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Salvation Army Communion

Are there any here from Salvation Army? If so can you tell me why you do not take Communion and why you do not have baptism please?

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\\Cluny, When did Jesus ever say it is impossible to live a holy life and recieve the grace of God without taking sacraments during a church service? In fact, when did he even say that going to church at all is a requirement for receiving God's grace and living a holy life?\\

The Sacraments were given TO the Church, and that is where we receive them.

If you think you have better ideas about the Christian life than Jesus, go argue with Him, not me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/17/12

the passover (a jewish feast was once a year),was celebrated by the early church in its jew gentile disspensation.the church became gentile and has no need of communion or water baptism.
---anthony_bardsley on 8/17/12

\\we believe that it is possible to live a holy life and receive the grace of God without the use of physical sacraments and that they should not be regarded as an essential part of becoming a Christian. \\

Why does the SA disagree with Jesus?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/1/12

Cluny, When did Jesus ever say it is impossible to live a holy life and recieve the grace of God without taking sacraments during a church service? In fact, when did he even say that going to church at all is a requirement for receiving God's grace and living a holy life?
---Jed on 3/4/12


Regardless of customs, how can you totally neglect Jesus's explicit commandment "Do this in memory of me"?
---StrongAxe on 3/4/12

\\we believe that it is possible to live a holy life and receive the grace of God without the use of physical sacraments and that they should not be regarded as an essential part of becoming a Christian. \\

Why does the SA disagree with Jesus?

And why does the SA tolerate pre-natal infanticide?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/1/12

I am a member of the Salvation Army. The Salvation Army does not include the use of sacraments such as holy communion and baptism because we believe that it is possible to live a holy life and receive the grace of God without the use of physical sacraments and that they should not be regarded as an essential part of becoming a Christian. The inward experience is the most important thing, not outward signs of an inward experience. Salvationists see these sacraments as outward signs. I myself have been water baptised and I enjoy participating in the sacrament of communion. However, I also understand the church's position that we should not rely heavily on the outward signs of spiritual grace rather than on grace itself.
---Julie_Smith on 3/1/12

I didn't grow up in the S.A but my parents did and also my grandparents and all their families.I was always told, that, because back in those days, when christians celebrated communion they would drink real wine and because the S.A. was involved with recovering alcoholics and those from taverns and bars, they thought, that if they had communion, the former alcoholics would be tempted to go back to their old ways, therefore, they didn't celebrate communion within the church building,but I knew those who celebrated communion outwith the church, that is, the church building, Jesus said, when you do this, you do it in remembrance of me, He didn't say it had to be done in a church.
---Chris_Turner on 11/8/10

To continue with my first insert......... but, as the church, that is, in a home, on the beach, in your garden, doesn't matter where you have communion, in fact, it doesn't say that it has to even be a weekly or monthly thing, you can have it once a year if you like, it's just that when we do, we remember what He did on the Cross, the new covenant did away with rules and regulations, making people feel guilty if they didn't do something a certain way, the old covenant was full of those types of rules and regulations, Christ came that we would worship Him with a sense of freedom.
You know the song, I am Free to dance, I am Free to sing, I am Free to live for Him, I am Free. (Newsboys). God Bless.
---Chris_Turner on 11/8/10

In the very early days of The Salvation Army many who were alcoholics were saved through the ministry of the founder William Booth. Communion offered alcohol, which could be a detriment to these people who had been drinking. much controversy surrounded this issue that William Booth thought it would be confusing to new converts who were not versed in "church" or "religion". He wanted to express a simple salvation.
---Crystal on 1/31/08

You ask a very very interesting question. As to the Salvation Army not taking communion I have been told that it is because they deal with so many alcoholics. And do not want to use wine thereby tempting those who are having trouble with alcohol. As to why they do not practice baptism I have never gotten a satisfactory answer.
---mima on 4/10/07

I go to the Salvation Army and I believe the reason we don't have baptism is because the founder, William Booth was afraid that it would become a "works" thing for people. However, baptism is not opposed in the SA and is recognised by most as a command by Jesus. I have been baptised by my church pastor in the SA. We don't take communion on a regular basis, like the Catholic church does for example, but we certainly uphold it - I would like to see it done on a much more regular basis, myself.
---shela8978 on 5/22/06

