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Did Dinosaurs Live With Man

Did dinosaurs walk the earth at the same time as man or were dinosaurs here 60 million years earlier?

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If dinosaurs existed 60 million years before man,then the Bible's explanation of the creation in Genesis 1 could not have been a literal 6 days as we know it, however, I believe in the literal 6 days of creation that Genesis teaches. If that is the case, then the world is only 6000 years old. The Patriarchal Dispensation lasted for 2500 years (from Gen 1 - Exod 19), the Mosaical Dispensation lasted 1500 years (from Exodus 20 - Acts 1), and the Christian Dispensation began in Acts 2 down to this present time (approx 2000 years) until the Lord returns in the clouds for Judgment. (I Thess 4:16-17)
---Patrick on 5/19/10

I don't know if this is "on topic" or not but the bible mentions DRAGONS specifically 27 times (new king james vs) and I believe it it speaking about dinosaurs. I believe that they still exist in some form. I believe the bible is literal when it speaks of the dragon in Rev. We (man) find new species that were unknown to us everyday!
---david on 2/8/08

First the earth is baptized with water, 'the fire next time,' from an old song. The end of the pliesticine saw a rapid water rise. Catalina of the California coast was part of the mainland during the ice age. There is known to have been a massive flood in mesopotamia around 3,000 bc. But faith is trancendent to facts and figures. A world flood, a regonial flood, I dont know. We are in first grade of understanding the natural world He created. My understanding is finite, His is infinite.
---MikeM on 5/24/06

Moderator; 'Fact on the 65 million years is a big assumption?' It may, I concede not be a fact, but it is still a very strong theory. I do not know. Palio-zoology is not my field, biology is. I would speak with more knowledge of those subjects. Fact or theory, I do not see what/how/when in regards to the death of the dinosaurs has to do with my or anyone else's personal salvation. I see it as a total non-sequitor. What baffles me is how some sects spin in circles over this, as if it mattered.

Moderator - It doesn't bother my world as I have been a fossil collector since childhood. I just wondered your thoughts as I know you would have a comment :)
---MikeM on 5/24/06

The asteroid collision theory links the extinction event to the Cretaceous period aBOUT 65 million years ago. A sudden increase in iridium levels, recorded AROUND THE WORLD in the period's rock stratum IS direct evidence of the impact. Most evidence suggests that a 10 km wide hit in the the Yucatn Peninsula, creating the 125 mile Chicxulub Crater triggered the extinction. The meteorite caused an huge drop in Earth's temperature,'Nuclear winter.' After this event no dinosaur fossils are found.

Moderator - Your thoughts on a worldwide flood having the same effect on animal life?
---MikeM on 5/24/06

Facts; Dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago. fact; modern man, homo sapiens existed on this earth for at least 100,000 years. I believe the Bible is inspired, and that Adam lived, he was the first coveneted man.

Moderator - Fact on the 65 million years is a big assumption.
---MikeM on 5/24/06

Chris, the bible says: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth which means that there wasn't any earth before then. As for the evidence you are talking about, are you sure you aren't judging evidence of the earth before the Noah's-day flood? Have you researched all possible solutions before concliding that there was an old earth?
---Okebaram on 5/24/06

okebaram, Scripture does not say 1 day is a 1000 years in the memory of God, that is not found in the holy scriptures. Please read Psalm 90:4; II Peter 3:8. You need to know the orientation when reading scripture, sometimes scripture is given from God's point of view for man, and other times it is written for man's point of view for man. For example, from God's point of view time is eternal, and always has been, and God made days, weeks, months, years and seasons not for himself, but for man's benefit.
---Eloy on 5/24/06

I can not believe that this conversation is still going on. Because dinosaurs are not mentioned in the bible doesn't answer the question, because neither was a platypus, but as you know they exist. Let's grow up and go onto something important.
---Dottie on 5/24/06

Thanks Eloy, I'm not in college and use the Bible to support my claims.
---chris on 5/24/06

Oh NO, it isn't.
For one, God created the world in 6 24-hour days not 5,000 or 6,000 years. I know what you're going to say: "A thousand years is like a day in God's sight"
maybe you should read those words again. It says that a thousand years are a s vivd as a day in God's memory and sight not that when God says "a day" he means 1000 years.. Oh, why was the Sabbath one day every week rather that a thousand years every 7,000 years?
---Okebaram on 5/24/06

mikem and okebaram, The data you seek is all recorded in the Holy Bible. And some colleges do have the Holy Bible in their libraries.
---Eloy on 5/24/06

If they would have looked to the Bible they could have seen that the Earth was round and suspended in space. Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth..." Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing."
---chris on 5/23/06

Okebaram, I knew what you meant. I also agree about Heaven. (I appearantly misunderstood what you meant the first time).

