Are Tatoos For Ladies
I need some feedback regarding the subject of tatoos, for anyone but especially for ladies. I associate them with dysfunctional and "rough" lifestyles, and fail to understand why people do this with their bodies. Are tattoos a sign of something deeper in a person`s soul?
Moderator - It is a sign of a pagan generation. Would Jesus wear a tatoo?
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The tatoo law and the other laws such as shaving your beard and circumcision etc. have all been abolished and done away with in Christ. We no longer have the right to instruct people that God says not to have tatoos and that we are to be circumcized on the eighth day or that we are not allowed to shave.
---john on 9/9/08|
Keep to the word of God, the Bible. There is only one reference of tattoo's in scripture. Leviticus 19:28, "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord". What does it say? What is the interpretation? What is the application? 1. you can read. 2. interpretation goes two ways. The first being "make no cuttings or tattoo's in rememberance of the dead", and the second is absolutely no tattoo's. Does this mean if I have tattoo's Im going to Hell? NO! does this mean to tattoo my face with skulls and crossbones? NO! so then, can I have tattoo's? yes but there are limitations.
---steve on 9/8/08|
--Kathr4453: **** Peter's dream...it wasn't about FOOD, but about GENTILES and salvation. Let's keep scripture in the context it was meant. ******
If it was FOOD, that would've meant God was breaking/amending His Word in the messianic law of DEFILING ones body, like with a tattoo?
If thinking this way keeps your values in context, then let's look at everything in the CONTEXT you believe it is meant.
You're saying it's not kosher with the Lord to rise & kill & eat our food as the majority of, salvation in Christ, Christians all across the world are doing?
Or are you saying this way of eating is for GENTILES not Jews? And if so, Aren't we all who are in Christ considered the seed of Abraham & a Jew?
---Shawn.M.T on 9/5/08|
Sure that Peter's dream was about the Gentiles and salvation, which people do not eat food at all (yeah right). Surely that Peter did not get the "whole context" of God's vision to him, at least not perhaps until after Paul had a thing against him in Galatians 2:11,12 which thing was about food and the sharing of such with the Gentiles!
---Nana on 9/5/08|
****The voice of the Lord spoke to Peter saying rise & kill & eat. This would never be thought of by a Jew under the messianic law and was considered lustful & of this world, but if the Lord tell us to do something, we are to do it.****
And Where did the Lord say, "Peter...go get a tattoo?"
When you take this scripture in Acts , Peter's dream...it wasn't about FOOD, but about GENTILES and salvation.
Let's keep scripture in the context it was meant.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/08|
I do not think tattoos are going to send you to hell. They are just ugly. To each his own.
---melanie on 9/1/08|
""Leviticus 19:28 Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord. ""
Dayce, do you observe the other prohibitions of the Torah, including that of eating pork, shellfish, and mixing meat and dairy?
Or do you pick and choose which of these commandments you observe?
---katavasia on 8/30/08|
No tattoos are bit for anyone. No matter if your man or woman.
Leviticus 19:28 Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.
Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Your are to treat it as such. Would you damage the Lords house? That's what your body is to the Holy Spirit...it's house.
This includes being a gluten and making yourself over weight, smoking, drinking, drugs or participating in acts that involves the mistreatment of your body.
1 Cor. 3:16-17 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him, for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
---dayce on 8/30/08|
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--Kenny: ** difficulty understanding you. ** ** you have this uncanny knack of misunderstanding scripture. **
I'm sorry that you find my natural way of speaking difficult to understand, but I'm sure that my grammar & spelling are fine.
I don't know all these biblical movie productions that you have mentioned, maybe because I'm not a big movie buff. But I do know you will never get an accurate understanding of the scriptures from them.
If you're basing your knowledge of God's Word on these movie, then that why you're unable to understand me or the scriptures.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/29/08|
--Kathr4453: I completely agree. The Holy Spirit will neither lead us to what is lust nor lust Himself for anything of this world.
