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I find no evidence that Catholics are Christians. Can someone explain to me how Catholics can call themselves Christians?

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ok my in-laws are italian and Constantine is in there line. so i got a battle when we talk about faith and why do you not call yourselves Christians. Well my other blog was to long so im rewriting it. all that they do on there tradition in the catholic church which means universal church is pegan origin in the things that they do from there own relitive back then. he changed things to fit his own pegan culture. and i back all my arguments with scripture, and worshipping an image and likeness of god and of any other is wrong and is in the 10 commandments. they said it is not part of the ten commandments i had a lot more but this will be it for a while .just give me some feed back.
---COZIII on 6/19/09

MIC: "Steveng:-What are the so called true prophets prophesfing today? it is all in the word,..."

Do some research about the activities of a prophet. It is NOT all in the "word."

So, you believe that we no longer need prophets. Right? How do you explain the two prophets mentioned in Revelation?

During my travels throughout North America, I've met dozens of prophets. We need prophets today more than anytime in history. Unfortunaely, most Christian turn their backs on them because they don't conform to their denominational church's teachings/doctrines.
---Steveng on 2/27/09

paul: "Steven - because some goes to a visible church-prays in group w/community doesn't mean that's all they pray for the whole week. We go to church- pray in our prayer groups- pray at home- in the car and everywhere anytime!

blanket statements are misleading others."

Have you not read what the people of the world did when they killed the two prophets in Revelation? I stand by what the Holy Spirit reveals to me.

"Is this a bad idea? to read the Bible over and over again after day , year after year? I say not."

There is a time to stop reading and start doing.
---Steveng on 2/27/09

Hi stevenq, I agree with much you say. You stumbled on a scripture that if you had gotten if right would have further confirmed what Jesus has been saying to your heart. Its okay, I"ve got your back. Look this stevenq quote up: "Jesus said where two or more are gathered..."

---DavidA on 2/27/09

Steven - because some goes to a visible church-prays in group w/community doesn't mean that's all they pray for the whole week. We go to church- pray in our prayer groups- pray at home- in the car and everywhere anytime!

blanket statements are misleading others.
We also read scripture from the Bible at every church gathering, and reflect on it with the sermon or homily, which I am sure you don't oppose of brother.

Is this a bad idea? to read the Bible over and over again after day , year after year?
I say not.

Jesus rose from the dead...and when we die , we will rise too...we will not be dead anymore..but with Christ in Heaven very much alive with the other Saints.
---paul on 2/26/09

Steveng:-What are the so called true prophets prophesfing today? it is all in the word,which we use as a guide line."False prophets" also speak of things that pierce the heart and tickle the ears But They are False.Do we not argue about this on these Posts.?
Matt16 :13-19JESUS says "MY CHURCH"are you sayin Jesus church is a marketing company?You need to come into, from the out field, any wonder why you do not catch the true ball of Christs word.
---MIC on 2/26/09

Barbara:-You must clarify DEAD or belief of dead "what you see is what you get",this, may only be partly True. Dead has 2 versions Dead to this world does not mean Dead to Christ who also ascended to Heaven so saints and His mother Mary are very much alive more so than some on this earth.As you say God knows ones heart.What if you were wrong?
---MIC on 2/26/09

Religion is man's attempt to reach God. Christianity is God's attempt to reach and save man through His Son Jesus Christ. - - I think the answer is simple. If a person has a desire to walk with Christ and seek God's face then they are a Christian. If a person participates in a practice thinking it will save them and get them to Heaven, they do not know Jesus. - - Is it a personal relationship with Jesus Christ or is seeking Heaven by means of working through dead saints, dead Mary, works and religion? Only God knows one's heart, however.
---Barbara on 2/25/09

Anne: "Steveng~ What do you expect these witnesses to announce to the various denominations, and how will they be perceived?"

The two witnesses are here to do God's will and God is not a respector of any church denomination. Whatever the two witnesses preach, it is for the whole human race not any group in particular.

