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Abused By Pentecostal Church

I have recently came out from the Pentecostal Church. I have been abused, gossiped about, slandered, and so badly hurt. I am now attending a traditional Church and have found love, warmth and shelter. Anyone else have this happen?

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sin has many guises. There are holy Pentecostal Churches: and there are also traditional churches which will gladly welcome new people into their impotent fold.
---Eloy on 9/21/08

Abuse can occur in any church. The Catholic church heads the list and has been abusing,viciously, for years. Gossip,lying cheating no church is exempt from this. You need to know and understand this my friend, because it will happen again. Perhaps in your traditional church. Don't be surprised.Remember this: wherever there are people there are going to be problems and troubles. Churches/Christians are not exempt.I had to learn this myself.The hard way. Took many,many years. Everyone that attends church is not saved,either.The devil goes to church 7 days a week.
---Robyn on 9/20/08

I attended a Pentecostal church for many years. And yes, there is the potential for unhealthy things to happen in these types of churches. I still believe in the power of Pentecoste, but am now attending a healthy, non-denominational church.
---Kay on 8/18/08

All of God's people are called to protect God's reputation.
---catherine on 5/7/08

Hello Mike, you haven't changed a bit.
---Molly on 5/6/08

I am so sad when anyone suffers abuse in the local congregation. I doubt that any denomination is immune to that. I pray for healing for all.
---SueQ7373 on 5/6/08

If I go to a church, I am to love all the people there the way Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount says to love. So, it doesn't matter if others love me back > I am there to love them, no matter what. And if I do this in God's love, I have God's strength and safety so wrong people can't hurt me > "And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13) So, I trust God to have me in real love which makes me safe from getting hurt while with church people.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/6/08

We can't get hurt while we are living in the warmth and shelter of God's love. But if we are trying to use people for what we want, our selfishness makes us foolish enough to trust the wrong people and makes us weak enough so we WILL get hurt. Also, many in the United States have gotten with the wrong people in marriage, because of their selfish intentions. I need to see how my *own* ways got me into a hurtful situation, so those ways don't just get me into more trouble.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/6/08

My friend was cast out of her pentecostal church for being spirit-filled. Another church was notorious for bringing down people, and publicizing their 'sinfulness' without actually telling the particular crimes. On the other hand, members of the inner circle were all protected although everyone knew they were sinning. It is just typical of corruption that is rife in churches these days.
---frances008 on 5/6/08

Pentacostalism preaching is also a linguistic style that can be learned and used, and is used to move masses of people thru a variety of emotions. This keeps them off balance in momentary rational thinking, much like hypnosis. It has been used effectively from the serpent handlers to some of the world's worst dictators.
---dan on 5/6/08

MikeM lives in So. California, but he travels all over with his students on digs. I would imagine he has a pretty full plate, with a wife and children to care for when he is home. Perhaps he needs a break as well.
---NVBarbara on 5/6/08

Yes It is a pity that MikeM no longer blogs.

But wyou seem to accuse him of opting out .

But maybe he "took the road" (high or low) and had an accident. Maybe he has had a stroke or heart attack or some other illness. Or his child is so ill he has not time to blog.

We have no way of knowing
---alan_of_UK on 5/6/08

"MikeM is also teasing frequently to get reactions, but at the same time I believe he is watching the Christians here to see if they will take the high road."

It looks like MikeM took the low road one too many times as he has disappeared.
---Molly on 5/5/08

I am grieved that u were treated so horribly by those who were supposed to be ur spiritual supporters. I am Pentecostal, and attend a Pentecostal church. But I will not even attempt to defend those who sinned against u...they have no excuse. I am concerned about ur well-being, so please don't be offended with my next statement: my major concern is that ur attending a church where u r being spiritually fed. So please let me know if the church ur attending is a place where u feast on the "meat".
---Kayla on 1/15/08


Errors can be found at both ends of the spectrum.
In the end, we will not be judged by how theologically strict (or flexible) we are, but how well we demonstrate God's love. Clearly many people in many churches are so obsessed with being "correct" and/or "inclusive" that they lose track of this.
---StrongAxe on 1/14/08

,,All I am getting from God on this is, "put no confidence in the flesh". Also, church should not be a social club. You should be there to learn and to grow. And For goodness sakes, if you are looking for friendship make sure that they are from God or you stand to get hurt again.
---catherine on 1/11/08