Where He guides us we should not call LUST & of this world. And this is why I brought up St. Peter:
The voice of the Lord spoke to Peter saying rise & kill & eat. This would never be thought of by a Jew under the messianic law and was considered lustful & of this world, but if the Lord tell us to do something, we are to do it.
Would you want to be the one to tell Peter to disobey the voice of the Lord just because it's against the law you're under?
We shouldn't condemn nor advocate what someone else has heard from the Lord, until WE have heard it from the Holy Spirit.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/28/08|
It doesn't seem that you're here to edifying anyone, seeing how you have as yet to produce a single shred of evidence to back up your earlier invective statements toward me and yet, you continue to fabricate more.
By not bringing to light, my so called errors, you appear on this site as nothing but an INSTIGATOR. It's clear that you're someone who is only looking to deliberately make misleading judgments about anyone that does not see things your way.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/28/08|
****By listening only to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to guides us in God's Will for us in the earth, we out of love of God will not have the desire to do anything that God will find displeasing!****
Absolutely, and Tatooing, along with witchcraft astrology, using mediums etc are displeasing to God no matter what dispensation one may find themselves in.
The Holy Spirit in us does not LUST for anything of this world, or lead us to friendship with the world ...as those who belong to Him are not of this world.
---kathr4453 on 8/27/08|
I'll try and give you the benefit of the doubt. Your problems stem from one of two things. (1) Your trying desperately to sound like a narrator, like others in this blog, of a tremendous biblical production of movies such as Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, or The King of Kings, which is causing me to have difficulty understanding you. (2) Or, you have this uncanny knack of misunderstanding scripture. Pick one.
---Kenny on 8/27/08|
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:24) so we may be edifying toward one another.
Every allegation you have made toward me was erroneous. You could not even produce one cut & paste of my alleged ignorant accusations. It appears all in all, that you have fabricated all of these misleading judgments about me and yet, I have forgiven you.
But we all would like to know whom is misleading others on this sites.
So I implore you Kenny, to bring to light any single scrap of evidence that I have written (in context) you can find to back your current accusations of my alleged ignorance and please also cut & paste date & the site you supposedly found them on.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/26/08|
--Kathr4453: ** Worldliness is NOT COVERED by Grace. **
Kathr4453 I neither advocate nor condemn the getting or having of tattoos.
My point has always been this: We are to live by the guidance of the Holy Spirit and nothing else. By listening only to the Holy Spirit and allow Him to guides us in God's Will for us in the earth, we out of love of God will not have the desire to do anything that God will find displeasing!
I can not imagine God ever telling me or anyone else to rise & get a tattoo but at the same time neither did Peter ever imagine that the Lord would tell him to rise & kill & eat. So we should never be caught saying that God's grace is not sufficient.
God Bless You
---Shawn.M.T on 8/26/08|
Kenny, I have to agree with you here. There are so many things written in scripture that God has revealed His mind to us as to what pleases and displeases Him. Just because God happened to mention many of these things unde the Law....it was because Israel was a Chosen people, separated unto God.
To LOVE God is to know His mind in these areas....Law or not...if we know it displeases Him, then out of LOVE we just don't do it. We under Grace are motivated by LOVE...this EXACT love.
John 17...that they may KNOW thee, the only TRUE GOD. KNOWING God is most intimate and personal.
To accuse someone of being under LAW because they state something displeases God is truly ignorant.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/08|
Leviticus19:28 You shall not tattoo any markings upon you.
---shalla on 8/26/08|
pretty simplistic answer
i fail to see why anoyone would be so worried about others instead of looking in the mirror
GOD is LOVE
---robyn on 8/26/08|
While I don't have any tatoos, I think it is too quick to judge people based on whether or not they have tatoos. You have to get to know the person and get involved in their life. Jesus would. Maybe they do need help, and maybe they got tatoos before they became a Christian. If our intent is to edify each other and bring people to a greater understanding of Godly living which will result in a closer relationship with Christ, then we must not judge, but love. Only after we love, can we step inside the barriers and discuss things like tatoos.