I'm not dropping the idea of an old Earth. I have found more evidence in it than I have with other ideals so far. Actually, I whole-heartedly denied the possibility at first, until I read up on it and it all hit me like a revelation. (I'm not one of these that claims to see visions or anything, but I felt like my eyes were really opened to the magnitude of Gods infinate power)
---chris on 5/23/06

More.....we can see the changes the weather makes in our planet, the volcanos, earthquakes, etc. The church condemmed Galileo because he said the earth was round, and not the center of the Universe......and we now have proof that the earth indeed is round. God gave us minds so that we could understand our earth, universe, and God. We need to ask God for understanding when there are conflicting theories and theologies.
---Grace on 5/23/06

When speaking of Evolutionary theory, remember that there are different theories that come under this heading. Lets look at the basic definition. Evolution is a process of growth or change of our planet and its inhabitants. We don't know for sure about the details, but what we do know is that there is a process of growth on this planet, and we are witness to it everyday, as we can see our own growth and change as human beings over our lifespan. More.....
---Grace on 5/23/06

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Chris, I meant to say: drop your idea of creatures existing before the animals and Adam God created in Genesis. Just thought I'll specify that before you misquote me.
---Okebaram on 5/23/06

Wow, Eloy! How informed you are! Can you also help us out with when Eve was created, when the Solar system was created and when Satan rebelled against God?

Chris, the physical world was modelled after the spiritual heaven. When I say heaven isn't physical, I mean it isn't bound by our laws of physics, although there is some resemblance in appearance and identifiable features. And, please, drop your idea of physical creatures existing before Adam.
---Okebaram on 5/23/06

MikeM why are you here whan all youi do is make fun of peoples beliefs???
---Molly on 5/23/06

A Catholic; hope all's well? you are right that if people are believing differently they aren't all truly inspired by the HS who brings us into one accord as we yeild ourselfs, our preconcieved notions, to be open to Gods teaching and direction. God desires to bring us into a fuller knowledge of the truth, of Him. He is able. I love this scripture: He that began a good work in you WILL bring it to completion in the day of Christ Jesus our Lord. God alone gets the glory!!!
---christina on 5/23/06

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ELOY-"The world was created in 10,194 B.C., and Adam the first man was created in 4194 B.C' Was that eastern standerd time? Eloy, please go to all colleges, universities and inform the physical science departments of your findings, its a big job, but together we can revamp the whole scientific paradigm! (I enjoy your postings more than anyone else's.)
---MikeM on 5/23/06

Eloy, you are misunderstanding my arguments. I am not supporting evolution. I beleive that Adam was the 1st human being created by God, just like you do. No, monkeys or fish, just dirt and breathe of life. Your statement made it sound like you thought science was antiGod as a whole. I agree that evolutionary science is against God. But I think God created science and did mean for us to learn many wonderful things.
---chris on 5/23/06

chris and mikem, When science claims that there is no God, and they profess falsehood which is clearly against Sacred Scripture it is antiGod. The world was created in 10,194 B.C., and Adam the first man was created in 4194 B.C.; Man was created a separate species, not evolving from apes or guppies or sludge; etc. "Avoid profane empty talk, and contradictions by science falsely so called: which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with you. A-men." I Timothy 6:2021.
---Eloy on 5/23/06

Terry; you make my point stronger than anything I could possibly say.
---MikeM on 5/22/06

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Just because we cant observe something, or understand it, doesnt prove that its not real. Heaven is described with too many physical characteristics. "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."
(II Cor. 12:2) "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." (John 8:23)
---chris on 5/22/06

I was talking about the "sons of God" in the passage Chris quoted. I know we are sons of God.
angels lived in heaven where they still live in today, and heaven is not a physical place.
---Okebaram on 5/22/06

The Bible says the earth is 6,000 years old and those who fight against the Bible will get a suprise some only come to argue and debate and confuse believers. All this science is speculation my parents took me out of science class when they started teaching that evolution and you should take out your children to and not let them be fooled.
---Terry on 5/22/06

Lts see, science is anti-God. Then Eloy must not go to the doctor, wear glasses, or go to the internet, as the cyber-world is a product of science, all evil. well I have enjoyed your post, through animated rhetoric, they are interesting. I will miss you.
---MikeM on 5/22/06

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Even Jesus acknowledged noah's flood as a real event. Matthew 24:37-39 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
---chris on 5/22/06

