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Is Holy Spirit A He Or It

A while back, someone here said, "The Bible refers to the Holy Spirit as *He*... not an *it*." I'd like to know if any of you consider an English Bible translation using "it" for the Holy Spirit to be good, and why?

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I noticed something in Luke 6:32. in response to "God only loves those who love Him."

Luke 6
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them"

Now God asked us what good is it to love only those who love you? Even sinners do that. Don't you think God would need to take his own advice if the above statement was true. I said it before and I say again, "God does not tell us to do things he doesn't do."
---Matthew_from_LA on 12/5/07

The reason why God brought me to the faith and to repentance is because he loved me. "For God so loved the world...." That includes unbelievers and the wicked. The Bible talks about those who God hates. Esau and Proverbs 1 are good places to start to see God's hatred also, but it doesn't change the fact that there are many unbelievers out there who God loves.
---Matthew_from_LA on 12/5/07

Catherine remember this.

Matthew 5:43-44

43Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you,

Love your enemies. That is what we are to do.
---Matthew_from_LA on 12/5/07

My statment is simply, God would not tell us to do something he doesn't do.

Remember when Jesus said, "Forgive them Lord for they do not know what they do."

We must live by his example and pour out love to both believers and unbelievers.
---Matthew_from_LA on 12/5/07

Romans 5:8
But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
---Matthew_from_LA on 12/5/07

Luke 6
32"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them..... 34And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. 35But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
---Matthew_from_LA on 12/5/07

Go through the Bible and see what God hated and whom He hated. I don't know where these notions comes from, that God loves everybody. I know where I think it comes from. Satan has got everyone FOOLED into believing that everyone is going to heaven. And that's just not the case. There is just too many scriotures that tells you what God has in store for the wicked man and the lost. No where does it say in the Bible that He loves the wicked man and the lost man. SORRY!
---catherine on 12/4/07

GOD loves everyone, but He does have a special more intimate Love for His Followers. It's impossible to have a relationship with someone who does not acknowledge you or love you back. Only those who receive GOD through YAHUSHUA (Jesus Christ) can ultimately benefit ETERNALLY from GOD's Love. Because, in Hell, one will only see GOD's Wrath (John 3:36).
---Gordon on 12/4/07

Proverbs 6:
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren

Looks like there are some folks he hates to me.
---Frank on 12/4/07

The Holy Spirit is the Counselor ...and Jesus is the the Holy Spirit is a "HE"
Read Isaiah 9:5-7...
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given,
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
---lisa on 12/4/07

For one, the Lord speaks by his word with no modern help.
Two, I did not call it cultish.
Three, don't accuse me of not seeking out his name.
His name is wonderful, counseller, the Mighty God, the Prince of Peace, Joshua the priest to follow Moses, the Word of God, High Priest, Saviour and many others.
All scripture from the King James Bible.
---Frank on 12/3/07

It is a He,....i know Him.
---Jack_fossett on 12/3/07

elder>> God loves the sinner those He plans to save. Scripture tells us that God loves those whom loves Him. The Bible is very clear how He feels about the wicked man and all of their doings and what lies ahead. What He is going to do with them. Not one scripture can you find in the whole Bible that saids God loves the wicked and lost man.>>>God loves those whom loves Him. Infact, there are so many scriptures that tells you what I am telling you. We are all sinners, only a few will be saved.
---catherine on 12/3/07

Catherine do you really believe your statement, "God loves whom loves Him"?
Well, I read the Bible and it says that God loves sinners.
I am not required to love God so that He will love me. He died for me that while I was yet a sinner His love was directed towards me.
Revisit where you came up with you statement and see how wrong it is.
---elder on 12/3/07

Catherine says "And He will be the one to rebuke me"
So true, Catherine.
But should not the same principle apply just as much to others?
If you insist that only God can rebuke you, then you yourself should leave others to be rebuked only by God.
---alan_of_UK on 12/3/07

Frank, You contest what I'm saying about the Saviour's True Name without researching it yourself. YAHUSHUA is 100% Jewish, given a Jewish Name. "Jesus Christ" is not a Jewish name. The K.J.V.'s N.T. has errors in pronouns and in common names. And a True Holy Prophet of GOD is appointed by GOD Himself to SPEAK His current Messages. Unwise to label "cultish" that which is Truly of the Lord GOD. GOD has a Mouth, He is speaking today, ASIDE from just the Holy Bible, through His Prophets.
---Gordon on 12/2/07