As prophesized in Revelation, they will not be well respected. They will not be well like for no prophet in history was ever liked. What man has done to prophets in the past, they do to the two prophets in Revelation.
---Steveng on 2/25/09

MIC: "Why would you invite some 'False' prophet to speak to your congregation?"

Do you not believe that there are true prophets in the world today? False prohets will be invited into churches because they speak of things that are pleasant to the ear of their congregation. True prophets speak of things that pierce the heart. Where in the Bible were any true prophets liked?

MIC: "The way in the Bible is Mat 16:13-19 which you totally fail to address?"

When the verse says, "...upon this rock I will build my church..." it doesn't mean a building, denomination or a non-profit corporation. It's like how multi-level marketing companies build their downline - increasing the number of members.
---Steveng on 2/25/09

paul: "It does not exclude churches."

I stand by what the Holy Spirit has spoken to me for the past six months. Members of denominational churches are taught the ways of the church - their traditions, their ways of living, and their interpretations of the Bible. People who attend their Sunday morning services go through their weekly rituals - repeating them weekly, going through the herd mentality of standing, sitting and repeating prayers.

True Christianity is a 24/7 lifestyle not a once a week pep talk. They meet daily and doing what is commanded of them (do an online bible search for "one another," "each other," and "encourag").
---Steveng on 2/25/09

Steveng:-"All denominational churhes are a product of Satan.Christians bicker amongst each other-The true church ia not a building,denomination or nonprofit orgnisation,its people CHRISTIANS."YOUR WORDS.
Did Jesus Bicker or was He an advocate of love?Why would you invite some 'False' prophet to speak to your congregation?The way in the Bible is Mat16:13-19 which you totally fail to address?
---MIC on 2/25/09

yes - whereever 2 or more gather in the name of Jesus Christ in prayer - He is there!
That also pertains to gathering in a building called a church or anywhere at that.
It does not exclude churches.

Not all the Catholic church are Marians.
Meaning include the Blessed Mother side by side with Jesus.

Another thing you need to consider..Lets say a person is near a statue in a church or out..and they are sitting there praying..that does not necessarily mean they are praying to that statue..WE really can't judge their hearts intentions at that moment, only God knows.
Unless they tell you "I am praying to this statue to answer my prayers" you have no proof of it.
---paul on 2/25/09

Paul, I am a former Catholic, and as such I got to see a lot of idol worship.**

I'm a former baptist, and as such we would say prayers to pieces of cloth.
---katavasia on 2/25/09

tell you the truth, no denominational church would invite the two prophets mentioned in Revelation because they would not conform to denominational church doctrine.
---Steveng on 2/24/09

You say truly. There might be small exceptions....dangerous to be part of many $$$ organizations. Leaning to that, it may be the wide way spoken of.
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is gate, and broad is way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:12-14
old testament to NT'ers
For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in THY land.
Deuteronomy 15:10-12
---Trav on 2/25/09

"When Jesus separates righteous from wicked as sheep from goats, he does not use "theological correctness" as his measuring rod, but rather how they show our love for others."
---StrongAxe on 2/12/09
No need to add to that. However, it is noteworthy that those who teach that it matters not what a christian does, that they do not lose salvation, are the first to criticize the Catholic worship! Even accusing them of "abandoning Christ"! Go figure!
---Nana on 2/24/09

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Samuel,RCC does not see asking intercession from the Saints in Heaven as praying to the dead.They are not praying to the deceased human temple but to the inner man,in Heaven with God.They see this akin to asking a living brother and sister in Christ to intercede for them in prayer.However,since the saints in Heaven are in Heaven,it is looked upon as they are closer to the throne of God and that is why RCC "prays"to saints.Only some of RCC takes it to the extreme and bows down,etc as you said.There are many small sub groups in RCC.Not all are devout Mary worshippers.There are many born again Catholics esp among the Charismatic Catholics.You cannot make a blanket judgement.
---judy on 2/24/09

Denominational churches say they are the true path to God.

The way to God is through Jesus Christ. It doesn't go through a denominational church, then through Jesus, and then to God.

