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Are You Following Christ

Pope Benedict XVI urged Catholics to look ahead, one year after the death of Pope John Paul II, saying they should heed the late pontiff's exhortation and not be afraid to follow Christ. Are you following Christ?

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Jerry : Thanks and God bless you eternity too. Pray that many more would be like you, though from different denominations but speak of oness in true spirit to glorify the Lord, instead of turning against each other back. Such act is causing division amongst the body of Christ.
---Water_Lily on 4/10/06

Steve ... can you remind us about "...He allowed Paul to write be ye followers of me"
Do you mean paul claimed Jesus said to him that we should follow Paul, and not Jesus?
Please supply the scripture
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/9/06

While it is true someone with incorrect theology may Go to heaven because of their ignorance and they believe on Jesus, they are easy prey of Satan and suffer things in this Life they could have avoided, people perish for lack of Spiritual Knownlege. I see this every day. I have seen the dead raised in my family and many other miracles because of correct theology.
---Exzucuh on 4/9/06

Hey MOD (1/2):I think your 4/5 comment is incorrect, "One can't be Christian and be a cult..."

We are saved by grace, not by our theology, another form of works. Without doubt the SDAs are a cult, but many of them are saved. Likewise are some of the "Charismaniacs" or the "hyper Calvinists" or semipelagian Arminians.

Moderator - Within some of the groups you are mentioning, I know "some" are Christians, however Mormon and JWs probably extremely few.
---John_T on 4/8/06

Hey MOD (2/2):That is why some in the RCC and Orthodox churches are saved. Yes, those who have another gospel and worship Korean ministers, etc. are way off, and most likely are not saved, iit is not for us to say who goes to heaven.

All we can do is point out fallacies, and point to the Truth in Jesus.
---John_T on 4/8/06

I am neither catholic or protestant..Im one of those fried chicken eatin baptist. No baptist are not protestants as some would believe...And as far as what thus sayeth the Lord about following Jesus...He allowed Paul to write be ye followers of me..So we are to follow Paul because he was born with sin same as us...Jesus without.
---Steve on 4/8/06

Ann, I was commenting about your "If the Bible is inspired...." There are lots of things not mentioned in the Bible including Christ's youth.
---A_Catholic on 4/8/06

A Catholic, what does that comment have to do with what I said?
---ann5758 on 4/8/06

Water Lilly: I am a protestant, and as such have many serious doctrinal differences with Catholicism. However, having known many sincere Catholic believers, I know that they are among some of the most devout of Jesus' followers. What a pity that so many so-called Christians on these blogs exhibit the vilest forms of religious bigotry and name-calling. I hope to see you in eternity.
---jerry6593 on 4/8/06

Ann, if the Scriptures had to talk about Jesus life from the age of 12 to 30, His Mother would definitely be mentioned quite a bit because as a child, Christ depended on her same as any child depends on his mother.
---A_Catholic on 4/8/06

It would have been nice of God to let Mary asscend but that still does not mean I should pray to her, I do not pray to Enoch or Elijah whom both were taken alive into heaven. or Moses who met with jesus on the mount of transfiguration, when the disiples wanted to build three temples to worship jesus moses and elijah God spoke from heaven and told them to serve jesus alone.
---Exzucuh on 4/8/06

If the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit inspired the writers to tell about 2 normal men who were taken alive from this world to be with God (Enoch and Elijah), would not the Spirit inspire one of the writers of the NT to tell of the Translation of someone as important as the mother of Jesus? If it happened, I think it would definitely be included in scriptures.
---Ann5758 on 4/7/06

Dictionary defines "Christian" - anyone who follows teachings of Jesus.

Bible definition - one who is baptized with water in the name of the Trinity - then Mormons & JW's are clearly not Christian.

Pick the definition you like. I know many Mormons who called themself Christians and many who say Catholics are not.

Look into your heart at your own Faith. Do not judge others, that is Jesus' job. If you do, you don't need Jesus to jugde you since you took His job away from Him.