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CiNdY92714, II Peter 5 tells us that there are Three that bear Record in Heaven, the Father YAHUVEH, the Word YAHUSHUA and the Holy Spirit SHKHINYAH, and these Three are ONE. Three-in-ONE. John 1:1 says "In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with GOD and the Word WAS God." John 1:14 tells us that YAHUSHUA is that Word. In John 10, YAHUSHUA declares "I and the Father are ONE." If you deny the Deity of YAHUSHUA you have missed the Main Point.
---Gordon on 12/2/07


The Holy Spirit is not an "It", nor a her.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
---trey on 11/30/07

Danie, (continued)

Since the Holy Spirit is equal with God, and is sometimes referred to as the Spirit of Christ, it is inconceivable that we should call him an it or a her.

Lord bless you,
---trey on 11/30/07


Christ is the Son of God, and God. He is said to be equal with God (John 5:18, Phil 2:6). He is the express image of God (John 14:7, 14:9, Heb. 1:3). Christ is also said to be in the Father, and the Father in him (John 10:38). Christ and the Father are in total unity (1 John 5:7). Christ Jesus being God, and the Son of God, has always existed with God (John 17:5, John 1:1).
---trey on 11/30/07

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CiNdY92714, (continued)

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

If that doesn't convince you that Jesus is God, please let me know.

Lord bless you all,
---trey on 11/30/07

The issues of the Lord's name being translated wrong is indeed a carnal matter.
If the information does not come from the King James Bible ONLY I will not consider it.
Anyone can say a word means such and such. I only care what God says it means.
And that being scripture interpreting scripture.
Not another book, dictionary, thesaurus, scholar or egotistical heretic who sells another book but is too lazy to work for a living!
---Frank on 11/30/07

Darline Need I remind you that too many so called Christians are indeed loving people right into hell. I only put in what God gives me. And He will be the one to rebute me. I am not a preacher who preaches, love, love, peace, peace type messages. [false preachers] "God loves whom loves Him". And I love Him. Good day.
---catherine on 11/30/07

"The Messiah, the True Christ, the Son of GOD has a REAL VALID NAME."YAH-USHUA" means "YAH Saves!" (GOD Saves!). Gordon

I agree with you, HOWEVER YAHSHUA is not God himself. BUT A SON..

"Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name,

yes Yahweh and Yahshua.
---CiNdY92714 on 11/30/07

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Yahshua said, "I am come in My Father's Name."
The Family Sacred Name {YAH} is found in Many Prophets like EliJah (more properly, EliYah, which means
"My Mighty One is Yah")

also note the "Yah" sound at the end of IsaYah, YerimiYah,
ObadiYah, ZephaniYah, ZechariYah) all WERE GREAT PROPHETS or men of YAHWEH.

Which is above every NamePhilippians 2: 9-11.
---CiNdY92714 on 11/30/07

Catherine,let me remind you it isn't a very loving Christian thing to bawl out all who have a mind and think or try to reason, unsaved. Just because people don't line up with what you believe doesn't mean everyone is wrong,there is a real possibility for any of us,except when quoting the Bible,to be wrong but its not for anyone to be critical of others. That turns people away from Christ not to him. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 11/30/07

I do see way too much reasongs on here. You all need to get saved and get a Bible and study tools and start digging as the Person of the living God directs you. You think too much, you reason too much, you are too much. Woe unto you.
---catherine on 11/30/07

Do you still not realize the Spirit of God is the spirit of God? It's not a person! It's not 1/3 of ANYTHING.

God's Spirit indwells and impowers you to become Christ like. Yaweh begotten children. Don't you believe you too are a begotten child of God when you accept Yeshua?

