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What Is The Apostate Church

What is the apostate church? What does this mean?

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For r-catholocism (the first trin-church) Is the apostate church, even known as the first church of the apostates. Which is in Bible prophecy, Rev 17 v's 4-6.
---Lawrence on 9/7/09

Apostasy leads such is nigh unto cursing. Its end is to be burned. This is the sad end to which apostasy leads. And therefore Christians should go on and grow in grace, lest, if they do not go forward, they should go backward. [Hebrew 6:1-8]
---catherine on 4/17/08

No need to thank me. We sure delight in finding
common ground with our fellow man, don't we?
---Nana on 4/17/08

Deb, you are a very sweet person. However, you over identify with your abuser. You must break this habit. Evil is evil and good is good. By being the victim you are not made evil, nor is the abuser good because of your forgiveness. Do not be confused. However, God loves you very much for your gentleness I reckon.
---frances008 on 4/16/08

Nana, thanks for your agreement. That adds to my motivation to speak (out as I see) the truth.
---frances008 on 4/16/08

Frances, dear sister, thank you for your well-thought out responses. I do not believe Jesus ever turned anyone away. I do not believe Jesus ever discouraged anyone from following Him. I realize it is difficult to read some of the things I've written. Thank you for your always polite responses. God bless you.
---deb on 4/16/08

Your saying is well pleasing to my understanding.
Well said!
---Nana on 4/16/08

As I read my Bible I see again and again that Jesus cared about His People, not about everyone. He even turned some people away, or discouraged them from following him if they had other things they preferred to be doing, or if they were well off. He did not convert everyone. It is all part of the plan of God. Huge numbers of people are predisposed to reject him, so he only cares about those who were given him from the beginning. That is my considered opinion. I could be totally wrong.
---frances008 on 4/16/08

Deb, God does not want you to believe what is false, but he wants to be rid of the disobedient and rebellious people who have an arrogant attitude. The way he has decided in all His great Wisdom to do this is to allow them to fall into their own trap. Remember 'You choose not me, but I chose you.' John 15. He does not want some people. Sad, but true. They are already decided against God.
---frances008 on 4/15/08

Greg, thank you for responding.
---deb on 4/15/08

God sent His son to be our FOUNDATION (cornerstone) in order that we have eternal life, but the Christians of Hebrews chapter 6 were rejecting the cornerstone and setting a foundation of their own with works/deeds and scholarly achievement.

God warns us against this because believing that we can accomplish 'worthiness' and match the sacrifice of God's son is not only an insult, but laying a foundation of our own is the same as rejecting Jesus (making 'repentance in Jesus' impossible).
---greg on 4/15/08

We have a free will choice to embrace God's son as our foundation or to embrace a "strong delusion". The strong delusion is not FORCED on us, it was simply PROVIDED (made available) to the insincere (there certainly has been no shortage of "insincere" Christians all throughout history).

Many have simply come to The Lord out of hunger, but care not to DRINK of His spirit, Revelation 7:16). The "rivers of living water" (John 7:38) are important.
---greg on 4/15/08

Apostasy Bible Quiz # 2. "God is going to send a deluding influence so many will believe what is false.

And is that 'deluding influence' the teachings of cults as in Adventism?
---Lee on 4/14/08

"Please explain why God wants us to believe what is false.
Thank you.
---deb on 4/14/08"
Do you believe that Jesus spoke in parables?
Do you believe that John the Baptist said:
"O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from
the wrath to come?"
---Nana on 4/15/08

Apostasy Bible Quiz # 2. "God is going to send a deluding influence so many will believe what is false.
The correct answer is True."