Moderator - Catholics believe in Jesus + Traditions, therefore according to your defintion they are not Christian. Mormons believe in Jesus + Joseph Smith, therefore they are not Christians, etc.
---Water_Lily on 4/7/06

I've never heard Benny H., Billy G, Joyce M., Copeland and various Protestant leaders/ministers on TV have criticised Pope, Mary and Catholics.

Above all, I've never heard any Catholic, esp. Pope and their Pastors/Priests/Ministers etc. have ever said anything bad against non-Catholics like the way you did to them.

Followers of Christ don't possess sprit of hatred and discrimination, lest you forget God is Love.

When you say : "More of you, Lord" - where is the result?
---Water_Lily on 4/7/06

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that the pope was not a great guy. He was a kind, loving, gentle man who cared deeply for his followers. But that does not negate the fact that he was the head of the Catholic church which teaches idol worship in its prayers to saints that are dead. That is leading people to sin against the Lord.

Mary's ascension is not recorded in scriptures and therefore is a lie of the devil. Scriptures are clear that we are to worship Christ and Christ alone.
---Madison on 4/6/06

So who was Jesus' mother? I'm going to have to get a new bible since mine says it was Mary and not some pagan god.

Moderator - Answer the question given and don't attempt to deflect with another question. Otherwise, comments may not get posted :)
---George on 4/6/06

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I would like to say this again there is one mediator between God and man Jesus 1tim 2:5 which means no one else can pray for you or hear you in heaven, jesus said anyone trying to get to the father by going around him was the same as a theif and a robber he does not give his glory to another but will share his glory with those who obey him.exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/6/06

Thats funny, all the pagans I know don't even believe in Mary, Jesus, or God.

Moderator - The Mary god replaced the god of Diana and other gods within the Roman empire.
---George on 4/6/06

Since there is no record of Mary's death there is no way to prove if she died or ascended. There are many ocasions on which she has appeared to people throughout the world which have been thoroughly investigated by the church. For Catholics the proof is there that Mary ascended and is not dead. Even if she did die she was truly a saint and as I proved yesterday the saints were freed from death when Jesus died on the cross. If you don't think she's a saint you're mistaken.

Moderator - All Christians are called saints in the bible. There are no scriptures that state Mary ascended as that is a pagan myth.
---George on 4/6/06

A Catholic you say "the RCC DOES NOT worship Mary."&"We ask Mary to pray for us." I ask many people to pray for me as I'm sure every Christian does but the people we ask are alive and capable of praying for us. Mary has been dead for a long time. To pray to someone who is dead sounds like a form of worship to me. If you don't think that it is, what do you call that activity? Living believers can pray FOR us but those prayers must only be prayed TO Jesus who takes them to the Father.
---M.P. on 4/6/06

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In every country Pope john Paul II visited he spoke with the leaders and urged them to allow religious freedom, end wars, take care of the poor, support research on aids and other diseases, and to support human rights. He was not a politician, he was a messenger of God, period.
---George on 4/6/06

Before you say that Pope John Paul II was a politician working with the world leaders to bring communism to it's knees. In Poland he did two things that helped end communism. He gave his blessing to solidarity and the most effective act was holding mass on the front steps of the communist capital building to over 2.5 million citizens.
---George on 4/6/06

Pope John Paull II was also involved with the political side of the world by not as a fellow politician but as an enemy. He had more to do with the fall of the Soviet Union and the Berlin wall than all of the politicians in all of the free countries combined. Even Ronald Regan and the republican leaders in congress agreed that without his intercession in Poland the cold war would have lasted another decade at least.
---George on 4/6/06

The week of his funeral the entire news media covered ever aspect of his life. It was on 24/7 all week. During the hundreds of interviews on the major news networks not one person could say anything negative about him. There were some that tried but they were interrupted before they could get more than a few words out. I watched it all and was awed by the spectacle. God took control of one of satan's prize possesions, the media, for a week, and through it He spread the good news to the entire world.
---George on 4/6/06

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Pope John Paul II brought the message of Christ to over millions of people when he travelled. He spoke to people of all denominations not just catholics. Even the big names like Billy Graham went to hear him speak. He touched the hearts of over 150 million children and opened their hearts to Christ and many either returned to or began going to church and not just catholic ones.
---George on 4/6/06

Madison : You said that this subject is about Pope alone and asked me not to talk about Protestants when referances were made.