Jerry; 'the evidence of earth's strata, there was a universal flood.' I would like to know where the evidence for that is. There were many 'floods.' As the last ice sheets melted there was a rapid rise in ocean levels. On the Colorado river one can see the high water marks from the last ice age, ending about 12,000 years ago. In central America they have a lake with 'fresh water sharks,' evolved from when the lake was connected to the ocean, then cut off. The Noah flood is somewhat metaphorical.
---MikeMills on 5/22/06

Eloy, how is science anti-God or anti-Christ when it was God who created everything? This would include science and all of the laws of physics and nature. I do agree that many of man's scientific theories are way off, but God meant for us to learn some of these things. As far as creation goes, I think he told us that it was 6 literal days. He was speaking to us in our concept of time.
---chris on 5/22/06

Jerry, "Remember, he was cast out of heaven." Yes this is true, but why was he cast out? He was in good standing with God until the event recorded in Isaiah 14:12-16 "...For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God..." He was planning to ascend INTO Heaven to dethrone God and THEN was banished. Where was he? Obviously Heaven was a place he could ascend and descend from.
---chris on 5/22/06

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So Christina, are various people being inspired differently? If that is so, then they are not truly inspired but they are over simplifying and, I dare say, abusing the power of the H.S.
---A_Catholic on 5/22/06

It's difficult to understand why a question like this would appear on a site of generally consisting of Bible believers. According to the Bible and the evidence of earth's strata, there was a universal flood. When drowned, reptiles tend to sink and mammals float, so they are generally found indifferent layers. But not always.
---jerry6593 on 5/22/06

Jerry said "Any rock sample will support 6000-year as well as multi-million-year radiometric dates. The scientist chooses the value that supports his personal paradigm." This is so true. Radiometric/carbon dating is unreliable, and any true scientist knows (if they're honest) that there is mounting controversial evidence that cannot be explained away. But in pride, stubbornness, we humans have a tough time admitting we are wrong
---christina on 5/22/06

A Catholic: I disagree with 2 things. 1:The confusion here shows me that the interpretation of man, "learned" or not, is NOT what is needed. Many here are learned, yet disagree. Every man is right in his own eyes. So it IS God's revelation that is needed through the Holy Spirit.2: you say"The help of the H.S. alone is not enough", isn't God able? word says my God is sufficient
---christina on 5/22/06

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A Catholic- If that be so, why are you still a Catholic? How can you pray to Mary when Jesus is our mediator? How can you confess to a man when we are to confess to Jesus? How can you hold a piece of bread in high reguard when it is blessed by a man?
---Rev_Herb on 5/22/06

You know something? Reading the many posts where many disagree and have various interpretations, seals more in my mind that the necessity of learned people to interpret the Bible is a must.

The help of the H.S. alone is not enough, we have to do our part by studying the Bible in depth and if we can't than we should rely on those who did.
---A_Catholic on 5/22/06

chris, I not only claim that 1 day in heaven to God equals 1000 years on earth to man, but I profess it as the truth as recorded in scripture. Jesus is in charge of time and he can accelerate or decelerate it just as he has in changing the water into perfectly aged and fermented wine in an instant. As far as man's radio dating or any other faulty measurements of man, I will hold fast to the truth as found in God's Word, rather than man's ignorant antiGod and antiChrist science.
---Eloy on 5/22/06

Chris: Remember, he was cast out of heaven.
---jerry6593 on 5/22/06

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Chris-In any event these divergent 'faith based' notions, all of them conflict with objective reality. some with real faith see the Genesis account as metaphor, and the Bible the book that leads man to salvation. I do not read the Bible on how to mow my lawn, understand the workings of my car, or geology. I read the Bible for salvation. My limited understanding of Biology may, or may not compliment my beliefs, so far, it has.
---MikeM on 5/21/06

MikeM, Im not sure if my theory fits in the groups you mentioned. THe Old-Earth Creation Ruin-Reconstruction is a refinement of the "Gap Theory", and proposes that God created the universe in the ancient past, that it was tainted with death by the rebellion of Lucifer, and was eventually ruined. Then regenerated in six literal 24 hour days, about 6000 years ago. It meets the requirements for both an old Earth (according to Geology) and a literal 7 day creative event including literal Adam.
---chris on 5/21/06

This is a rather 'unique' thread. 3 here say dinosaurs never existed, 3 say the earth is only 6,000 years old. Others say scientist have a hidden satanic agenda by saying they existed long ago while Satan floated in the sky. What theologies led to these conclusions is very unique, and clearly hostile to education.
---MikeM on 5/21/06