Denominational churches say you need to attend church (their building), but Jesus said where two or more are gathered in my name, there shall I be also. This means on the street corner, in the park, or at your favorite cafe.

Do you sincerly want to be a true Christian? Then get away from denominational churches (even your so-called non-denomiantional churches) and worship the way it is done in the Bible. Do an online bible search for "one another," "each other," " and encourag."
---Steveng on 2/24/09

Steveng~ What you said in your last post made a lot of sense. What do you suppose these two witnesses WILL say to ministers of the various denominations?

What do you expect these witnesses to announce to the various denominations, and how will they be perceived?
---Anne on 2/24/09

Each denominational church have their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible.

If you were a Lutheran, would you invite a Catholic pastor to preside over your church? If you were a Catholic, would you invite a Protestant to preside over your church? If you were any denominational church, would you have a street preacher preside over your congregation?

I tell you the truth, no denominational church would invite the two prophets mentioned in Revelation because they would not conform to denominational church doctrine.
---Steveng on 2/24/09

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ALL denominational churches are a product of Satan who is the father of confusion.

Denominational churches (each having their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible) cause confusion among newly born Christians who ask, "Which church is the true church?"

Christians bicker among each other saying "Our church is the true church." They also bicker within the same denomination saying, "We have better entertainment," or "We have a better pastor," or "We have better programs."

The true church is not a building, a denomination or a non-profit corporation - It's people, the Christians.
---Steveng on 2/24/09

Paul, let me assure you I am not questioning your salvation as Alan seems to suggest. I am not suspicious of it or even wonder whether it is true or not. It is your life and your responsibility. I do know many of their doctrines very well.
My comments about Idol worship are very much true and any Catholic who denies it, knows in his heart he is lying. I didn't have to mention that I never had a true love for Christ there but I did, refering to the love the RCC's share with so many idols. True love is shared with no one but Christ. I have witnessed it myself and know they have too. And that cannot be denied since Mary is at the top of the list as a Mediator between God and man.
---MarkV. on 2/24/09

I read these posts with great bewilderment,and I am puzzled.Many former RCC worshippers have left Jesus Church in Matt16:13-19 They cite that they were moved by the Holy spirit or God told them to move on out or they were getting nothing by their attendance.This does not make sense in my understanding B/C Matt12:24-32 come rushing up to defend Jesus words.also Matt5:17-20and 43-48.Any comments any one?. I do not mean to be disrespectful.After all, Jesus is the same God, so why can we not accept Him on HIS terms rather than our own .The Lords Prayer says "Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven."
---MIC on 2/24/09

Paul ... Some grow into their Faith

Others have a cataclysmic experience.

It seems each group is suspicious of the validity of the other group' experience.

Because it happened to me in a certain way does not mean that is the only way it can happen.
---alan8566_of_UK on 2/24/09

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I never had a true love for Christ as an RC. There was never a life changing experience in my life. They don't teach that a person has to be born again of the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 2/24/09

Hey Mark- wow! the bottom line is whatever leads you to Christ the Lord is good.
For me it was the Catholic church...for you not.I guess everyone is different. God does not discriminate--- he loves us all!
Our Catholic church does teach being born anew into the Spirit as baptism and loving the Lord with all your might.

I believe when we die we go to heaven or hell.I don't believe when saints die they are dead at all. We will have eternal life after death on earth.
---paul on 2/24/09

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
---Samuel on 2/24/09

God did: Jeremiah 15:1 Then the LORD said to me, "Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my heart would not turn toward this people. Send them out of my sight, and let them go!

Remember Both Moses and Samuel were long gone before Jeremiah!
---Ruben on 2/24/09

I'm sorry and i mean no disrespect, but,
I would never belong to a church that said I have to confess my sins on a weekly basis to a MAN in a booth and then told to say 4 Hail Mary mother of God & maybe 6 Hail Mary's if my sins were worse for that week to be saved & free from my sins...

C'Mon people, Be not deceived, WHAT PART of that is so HARD to SEE & understand(?)