I have a query for you now - since you said it was about the Pope, what has it got to do with mother Mary which you posted?
---Waterlily on 4/6/06

Pastor Benny Hinn attended Pope's funeral with the 700-club TV crew.

During the TV interview, Pastor Benny Hinn said :"Pope John Paul was a man of God and the moving power of the Holy Spirit brought millions of people here. No one has spread spread the gospel to the world as widely as he did."

This is another confirmation I've heard from a Protestant/Evangelical Pastor about the Pope and the Catholics.
---Water_Lily on 4/6/06

Madison, I put flowers on my Mom's and Dad's graves. Should I be guilty of idolatry?
---A_Catholic on 4/6/06

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Madison: I didn't mean to miss spell your name on purpose. Don't need feel offended.

Re-read the whole postings and count how many times Protestants have been brought up.

We've to be fair and just for this debate. Loop-side thoughts are unChrist like. Imagine if you were to discuss with a Thelogian/leader about it, many references will be brought up.

Keep an open mind for the discussion as there is nothing to do with who is the winner and who is the looser. This is a open forum.
---Water_Lily on 4/6/06

A Catholic: When I was in Catholic school, every May we would put crowns of flowers on the statue of Mary everyday and sing Ave Maria and kneel down in front of her statue. If that is not worship, I do not know what is.

Bowing before a statue of someone and praying to it is idol worship.
---Madison on 4/6/06

Water Lily, you keep spelling my name wrong and I find it offensive.

Anyway, the protestant leaders are not in question here. The question was about what a great guy the pope is because he told kids to follow Christ.
---Madison on 4/6/06

Some Protestants & Evengelical churches mislead members with false doctrines also.

I attended one leading Protestant church, their leaders cursed at other denominations during service.

I left the church and went to another which they've invited different leaders from various denonimations as guest speakers.

Thelogian friends clarify the accusations that other denominations who turned against the Catholics. They said that RCC are Christians also who worship the same God.
---Water_Lily on 4/6/06

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For the umpteenth times, the RCC DOES NOT worship Mary. I disrespect such accusation coming from any of you. We ask Mary to pray for us. If I had the power I would make you write "RCC does not worship Mary" 100 times hoping it will sink in your brains.

Moderator - Why not pray directly to your Saviour then? Mary can't help you. The reason people are concerned A_Catholic is that asking Mary to pray for you comes from
pagan practices not the Bible.
---A_Catholic on 4/5/06

I'm paraphrasing here so don't jump all over it and ask for scripture quotes. Instead I challenge you to disprove this with scripture.

Jesus conquered death. When he died the saints buried in Jerusalem awoke and entered the town and showed themselves to all there. So, the saints are no longer among the dead.

Also the translation of the word for saint can also mean "most holy" or "angels" according to the KJV rev 2
---George on 4/5/06

That is the name of the cult.

Moderator - Yes, that is a cult and isn't considered Christian by anybody. It's a relationship with the person and knowledge of the Bible that brings them out. However, they are going to question many doctrines in the Catholic church which are Traditions versus from the Bible and he will believe you are the one lost. Find some Evangelical friends whom can build a relationship with him and agree in prayer and fasting for his salvation.
---George on 4/5/06

I don't want to disclose the name in the blog since there may be some who would take offense at it. There are Christian cults just google it and you're sure to find a few. This particular cult openly admits to using mind control techniques they call "thought Cleansing" and the members are taught to be happy for receiving it. It's cause my brother some really horrible side effects but he is still locked into it and I can't find any assistance to get him out. Only prayer can help.

Moderator - The organization you are mentioning isn't Christian, but is a cult. One can't be Christian and be a cult - it is either one or the other and in this case a cult. You can post the name in the post for me and I will not post the info if you wish, but at least I can give you some helpful info to get him out.
---George on 4/5/06

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1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/5/06

Moderator: I posted a defense to being told I am ignorant about Mary, and you did not post it. Was there something wrong with my defending myself. I attended Catholic school and was told by priest to pray to Mary as penance as a teenager. I believe I am not ignorant of the Catholic teaching on Mary worship.