If so then Go's spirit dwells in you.. giving you the power and character of how and what, Yaweh is like, Don't you get it, there is ONLY one God who works in Us, Not 3. The HS is God's Spirit, not A SEPERATE BEING!
---CiNdY92714 on 11/30/07

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I do not care if it says an it. The Person of the Holy Spirit is not an it. It is no object. The Person of the Holy Spirit has passion, Love, Anger, Grieves, talks, hears, walks, holds, ect. God is more alive than you or I. If the Person of the Holy Spirit is an it then so are we an it. You are never, never, to refer to the Person of the Holy Spirit as an it. He is a Person.
---catherine on 11/30/07

God is our Father Mat 5:48,male,Jesus is God's Word made flesh John 1:14,male,the Holy Ghost is one with God and Christ,therefore the only thing the HG could be is male 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,the Father,the Word,and the Holy Ghost:and these three are one. HG isn't an it. John 14:16-18 all these verses calls Spirit of Truth/Holy Ghost he not it or she and shows one with Christ. Matt 1:23 Christ's name Emmanual,God is with us.
---Darlene_1 on 11/30/07

Frank, The issue of whether or not the Saviour's Name was accurately translated in the Scriptures is not just a "carnal" matter. The Messiah, the True Christ, the Son of GOD has a REAL VALID NAME. As He was born of JEWISH Lineage, His Name would NOT be of any Gentile or Greek origin. Because He was God Himself in the Flesh then whatever His Name is, it would something SPECIFIC and extremely meaningful in how it is spelled. "YAH-USHUA" means "YAH Saves!" (GOD Saves!).
---Gordon on 11/30/07

In some places in the NT Holy Spirit is assigned the masculine pronoun and in other places the neuter pronoun. So take your pick. The HS has no gender anyway...
---InimicusStultitiae on 11/29/07

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I think we think alot alike many times Gordon, I really enjoy seeing your stuff, and find that you are intelligent and greatly intune with the things of the Spirit of God.....Blessings Whisper.
---Whisper on 11/29/07

Whisper, I can tell that you know and receive the Truth. It is so good to see other Saints who are open to the Truth. Even when it does not fit TRADITION. GOD has so much to reveal to His Saints today that He wants them to know and learn. And, there are things that He will ONLY reveal through His Prophets, because that is how He set things up. Some mock me for quoting Ephesians 4:11-12 and Amos 3:7 so much but I need to for many in today's Church are NOT TAUGHT of GOD's Prophets of today. YAH Bless you !
---Gordon on 11/29/07

Frank and Gordon, I find you both to be right. God Bless

---Whisper on 11/28/07

The statement of inacurate translation, King James calling him Jesus and such are carnal things.

The statement by Jesus that "he" shall guide thee into all truth and "he" shall glorify me is SCRIPTURE in the book of John.

I would not call a she what he himself called a he.

I personally believe the word AS WRITTEN in the King James Bible and not lean to man's understanding of mistranslations and such.
---Frank on 11/26/07

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You missed the point totally on what I was trying to say.
I can't put it any clearer or simpler.
You cannot call Jesus a liar by saying that anything he calls a he is a she.
---Frank on 11/26/07

"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever, the Spirit of Truth,
whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you, and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans, I will come to you." (John 14:16-18)
---Michelle on 11/26/07

"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." (Matt. 28:18-20)
---Michelle on 11/26/07

God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Attributes ascribed to Father and Son are equally ascribed to Holy Spirit. When a person becomes born again by believing and receiving Jesus Christ (John 1:12-13, John 3:3-21), God resides in that person through the Holy Spirit (1Cor. 3:16). The Holy Spirit has intellect (1Cor. 2:11), emotion (Rom. 15:30), and will (1Cor. 12:11).
---Michelle on 11/26/07

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Frank, The KJV, which I use mostly, did not get accurately translated (from the Hebrew) to the Greek, finally to the English. A prime example are the proper names. Think about it! King James called our Saviour "JESUS CHRIST". But, that's "anglicized" Greek! It's a Grecian name. (Anointed by GOD for NOW!) But, the Son of GOD is Jewish! A Hebrew! Born of Jewish lineage. Born in a small Israeli town, Bethlehem! "Salvation is of the Jews FIRST, then to the Greeks (Gentiles)!"
---Gordon on 11/26/07

Frank, That revelation of the Holy Spirit is from GOD Himself, through a Prophet of His. And this is why I mention the Verses of Ephesians 4:11-12 and Amos 3:7 so much. YES! There ARE MANY FALSE PROPHETS, RAVENOUS WOLVES, in the Church today! But, GOD STILL has His handful of TRUE Faithful, Holy Prophets also! GOD shares His Secrets with His servants the Prophets, to minister to His people, the Saints. Be careful not to lean on YOUR own understanding. PRAY to the Lord GOD yourself about this!
---Gordon on 11/26/07

Since the Lord God is the would be right to say it is His Spirit..which means male. God is always referred to as male. Look at Jesus. True man and True God.
---lisa on 11/25/07

The Holy Spirit is neither a He nor an It. The Holy Spirit is a She.