---Anthony on 8/25/08|
You show your ingnorance of knowing scripture. The Old Testament, or the "law" as you prefer to call it, informs us of what sin is. Sin did not come from the law as you state. Jesus himself mentions the law in his teachings. If it was to be ignored, why would he teach it? By ignoring the Old Testament, or believing it is insignificant only compounds your ignorance. The Pharisees and Saducees were religious leaders who convinced Rome to sentence Jesus to death. The marks that Paul is referring to were of Jesus' flogging. You offer Rom.7:7 in your argument but misunderstand it completely. Your ignorance will only lead others to ignorance.
---Kenny on 8/25/08|
Shawn, your un-Christlike comment is this. When you can't persuade through scripture and take the lower road of attacking with a comment.....RE:( I bet you want one) then you have lost your argument. We're not talking about ME. So please stop making this a personal argument with personal insults. It's shows immaturity Spiritually!
Spiritual Christians KNOW Tattoo's are of the world...worldly. Worldliness is NOT COVERED by Grace.
You want to teach RELIGION and turn Grace into a religious exercise. However GRACE is dying to self....like it or not.
Those who SUFFER with Him will also be Glorified together with Him. Now...if your Grace has evaded the fellowship of His sufferings.....that tells me all I want to hear!
---kathr4453 on 8/25/08|
It came down to this for me... "God loves me and he loves my ink because he loves every little part of me." Those are the words of Pastor Marty Dunkerly at The Fathers House in Dawsonville, GA on Biker Sunday 2008. I am a 39 year old mother of 2 girls ages 4 and 6... I have been a christian for 3 1/2 years, God saved my life. I have a tattoo on my shoulder that I got in March of this year. I have a Phoenix because I have risen from the ashes of the fire that was my life before Jesus. He loves me as I am and as long as I follow him and his will for my life then I believe things like tattoos are my preferance. He loves diversity doesn't he? There are so many species and races and everyone is different. (I will get more tats.)
---Tina on 8/25/08|
--Kathr4453: ** Shawn, your un-Christlike comment tells me all I want to hear from you!! **
Kathr4453 We are told that the things of the spirit will seem foolish or even like gibberish to a carnal mind (which only knows sin) but a renewed mind will discern and hear in all things the truth of God's Word.
If all we seek to do is to KNOW sin (which comes by the law), then all we will hear are "un-Christ-like comments". So, I'm not surprised that 'all you want to hear' or do hear are "un-Christ-like comments" from me or anyone else.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/25/08|
2) If the Jews/Pharisees didn't have to leave the law after coming to faith in Christ why do you think there are warning in Heb. about the missing of salvation, which coming about from the covet desire to cling to the knowing of sin by the law?
The Pharisees wouldn't conceive of ever leaving the law and receiving Jesus or any other Messiah because the law afforded them their worldly circumstance of knowing sin (Rom.7:7). The KNOWING of sin is why man fell in the first place.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. I had not KNOWN sin, but by the law (Rom.7:7).
Kathr4453 are you wanting to know sin after receiving salvation? If you are, then you never wanted salvation in the first place.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/25/08|
As many are are led by the Spirit of God are the Sons of God. Romans 8
I've never met anyone who said the Holy Spirit led them to a Tattoo Parlor.
James said.....if you are tempted...don't say GOD tempted you, but you are tempted when you are led away by your own lusts and desires.
This is not about LAW vs Grace. Christians are no longe part of this world or the things of this world.
May want to read 1st John and let everyone make up their own mind what the Holy Spirit is saying to those who belong to the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 8/25/08|
--Kathr4453: ** This is the warning to the Jews/Phariseeism in Hebrews who wanted to turn back to LAW!!!! **
1) On this date 08/21/08 you posted this comments in the site "Can You Loose Your Salvation"
Aren't you an advocate of continuing in the law like the Jews/Pharisees? Telling people to not leave their master "the law" or if they have, to turn back to LAW!!!!