If "good" angels appear as men, does it not make sense that "bad" ones would also? When God told Adam and Eve to "replenish" the earth (Genesis 1:28), that which Adam and Eve (true man) replaced was the fleshly race of the "sons of God" who inhabited the face of the old world and perished along with everything else by the time of Genesis 1:2, where the earth is found without form and void. Everywhere in the Bible where angels appear, they appear as men
---chris on 5/21/06

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The bible teaches that death ENTERED into this world. Its not referring to the world that was here prior to the 6 day regeneration of the earth. If sin didnt exist then how did the serpent(sinner) know there was "good and evil"
when tempting(sin) Eve. Jerry, why did Lucifer need to "ascend into heaven" if he was in heaven already? Isaiah 14:13
---chris on 5/21/06

Herb they didn't, they died AFTER Adam sinned.
---emg on 5/21/06

The sons of God aren't angels,angels didn't mate with women,giants were already on the earth before the sons of God took wives of the daughters of men, Genesis 6:4. The sons of God, like now ,are followers of God,nonsons are the sinners. Which also is a forbidden union,even now. The "story", angels and humans mating, is a fable,false doctrine,angels neither marry nor are given in marriage Matthew22:30. Angels are spirits,no DNA formula for making a baby. Everthing's created after its kind.
---Darlene_1 on 5/21/06

If the bible teaches that death came by the sin of Adam, and there was no death before that, how did dinosaurs die off before Adam sined?
---Rev_Herb on 5/21/06

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I personally think that 'after their kind' means that they were all totally different from each other and none of them were made in the image of God. This is what makes man so different from ANY animal. From creation onwards everything has produced after its own kind. Fish produce fish, monkeys produce monkeys, humans produce humans but, because God made man in His own image all humans are made in His image.
---M.P. on 5/21/06

OK, try this. The sons of God are simply those that love God (John 1:12). They can be men or angels. Lucifer lived in heaven where there was a garden, clouds, etc. and was cast to earth after it was created. The entire earth was created in 6 days (Exo 20:11). There are no dinosaur strata on a formless, void planet. Any rock sample will support 6000-year as well as multi-million-year radiometric dates. The scientist chooses the value that supports his personal paradigm.
---jerry6593 on 5/21/06

okebaram - (The "sons of God" are clearly angels.) Good okebaram, that was what I was hoping you would say. So now tell me, when did God create them? Where did they live? In the case of Lucifer, we know there were nations, clouds, morning, ground, and the garden of Eden. (Isaiah 14:12-16; Ezekiel 28:13-17) According to Job 38:4-7 they were created before the foundation of Earth was laid. (I dont need to study more... well I do, but I asked that rhetorically)
---chris on 5/20/06

God created heaven and earth in Genesis 1:1.
In Genesis 1:2, He restored the earth after it was destroyed by Satan. He didn't create the earth as a fixer-upper. Satan was cast out of Heaven between verse 1 & 2.Isaiah 14. There are many thousands of years between verse 1 & 2, which gives the time of the dinasaurs and other life. In Gen. 1:28, God instructs Adam to replenish the earth. Replenish is only used one other time, Gen. 9:1, after the flood.
---Debbie on 5/20/06

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Hi Okebaram,
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is. 1 John 3:2
Question: Are we angels?
---Geoff on 5/20/06

The "sons of God" are clearly angels. Study it more...
---okebaram on 5/20/06

All of the animals were made "after their kind" What "kind" were they made after if they hadnt existed before in some likeness? (Except for whales I guess, they must have been a brand new creation). Man was not referred to as "after his kind" but rather, in the image of God.
---chris on 5/19/06

"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding... When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7) Who are these "sons of God" spoken of here? They certainly were not men, as they were here before the Earth was created. Does the Bible tell us when and where they were created?
---chris on 5/19/06

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Chris, where is your biblical proof of a pre-adamite earth?
---Okebaram on 5/19/06

Okebaram - "For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
(Isaiah 45:18 KJV)
the Lord God did NOT originally create the Earth in such a desolate condition. The word "vain" in Isaiah 45:18 and the term "without form" in Genesis 1:2 are from the same Hebrew word (tohuw). the Earth is already there.
---chris on 5/19/06

In Isaiah 14:12-16 we have a reference to Lucifers fall it refers to "morning" (that needs a setup to allow for night and day); "cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!" (how was there ground and where were the nations?); "ascend into heaven" (where was he ascending from to need to go "into" heaven?); "above the heights of the clouds" (need an atmosphere for clouds). Then Ezekiel 28:13-17 He was "in Eden the garden of God" etc.
---chris on 5/19/06

Also Eloy, the concept that the Earth itself was created on day one can not explain the antiquity of the Earth's Geology as determined by Radio Dating and fossil record. That is why I believe God created the universe in the ancient past, that it was tainted with Death by the rebellion of Lucifer early in it's history, and was eventually ruined. God then regenerated the heavens and earth in six literal 24 hour days. It's not a gap in the verses, but between the statements.
---chris on 5/19/06