Please explain why God wants us to believe what is false. Thank you.
---deb on 4/14/08

Church is where the Christians go, and so do others. Church is the place to go to find information about who is a genuine Christian and who is 'one of us'. Anyone who is genuine had better be careful what information they give to people they hardly know. They had better not trust people. This is MHO from experience. Don't let the Church get your details for their files. If they already have them, think about changing churches and apparently dropping off the radar screen. MHO.
---frances008 on 4/14/08

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Frances008::I agree this is how they operate with silk Gloves palms covered with Poisoned Barbs.Acquaintances make strange bed fellows .Never trust a smiling face, look at a snakes mouth when closed gives the appearance of a smile.BUT ITS BEGUILE.
---Emcee on 4/14/08

Emcee, I have no experience of Communism - I just hear things from those who care to talk to me, which are few and far between, but enough to give me a strong sense of what is happening. Tokyo is not much different, with the Police knowing all about foreigners living here. The CIA have a high profile here, but also other secret services. You meet information gatherers without even knowing it at times. They are interesting people. Very rude though.
---frances008 on 4/11/08

Frances008::I lived in a communist country for 42 yrs.I know how they operate by Guile and stealth but basically they are for the Party,and are no different than most government officials they get what they want at the expense of the poor using their ignorance as a shield to get things for them in Name.Yes I know how they operate smile up front with venom in their Hearts to gain their objective.I also have been around .
---Emcee on 4/11/08

Emcee, living in a large international city, near many communist countries here in Asia, I get to hear stories, first hand of what is going on over there in China, Vietnam, Cambodia, Burma. I hear from Christians, priests, and from detainees. The stories would make your hair stand on end and you would never enter a communist country. Or if you did you would be very careful what you did. The Communists and the CIA are in cahoots. The files are shared.
---frances008 on 4/11/08

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If people would read for THEMSELVES and quit relying on others to find God for them, THIS would'nt be Happening to people!
A Blog site is NOT for the New Child of God!
To many vain(useless) ?'s that can confuse a New Child.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/11/08

Some very good points here. Let us look to JESUS and not to people.

On the new recently a man who claims to be JESUS was telling people there is no sin. Many are following him.
---Samuel on 4/11/08

StrongAxe, I see your point. Waco was a disgusting show of strength on the part of the government against freedom. Talk about using a hammer to swat a fly. However, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the more people in the Apostate Church, the more people it will take with it to Hell.
---frances008 on 4/11/08


Denominational churches have a lot more "doctrinal inertia" than small or home churches. This can be both a good and a bad thing.

On the one hand, it they're going in the wrong direction, it's very hard to steer them right.

On the other hand, it takes a long time for heresy to creep in too - while in a small church, it's very easy for one person to suddenly steer things in heretical directions (remember Jonestown and Waco and many others).
---StrongAxe on 4/10/08

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Te apostate church is a church which has fallen from grace and has a form of godliness. The teaching is preaching is fleshly and they are doing their own thing so to speak. Jesus has since left their presence, if He was ever there, and they do not even know it.They may have many ministries, large building and many members but the Holy Spirit is not leading and Jesus is not the head. They are a dead and wretched church. Read about the churches in Rev chap2,3.
---Robyn on 4/10/08

If we have a gentle heart that seeks no harm and a mind that loves truth, then and only then, can God's eternal spirit teach us the truth of God, and we will be able to have our CONSCIENCE purified ALSO (Hebrews 9:14) and have "rivers of living water" in our heart (John 7:38) so that we will "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16), but if we choose not to have a gentle and contrite heart (the PRESENT heaven), then we have chosen our own "strong delusion" instead.
---greg on 4/10/08

The apostate church is taught by "hirelings" (John 10:13) that don't take care that you "enter by the door" (John 10:1) and don't teach that the true word of God is what you will "HEAR" when God's spirit speaks to you IF you LISTEN ("the sword of the spirit", Ephesians 6:17). They don't teach that you only read the introductory doctrine of Jesus (Hebrews 6:1, 2 Timothy 2:15, John 14:6).
---greg on 4/10/08

The apostate church teaches you to WALK BY FAITH (even though God is LOVE) instead of teaching that you should "WALK BY THE SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25). The apostate church encourages you to think using the heart, but the heart does not "think", The Lord tells us to be "transformed by the RENEWAL of the MIND" (Romans 12:2) and that we should love TRUTH (2 Thessalonians 2:10).
---greg on 4/10/08