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Jesus Christ is not abusive, He was patient with all except the religious hypocrits.
Do not look at man for your healing or redemption, pray to be a blessing and for honest fellowship. Refuse to be party to gossip and it will stay far from you. Gossips do not like having their own sin exposed so if you announce gossip when you hear it, they will stay away from you.
The gossips will not associate with you and you may be able to draw a more sincere group of friends.
Guard your heart
---Andrea on 1/11/08

Why didn't you go to the pastor shake his hand tell him your name and the see what Preacher have a lot on there mind My pastor is not that frendly but if need something i go to him.He will have to give an account to the Lord on judge ment day. one thing how he took care of Gods people so just make your self friendly
---Betty on 1/11/08

Why didn't you go to the pastor shake his hand tell him your name and the see what Preacher have a lot on there mind My pastor is not that frendly but if need something i go to him.He will have to give an account to the Lord on judge ment day. one thing how he took care of Gods people so just make your self friendly
---Betty on 1/11/08

It is certainly saddening to hear that you were abused...etc.. whilst attending the Pentecostal Church. I can understand how you feel as I have been hurt. I must say I have hurt others too. Just remember, such things exist everywhere, Church irregardless, so be prepared. Unless you choose to stay alone all by yourself, not a single soul can ever get close to you. Thereby, no one can hurt you. Btw, if you have found the 'perfect Church', let me know, cause I would like to be a part of 'it' too
---Johnny on 1/11/08

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'No perfect church?' Doesn't it always point to sin? when someone tells you that 'you failed' doesn't that mean you have to do it right or be perfect? you ask or discuss REALISTIC topics & they would say either sin or give you some verse that doesn't even apply to your needs.
---mikehow on 1/10/08

This can happen anywhere. Learn from it and move on. Consider it a blessing that you are now in a church where you can grow spiritually.
---rraea8898 on 1/10/08

Actually, its just a coincedence regarding the style of the churches involved. It could have been the other way around and do not think that it could not happen again. No church is perfect and anything can happen. It is sad to say and I am so sorry about your pain. Christians should love:)
---jody on 1/10/08

my family went thru some abuse from a church of christ church when i was younger, im in a pentecostal church now and i have never seen love on the level present in this church. im only 30 but its the most wonderful place ive attended in my life.
---Kraus on 1/10/08

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Not all upc churches are like that, I'm not a christian & don't go to any church. I'm sorry that happend to you & glad that you've found a loving & kind church. Blessings to you & yours.
---Sophia on 1/10/08

Traditional Church? Mabe that's the problem!
No perfect church until The Lamb (of God) [Bridegroom] 'comsumates' His union with His Bride/Church in Heaven [Rev.19:1(7-9)].

Proving once again what man made labels can do to one if one does'nt follow the written Word of Echad/God.

---bob_[Elishama]_6749 on 8/21/07

Sure, happenned to me plural, because of me, moreso because of tares within bible based denominations! Respector of persons, pride, 'unusual' doctrinal changes, etc.

Guess what? I'm still in Christ, despite myself & others [Jer.20:7-13]. I'm sooo glad for Echad/God's Grace, Mercy, Holy Spirit, Written & Spoken Word(s) through Messiah, Jesus Christ The Righteous!

Keep your eyes on Christ, 'following leaders AS/IF they follow Christ' who has the keyes to death, hell, grave, & LIFE!
---bob_[Elishama]_5749 on 8/21/07

Abuse can happen in any denomination but UP is a Oneness church so they're a little out there to begin with. They don't believe in the trinity.
---Andrea on 8/21/07

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That's horrible! I'm so sorry you had to go through that.

It is a terrible thing when those who are allegedy custodians of God's message drive people away from it:

Romans 2:23-24 (emphasis mine):
"23 You who brag about the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law?"
"24 As it is written: "God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of **YOU**!"
---Mark on 8/21/07

What is a traditional church? Where does all of these labels come from? We can be hurt or wounded in any type church. Wounds do not come from a certain type church. Wounds come from ignorant and ungodly people. Self rightouesness, pride and conceit falls in the same category. Along with many other ungodly, unloving characteristics we find in the church.
---Robyn on 8/20/07

I thought I was the INVISIBLE Man while attending a small United Pentecostal 'church' in West Memphis. The Pastor NOT ONCE EVER as much as Spoke to me or offered to shake my hand, even after two months of active participation and GIVING, and NOT ONE TIME was I invited to attend Sunday School or ANY OTHER 'church' function. All I heard was 'GIMME, GIMME, GIMME'. Do a Google Advance Search on 'Dear Pastor McCool', to read my letter to the Pastor.
---JoeMcDaniel on 8/20/07