I would be very cautious about calling "she" that which the Lord himself called "he."

Regardless of what a definition says, it is what the Lord says that matters. The spiritual things of God many times will not seem right by definitions.
That "carnal knowledge" is going to damn many that "lean to their own understanding."
---Frank on 11/25/07

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The Holy Spirit is neither a He nor an It. The Holy Spirit is a She. The Holy Spirit (RUACH HA KODESH) is the "Wisdom" that is mentioned in the Book of Proverbs. Her Name is SHKHINYAH. The human family of father, mother and children are patterned after the Holy Trinity. Father YAHUVEH, Son YAHUSHUA (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit SHKHINYAH. GOD is ONE, but, Three-in-ONE. GOD said in Genesis "Let US make man in Our Image...male and female made He them." Revealed by a Holy Prophet.
---Gordon on 11/24/07

Scripturally male signifies the stronger vessel.
Female signifies the weaker vessel.
"He" is the strongest Spirit there is and the one that shall not be blasphemied without eternal consequences!
"He" seeks only that which glorifies Jesus and definately not man nor woman!
"He" is that which many refuse to hearken to while professing Christ!
---Frank on 11/24/07

Betty, although that's a true statement (neither God nor angels are male or female), each member in the triune nature of God is personal *not* an "it" (not a thing!; in English we only refer to things as an 'it'), so what do you think of Bible translations that refer to the Holy Spirit as "it"?
---Daniel on 11/23/07

There is neither male are female in the spirit.
---Betty on 5/4/07

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My previous post did not display correctly... the "nn epenthetic or nn demonstrative" is not "nn", there is supposed to be a letter u with circumflex between the "nn".
---tofurabby on 6/26/06

It appears to have a first person plural pronoun attached, but thats not what it is. It has a -nu suffix which is known as nn epenthetic or nn demonstrative. The word in question in verse 7 is in pause. It is placed there, and in that form for emphasis. Used in Western Aramaic. As a Hebrew form it would certainly go way over the heads of the fake Hebraicists whose entire "knowledge" of Hebrew comes from Strong's Concordance. KJV translated correctly - God's Word will be preserved.
---tofurabby on 6/26/06

[-2-] "Heb. him. i. every one of them." The first part means that the word in the Hebrew text is "him" (thus it can *not* refer to God's 'words'). [The little "i." means 'that is' as in 'i.e.'] The second part shows why the KJV translators used the word "them": They decided the 'him' should be plural as in "(that is) every one of them" and we don't say "hims" in English. So they also believed v.7 refers to the poor/needy in v.5.
---danie9374 on 5/28/06

[-1-] chris, I've found a 'real 1611' Bible, so must add: The KJV Translators would *not* agree with your view either (not to mention any Hebrew scholar). I believe they would be appalled that their work is being published WITHOUT any of their original notes; which may be critical to understanding some of the words they used! Psalm 12:7 is such a case; esp. if you don't know Hebrew. Their note is added just before the word "them" in the phrase "preserve them" and states:
---danie9374 on 5/28/06

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Thank you, danie9374. I appreciate your insight. However, I use the Holy Spirit to give me guidance and will leave you to your grammar. I dont take Gods Word lightly. I majored in English Lit. and have a pretty good concept of grammar. I look at that chapter as a whole, so it started with a controlling idea or claim. Then there is the explanation, development, and supporting evidence. There are a couple deviations that shift focus, but still the main idea is words. Vain babblings v. Gods.
---chris on 5/19/06

