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What Is A Backslider

Is the word backslider written in scriptures? What is the scriptural definition of a backslider?

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I cannot find the word back-slider in scripture, however I do see fallen from Grace.

In the OT The Holy Spirit did not indwell believers. In the NT He does. This makes a great difference. He who had begun a good work in you WILL continue it until the day of Jesus Christ.

God Chastens HIS OWN, not illegitimate children. Who/What is an illegitimate child? ANS:

One who is not a BEGOTTEN son through Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 9/11/10

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It was used for Israel who once knew truth, but then became apostate *1. There are verses in the New Testament such as John 15:2 that refer to the fruitless false converts as verses the poorly producing immature believers. Other verses concern false professors of Christianity, not backsliders *2. Note: there is no textual evidence in *3 that these were ever true believers. Arminianists suppose that if it were possible for a Christian to reject his Salvation, and then to die in that unrepentant state, he would be like any other lost unbeliever. Calvinists either have a similar interpretation, but believe that a Christian could not reject his Savior, or that these verses concern an unbeliever *4.
---Glenn on 9/9/10

Proverbs 14:14 The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways:

A backslider is one who promises to walk with God, then later goes his own way.
A one time sin does not a backslider make

An unrepented person is a backslider.

Jeremiah 3:13 Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD, for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
---francis on 9/9/10

""it is the believers who argue against a God centered theology""

Really? And exactly where did you get this from MarkV?

I certainly DO know God is 100% in charge and KNOWS ALL things.
Just because HE KNOWS does not mean he chooses. God is not the author of sin.
He tells us that it is our choice. That through HIS/GOD'S will, he has presented us with a choice.God says he has given us a Choice.
Your theology (what ever it is) claims God picks who gets saved and the rest God made to burn in hell. THat is not the God of the Bible. That is some other false God.
By the way, I don't have any denomination.
I believe the word of God 100%
---ginger on 9/9/10

John Calvin and other reformers had people tortured and killed over both civil and doctrinal issues. In Geneva, John
Calvin irresistibly forced the residents of Geneva to attend church services and forced them to take the Eucharist/Lord's Supper or suffer severe consequences (isn't it amazing that the entire population of Geneva had been regenerated?). John Calvin was following Augustine's example of
forcing people to participate in the Sacraments. However, the Apostle Paul tells us we should only participate in the Lord's Supper when our heart
is right with God. It's obvious that if you force/compel people to participate in the Church you can't know who is really a believer and who is going through the motions to save their hide.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/10

*1 Jeremiah 2:19, 8:5, but 3:22 and Hosea 14:4.
*2 Matthew 7:23, Philippians 3:17-19, 2Timothy 3:1-9, 1John 2:18-19.
*3 1Timothy 4:1-2 and 2Peter 2:9-22.
*4 Hebrews 6:4-8 and 10:26-39.
H4878 meshubah', turning away from, i.e apostasy. H5637 sawrar', to turn away from, or rebel against, the truth.
Matthew 16:25, Luke 8:15, Romans chapter 6, 12:2, 1Corinthians 2:14-16, 6:7-10, 20, 9:25, 11:19, Galatians 5:16-6:10, Ephesians 4:17-32, 5:3-18, Colossians 1:9-23, 3:5-10, 2Thesalonians 3:6, James 4:1-10, 1Peter 1:14, 2:11, 5:5-9, 1John 2:15-17, 4:5-6, 2John 1:9-11, Jude 1:14-19.
---Glenn on 9/8/10

//The whole Catholic Church stands by it. So does the Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, Islam. Almost all denominations have some form of Arminian theology in them.//-MarkV

Did you really just group your brothers and sisters in Christ with Islam simply because we dont interpret scripture the same as you? How very pompous of you. How dare you group us up with Islam who deny Christ.

I would rather you just say we are all on our way to hell for not being Calvinist. I would have more respect for you if you just came out and said it rather than beating around the bush!

James 1:13, Matt 6:13, Luke 11:4


Does God tempt man with sin or lead him into it?
---JackB on 9/8/10

Boy I love my "otherthrows dont I.

Should say "overthrow" :D
---JackB on 9/8/10

Ginger, I already knew that you were going to side with Jack and Trav. In fact most of the Christians will side with you since most are Arminian in theology. The whole Catholic Church stands by it. So does the Mormons, Jehovah witnesses, Islam. Almost all denominations have some form of Arminian theology in them. So I was not angry for you siding with them. In fact, what I cannot understand is why believers side with man's freedom and not God's freedom? The unbelievers don't care much for anything, it is the believers who argue against a God centered theology. For some reason,(I believe its pride) they want to have the last word in their salvation. I thank you for responding, and hope we can discuss matters of faith later on. Peace I leave you.
---MarkV. on 9/8/10