Lets see Jesus was beaten by the church,had his clothes torn off, called a liar, spit on, beard pulled out and nailed to a Cross, and he overcame and still loved them.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
---exzucuh on 8/19/07

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hi, i have gone the other way, i use to attend the traditional churches, but i have suffered much abuse from the people, so i have gone to the pentacostal church, and i find it nothing but a warm, friendly and loving atmosphere... i am very happy with the place i am attending now...
---Cheza on 8/19/07

many christians have fallen prey to abuse in the church. mine came from a pastor and wife . it has taken years and lots of prayer to get back. they practiced mind control. These sharks were very talented musically and knowledgeable of the word. After whipping you mentally, emotionally and financinally, the verbal and mental abuse started. Another member reported that the preacher tried to get him fired from his job because he left the church. Prayer and time will heal.
Peace Be unto You.
---DEE on 6/20/06

This is not a Pentecostal/Baptist/Methodist or Catholic thing. This is a human condition thing. You will find true believers and false in each and every denomination. When Christ returns, there will be a remnant of each called to meet Him in the air. Not one has ALL the answers. Look for a church based more on the truth given in love than on demonimation. You'll find warmth and love, acceptance and accountability there.
---Criss on 5/8/06

The book I read was 'Toxic Faith,' years ago. I try to be careful not to broad brush.

I like to read, more sinclair Lewis than CS Lewis.
---MikeM on 5/7/06

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BOTH books by Ron Enroth, Churches that Abuse & Recovering from Chruches that Abuse are listed on Amazon for $3.55 and $4.24 respectively. I recommend you read them.

Also in case you are leery, read the review on the Cultic Studies Journal website. It is a PROFESSIONAL website, and not out to push one way or the other
---John_T on 5/7/06

"Submission is to recognize and honor the position he is in and allow Father to deal with the leadership problems." I ask then several things, How is 'honor implied in his leadership? By what apostolic authority is he preaching? If that cannot be answered, then I move on, very quickly; and I did.
---mikeM on 5/7/06

John T; I have written scathing comments on New Age, been critical of Catholic theology etc. No comments about my personal past on those posts; perhaps due to pentacostalism is closer to the theology espressed here? Its a classic fallasy, AD HOMINUM. Goodness is found, or absent in all religions. As to pentacostalism, I see nothing in it that cannot be explained by sociology, psyhcology, or chemistry.
---MikeM on 5/6/06

Submission is to recognize and honor the position he is in and allow Father to deal with the leadership problems. When it is another aspect of leadership, then the Pastor himself needs to deal with it. When they refuse to be dealt with by either the Holy Ghost or the leadership, then I think it is time to move on.
---Linda6563 on 5/6/06

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This has been the problem of the church for over 2,000 years and the very reason we have denominations. Preach Christ and Him crucified. If you can't preach Him, just lead by example. It is especially important to simply pray when the person who is leading the flock astray is the Pastor. Just pray while in quiet submission to leadership. Submission is not referring to believing what the Pastor believes.
---Linda6563 on 5/6/06

"....the messenger was blamed as being "disruptive" and "not being submissive to church leadership."

In other words, don't bring your brain to church with you nor bring what the Holy Ghost has revealed to you of Christ personally. Just accept the words of the mouth of the pulpit minister and don't pay any attention to the warning flags of the Holy Ghost. I have heard this before.
---Linda6563 on 5/6/06

At the church I left, I was bitterly angry that blatant heresy was ignored, and Mormon beliefs were taught as being authorative. (The speaker was EXTREMELY ignorant of those things.) So when I openly challenged the teacher on some of the most egregious errors, the essenger was blamed as being "disruptive" and "not being subissive to church leadership"

You may want to read a book called Churches that Abuse. I forget the author, but it will help you.

---John_T on 5/6/06

Lousy religious experiences ake lousy religious prejudices.

Perhaps you are "transitioning". If that is the case, then good, enjoy the ride, and do not become bitter, become better.
---John_T on 5/6/06

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You mention journals, you do not any cite peer-reviewed academic articles in them. Ain't the same.

In law, the phrase, "Lousy case law makes lousy law" is appropos here; it gets to the point of your adversion to pentecostalism. I could have the same reaction to liberalism for any of your exact same reasons.

The main object is to HEAL and to then MOVE ON, not looking back. In one recent church experience, I needed to leave because experience, not Scripture was paramount.
---John_T on 5/6/06

'God moving on me,' a feeling of empowerment,'indescribable" good feelings, a sense of feeling 'not there, being 'carried away.' All part of a bio-chemical experience trancending theology. There is a whols science called neurotheology. I can quote many published scientific works on the matter. Some are published in the journal Zygon, the Journal of Religion and Science, and the 'American Behavioral Scientist.' Nothing new here.
---MikeM on 5/6/06

Mike: "i can quote a million sources..." However, none of them are scientifically valid.