Moderator - I believe you are 100% correct in your statements about the Catholic Church. I think all of your posts have been posted. If not, post again.
---Madison on 4/5/06

George: Those prayers of the saints are of the living believers on earth today. There is nothing in the Bible about canonizing dead people and making them special. Those dead saints are just dead. They do nothing for us now.
---Madison on 4/5/06

Water Lily, I am not ignorant of any of the Catholic doctrines I learned in my 3 years of Catholic school and 18 years of attending the Catholic church every Sunday. December the 8th is a Holy Day of Obligation in honor of Mary. I got the day off from school and had to go to mass on that day. I was told by priests in confession to pray to Mary for help with purity as a teenager. I was taught the Hail Mary in first grade. I was given a rosary when I received my first holy communion.
---Madison on 4/5/06

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Since my brother is in a Christian mind control cult I'm used to people ignoring all of the pertinent facts and focusing on one item that can't be proven. The main issue that you should be meditating on is that the bible supports asking both other people and saints to intercede and take our prayers to Jesus, not that there is no proof of Mary being in Heaven, other than the obvious, she is the handmaiden of God and the mother of His son, our saviour, Jesus. If she's not in heaven then nobody is.

Moderator - What is a "Christian mind control cult"? Either it is Christian or a cult, but not both. What's the name of the organization?
---George on 4/5/06

A saint from heaven came to John in revelation when John tried to worship him this is What he said:Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/5/06

Christa ... I do not think anyone here has suggested that Mary was at the Last Supper.
We still wait for the RC people here to give scripture to suppot the idea that Mary never died.
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/5/06

George & Rebecca......You have your Scriptures mixed up. In Acts 1:12-14 Mary was in an upper room praying with some of the disciples, BUT, at the Last Supper, Jesus was with only His disciples. Mark 14:17. 17) And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
---Chria4885 on 4/5/06

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Madition: You are just as ignorant and naive as many others about Pope, Mary and the Catholics etc.

One TCT TV "ask your pastors" a Pastor from 1st AOG in US has addressed the Catholics as Catholic-Christians, Baptists as Baptist-Christians etc. He said all are Christians because they prayed to one God, Jesus Christ.

I am a spirit filled Christian and have attended their prayer meetings and conferences. Not at any time a Rosary was said nor worship was done on Mary.

Moderator - Water_Lily that is the rare exception. Some of the Charismatic Catholic Churches are like the Protestant churches, but are the exception.
---Water_Lily on 4/5/06

The last place Mary was at was in the upper room after the Ascension Acts 1:14. From this time she wholly disappears from public notice. The time and manner of her death are unknown. George; you can't back up your statement, that Mary didn't die, where she is, no one knows. How she died, no one knows.
---Rebecca_D on 4/5/06

George, what verse in the Bible says that Mary ascended into heaven and did not die. I can't find it in my Bible.
---madison on 4/5/06

Part three
Not only do those in heaven pray with us, they also pray for us. In Revelation 8:3-4, we read: "[An] angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God
---George on 4/5/06

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Part one
The Bible directs us to invoke those in heaven and ask them to pray with us. In Psalms 103:20-21, we pray, "Bless the Lord, O you his angels, you mighty ones who do his word, hearkening to the voice of his word! Bless the Lord, all his hosts, his ministers that do his will!". And in Psalms 148:1-2 we pray, "Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord from the heavens, praise him in the heights! Praise him, all his angels, praise him, all his host!".
---George on 4/5/06

The first half of the hail Mary is what the Angel of the Lord said to her when she was told that God had chosen her to be the Mother of Jesus. The second half is a request to Mary to "pray for us sinners...". Mary is not dead, she ascended into heaven along with the Apostles and any saint that followed Jesus' ascention. Prayer to a heavenly being is not sinful, calling on satan is. Even though Jesus gave us the Our Father the Apostles still prayed other prayers after that.