One last comment: It's shameful the KJV never refers to an 'unclean spirit' or 'devil' (in Mt.9:32f.; both demons) as an 'it' (instead 'he' is always used), *yet* in the passages cited below, the KJV (and a few others) use 'it' of the Holy Spirit! Also, like 'pneuma' (spirit), 'daimonion' (demon) is grammatically 'neuter' in Greek; so that's no excuse.

chris: If you don't use GRAMMAR to understand Scripture, all you have are your 'feelings'; God's Word is too holy and important to treat that way!
---danie9374 on 5/19/06

The the chapter begins with the godly man that ceaseth. Look ath what is the subject doing: speaking vanity which is oppressiing the poor. The puffed words from the godly man that seaseth is the subject of the chapter. In contrast God promises his words will remain regardless of what these men say. You speak of grammer, I am looking for the subject, verb, etc. and it is clear what is meant.
---chris on 5/7/06

\*5*\ [about 'protect them'] "The third person plural pronominal suffix on the verb is masculine, referring back to the 'oppressed' and 'needy' in v. 5..." "The suffix does not refer to ('imaroth, 'words') in v. 6, because that term is feminine gender." (NET Bible Translators Note 21.) If anyone has further questions about this, they can message me; I may not be able to get back here again.
---danie9374 on 5/7/06

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\*4*\ So, there are no contextual reasons forcing us to accept _your opinion_ on this passage; yet, you're completely ignoring the grammatical facts! Anyone who reads French, German, Spanish, well, MOST languages of Europe, if not the whole world, knows the importance of agreement in 'grammatical gender' between pronouns and their antecedents. This isn't my opinion; all Hebrew commentaries follow this rule. The NET Bible's note on Ps. 12:7 states: [cont.]
---danie9374 on 5/7/06

\*3*\ Note the word "preserve" is used here of people. Will they really "dwell" in "the land" (Israel) for all eternity? No, God tells us in 2 Peter and Revelation this earth will be destroyed and His redeemed will live with Him in heaven for all eternity; not on earth. David often wrote about God 'keeping' and 'preserving' himself or others; e.g., Psalm 16:1; 32:7; 40:11; 121:7-8; 140:1,4 are just a few of them. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 5/7/06

\*2*\ David is writing about the 'poor' and 'needy' in *each generation* and that God will protect/save them from evil! "For ever" in the Psalms doesn't always mean 'for all eternity' either, or else we'd have a big problem with passages such as: "For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off. The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever." (Ps.37:28-29 KJV) [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 5/7/06

\*1*\ chris: I was out of town and then had much more pressing issues to deal with. What you're disagreeing with chris is *not* me, but one of the most basic points of Hebrew Grammar even the KJV O.T. translators would correct you on if they could! But for the sake of others here, let's take a brief look at the only point you raised that might cause some confusion. You said: "...they should still be around today..." Well, they are chris! Do you see any names there? No. [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 5/7/06

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-2- v. 6-7 Gods words are declared pure over those who speak vanity with flattering lips against the poor and needy

Now if it's about the people as "words", my question is, where are they now? If the Lord preserved them from this generation for ever, they should still be around today wouldnt they? No, because YOU are manipulating word meanings "to just so you can 'make a point' and/or appeal to your feelings". It is literal not metaphorical. The whole passage is about words.
---chris on 4/25/06

-1- Sorry danie9374, I have to disagree.
v. 1-2 Is a description of people who are full of vanity and they "speak vanity... with flattering lips"
v. 3-4 God declares action against them "The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:" them being those "Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own"
v. 5 God will relieve the "oppression of the poor" and "sighing of the needy" from THEM
---chris on 4/25/06

(=3=) because "words" is 'feminine' in the Hebrew, whereas "keep" and "them" in v.7 are 'masculine' (as are "poor" and "needy" in v.5).
For people who've never studied a foreign language this can be difficult, and it really irks me when some 'pastor' (*if* he knows better) decides you don't need to know what "them" really refers to just so he can 'make a point' and/or appeal to your feelings.
---danie9374 on 4/25/06

(=2=) refers to must be based on grammar, not your FEELINGS; otherwise you make a mockery of Scripture; allowing it to mean anything to anyone! Read all of Psalm 12; anyone can see we must determine what "them" refers to and that more than one antecedent is possible in the English here. Only by looking at the Hebrew (as I've already shown below), do we know for a fact that "them" cannot refer to the "pure words" in v.6 ("'imraoth") [cont.]
---danie9374 on 4/25/06