"I am not a biological reductionist..." yet YOU BEGAN this sub plot by trying to reduce pentecostal experiences to an addict being stoned (morphine peptide receptors) using poor scholarship.

Yes, there are some "charismaniacs" out there, I dealt with some. Those, and your past experiences neither disprove, not prove the charismatic experience.

Any church can abuse
---John_T on 5/6/06

Scripture say the wisdom of man is but foolishness, this theme is often repeated. Science should NEVER be abused to promote anything. but it, like religion has been greatly abused by individuals and societies. Real science is agnostic, not atheistic, the basis of western science, natural law, is (WAS) Judeo-Christian. I am not a biological reductionist, trying to say religious experience is all explained by psychology and biology. That's the last word in arrogence, a true and sure path to foolishness.
---MikeM on 5/6/06

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Alan and John T. I am not sure of what you wish to deny. You cannot divorce the 'pentacostal experience' from what can be measured, and what is so very well known by science. i can quote a million sources, but if objective reality is traded in for feelings, and does not matter, then there is no use for grey matter. I am not trying to prove a negative, show the positive.
---mikeM on 5/6/06

Moderator, Bingo!"MikeM is also teasing frequently to get reactions, but at the same time I believe he is watching the Christians here to see if they will take the high road." Those who have truth should never fear debate. Macro; Communism was a great evil lie. Was debate allowed in communist society? Ask students from China, 1989. Debate is never allowed in dictaterships, secular, or otherwise. truth has no fear of being studied,or debated, lies do.
---MikeM on 5/6/06

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.1 Corinthians 1:27-28 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
---Exzucuh on 5/4/06

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.1 Corinthians 1:27-28 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
---Exzucuh on 5/4/06

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John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
---Exzucuh on 5/4/06

Mike: A monthly U of C Riverside mag is HARDLY a peer-reviewed scholarly journal.

Its an OPINION. If you have done any research, you know that all sources arent equal.

Peer-reviewed means that RIGID academic criteria have been met, and that the editors reviewed the work for authenticity.

This does not meet that criteria, and is over 13 years old. The ONE journal you cite is 30yo. You cite no page or Chapter for Foye's. Your sources stink. Hope your papers are better than this!
---John_T on 5/4/06

MikeM why are you here this is not the science blog. Moderator. is this ongoing insulting of the Christian religion what Christian Blog is all about?

Moderator - It gives people the opportunity to sharpen their Bible skills. MikeM is also teasing frequently to get reactions, but at the same time I believe he is watching the Christians here to see if they will take the high road.
---Molly on 5/4/06

(continued) Unfortunately, the term means stuck up, hypocrytical, judgemental, and more interested in outward appearance than in inward change to a LOT of other people. I'm sorry you were hurt. But don't think that happens just in certain churches.
---T.S. on 5/4/06

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Jan. If these "Penecostals" did bad things, they did so because they are evil minded and being led by the sinful nature, NOT by the Spirit. It has nothing to do with the title people wear. There are bad apples in every basket. Unfortunately there seem to be a few more in the Pentecostal basket! Which is sad for me to say, seeing that I was born, raised, and am still "Pentecostal"- if that means I'm born again, spirit filled, and believe in living holy.......
---T.S. on 5/4/06

Mike, if we follow your scientific mumbo-jumbo, it follows that the comfort and satisfaction an atheist feels in knowing he can do without God also comes as a result of Endorphins, endogenous opioid biochemical compounds.
Your science proves nothing.
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/4/06

I present the facts, if they can be refuted, I will listen. I am open minded and believe open debate sometimes flushes out falsehoods, rendering the path towards truth somewhat more clear. I try to stick with the issue. facts/truth are sometimes comforting, sometimes are not. Jesus made many very uncomfortable, like the religious leaders of His time. James said If you lack wisdom, ask God. I respect freedom or religon. I have Baptist, Methodist, Mormons and a few pentacostals in my family.
---MikeM on 5/4/06

John t; It is basic physical anthropology 101. Neuro-pathology is a sub study in itself. These experiences are transcultural, they are completly physiological in origen, as any first year anthropology, or med student knows. I have given all credible sources. My only claim is that pentacostalism is apostate. I can take someone to the end of the pier at the beach, but if they then still deny the existence of the ocean it is not my concern.