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The apostate church is everybody of man's institutional churches who rejects the 'cornerstone' as "the whole fulness of diety" (Colossians 2:9) and rather lay a foundation of their own by performing "works"/deeds of intellectual and scholarly accomplishments (Hebrews chap. 6). This forsaking of God's spirit also prevents humbly accepting His "GIFT" and the BETTER things that "belong TO salvation" (Hebrews 6:9). God calls this "APOSTASY" (Hebrews 6:6).
---greg on 4/10/08

Gee Frances 008:: You are a cloak and dagger lady guess you have been cloistered in intrigue so much so it has seeped into your being.What you say may be true of Communist countries in the eastern Hemisphere.including 1936-1945,Facist Regime.But Not in the western church going belt.But church is Gods House all are welcome.People in need of the Lord go there.
---Emcee on 4/10/08

The apostate church is the people who put anything except JESUS as the center of their relgion. Whether days or systems or money. Anything but GOD is what the Apostates want.
---Samuel on 4/10/08

the apostate church is the church that rejects Gods Old Testament scripture and the Ten Commandments of God..including His 7th day Sabbath..amen
---pop on 4/10/08

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alan_of_UK: "sounds like having a doctrine to keep everyone believing the same details."

Alan, the Bible contains the information you need for your walk to the Kingdom of God. The rules are simple, only two of them which are based on the ten commandments. The Bible is nothing more than an eyewitness account of the relationship between God and His people - the Jews in the OT and the Christians in the NT. The Two Commandments tell you what, the rest of the Bible tells you how.
---Steveng on 3/25/08

alan_of_UK: "That sounds pretty much like having a denominational doctrine."

In a large denominational chuch, you are nothing but another face in the crowd. In a home church you have a few intimate friends who truly care about each others walk with God.

Denominational churches have rules, traditions and rituals. Home churches have non. Each member in a home church is accountable for each other. A deep desire for the others to stay on the path to God's Kingdom.
---Steveng on 3/25/08

Today's Apostate "church" at one time KNEW the LORD but got into False Doctrines and then TURNED AWAY FROM THE TRUE DOCTRINE AND FROM GOD. And SOME never knew GOD to begin with but have accepted False Doctrinal, "Easy-Salvation" Heresy and think they're "Saved" but are living in constant SIN and are Hell-bound. People are turning from the Truth because it's more about "people's personal happiness" and GOD's "Blessings" then GOD's Ways of Love and Holiness.
---Gordon on 3/25/08

Steveng, I had for three years a home study church. We had about twenty five members, where we prayed for each others needs, and supported each other. We always made sure we studied two hours to make sure we read all the context of what was happening in the passages. There was thirty five small groups like the one I had. I had to move to another town so one of the persons attending opened his home for the members. Small groups can help so much.
---Mark_V. on 3/25/08

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Steveng ..."supporting each other to make sure that no one wonders off the path to the Kingdom of God"
That sounds pretty much like having a denominational doctrine to keep everyone believing the same details.
---alan_of_UK on 3/25/08

Home churches are also a lot safer than big churches. In big churches you have a lot of non-Christians going there for various purposes. For instance, in communist countries the police send people in to make lists of who is attending. In a small church that is less likely to happen as you know the people very well and any stranger cannot just arrive unannounced.
---frances008 on 3/24/08

Starting a home church isn't anything like your denominational church. It's just a small group of Christians getting together and supporting each other to make sure that no one wonders off the path to the Kingdom of God. Each person helps and encourages each other with psalms, hymms, and the reading of the bible. A person can start one home church and then starts another much like growing your own grape vine. If you plan to start many home churches, you must plan to keep in contact with all of them.
---Steveng on 3/24/08

Mary: "...I have a lot of respect for Rick Warren, he did, after all, help start Celebrate Recovery, a ministry for addicts of all kinds."