Are you mistakenly spewing this stuff out at random because you don't know what to believe? Or are you intentionally being misleading?
Because on this site you're telling people that we are to keep following the law and on that other site you're telling them that there are warning about turning back to LAW.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/23/08|
**First of all those "markS" are not the mark (seal) that the Lord will be looking for when He comes.**
No Shawn..but it will be the marks the Lord will see as we are rewarded.....Gold, silver and precious stone.
However the wood hay and stubble of the world will burn up, leaving many with no rewards at all.
What ever Shawn...you'll always have those tattoos to look at...
The Lord said...be not many teachers because they will receive a worse punishment.
While thy promise them liberty...they themselves are caught up in destruction...a pig once cleansed back wallowing in the mud.
Shawn, your un-Christlike comment tells me all I want to hear from you!!
---kathr4453 on 8/22/08|
First of all those "markS" are not the mark (seal) that the Lord will be looking for when He comes.
And secondly when a renewed mind envisions Heaven they are not looking for things of this world.
I find it peculiar that when you envision Heaven, you're looking around for a tattooing parlor (is there something deep with-in you that wants one) when you should be only observing & noticing the Lord our God, mindfully praising His name.
But I guess you haven't had too much practice in just being mindful of the Lord, seeing how you're splitting your attention between Him and the law.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/22/08|
Philippians 3:18-20 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.
20For our conversation is in heaven, from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
We(His Church...those saved by GRACE) are seated with Christ in Heavenly places, and as I look around I see NO TATTOO parlors.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/08|
Shawn...MARKS is plural...not singular.
From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
Peter also describes these marks:
1 Peter 4
1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin,
2That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: ......
---kathr4453 on 8/22/08|
You're absolutely right the Lord will only be looking for His seal which is our promise unto salvation and if that mark is upon us, then ALL shall be forgiven (o:
By the way, the mark of the Lord Jesus Christ is the seal of the Holy Spirit which we bear on our soul!
---Shawn.M.T on 8/21/08|
Paul said...I bear in my body the Marks of the Lord Jesus
I really think the Lord will be looking for those.
---kathr4453 on 8/21/08|
--Kathr4453: *** We will just have to agree to disagree**
I'm not here to disagree with anyone! I'm here just to state the Word of God.
Christ came to liberate us from having to continuously carry the heavy burden of the Messianic law. He has told us to take upon ourselves His yoke, for it is easy & His burden is light. Christ being meek & lowly in heart, it is only in Him that we shall find rest for our souls. (Matt.11:28-30)
So, if you wish to subject yourself to continuous suffering under the heavy burdensome yoke of the law, then that is your right. But Christ did not bleed for the world with hopes of you continuing to suffer.
I pray that you hear collectively all that the Lord has put before you.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/21/08|
There is nothing in the Torah forbidding Gentiles from having tattooes. They are only forbidden for Jews. But in my view they are unattractive on anybody.
---bernie_cohen on 8/20/08|
Not everyone that has a tatoo comes from dysfunction or rough lifestyles. I have a single tatoo right now, it is a heart with the chinese symbols that stand for love and life. my daughter gave this to me as a mother's day gift--she has a matching one--she said it means that if i had not given her life, she would have never known a mothers love. she has tatoo's that have special meaning to each one. i plan on getting other tats to symolize loved ones that have past, or that are still here--my children. I would never put anything on my body that would would be foul or course becuase I am a christian and i want my body and actions to represent that. I hope this helps.
---Angie on 8/20/08|
****Renew your mind. What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common (Acts 10:15).*****
Absolutely....I'm not talking about those who have tattooing before they become saved.
However, as I stated before.....when our conscience has been perged by the blood of Christ......cleansing.......we don't go back into the world and continue in worldly behavior......*a dog turning again to his own vomit*....I believe is the verse we can apply here, and accurately so.
We will just have to agree to disagree.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/08|
You need to observe were you heard that "grace means we can do anything we want."
I have never heard anyone on this blog site make such a statement but for some reason you're assuming as much.