Moderator - Then you believe the New Testament is apostate. What you have experienced as we dialogued before is that you came from an apostate pentacostal family background which has colored your thinking. You have experienced apostate teaching living in front of your eyes and it appears have never encountered a Biblical pentacostal church. To deepen your relationship with God you MUST FORGIVE your family of past and present wrongs toward you. It's for your own good.
---MikeM on 5/4/06

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Morphine peptides in mammalian brain:Religious experience, interactions with the opiate receptor. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA), 73: 2515, 1976.
Foye's Principles of Medicinal Chemistry (5 ed.). Philadelphia: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins.
Endorphins and Development of the Western religious tradition; Dr. S. Stalcup PHD. UC Riverside monthly, 1993
---MikeM on 5/4/06

If what you say is truth, Mike, then true peace and joy in the Holy Ghost are merely the result of endorphins instead of the Holy Ghost. I will take what God says on a subject before I take what any medical doctor, scientist, or theologian says simply because the world is the world is the world....and the world does not receive Him but hates Him.
---Linda6563 on 5/4/06

Your OPINION is noted, "Religious extacy pentacostals and other feel are a direct result of peptide endorphines"

Your lack of reliable medical sources backing this preposterous claim is also noted.
---John_T on 5/4/06

2. JohnT; I have more references if requested. Margolis, Simeon. The Johns Hopkins Medical Handbook. New York, NY: Redley, 1995. 140-141.
Simantov, R. & Snyder, H. (1976). Morphine-like peptides in mammalian brain: Isolation, structure elucidation, and interactions with the opiate receptor. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (USA), 73: 2515, 1976.
---MikeM on 5/4/06

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And Bruce, I have to thank you for so wonderfully expounding the Scriptures concerning the foundational doctrine of baptisms (plural). When He comes to inspect the foundation, it better be built on the chief cornerstone otherwise He will not permit the going on to perfection (maturity).
---Linda6563 on 5/4/06

1.Endorphins; endogenous opioid biochemical compounds, peptides produced by the pituitary gland and the hypothalamus. They resemble opiates in their abilities to create feelings of 'well-being." They are responsible for whats called "fight or flight" and "runners high." Religious extacy pentacostals and other feel are a direct result of peptide endorphines.
---MikeM on 5/4/06

"it is bio-chemical, it can be measured..."

From where do you get your medical information, Lancet, AMA Journal or some sort of funny paper?

Please cite a peer-reviewed journal that states that.
---John_T on 5/4/06

MikeM ... I often have some sympathy with what you say, but in this case, I just wonder what on earth you are babbling about?
---alan8869_of_UK on 5/4/06

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That is a great way to put it.
---Bruce5656 on 5/4/06

it is bio-chemical, it can be measured, even induced, this is old news. endorphines. It also has a Fruedian element. It is simplistic to say all other cultures that experience this are 'of the devil.' All people in all other cultures also have endorphines, only the rhetorical expression of the experience of glosserlia is different.
---MikeM on 5/4/06

I agree with John_T. Although I have experienced my own personal Pentecost, I have had in the past some very bad experiences with Pentecostal churches. That is why I was so against them for so long. At least until Father just simply revealed Himself to me. At that time, I realized that you can't judge the whole grape vat by a few bad grapes. I have been ashamed of some Pentecostal behavior in the flesh but never been ashamed of Pentecost.
---Linda6563 on 5/3/06

It never ceases to amaze me whenever I come to this site on my computer. Thats pretty harsh saying that some churches accept whatever comes down the street like a sewer.I mean, come on!
---sue on 5/3/06

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Some "affirming" or "uniting" churches are like open sewers. Whatever comes down the street they accept.

Some "pentecostal leaning" churches are so experience-oriented they accept only what makes them feel good. I had a very negative experience with that sort of a church, and left after I talked to the Pastor and Elders about their unscriptural errors.

You need to find a good Bible-believing church, open to both truth, and the gifts of Holy Spirit.
---John_T on 5/3/06

I really have appreciated all of your comments...I am now in a Uniting Church and . am now singing in aged peoples bring love and warmth..You see, I stood for Righteousness and was backstabbed for doing was in a Ministry filled with adultery, drugs, booze and other sin..... They would not listen so God closed it down....It was so good though to be on the winning side....I love you all....."You will know my deciples by the LOVE they have for one another"....
---Jan on 5/1/06

Becare full of saying things about what you don't understand such things as people babble or gibbish It not what goes in the mouth that we sin it's what comes out of the mounth
---Betty on 5/1/06

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