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(=1=) chris: If you really wanted to know what the Bible says, you'd spend the necessary time to learn *how to understand* it! Ps.12:7 is a 'classic example' of everyone like YOU reading it the way THEY *FEEL* it means rather than taking the time to truly understand what God told us! You read this with preconceived notions and 'rip words out of context' to suit yourself, then have the audacity to claim that's what others are doing when confronted by the facts! What the word "them" in v.7 [cont.]
---danie9374 on 4/25/06

Only the original writings by Mark, Paul, etc. (autographa) are inerrant. Since copy machines were not invented, we have copies of copies, etc. and some have errors.
That does not mean that we do not have a clear sense of Scripture. We do.
We check& recheck the manuscripts that exist and determine the best possible reading, closest to what agrees with the rest of the NT.
More data on this is in books like Lindsell's Battle for the Bible and, Harris's Inspirition &Canonicity of Bible .
---John_T on 4/24/06

danie9374, I will continue to assume Psalm 12:7 means exactly what it says. Feel free to read into it whatever you like, although I do not recommend doing so.
---chris on 4/24/06

I dont know why, but I find it completely humorous that everyone goes back to the "Greek Manuscripts" to make their points. I am always hearing "the original manuscripts no longer exist, so there are mistakes", which is always followed by "if you look in the original manuscripts, word A really means B and was mistranslated, because my sources are better than their sources and I know more about 1st century Greek than they."
---chris on 4/24/06

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Chris: Your quoting Psalm 12:7 in the belief that it speaks of God's words, it does not! I very much believe that God's Word "stands forever" (Isaiah 40:8), *but* Ps.12:7 is about God keeping or preserving the 'poor' and 'needy' in verse 5; *not* about some translation. The Hebrew is very clear here: "them" in v.7 has to agree with a 'masculine' subject (both poor and needy are masculine), but "words" is 'feminine' so "them" cannot refer to it!
---danie9374 on 4/20/06

Chris: Now from what you recently replied (even though you didn't explain exactly what you believe about Inspiration of Scripture and the KJV), it appears you're saying the KJV *can* have mistakes in it. So, maybe you're not a 'KJV is 100% perfect' advocate. I have no problems with those who prefer KJV over others! But if you believe Christians should use ONLY KJV; that's well, as Un-Biblical as it would be to tell Early Christians they could use ONLY the Hebrew Text instead of the Greek Septuagint!
---danie9374 on 4/20/06

(-2-) And in every instance the NASB, ESV and NKJV Bibles do so! But the KJV, *even though* it does use 'he' in many passages to refer to the Spirit (where the Greek is neuter), does *not* do so in these passages! There are no grammatical reasons for this; the KJV is just both inconsistent and wrong to refer to the Spirit this way in English (as are some other versions too)!
---danie9374 on 4/20/06

(-1-) Confused Chris: First, READ my (1)&(2) on 4/11/06 about John 16:13 where the Greek literally refers to the Spirit as 'masculine' twice (He and Himself); even though the Gk. noun 'spirit' is 'neuter'! Because of this and other passages (like Acts 5:3-4), we KNOW the Holy Spirit should be referenced as 'he' (in the sense of a conscious 'person'; not as male). [Cont.]
---danie9374 on 4/20/06

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Chris ... The KJV is a translation. There are many others as well. There are those into other languages. Show me God's fingerprint on the KJV.
I love it, but it is not exclusive in being the Word of God.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/20/06

Alan, I cannot be a critic of the Word of God. I love it and as far as I am concerned I have every spec that God wanted me to know, in print, in my KJV... indexed, chaptered, and even broken into verse. God is amazing to deliver it this way... I dont think he expected the 21st century to wander around with scrolls to read the scriptures.
---chris on 4/20/06

Chris ... Are there so many who crucify the KJV? Not really, there are far more here who condemn any other translation.
Marvellous translation as it is, and written in inspired English, it is not "the complete one that is inspired by God", because it is itself only a translation.
There is no evidence that Paul's words about "all scripture ... " referred to a translation made some 15 centuries after his death.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/20/06

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