Sorry Ann, I have only just seen your question ... I did mean originally
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/4/06

Alan, what do you mean by "not ordained ministers of religion"? We don't ordain the way the COE or other mainline denominations do, but our officers have to go through training college (our equivalent to seminary) and then when they graduate, are commissioned (ordained) as officers (pastors) and sent off to their appointments. They marry'em, bury'em, dedicate the babies and preach the Word of God. Our officers are as much ordained as an Anglican, or Baptist or any other.
---Ann5758 on 4/3/06

Somehow, my # 2 got lost. his is the gist of what I said. Booth saw the way in which the establishment treated the poor, and started meetings in halls, where they were not shoved to the back, but were allowed in the body of the meeting. And they were fed, and given back some of their self-respect
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/3/06

Rebecca ...# 5 I suspect that one prosaic and practical reason the Salvation Army did not have the sacraments of baptism and communion may have been that the leaders were not ordained ministers of religion.
Whilst I am a men=mer of the Church of England which originally condemned the SA, I am an immense admirer of the SA and contribute to their very worthwhile work among the homeless and underprivileged.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/2/06

Rebecca ...# 4 That is all very simplified and is about only a small part of the work and origin of the SA.
You can find out more by just googling Salvation Army ... then look at the "Spartacus" educational site.
Incidentally you will find there that a leading evangelist and political Lord described Booth as AntiChrist!!
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/2/06

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Rebecca ...# 3 And they had the message of Christ brought to them, Christ who could forgive theri sins, and give them the promise of heaven, and in this world help them to get out of the sink of the gutter and alcohol.
But Booth realised that alcohol was a great burden and temptation to them. He taught, as well ass the gospel, that they could be free of alcohol, and this really meant that there could be no alcoholic wine for communion. So they did not have communion at Salvation Army meetings
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/2/06

Rebecca ...# 1 take a step back and read Anne carefully.
To recap ... back in the bad days when Booth started the Salvation Army, there were many down & outs in London, and their main and only leisure was strong drink.
Those in ragged clothing were not welcome in the body of churches, and had to sit on the hard benches at the back.
Have you seen the film Titanic which shows the different values placed on the lives and persons of the poor?
Well 50 years before that, it was even worse.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/2/06

And it's amazing how many people don't think of the Army as being a church. We have our church buildings, called Citadels, and our pastors are officers- ours have the rank of Major. We sing many of the praise songs, we have a worship team, the band and songsters(choir)take part, the officer preaches, and we have an altar, called the mercy seat, where you can come to pray and meet with God.Our social outreach is important, but paramount to that is bringing people to Christ.
---Ann5758 on 4/2/06

Sorry, Rebecca, if you misunderstood what I said. My post doesn't even state that Booth brought the people into a church during their communion time. There was a lot of class discrimination at the end of the 18th century, and even though the poverty-stricken people could enter churches, they had to sit way at the back on wooden benches,out of the sight (and smell) of the well-off society. I take it that Christ wouldn't be very welcome in those churches, either.
---Ann5758 on 4/2/06

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Rebecca I am absolutely amazed that you did not know that the Salvation Army had anything to do with 'religion'. Did you never wonder why they are called the SALVATION Army? If you did some internet research on them and their founder you would find some really interesting information.
---f.f on 4/2/06

Ann; You were talking about communion in that church then you said, Booth brought people up front. And why are they not good enough to sit up front, as you stated? F.F; she should have said it that way. Our church we partake in communion as part of worship. Because we are worshiping Jesus and for who he his. Alan; I'm not speaking bad about Booth, I didn't know there was a religion from the Salvation Army. I just thought that it was a helping hand company. I guess it is both. I Apoligize Ann.
---Rebecca_D on 4/2/06

Ann5758: Thanks for your insightful & informative responses in this matter. I agree with you & believe the Salvation Army is a very noble, & dedicated Christian organization (church) & I will continue to support their efforts as often as I can.
---Leon on 4/1/06