During the first 3-1/2 years of the soon to come tribulation, Satan, too, will perform miracles and bring "peace" to the world until the time where he will have the majority of people in the world to follow him. And then wham!
---Steveng on 3/24/08

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Well, Cindy, all I can say to that is, it was an excellent series for our church when we went through it--I think twice. I have a lot of respect for Rick Warren, he did, after all, help start Celebrate Recovery, a ministry for addicts of all kinds.
---Mary on 3/24/08

Purpose driven churches are just like the book. They are made from twisted scripture.
The foundational walls are thin, with material that is full of holes.

Inside you will find self-centered, self-help philosophies.

They will tell you that Jesus died so that you can discover your purpose.

They have replaced the word Cross for purpose.
---Cindy on 3/24/08

"Well, when I get my church" ... Whose church ... yours??,
"I am going to get me a big sign. On it it will read: Only true believers ... "in what?
---alan_of_UK on 3/24/08

Well, when I get my church, I am going to get me a big sign. On it it will read: Only true believers please all the rest believes that I am a nut. And stick it out front. I am going to for sure do it.
---catherine on 3/24/08

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Home churches are the answer. Also every person being convinced that we are now in the End Times and try and get as many people into the Church , as possible. That means committing yourself to approaching one person in the street per week. (Some police state countries like Japan would soon catch you if you attempted more than this). Have a written testimony, or word of knowledge and Bible quotes so that you can offer them a start - a way to life. I think its where home churches failed so far.
---frances008 on 3/23/08

Stop going to your churches!

I have an easy solution to all your bickering - don't think of Christianity as a religion.

Religion is the cause of most problems in the world. Scriptures define "church" as Christians, period. Jesus is not returning to join (marry) a building, a denomination, or a non-profit organization.

Look into starting your own groups of Christians - home churches.
---Steveng on 3/23/08

Shira. Wherever there are 2 or more gathered in His name, there He is in the midst of them. God does not make an exit out of the church just because of soft sermons and wrong music. He may not agree with some things but His promise is to always be with us to the end.
---john on 3/23/08

The apostate church is when God has made an exit. The church has brought the world and the worldly music and soft sermons. The "minister" doesn't want to offend anyone. They don't preach on sin and the blood. A baptist church in Houston didn't want a singer I know to sing there anymore because he sang songs about the blood. That is apostate.
---shira on 7/26/07

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Apo= off + stasy= a standing, thus, a standing off. It is deserting the Lord and the true way and substituting this for falsehood and heresy. The church is already greatly doing this. For the definition of apostasy in scripture, please read Isaiah 5:20; Jeremiah 2:13,19-25; II Thessalonians 2:3; II Timothy 3:5; II Peter 2:1-3,14-22; Revelation 2:4,5.
---Eloy on 9/20/06

Apostasy has nothing to do with a church being "dead" or "on fire". Some of the most "on fire" churches are deeply flawed Biblically. Some churches avoid exaggerated self-display and showy programs. Outsiders may judge them to be "dead", but the church sees mighty works of God. To distinguish the "true" church from the "apostate", judge them by the Word of God. If your church doesn't teach you how to do this, you may be in an apostate church.
---Donna2277 on 9/19/06

In order to explain Apostate church one must know what APOSTATE really means ie those who have strayed from Jesus Christ's Church which is "My church under Peter" those are called Apostates from HIS Church: the rest I am sorry to say are sects & man made,using the name of Jesus,& has no cornerstone.So all this jockeying for position as seen here is in Vain& delusionary The arch deciever smoke & mirror artist.
---Emcee on 9/19/06

Everyon is preoccupied attemping to learn who or what is apostate, failing to realize that the militant Islamic church is rapidly menifesting all the characteristics. "She ride on the back of the beast. Drunk with the blood of the saints, "Radical Muslums celebrate each time a Jew or Christian is killed or mudered.
---Elisha on 9/19/06

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For those of you who are not of the apostate church, please pray for Mike Moss of Normangee,Texas,he has tumors in his lungs,I am blieving for his healing. I believe the report of the Lord.By his stripes we were healed.
---Exzucuh on 4/27/06