Your assumptions are your thoughts, from your mind, keeping you from hearing the truth of God's Word.
Renew your mind. What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common (Acts 10:15).
---Shawn.M.T on 8/20/08|
Youre right only through faith in Christ are we able to overcome, not faith in the law as you are spewing! Two Masters You Have!
You need to stop viewing things as clean or unclean, as the world does through the law and start viewing things only through Christ who has made all things clean.
And in Rom.12 the body that is being spoken of is the body that was brought with the price of the blood of Christ, which is the soul, not this earthly vessel.
It sounds like you're not presenting your soul a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God seeing how you have yet to died to the law.
No man is justified by the law in the sight of God (Gal.3:11)
---Shawn.M.T on 8/20/08|
>>Moderator - It is a sign of a pagan generation. Would Jesus wear a tatoo?<<
Doesn't it depend on the tatoo? I mean, sure if it is a dagger or skull or demon, but what about a cross or other religous icon? I have seen a FEW very tasteful tatoos and some with good messages. For women, I suppose the same applies. A small rose is sometimes nice, or a butterfly, but I would not go for much more than that. The problem is that they are permenant, and when they get old they degrade and blurr and look really bad in many cases.
---obewan on 8/20/08|
Only Christ IN YOU overcomes.
When you've come to a place where YOU are united WITH Christ in death and resurrection Life..then YOU will have a proper understanding of OVERCOMING.
It's teachers as yourself that many criticize GRACE...stating Grace means you can do anything you want.
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God,which is your reasonable service.
2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
When you have obeyed this...you'll be singing a different song!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/20/08|
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John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. The freedom of our deeds can only be had through faith in Christ & seen with a renewed mind. The messianic law condemns us, it does not justify our deeds.
The deeds of an un-renewed mind will lead it astray because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God (the law of the Spirit of Life), neither indeed can be (Rom.8:2, 7).
The messianic law was purposed for a carnal mind-set. To hold onto the messianic law is to hold onto a carnal mind-set and none of your deeds will be justified in the law of the Spirit of Life.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/19/08|
--Kathr4453:***we OVERCOME teh world and the things of this world. Tattooing is worldly **
The law is of the world, yet you insist on conforming to it.
As a matter of fact as long as we are in this world there is nothing physically that we can do that is not of this world.
It is not through our physical actions but by the renewing of our minds that we over come the world.
James 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Our minds are to no longer make distinctions between clean & unclean (Acts 10:11-15) calling this blessed & that cursed, but are to speak blessings over all things.
This is how we over come the world.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/19/08|
****When we abide in Christ, where there is no condemnation, our souls have become new creatures and are no longer subject to the transgressions of sin & death, which has now been condemned to the flesh.****
When we abide in Christ, we OVERCOME teh world and the things of this world.
Tattooing is worldly, not heavenly. We don't carry INTO Christ's Body the things of this world.
Don't turn Grace into Lasciviousness.
Grace = Crucifying the FLESH and the affections and lusts of this world, and worldliness.
To do this AFTER you are saved is stranger than science fiction!
---kathr4453 on 8/19/08|
--Kathr4453: "Shawn, again you insist the Gentiles who came to Christ were under LAW.....they were not."
I did not state the Gentiles who came to Christ were under the law. I stated, the Jews were insisting that the Gentiles follow the law even after coming to Christ & receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Just as you, yourself are insisting that the body of Christ follow the law instead of the head! There can only be ONE MASTER!!
---Shawn.M.T on 8/18/08|
1) A soul condemned under the curse of the transgression of sins is the "Old Man".
When we abide in Christ, where there is no condemnation, our souls have become new creatures and are no longer subject to the transgressions of sin & death, which has now been condemned to the flesh.
It sounds like you're still clinging to the law with hopes that it can bring justification to your flesh as well, but no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, for the just shall live by faith alone(Gal.3:11). This is because it is Christ that has made all things clean.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/18/08|
2) The Lord told us in Acts 10:11-15 to no longer make the distention between things as the law does because what God has cleansed, we that are in Christ are not to call common.