Rebecca ... please do not be so quik to condemn others and what they say. read what f.f. says about William Booth, the founder of the Salvation Army, andf the other blogs which explain why the SA did not have Holy Communion. You might then realise that the men wh were brought to the front, were brought for the reasons f.f. describes and did not defile a communion table.
---alan_of_UK on 4/1/06

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Rebecca I cannot see where Ann says that these people were MADE to take communion. She says 'Most of these first converts were drunks, prostitutes,addicts,thieves-and their conversions were so immediate and intense'. The term 'street people' possibly refers to homeless people. William Booth did not want them treating like outcasts by leaving them at the back. Jesus wouldn't have either.
---f.f. on 4/1/06

Where does Christ command us to have communion included our worship services?
---ann5758 on 4/1/06

Rebecca, where did I say William Booth brought people to the front of the church and made them take communion? I was saying that he did not want these street people to have to sit in the backs of churches, which was the designated spot for people from the streets- they weren't good enough to sit right at the front of the church. He felt they were, and took these people up to the front to sit and listen.
---Ann5758 on 4/1/06

Ann; these sinners that you spoke about in your reply on 3/29, you said that this man put these sinners up front and was made to take communion. I understand what communion is, but sinners should not take part in communion unless they got saved first. I never said one had to do this once a month. I believe as the bible that one should examine themselves and be one of God's before they take part of any communion.
---Rebecca_D on 4/1/06

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Rebecca, if I have understood Ann correctly I think she is saying that William Booth (the founder of the Salvation Army) didn't want the street people to be restricted to sitting only at the back on rough wooden benches, so he brought them down to the front. Many were converted. Class distinction was rife, even in churches then. Sadly it still is in some.
---f.f. on 4/1/06

nothing commanded by God for us to do in church is a ritual. the jews kept their sacrifices and exactly the same services every time they did them. It is only a ritual to you because it is nothing. to us who believe it is the blood and body of Christ what so ever you believe you receive, exzucuh
---exzucuh on 3/31/06

Yes, whenever you eat bread & drink wine (or in other words, have a meal) remember what Christ did for you. Where does it say you must do this every month, or however often, at a worship service as part of the ritual of the worship?
---Ann5758 on 3/31/06

Ann; what Jesus told his disciples then, same goes for us now. His word has not changed. I asked was these people that were made to go up front, part of the communion along with the church?
---Rebecca_D on 3/31/06

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1 Corinthians 11:25-26 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.exzucuh
---exzucuh on 3/31/06

Where does scripture say that the communion held at the Last Supper was supposed to become a ritual? I believe Christ was telling His disciples AT THAT TIME that the bread & wine they were partaking of during that meal represented His body & blood, and EVERY TIME they share a meal and break bread with someone, it should bring to mind what He did for them. I don't believe it was ever meant to become a routine- a ritual.
---Ann5758 on 3/31/06

Ann; I don't understand, Wasn't Jesus setting an example of how we should be? like him, following in Jesus footsteps? I know that baptism doesn't save no one, but a christian going down in the water isn't coming up a sinner. Why would this Booth man put these people in front during communion? Did they take part? Please tell me they didn't.
---Rebecca_D on 3/31/06

And the answer about communion is right-the Army started in the very worst part of London-the east end.Churches has rough wooden benches right at the back for the street people to sit.William Booth took these people and led them right to the front.Most of these first converts were drunks, prostitutes,addicts,thieves-and their conversions were so immediate and intense,that any idea of drink or any symbol of alcohol sickened them.Also,they wanted nothing that could tempt them to their old ways.
---Ann5758 on 3/29/06

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We don't baptise since it's not necessary to salvation.We believe in ONE baptism,that of the Holy Ghost.Yes,it's an outer sign of an inner change,but what does it prove-you can go down a dry sinner & come up a wet one.Also,our leaders were afraid that what was happening in many churches would happen in the Army-the sacraments would become more important than the personal relationship with Jesus,so they didn't include them in our worship.They don't say we can't get baptised-we just don't do it.
---Ann5758 on 3/29/06

Mimi the communion answer is correct since I looked it up in their teaching book. They don't immerse since their Wesley view allows such positions being the warm heart is what tells you that the Holy Spirit has saved you (just like what John and Charles Wesley said both of them experienced)
---Billy on 3/29/06

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