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I understand eloy, you also cannot claim that each day of creation was 1000 years either. If so, then you are reading into the scriptures. If each day was 1000 years long, then the plant life made on the 3rd Day would have been in the dark for 1000 years until there was sunshine made on 4th day. How did it survive?
---chris on 5/19/06

chris, there are verse which say that a thousand years to man on earth is equal to one day in heaven to God. But I cannot stretch this meaning to mean millions or billions of years as many ignorant so-called scientist claim for a history.
---Eloy on 5/19/06

chris, you are reading into the scriptures which is error, instead let the scriptures read to you. The original scriptures had no numbered verses, therefore Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 through verse 5 all happened on the same day.
---Eloy on 5/19/06

I do not believe that dinosaurs existed. And for them to walk the earth at the same time as man, well that just does not make sense.... they were so huge and if they were real I am sure that they would be mentioned in the Bible. So therefore they would have had to existed before man was created which does not line up with Scripture at all.
---Helen_5378 on 5/19/06

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Chris; BoDilly, I somewhat agree with you. Gen.1;earth created. vs2 check it out, not "was without...", but "became without..
Then vs 3 sun yet.(solarlight). Also ready 2Tim.5-7. world perished, then in 7 "which are now". We are aware of a flood, but the world did not perish... lots of room for that "pre-Adamic age" that is poopooed so much. Regardless, what we need to please God is all in the Book. He will tell us later what we don't know now...
---mikefl on 5/18/06

Chris, you are greatly delusional. When God created the earth, it was without form: in order words he created a shapeless mass of all the ingredients contained in the earth. There is no such thing as a pre-adamite earth that was destroyed!
---Okebaram on 5/18/06

In Both insidences God told both Adam and Noah to replenish the earth. After the flood Noah (sons rather) were to refill what has been destroyed. Same as Adam. So the earth only being 6000 yrs old is a mispresumption being taught by many. (New age bibles also deny the earth being older then 6000 yrs old). 6000 years old is from the creation of Adam to us...not the age of earth to us.
---BoDilly on 5/18/06

Chris, Very well done but I want to add to it. Being a "Gap-Theory" Believer lets see what else the bible says about the earth being only 6000 yrs old. And it might answer a few other questions as well. Did man exist with dinosaurs? Yes. What time we really dont know. Genesis 1:28 God told Adam to "replenish" the earth be fruitful and multiply. The word replenish means to refill, not James Strongs definition of to fill. Notice in Genesis 9:1 God told Noah to replenish the earth.
---BoDilly on 5/18/06

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Mod: Fossil footprints of man + dinosaur are found in the Paluxy River in Glen Rose, Texas. See Creation Evidences Museum.

Moderator - I have been there and seen the fossils. There are thousands of dinosaur prints at this location (best set of dinosaur prints I have seen anywhere on the planet). At this location, they have ONE so called human foot print which takes an incredible amount of imagination to call it a human foot print.
---jerry6593 on 5/18/06

the verse clearly says, the Earth is already there. Although it is "without form and void" on the surface, and covered in waters, it is most certainly already the planet Earth. It even has a's called THE EARTH. The presence of water, in either liquid form or ice tells us that this planet already has some form of an atmosphere. ...and outer space is already there too because the Earth is already in space rotating on its axis on a 24 hour clock (the evening and the morning).
---chris on 5/18/06

3- Genesis 1:3 is the beginning of a seven day restoration process. or... it was the Divine work of making a new GENERATION of the "heavens and earth":

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
(Genesis 2:4 KJV)
---chris on 5/18/06

2- In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 1 heaven and 1 earth. Our current setup has multiple heavens and 1 earth. On the very first of the Genesis days, before God says, "let there be light," several things are already there. 1.) the Earth, 2.) waters, 3.) the "deep," and 4.) darkness. Genesis 1:2 describes the CONDITION of the Earth at a point in time AFTER the "heaven and earth" were first created.
---chris on 5/18/06

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Unfortunately I dont have the space to explain it. But I'll try.
Gen 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
- then there is a long span of time that we dont know the details of other than the Earth is wiped out.
Gen 1:2 "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
- now god begins the 6 days of recreation in v. 3
---chris on 5/18/06

Where in the Bible does it state there was a regeneration of the Earth? Genesis states that God created the Earth not regenerated the Earth or do you have a new translation of the Bible?
---Frank on 5/18/06

Chris, who created a pre-adamite earth? Did you?
---Okebaram on 5/18/06

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