So way do you persist in telling the body of Christ that tattoos are common or unclean? In doing so, you're leading them to serve two masters and they will either hate the one and love the other or else hold to the one and despise the other. We cannot serve God and mammon.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/18/08|
Shawn, again you insist the Gentiles who came to Christ were under LAW.....they were not.
Read Ephesians 4 and Colossians 3....
Paul instructs the GENTILES...put off the OLD MAN (including all the pagan practices of the OLD MAN ) and put on Christ.
NO ONE is discussing old and New Covenant here.
Heathens obviously married their fathers mother...worshipped Dianna, and who knows what.... (Corinthians).
Law or no law, as Paul is not teaching either here in Corinthians....we are a NEW Creation IN CHRIST ..OLD THINGS.....even pagan practices and the desires of the FLESH/WORLD pass away....
---kathr4453 on 8/18/08|
--Kathr4453: Putting faith in Christ and still looking back & clinging to the law is liken to trying to serve two masters(Matt.6:24) Or putting ones hand to the plough, and looking back (Luke 9:62).
This is reminiscent of the disciples of Jesus who separated themselves from Him, & His 12 apostle, because they could not fully embrace Christ for their lack of being able to let go of the letter of the law. Believing that there would have to be more that will come from holding-on to the law(John 6:66). They could not hear that the law was being completed or in our case is completed.
I will pray for all that are unable to hear because of their fears of dyeing to something that has served its purpose & is completed.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/16/08|
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
---Angie on 8/15/08|
You don't know what you're saying. "Gnosticism" is anyone still clinging to the law, expecting to be sanctified. I follow & put my faith in Christ, not the law.
I'm peddling nothing, just stating the Word of God.
The law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith but after faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster (Gal.3:24-25).
We can not "live a sanctified life before God" by following the law because no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, the just shall live by faith (Gal.3:11).
Once again: Realize we are free from the Law not the Commandments. Try and keep them straight.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/15/08|
**The tattoo is a sign of sin on their soul, if the person is under the law. But if they are no longer under the law then the tattoo is a sign of nothing as far as their soul is concerned.**
Shawn, you are terribly WRONG here.
We belong to the Lord BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT.
Please don't peddle your wares on some kind of spiritual technicality of doctrine based on the Law vs Grace. We are called to PUT OFF the OLD man, and put ON the NEW. Gentiles were never under LAW to begin with..yet Paul says...put off that old man..that old heathen who practiced paganism...and put on Christ.
You are promoting Gnosticism....stating what we do with our bodies doesn't matter.
Sanctification is BODY, SOUL and SPIRIT.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/08|
our bodies, whether men or women, are supposed to be temples of God, as Christians, the world should see God through us, if we look like the rest of the world, how is the world going to tell who is Christian and who isn't?
for example, if you had a can of spray paint, would you paint graffiti on the side of your church? I would certainly hope not, because of what the church represents, and if you would respect a building, which has no soul, you should do the same with your body, which does have a soul
---Anthony on 8/14/08|
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Leave immoral motives to those who are immoral. Like Christ said let the dead bury the dead.
The purpose of anything will very from person to person. We are not to judge or assume, so if you what to know what it means to the person wearing the tattoo "Ask Them"!
But a "Tramp Stamp" is an effeminate tattoo on a man, which was highly suggested by a woman. It's her way of degradingly marking him. Its equivalent to saying she's controlling things or she's the one wearing the pants.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/14/08|
1) We are freed from the Law not the Commandments, let's not get them mixed-up. To Kill is not one of the commandments hanging on the Love of God & neighbor. So why would you ask, someone under the "Spirit of Life" that has been set free from the law, if they are free to Kill someone?
If we can focus & not loose sight of the "Question" at hand, we can come to "One Accord"!
The question being: Are tattoos a sign of something deeper in a persons soul?
