Where do you find the worship practices taking place in the church today in the New Testament?
---leigh on 2/25/06

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To John on 2/24. Jesus explained "true worship" in John chapter 4. True worship that the Father is seeking should take place in spirit and in truth in the believer 24/7. The so called "worship" talking place in churches today cannot be found anywhere in the New Testament.
---leigh on 2/25/06

Worship means to thank God for who he is. Worship should be the biggest thing we do for God. The Wise Men sought after Jesus to worship him because of who he is. The Lepar worshiped at Jesus' feet before he was healed, when the disiples were in the ship, a storm came and Jesus calmed the storm, they all fell at Jesus' feet to worship him. All of these I've stated above and many more in the bible, are examples of people worshiping Jesus because of WHO HE IS. This is true worship.
---Rebecca_D on 2/24/06

I read Acts 13:2 and it says they ministered to the Lord. Ministering to the Lord is worshipping Him. The New Testament, ITimothy 2:1, mentions 4-types of prayer. One of them is thanksgiving which is praise. John 4:24, let's us know that we are to worship.
---Rickey on 2/24/06

Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 4:23,24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tangue shall confess to God.
Romans 15:11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him all ye people.
---Ulrika on 2/24/06

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We went to church for fellowship with Christians, to learn about the Word, to laugh, praise and worship God, I also try to be a good witness, sometimes I fail miserably. Fellowship with other Christians helps in becoming a good witness.
---Nellah on 2/24/06

Leigh, you have a problem with worshiping God??? I certainly hope not, since out of ALL the 'church activities' we do here on earth, worship is the ONLY one which we will continue to do in Heaven. Why would a believer even have to, or want to, ask such a question?
---John on 2/24/06

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