Don't get me wrong, the RCC isn't the only boneheads out there shredding the word of God & making it evilly spoken of...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/24/09

I keep hearing that praying to the saints is like asking others to pray for us.

I have never gone up to anyone and bowed before them lit candles to them and begged them as one in authority to get my prayer answered. I have not prayed for Mary to save me.

Prayer is to be to Our FATHER which art in Heaven. Not Dear dead saints who art in heaven. We do not pray to the dead.

Isa 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
---Samuel on 2/24/09

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Mark,there is alot of Mary worship and statues within Mexico and Hispanic people.Here in America,we in the RCC were raised to recognize that a statue is a piece of artwork to commemorate a particular saint--not to be worshipped anymore than a piece of wood or plaster.They "pray"to saints in the respect that they ask intercession much as any Christian would to a brother or sister in the faith to intercede in prayer.That is what is meant by "praying"to the Saints.The saints do not answer the prayers but intercede in prayer for us.(that is RCC teaching)
---judy on 2/24/09

Paul, blessings.
your explanation to why they have statues is the same reason I believed they were there for. The problem is if you have gone into their Website, they deny as you, that they don't worship idols. That's great if it was true. But in that same website, they give reasons why saints answer prayers. If they don't believe in idol worship, why give reasons for saints answering prayers? They have two concepts. One to deny their idol worship and the other to excuse their idol worship since the saints, they say answer prayer.
I never had a true love for Christ as an RC. There was never a life changing experience in my life. They don't teach that a person has to be born again of the Spirit.
---MarkV. on 2/24/09

thanks Mark
I am Christian for many years-grew up in the faith so to speak- I knew who Jesus was when I was 5 years old. I accepted him then as my Lord, God an Savior.
what I've heard-obviously not all Catholic churches are the same. Ours puts God first-without Jesus there is no Catholic church.
I have grown and struggled--but found my way back to the Lord where I am safe and saved.

Idols are statues made to be a god and becomes a god to those who know not the Lord-deny him or hate him.
Most Catholics know that a statue in church or anywhere isn't their God. And they don't worship a statue either.
The statue becomes a rememberance of the saint who died and the holy life they lived. A memory.Your brother in Christ Jesus!
---paul on 2/23/09

We can tell who are Christians by their fruits, and whether they reflect God's love in their lives, not by denominational labels such as 'Catholic,' 'Protestant,' 'Evangelical' or 'Mainline.' God bless you.
---JohnnyB on 2/22/09

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Paul, I am a former Catholic, and as such I got to see a lot of idol worship. Refuting it is nonesense. I also had an idol and my mom another. Have you ever been to any shrines? I have and everyone there is worshipping the saints and lighting up candles to them, getting on their knees, begging for a miracles from them. The biggest worships is at Our Lady of Guadalupe, in Mexico, and in Texas our Lady of San Juan. In San Juan Texas, they do have Jesus in a glass box, but hardly anyone pay's attention to Him. They go to the shrine of San Juan, and hundreds everyday pray to them and put their dependence upon her to save their sons and daughters or for surgeries someone is having. Many for other reasons.
---MarkV. on 2/22/09

Paul 2, I was happy to hear you are born again, many don't even know what that is in the RCC. Your attempt to hide the Truth does not start you very good as a new born again Christian. I loved my church, but the Truth is they didn't love Christ as they loved Mary and everyone else. They don't have as a whole a true love for Christ, if they did, they would do away with all idol worship and make it clear to every single individual it is wrong, and remove the idols, the candle holders, and money collections from their idols. But they don't. They permit pagan rituals together with their saints to be paraded together. The true believers need to make a stand.
Anyway, welcome to the body of Christ, the angels sing each time a new convert comes in.
---MarkV. on 2/22/09

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved."
---Bob on 2/22/09

Mark and many non Catholics, call it adolatry just to have something to attack us with.

For the umpteenth time, Catholics worship God ALONE and no one else. Statues are there as a symbol, to put us closer mentally to God.