---Shawn.M.T on 8/14/08|
2) The only sign on our souls is sinner or saved and Yes! Although we all are sinner, our souls are saved through faith in Christ.
And "whatsoever is not of faith is sin" (Rom.14:23) and "the law is not of faith" (Gal.3:12).
The tattoo is a sign of sin on their soul, if the person is under the law. But if they are no longer under the law then the tattoo is a sign of nothing as far as their soul is concerned.
It does not matter were the origins of tattoos or any other ritual began because Christ has made all things clean. As long as we are walking by the faith of the love of God & neighbor, which is where all the commandments hang, then our souls are no longer considered transgressor of sin.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/14/08|
I am admitting my naivety, I was hip 20 years ago, but here is my question concerning tattoos and young woman. Maybe someone can enlighten me and ease my fear.
What is the purpose of the tattoos on the lower back of many young woman? In my state thy are called "Tramp stamps" I imagine that would depend upon the individuals motive, but is there an immoral motive also? I like to assume the best in people but knowing human depravity I know better.
---Jim on 8/14/08|
Strongaxe, Tattoos represent pagan religions who marked and pierced their bodies....and we see many still do today.
Just because we are not under the Levitical Law has no bearing here.
The BLOOD of Jesus has purged our conscience from dead works AKA:(old heathen pagan practices) to serve the Living God.
We are bought with a price, and we are not our own....
Don't mock God by misleading people that Grace means we can do anything we want, because we are no longer under the Law of Moses.
Are you free to KILL someone now that you are no longer under the Law....????
Those who went into the Promise land were told ......don't go back to the things of Egypt...Egypt represents Worldliness!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08|
I personally don't like tattoos and piercings. However, as Christians, we are no longer bound by the laws of Leviticus. If we attempt to justify ourselves by refraining from tattoos and piercings, we are obliged to keep all of it (throw out the ham and cheeseburgers and football and polyester blends and the Norelco, making our wives live in the garage for a few days every month, and 600+ other things).
Do you want to be yoked to a law that leads to condemnation and death? I certainly don't.
---StrongAxe on 8/13/08|
1) We need to be careful of not loosing the meaning of God's Word, which happens when it's used out of context.
All through-out 1Cor.6 the body that is being spoken of is the soul and not the fleshy body. This is made clear by reading 1Cor6:20 where it states, we were bought with a price (that price being the blood of Christ & what it bought was salvation for our soul and this is the body being spoken of here).
We defile ourselves by accepting the mark of the beast upon our hearts and speaking its lying, destructive words of sin ( & a tattoo is not the mark of the beast). By receiving Christ & being sealed with the Holy Spirit we keep ourselves from the defiling mark of the beast.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/13/08|
2) And Christ Himself also said it's what comes out of a man's mouth that defiles him (pointing to the heart or soul) & not what goes in his mouth, whether that is a pieced tongue or even a tattoo because they are all something that we wear not something that is spoken.
The Holy Spirit is the seal of promise upon our soul and this is where the Spirit dwells. It just so happens that our soul dwell in this fleshy body and everything, other than the soul, that is in or on this fleshy body will soon go into the draught, when our fleshy bodies are quickened.
---Shawn.M.T on 8/13/08|
the Old Testament law commanded the Israelites, Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put TATTOO marks on yourselves. I am the LORD (Leviticus 19:28). the NT instruct us to dress modestly (1 Timothy 2:9). the essential meaning of modesty is not drawing attention to yourself.tattoos most definitely draw attention. therefore, it is not modest."For whatsoever is not of faith is sin" (Romans 14:23).
---selfa5593 on 8/13/08|
Tatoos are the UGLIEST thing on God's green earth.
---catherine on 8/13/08|
Your body is a temple. 1 Corinthians 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
Therefore it is pride that sets in when you want to tattoo / desecrate God's body he lent you. Repent. Get it removed.
liberal is a tattoo. pride is behind the reasoning." What I want to do with My body is my business..."
