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Is This Person Really Saved

I then asked this person how they fell down in their gut, in their innermost being? And they answered, I felt a tangling, a tightness in my stomach. So there is the conversation that took place. The question to you is do you believe this person has salvation now?

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 ---mima on 3/27/06
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NO I do not. Salvation is not a tingling in the arms or anywhere else. Not in the stomach or the guts either.
---catherine on 5/29/08

well,we know that salvation doesn't depend on feeling but on faith.if we believe in our heart that Jesus is the Son of God and confess with our mouth that God raised Him from the dead,we have eternal life/ only the individual who can testify that he/she has believed on the Lord then based on that we can assure him/her of salvation.if there's no genuine repentance that person'll only come out of the water " a wet sinner" when baptized,that'll be the only change but salvation,NO!!
---Patience on 5/29/08


1) Baptism is an act of obedience, it is not a ritual necessary for salvation (see the thief on the cross)

2) While Jesus only mentioned a baptismal formula once (Matthew 28:19, "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"), every recorded instance of the Apostles baptising someone was only in the name of Jesus, or Christ, or the Lord. (This is something that Apostolics always point out.)
---StrongAxe on 5/29/08

No, they have to be baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity as Jesus said before He returned to His Father.
This feeling measuring stick will only cause confusion later on by others and the person himself. Anyone can convince him he was in error and has to say the same words again if he joins another Church.
---Nicole on 5/29/08

I've seen how evangelists can talk a person to verses and tell them they are a sinner, then get them to copy-cat a prayer they have them say, then say, "See, now you're saved." And the person has not learned how our Father wants us to walk with Jesus > "everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me" (in John 6:45) Not, I'd say, just hearing a saved by grace doctrine, but learning how to live Sermon on the Mount love.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/29/08

Well, mima, I'd say, by now, you know tangling and tummy tightness mean nothing, by themselves. If they are a reaction of the Holy Spirit, good, though. ANYTHING is good, if it is of the Holy Spirit (o: I'd say we have the witness of the Holy Spirit to have us know about a person > simply however the Holy Spirit has us know. We can't go by surface actions or statements > that's outward appearance, say-so, whatever > John 7:24.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/29/08

Mima, only God can see the heart. I believe you have asked that question before. "how does anyone know if someone is saved" Eloy has taken that one a long ways and that is only possible by God himself. Our opinions are only our opinions.
---Lupe2618 on 5/29/08

All I have to say is we know if someone were saved or not by their fruits. Have their fruits changed? Are they serving the Lord and not Satan? Has the weekend drinking stopped? The fornication? The lieing? No amount of feeling can prove a salvation. The only thing that can show if one is truly saved or not is their fruits.
---Matthew on 5/15/07

That all depends on if this person asked God to fogive him/her. God can convict a person all day long but until they ask for forgiveness, and ask God into their heart, they won't get saved.
---Rebecca_D on 5/15/07

Mima ... How on earth can we have any idea whether this person is saved? You at least have seen him, spoken to him, & in this very strange way, heard him. We know nothing about him ... you have not even told that you were talking to him about God.
Maybe you were discussing rich creamy ice-cream, and that is why you got this funny feeling in your stomach.
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/06

Not everyone will feel the same thing when they get saved. Some laugh, cry, shout, sing, but some just cry. God works in different ways on different people. I don't depend of feelings, I just know I felt the Holy Spirit flow through me. And I cried and I laughed, I cried some more. Then later on I shouted. Because I knew right then and I still know that this is one soul Satan was not getting.
---Rebecca_D on 3/29/06

Rebecca--Actually, I felt nothing physical at all, unless you count a certain "lightness" of spirit. Awareness of my new life came in the days afterward.I don't think physical sensations can be depended upon to indicate anything. It then becomes too easy to give spiritual significance to every physical and emotional twinge. IMO We should depend more on prayer and meditation in the Word..then let the Holy Spirit work as He will.
---Donna2277 on 3/28/06

Donna; it is the spirit of God flowing through one's body. I'm sure that when you first got saved you felt the spirit of God flow through you.
---Rebecca_D on 3/28/06

What do tangling (sic) and a tightness in the stomach have to do with salvation?
---Donna2277 on 3/27/06

My salvation is based on Truth of Scripture, NOT feelings. If this person has confessed with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believed in his heart, then he probably is saved. That is between him and the Lord.

Why do you keep asking this question over and over?
---Madison on 3/27/06

I know when I was born again, I "felt" a lot of things. I shook, my heart raced, I fell under the power of God, I laughed.....but when all the experience was over, what mattered was what I knew in my heart, not what I felt. The change was obvious and I knew I was not the same person who entered the building that night. That is the assurance John talks about. No man calls Jesus "Lord" but by the Holy Spirit.
---Linda on 3/27/06

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The question really should be, "Does he know he has eternal life?" Has he confessed with the mouth the Lord Jesus and believed in his heart that God has raised Him from the dead? If so, he is saved according to the Scriptures. Asking this person how he felt could lead to a "subjective" answer and it sounds like it already did.
---Linda on 3/27/06

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