Saints are there to be used as a mirror so we live a good life like they did.
---Paul2 on 2/22/09

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RCC historically can trace direct descendancy from the Early Christian "Church".There may have been small groups outside or RCC,some gnostics,etc.But mainline Christianity was under the RCC.There was a schism between East and West.Later Martin Luther denounced some things happening within the Church.The Church had strayed from some of the original Christian teachings.Martin Luther did not want a church split,he wanted to reform from within.It snowballed and there was a split and several Protestant denominations evolved.There has been some dark and evil history within some Protestant groups just like RCC.But everyone loves to call Catholics pseudo-Christians.A person can be born again and choose to stay within RCC.
---judy on 2/22/09

Paul, praise God you are a genuine believer. It is a pleasure to hear that. I am not a defender of the RCC for many reasons, the worse one is Idolatry, but I am always happy to hear that someone has been born of the Spirit in that denomination. Welcome to the body of Christ.
---MarkV. on 2/21/09

I am evidence!
I am Christian...accept and Love my Lord Jesus Christ! I am Catholic.
---paul on 2/21/09

Elijah also was translated/rapture/taken away on a fiery chariot in front of Elias who caught Elijah's Tallit(Prayer Shaw/closet)when he drop it for him.

It's a wonderful bible story if you haven't read it before.

Oh, how I long for that day, even though I'm bless with a good wife & 3 adult children & 2 grandchildren and all the needs of daily life, I long to be with the God and the Lord
and all those loved ones that will meet me in the clouds on that glorious day, unless i die befroe then, and then it will be me that will meet them that I've left behind on that Glorious day.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin_Jr. on 2/19/09

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I believe only what the Bible says: not men, or religious dogma or any other such nonsense.

In the case of Enoch, you are absolutely correct. He did not die. Of course, I didn't say anything about dying and heaven. What I said was that no one got to heaven in a natural body...

He 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death, and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

This is exactly what is involved in the "rapture" of the living - translation. You really must read more carefully.
---BruceB on 2/19/09

BruceB, you can believe whatever you wish to believe. God bless you. Enoch is are believed to have gone to Heaven without dying. Also, I did say that the tribulation and the rapture are future events.
---frances008 on 2/19/09


I think this verse is what you're refering to?

Re 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it, and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

This is not during the Tribulation. It's the 5th trumpet which already sounded in 1990-91 during the Gulf War. This, I believe refers to the torture which was conducted on POWs and also the Gulf War Syndrome, from depleted uranium exposure.

I can't, though, find any scripture verses anywhere that say anyone ever went to "heaven" in a natural body.
---BruceB on 2/18/09

BruceB, according to the Bible, the people going through the tribulation will wish they were dead. So it seems to me that those on the red list will get executed and be better off than those on the blue or yellow lists. Those Christians who flee to the hills and survive until Jesus comes, will eventually be caught up in the air and go to Heaven in their natural bodies, though they will eventually go through a firey baptism in which their natural body will be destroyed.
---frances008 on 2/18/09

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People should not take it upon themselves to commit murder of 3,000 New York residents and then blame the Muslims. Then invade a completely innocent country to get the oil, build a large Embassy (the same size as the Vatican) and do this in the name of God. Are these criminals the people who God will destroy when he comes again at Armageddon? You see, God destroys whoever he wants to destroy, but he does not give us permission to destroy whoever we want to destroy. Even if the Jesuits say 'the ends justify the means.' It is a lie.
---frances008 on 2/18/09

Judy, I think you make a good point. The bible tells us that anyone who is born again is baptized into the Body of Christ. That's the church God recognizes, one made up of believers saved through Christ Jesus. God didn't create religions and denominations, mankind did. I met various brothers and sisters who attended two churches. When you're raised up in a loving family with very close ties, it's hard to disrupt them or break them off. I've known born again Catholics who attended church with their families out of love and respect for their families not to mention their friends whom they grew up with. I'm sure this goes on in all religions. God looks at the heart.
---Bob on 2/18/09