Moderator - Show scriptures that we should pray to the dead.
---George on 4/4/06

cont: You ask if the pope has ever committed an unChristian attitude. Teaching people to pray to Mary is the most unChristian thing a church leader can do. He is teaching lies to his people and leading them to believe falsehoods. Praying to Mary is a sin. Praying to any other saint is a sin. It is giving to mere mortals, dead ones at that, what belongs to Christ, worship. It galls me that there are statues of Mary and Joseph in the churches and people light candles and pray to them.

Moderator - And Madison is just talking about the tip of the iceburg because the list goes on.
---Madison on 4/4/06

Water Lily, Jim Bakker and Pat Robertson are sinners saved by grace, just like me. However, big difference between them and the Pope is they do not worship Mary, or any other saint. They are Jesus followers. I don't agree with them on most other things, but I agree on the blood sancitifcation of Christ being the only means of salvation. I also agree that Mary should not be prayed to, nor any other saint.
---Madison on 4/4/06

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part two, still following Christ I found out the Holy Spirit is my teacher and he speaks the rhema word bringing the faith I need and my submission to my Father the Holy Spirit changes me, by violently pressing in I am taking the Kingdom of God as Jacob took the promise from Essau, as I keep following Christ he takes me from faith to faith and Glory to glory into his infinite riches finding new exciting places in him every day. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/4/06

part one,I was raised to believe in jesus and thought I was alright most of whatI believed was wrong but I was doing the best I could with what I had. I thought I was saved I had a relationship with Jesus but I came to the knowledge I needed to be baptised and found no comfort until I obeyed.later I found out about the baptism of the Holy Ghost, the gifts, I have been following Christ. exzucuh
---Exzucuh on 4/4/06

Refrain from playing God, it gets you no where. I don't see any fruit of the spirit due to your judgemental, discriminatory spirit you have.

If you wish to condemn Pope, let me tell you, you better start looking at Jim Bakker and Robertson of 700-club. Aren't they Born-again like many of you being judgemental? Anyway, they are better than many of you because they expressed their regrets and asked for public apology. Have Pope ever committed such unChristian attitude?
---Water_Lily on 4/4/06

Waterlily and a Catholic, it would be interesting if you would give us, in your own words, your definition of what it is to be a Christian. It would be helpful to many of us here to read what others mean by the word 'Christian' because it is apparant that we do not all mean the same thing.
---M.A. on 4/4/06

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A Catholic,
Water Lilly's comment "if someone asks us to follow Christ, it comes from GOD." makes the verses I quoted very applicable. One being the example a man who declared Jesus to be the Son of God.
The other example is one of a possessed person declaring that Paul was a servant of God bringing the way of salvation. Paul rebuked her and cast out the demon making those claims.

In spite of her "Godly", message, she was not "of God".
---Bruce5656 on 4/4/06

Paul speaks of "an angel of light" bringing a "false gospel."

Some claim to operate in the authority of Jesus but they are not even chrisians.Matthew 7:22-23, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
---Bruce5656 on 4/4/06

Darlene-Before you crucify Elder for the remark about nun let me say there is more truth in it than most want to admit and it happened in the 20th Century. I heard an exnun,at church,( Please do not believe everything you heard,remember it is a exnun, probably upset about the church...)
---ruben on 4/4/06

a catholic, I echo the Moderator. If a catholic was Christian then my ears would be open to him, but since he is lost, any directions he gives is unreliable and unauthoritative. Water Lily, Because someone SAYS they are born-again, does not make it so. No real born-again Christian commits crimes, for tt is not possible for a good tree to produce bad fruit, just as men cannot gather figs from brambles.
---Eloy on 4/4/06

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Before you crucify Elder for the remark about nun let me say there is more truth in it than most want to admit and it happened in the 20th Century. I heard an exnun,at church,who escaped, telling about Priests who convinced young nuns they represented Jesus and so were their husband and they should have sex. Happened in Europe,to a particular group of nuns, could name them but won't. Those who refused were put in chains in a dungeon. Some left there to die. They killed the babies born of that evil act.
---Darlene_1 on 4/4/06

A Catholic: Bruce's verse is relevant. It shows that even demons know who Christ is, and yet they are lost and belong to Satan.
---Madison on 4/4/06