Each church claims the other church is apostate. Catholics call protestants apostate, protestants call other protestants apostate, on it goes. In Europe they had wars over these things, killing heretics-apostates en masse. In America we have pluralism-freedom of religion, a veritable Market place of religion, and sadly that market place sells, with a lot of buyers, secularism, in bright colerful packages, but on the inside they are empty.
---MikeM on 4/27/06

I have witnessed churches that some said were dead but there were those who were recieving what they needed from God because they were not being critical they were seeking God and had no Idea what a dead church was. Faith without works is dead. obedience to Gods word brings life,it is the works of righteousness
---Exzucuh on 4/27/06

Donna, I do understand what you are saying and I have seen services pumped up to make a person feel good. That is exactly why God has written icabod on lot of church doors. There is still a dead feeling in a dead church. You can also feel the Holy Spirit in an "on fire" church.
---shira on 4/27/06

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John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
---Exzucuh on 4/25/06

God does not live in the church bld. he lives in the temple of the Holy Ghost which is your body, it does not matter what church I go to the Holy Spirit is there because I am there, when I leave he leaves with me he does not stay,I take him with me and he leads me and guides me and I am never alone.
---Exzucuh on 4/25/06

John, I have been to lots of churches where God is no where to be found. That means He departed if He was ever there at all.
---shira on 4/25/06

The test for an apostate church is: does it deviate from the major truths of the Bible.Those that judge by "feelings" are in great danger from deceptions designed to make people feel good!, whether it emphasizes the goodness of mankind or a way to get what we want from God. (The Bible teaches that men are sinful and that it is more blessed to give than to receive). It won't do to depend on a teacher or preacher to tell what the Bible says. Study it yourself! Hide it in your heart!
---Donna2277 on 4/25/06

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John--I agree. The presence of the Holy Spirit cannot be judged by what we "feel". Some preachers preach Humanism, which is fruitless. But some teach the true Gospel and Biblical truth in an understated way. Some Christians like to sit quietly and listen. We have NO right to judge how the HS ministers to others. There is Power in the Word and Scripture says that God's word will not return unto Him void.
---Donna2277 on 4/24/06

Shira. I can relate. I been to church's that you dont feel God. I been to church's that people literally look and act dead!. They are most church's that you dont feel the Holy Spirit. Its strange because at some church's you feel God the moment you enter the church.
---Ramon on 4/24/06

2. Those who fall away into apostasy demonstrate that their faith was never real to begin with (1 John 2:19).
---Lupe2618 on 4/24/06

The word apostasy comes from the Greek "Apostasia", which is translated :falling away" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Apostates are those who fall away from the true faith, abandoning what they formerly professed to believe. The term describes those whos beliefs are so deficient as to place them outside the pale of true Christianity. For example, a liberal denomination that denies the authority of Scripture or the deity of Christ is an apostate denomination. True Christians do not apostatize.
---Lupe2618 on 4/24/06

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Shira. Maybe what you're trying to say is that the Spirit was quenched. I can identify with that but not that He would leave. The Bible still says that were 2 or 3 are gatherd in His name, there He is in their midst. Soft sermon or not, He is there as long as it's in His name. He may not get to do much but I can't see that He would actually leave.
---john on 4/24/06

John, I beg your pardon. I have been in churches where God is nowhere to be felt and where soft sermons are preached with feathers. Well, not really preached, but the "preacher" talks and says nothing.I have also been in churches where the spirit of God is felt when you walk thru the door.
---shira on 4/24/06

apostasy :

n 1: the state of having rejected your religious beliefs or your political party or a cause (often in favor of opposing beliefs or causes)
---Rickey on 4/23/06

I agree with the below post.Many churches want to win the world,but the thing is instead of the church conforming to the world , we need to change for the better to draw closer to God & any church not wanting to adapt to Gods standered to me are apostate.
---Candice on 4/23/06

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