Dear misled Cameron,let me educate you.RC teaches that Jesus the only begotten son of the Living God died for our sins upon a cross and rose according to Scripture.They believe in the Father the son and the Holy Ghost.They believe that you must accept Him as The Saviour and Lord and ask forgiveness of sins.Only then is Heaven opened up for our entrance.Yes,the majority believe Mary is the mother of God,they have some doctrine that has strayed from the original Christian teachings.God sees the heart of a man and woman and know who loves them.Not all RC's "worship"pope as you say.You cannot judge.There are many true Christians in many denominations and many false in all denominations.
---judy on 2/18/09

Frances, Frances, Frances,

No civilian deaths are allowed? You ever been in a war? All I can say is WHOAH, Baby! You got some learnin' ahead of you, kiddo.

BTW: How many civilians you think are gonna get whacked when Armageddon happens? And God is gonna be runnin' that one, Himself.

Innocence has never been an issue in any war. That's why there won't be any, during the Millennium... war, that is.
---BruceB on 2/18/09

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Re 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

When you figure out that there is only ONE God, and not three of them, it becomes quite clear how all those things you mention can happen.

Father, Son, Holy Ghost -- they're offices. Just like I can be a father and a son and a husband... all at the same time, too.

But, I guess we'll just have to wait and see, eh? Well, you'll see. I'm goin' to hell for anti-trinitarianism.
---BruceB on 2/18/09

God cannot be kept in a box. That is not blasphemy to think that. Under lock and key? Like a prisoner. If a prisoner behaves they get let out on remand. (??!!!) Maybe the Catholic Church wants their god to stay locked away because of all the misdeeds that they get up to.
---frances008 on 2/18/09

Why is this so because every thought of our hearts is evil continually.
---mima on 2/16/09
Speak for yourself old man, as always making a mountain out of a mole hill. Love God, family, lost Mexicanos? How is that evil mima?
---Nana on 2/18/09

BruceB: "BTW: Jesus is the Father, Frances. Do you not know this?"

Jesus is NOT the Father.

There are a few verses that imply that Jesus is God, but there are many more verses that imply that he is the son, separate from the Father.

Whose voice came from heaven saying: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. (was Jesus a ventriloquist?)

Did Jesus pray to himself?

No one is good, but the Father.

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Who resurrected Jesus?

And many more. He is God, but he is not the Father. Try figuring that out using worldly knowledge.
---Steveng on 2/17/09

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Paul you deliberately cut my sentence up and missed the meaning of it. This is what Jesuits do. They cherry pick. They twist the truth. They make black white and white, black. They make the truth lies, and the lies, truth. Thank you for exposing your real nature to the bloggers.
---frances008 on 2/17/09

Mima, God judged those people then, and he will look at our hearts now today and see whether we learnt anything from Jesus. We should not be committing the sins that the idol-worshippers and those who became unbelievers, did. I would say, at a guess, that you never read the O.T prophecies. If you did you would see which people are committing the same idol worshipping sins, including child sacrifice, that the baal worshippers did. Just look at the war in Iraq. Anyone who supported that is in great danger of damnation. Not only is it unjust to kill innocent people, but even if it is a declared war, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord. And civilian deaths are not allowed. But most people are spiritually blinded by the god of this world.
---frances008 on 2/17/09

Paul, I hope I offended you so much that you go away ..The only way that the evil in this world has grown worse and worse without being stamped out, is due to it being disguised as Christianity in the Catholic Church.

Oh Francis I will pray for you today.
It is a horrible sight to see a Christian person say "go away" to another Christian as I am.
That is not how Jesus is! he never tells us to "go away"
His mercy is great and forever. He loves me and all of us.

The only way that evil in this world has grown is because of the attitude you impose on your fellow sisters and brothers in Christ Jesus My Lord and God.

Do you Love Him?
I do.
So act like it!
---paul on 2/16/09

First I do not hate the RCC. I am opposed to many of their doctrines that are false. A person who is a memeber of any church can be a Christian. Or they may not be a Christian. We are saved as individuals not as groups.