Bruce, no need to quote chapter and verse whenever something is discussed and if they are used, let's stick to the point. Your Acts 16:16-18 is totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
---A_Catholic on 4/4/06

A Catholic, I have trouble believing that a man who prays to Mary is a godly example of a follower of Christ. You can't have it both ways. Either one worships Mary or one worships Christ. If the pope prays to Mary he is not a good example of someone to tell kids to be followers of Christ.
---Madison on 4/4/06

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Madson ... I agree with you. I see grave error in the RCC.
But I suspect Elder is letting his hatred of the RCC get the better of him, and develop into hatred of people. Do you have evidence, Elder, of the allegation about the nun ... and I mean with regard to the present, or indeed the previous, Pope?
---alan8869_of_UK on 4/4/06

Please prove at least one instance that Pope John Paul II himself has denegrated any of your denomination and incited hatred like many of you here have been doing in all these past years. It is a shame that some of you are blinded with spirit of hatred, discrimination and critiscm. These are the power of darkness that possess you. You need house cleansing, if not revival. Your ill judgement is truly displeasing to God.

Moderator - False traditions and false doctrines will send people to hell. The focus needs to be the Bible not denominations or the Catholic Church.
---Water_Lily on 4/4/06

Elder, like the Moderator, you too are basing your irrational attack on what took place centuries ago.

I find your "nun" remark completely out of taste.

Moderator - Please read my comments below. I am basing my comments on False Traditions that are taught by the Catholic Church today that are leading people to Hell.
---A_Catholic on 4/4/06

Moderator, in reply to you "He's not", may I ask you how many times have you listened to sermons or speeches by the Pope? It sounds like you are basing your statement on the evil "popes" of centuries ago. Why condemn? Your condemnations are a sign of misinformation that you were either fed or that you choose to receive.

Moderator - The Pope you mention was a good man, however being a good person doesn't get one into heaven. The Catholic doctrines which Popes are the head representative is based upon the Bible and False Traditions. It's the False Traditions that concern many here.
---A_Catholic on 4/4/06

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Not everyone that declares Jesus to be the Son of God is to be followed after or necessarily listened to.

Mark 3:11-12, "And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God." Luke 4:14.
---Bruce5656 on 4/4/06

Acts 16:16-18, "And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, ... The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour."
---Bruce5656 on 4/4/06

Madison, the Pope is a respected person and the millions of youths who used to and still attend this and John Paul II youth meetings worldwide confirm acceptance of his mission, that of inviting youngsters to follow Christ.

It is rather weird that because such a good deed is coming from the Pope, some of your "Christians" have to denigrate it.

I support anyone who invites young people to follow Christ even if this someone is not a Catholic.
---A_Catholic on 4/4/06


If all the born-again Chrsitians are followers of Christ like you've announced, then why there have been criminal offences committed by some of them?

Please define your "Followers of Christ" as it sounded that they are the Perfect and/or True Followers.

Not all Christians go to heaven until the Judgement Day. So, beware of giving false witnesses to others and being judgemental.

If you begins to judge others, God will judge you too.
---Water_Lily on 4/4/06

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Alan: I guess I mispoke. My real answer should have been, what makes the pope's exhortation any more special than my pastor's or my sister in the Lord's. He is no more special than any other man or woman on earth. It is a shame that there are people who put other people on pedestals, when the people they are elevating are mere mortals, as we are.
---Madison on 4/4/06

But, Eloy, the Pope is urging youngsters to follow Christ? Is it so deeply engrained in your brain that the Pope is not teaching Christ's way?

Moderator - He's not.
---A_Catholic on 4/4/06

Madison is not rejecting what the Pope said but who said it. We know a dumb donkey spoke the truth in the OT but no one kissed him on the lips for it.
The Pope leads a life of lies and then tells us to follow Christ.
What does he mean by follow? And who is Christ to him? Doesn't he say he is in the place of Christ on this earth?
Like her I have served the Lord just fine without instruction from the Pope and I don't have a Nun for physical pleasure.
---Elder on 4/4/06

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