---paul on 8/13/08|
tatoos and piercings tell to whom we want to be associated or what we want to say about ourselves. I have pierced ears and that doesn't make me different, but if I had numerous piercings and tatoos, I would be sending a different signal.
---shira on 8/9/08|
I disagree I have to disagree arguments like this is just another stupid topic church to divide on. I personaly think their fine imany people use them to help evangalize and think of it as saying 'Hey this is the life i want to to stick and i want to testify it'I don't want to make an argument over this so if you want to know more i suggest you look it up in the bible and pray about it.
---Daniel on 8/2/07|
Tattoos: We are not judging, just pointing out what God said about marking the body with such vile cuttings..He created us all, and so asked us in Leviticus not to mark out bodies..not to cut it..thats not judging..no, it does not make one less a christian..they obviously didnt know the text in the Bible..if they did, then they went against God.
---jana on 7/23/07|
I do not have a tattoo, however, I am a Christian. It surprises me how much some of you judge by appearance. That is not what will determine where you spend eternity. People see actions, God sees intentions. Oh, by the way, since we are all quoting scripture, try reading Revelation 19:16. Makes you wonder...
---Deanna on 7/20/07|
How about we concern ourselves with issues that REALLY matter... Like salvation for instance. If a person believes that Christ is the son of God, and was sent as the ultimate sacrifice BY God to die on the cross that we (sinners) might be saved, if they call on the Lord confess their sins and turn to Him, they will be Saved. Jesus was most concerned about LOVE. I could be someone who looks really religious on the outside, who would never get a tattoo or a piercing, but if I have not love.. I have nothing.
---Tricia on 7/17/07|
Nancy your excuses sound real good, they really do but they won't work. Tattos are other worldy, ungodly and a vey immature thing to do. We can justify anything we do but do you feel what you did was the better choice? At 55 you should know better. You are way past that stage in your life. Also: just having a belief in God does not save anyone. The devil believe also. But the difference is..the devil won't and can't live for him. There is a giving up, sacrifice and suffering on this Christian journey.
---Robyn on 7/14/07|
Nancy - Hi. You say you believe in God. Do you believe that God's Son Jesus Christ took on human flesh and died on the Cross for your sins then rose from the dead?
---Helen_5378 on 7/14/07|
Just because someone has a tattoo doesn't make him/her any less of a Christian. Is there a way a Christian is supposed to look? Who are we to judge a persons heart by how a person looks? The clean cut person next door could be a serial killer while the kid dressed all in black could be active in youth group. We need to not judge how a person dresses to know his/her heart.
---Katie on 7/14/07|
I am 55 and I just got my first tatto. I believe in God and feel I am a good person. I have two friends that I am very close with. We all got the same tattoo with the first letter of our name as the stem of the rose. Yellow rose for friendship. Nothing more as we are all married. We all do not feel we created a sin. Just a small symbol of friendship on our inner ankle. Do I like seeing women with tattoos all over thier body. No This mark with the rose is forever and so is our friendship.
---Nancy on 7/14/07|
NO THEY ARE NOT FOR ANYONE GOD CREATED:He said in Leviticus, dont mark your skin..They are ugly vile things ... God created us all beautiful and we dont need any add ons like make ups, tattoos yuk,earings, jewelleries adorning our bodies..goodness..u defile what God made...Lord have mercy
---jana on 6/15/07|
"Moderator - The Bible is our guide." 5/5/06
People here love to quote Lev 19:28, so I'm going to follow Lev. 25:44, go to Canada and get me a couple of slaves.
I love the way people pick and choose what verse suits their needs.
---NurseRobert on 6/15/07|
** I need some feedback regarding the subject of tatoos, for anyone but especially for ladies. I associate them with dysfunctional and "rough" lifestyle**
Seeing them as such is merely a cultural attutide, and has nothing to do with the tattoos themselves.
Among Ethiopian Christians of either sex, it's considered a great act of piety and faith to have a cross tattooed on the forehead or right hand so you can't receive the Mark of the Beast.
---Jack on 6/14/07|