Yes all are wicked and all are lost. But GOD extends grace to all of us. We must choose to love GOD or love self. To be filled with love or with hate. Those who choose love will live with GOD. Those who choose hate will die the second death in hell.

Catholics call themselves Christians because they claim JESUS CHRIST as their Saviour.
---Samuel on 2/16/09

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It has been established long time ago that Mima is one of the most fierce enemies of the Catholics and his hatred towards us has been demonstrated repeatedly.
---Paul2 on 2/16/09

Calling a Catholic a Christian is a misnomer a misnomer the Catholic church dearly loves.

Catholics take great offense when you say something against their church yet they never investigate their church themselves. Catholics tell you that there are using Mary to get the Jesus.But c a an I rob a bank, and when brought before the judge plea that I know your mother Judge and escape scot-free, we all have literal minds let us use them!!!
---mima on 2/16/09

---frances thIS statement-------
"Lord, Lord' (they obviously have complete faith in him) but will be turned away, why? because they did evil."
Would seem to be undermined by Genesis 6:5,
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only EVIL continually."

If doing evil is our undoing, then we are all undone and doomed to being turned away. Why is this so because every thought of our hearts is evil continually.
---mima on 2/16/09

"There are not even 100 people in this country who hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they think the Catholic Church to be--Archbishop Fulton Sheen
---emtp on 2/16/09

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Did you actually read what I wrote? Where did I even allude to a "religion" being required? BTW: Jesus is the Father, Frances. Do you not know this?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I don't know what Bible you're readin', but mine says, explicitly, some are gettin' to heaven without dyin'...

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Maybe that's a lie?
---BruceB on 2/15/09

BruceB, when Jesus says that he is the way, truth and life, he is confirming that he is the Judge of the World and that he will judge righteously. Nobody can get to Heaven (to the Father) without dying and being judged worthy. Jesus looks at your deeds and your heart, not your religion. There is no denomination or religion that garauntees entry into heaven. If so then Jesus would have said 'X or Y religion is the way to the Father.' Instead Jesus says many will say to him, 'Lord, Lord' (they obviously have complete faith in him) but will be turned away, why? because they did evil.
---frances008 on 2/15/09


There is only ONE denomination -- Christian.

Can you cite one verse, from the Bible, which directly links the term Catholic (or universal) with the term Christian (there are only two verses which even use Christian) -- or one verse, which states that a Christian must refrain from reading the Bible... in favor of the Catechism, which is supposedly the "infallible"(?) interpretation of God's Word, by the Pope?

I prefer the Bible for the Word of God...

John 5:39 Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Is Jesus referring to the Catechism, here?

I'll leave the Pope to save himself, using his "infallibility".
---BruceB on 2/15/09

By their fruit you will know them. Have you no "rot" in your denomination?
Catholic's are the first Christians and the first Catholic's were first called Christians. In the first century Christians were called Catholics which comes from a Latin word meaning "universal" (And I saw a great multitude which no man could number, from every tribe, people and tongue).
---stephan on 2/15/09

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Can anybody explain to me how those who go about living their own lives as they please and willfully sinning can call themselves a Christian? When you have 168 hours in a week and you live 1 1/2 hours in the presence of God every Sunday morning doesn't make one a Christian. Being a Christian should be a 24/7 desire. It can take 16 to 20 years of effort to become a teacher or doctor, etc,,, being a Christian is a lifetime issue. That's why Jesus sent us our teacher and helper, the Holy Spirit. Without God's grace and the Holy Spirit our efforts are useless. God can't stand pride and self-righteousness is a result of pride.
---Bob on 2/15/09

Some additional paragraphs: from the Catechism of the Catholic Church promulgated by Pope John Paul II, 9/8/1997 -- their official manual of sorceries:

1411 Only validly ordained priests can preside at the Eucharist and consecrate the bread and the wine so that they become the Body and Blood of the Lord.

1413 By the consecration the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ is brought about. Under the consecrated species of bread and wine Christ himself, living and glorious, is present in a true, real, and substantial manner: his Body and his Blood, with his soul and his divinity (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1640, 1651).

Y'all know this is available on the net: yes?
---BruceB on 2/15/09

And another paragraph, to which Frances likely is referring:

1183 The tabernacle is to be situated "in churches in a most worthy place with the greatest honor." The dignity, placing, and security of the Eucharistic tabernacle should foster adoration before the Lord really present in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar.
The sacred chrism (myron), used in anointings as the sacramental sign of the seal of the gift of the Holy Spirit, is traditionally reserved and venerated in a secure place in the sanctuary. The oil of catechumens and the oil of the sick may also be placed there.
---BruceB on 2/15/09

And here's a tidbit on Mary worship:

Paragraph 2679: Mary is the perfect Orans (pray-er), a figure of the Church. When we pray to her, we are adhering with her to the plan of the Father, who sends his Son to save all men. Like the beloved disciple we welcome Jesus' mother into our homes, for she has become the mother of all the living. We can pray with and to her. The prayer of the Church is sustained by the prayer of Mary and united with it in hope.

Yeah... that's sure "Christian" -- ain't it? A Catholic is trained that "we don't pray to Mary." However, the Pope writes in the paragraph that they do. And who's the infallible one?
---BruceB on 2/15/09

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People... The word "church" does not mean building or structure. It comes from the greek word "ikklesia" (i might be spelling it wrong) which means "gatherings". All it is its just a gathering of believers, whether its just your home, a park, a garage, what ever. So if you have a gathering at your home to bible study, pray, read scriptures, guess what ITS A CHURCH!! Mr. Arron with all due respect, you dont know what you are talking about, do you? Get your facts straight instead of repeating stereotypes.
---Ghost on 2/15/09

I apologize Mr. Aaron. That last part of my blog was intended for Cameron. Mr. Aaron, i agree with you in that some catholics DO venerate saints a bit too much and i know for a fact that the pope and priests are against it, but each individual believer is going to do what they choose to do, pray how they want to pray. God only knows whats in their hearts and their intentions. Ignorance and poor teaching plays a big role too.
---Ghost on 2/15/09

To be Catholic, ya gotta accept the Catechism. Paragraph 841 reads: The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."


John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Did Jesus change His mind... or do Catholics just not believe Him?

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
---BruceB on 2/14/09

In the tabernacle where the host is kept, there is a golden stand shaped like a circle with rays coming out. The Catholics believe that the host is God (blasphemy?) and that they should worship the bread. They also believe you can keep God in this box under lock and key. What kind of idol is that? It is mind control and a false idea based on believing that priests are magicians who can change bread into God. The god they do actually worship is the sun god but they mostly do not know this. That is why the host is circular.
---frances008 on 2/14/09

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Frances008 - Churches can really mess people up. i'm with you on that. i know some people that argue that the true "church" is held in peoples living rooms and home bible studies. there is some truth to that.
---Aaron on 2/14/09

I can talk of Catholicism since I came from out of Catholicism and I can tell you that they do not care about the Ten Commandments. Not even the priests. Of course not all priests are equally guilty, but they share in the collective sins of Catholicism. That is why the Revelator tells us to 'Get out of Her'. Catholicism also infiltrates all other denominations. These days there is NO SAFE CHURCH except the Holy Spirit filled believers who do not attend any building they call 'church'. I know from experience how unsafe church is. Jesuits say 'Black is white and white is black'. My feelings about Jesuits seem to ve been shared by all the good leaders of the world throughout the ages.
---frances008 on 2/14/09

From experience. There are definitely people within the RCC that have an odd fascination with statues of Mary and the Saints. And we should pray for them b/c some of it IS idol worship in form. But I personally know people that worship the Pittsburgh Steelers and Nascar as well and that is a form of idol worship. idol worship is really anything you put before god and we cant limit it to just physical statues or graven images. If one has a picture of his children in his wallet that he likes to adore from time to time is that worship of a graven image? I think not.
---Aaron on 2/14/09

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