Ok, MarkV. I just knew you might get on me about agreeing with JackB & Trav on this. Now, I agree that God knows all. I believe he knows who will be saved, too. I just don't think he does the choosing. I believe he reads peoples hearts, and like he did with Noah and Abraham, he goes to them. God knows when a sinner understands his convicting them of sin, when his word is preached. He knocks at the door of their heart and asks them to open it. We know Gods word is truth and it wont return void, Amen. I also believe that as God says, every knee shall bow and tongue confess Jesus is Lord. This tells me God is doing a great work we don't even know yet. I believe he does draw all men to him, if we do as he says and pray and praise him.
---ginger on 9/8/10

Jack, I don't answer you so that you can believe what I say. I answer you with Scripture so that you can see what Scripture says. You read it and reject it. In your mind, you already believe what you do. What you were taught. And so you fight for that believe. That is called theological bias. I know that. I was you once. Not until I learned the Nature, character and attributes of God, did I find how wrong I was. That did not happen to me until about ten years after God saved me. Maybe you will never get there, I do not know, one day you will not be here on line and neither will I and you will go on with your life. Until that time when you do learn all about God first, and believe it by faith, you will never reject Scripture Truth about God.
---MarkV. on 9/8/10

Ginger, I am not trying to slam you in anyway. That's not my purpose. In fact I respect you and Jack a whole lot. Sometimes it might sound that way, but I'm not here to make your day miserable. Just to discuss Scripture. Sometimes we forget that not everyon is up to the challenge, not because they are not saved, but because they have not studied the topics talked about, or historical facts happening in a passage. Other times because the Spirit has not yet reveal that to us. I consider everyone already saved when they answer. With the exception of Athiest. He makes it clear he does not believe in God. If you find yourself getting angry, stop answering to the topic we are talking about that is ok. We might agree on other matters of faith.
---MarkV. on 9/8/10

Calvinism does have its allure. But what sin doesnt? And as sin is, it is self-centered.

What must we ALSO believe about God to hold onto the assurances taught by Calvinism?

We must believe that before the world began he ALSO predestined men to Hell.

Calvin taught double predestination! The belief that God creates certain men with the sole intention of using them as nothing but logs for the fire. He doesnt love them - never did. Im sorry but thats not our God.

This is directly refuted by scripture. God does not tempt man with sin! (James 1:13) He abhors evil!

Would you have us believe that it was actually God that tempted us using the serpent? God is the author of evil?
---JackB on 9/8/10

//You sound like you feel you do not have to believe in the resurrection and still be saved.// - MarkV

Huh? Nowhere did I insinuate this.

This scripture isnt even talking about the resurrectino of Christ. Its talking about OUR resurrection.

If a man believed the resurrection had already occured and he was not taken wouldnt that seriously affect his faith?]

He would do as these others did. He would cast aside his faith believing it was a lie.

This is why I am concerned for those who believe in pre-trib rapture. If it doesnt happen AT THAT TIME, will it otherthrow their faith?
---JackB on 9/8/10

MarkV, I guess you haven't read Jeremiah chapter 3 where God says he waiting for ALL of Israel to return to him.
That they are in a backslidden condition.
The way that you describe elect is not truth.
I am not going to have this discussion with you again because there is no point.

You are a reformer that has gone in the so wrong direction.

Trav, thank you for that and you too, JackB.
I am sure I will get slammed for this one, LOL.
---ginger on 9/8/10

You love to be condescending dont you, Mark? No need for such petty insults. I can read just as well as you can.

//Hymenaeus and Philetus, Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, AND OTHERTHROW THE FAITH OF SOME.//

This man didnt listen to his conscience when teaching. He was teaching that the resurrection had passed already and this caused great grief to those he was teaching. It even overthrew the FAITH of some of them!

These people didnt have on the full armor. And being ignorant of Gods word, they left the faith believing a lie.
---JackB on 9/8/10

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You forgot Issachar, Trav.
That makes 14. apply one definition to every use of one word.
Such is not the case in language.
Ethnos, Gowyim, Erets, Yowm and others have different meanings based on their context.
But, I think you know this all already.
---micha9344 on 9/8/10

Know how you get that vague feeling that something is not complete....Issachar. Thanks sincerely.

Well, on language...not know as well it takes a fine mesh net to filter context using ancient language. What is left in net should match prophecy given....then prophecy fulfilled.
When two or more witness'es support the same premise/precept upon some cases 100's or 1,000's....more & more light shines.
---Trav on 9/8/10

You forgot Issachar, Trav.
That makes 14.
Of course, removing Manasseh and Ephraim, which were of Joseph, we get the 12 tribes.
Reclacing Joseph with the double inheritance and removing Levi, who didn't have an inheritance, We get the 12 nations.
Your study on Israel is good, but you apply one definition to every use of one word.
Such is not the case in language.
Ethnos, Gowyim, Erets, Yowm and others have different meanings based on their context.
But, I think you know this all already.
---micha9344 on 9/8/10

Jack, you are right they never had true faith or saving faith, they were false teachers Jack, their message spread like cancer, Hello? did you not read the whole story? For in order to be save you need to believe by faith on Christ works on the cross for your sins and His resurrection. You sound like you feel you do not have to believe in the resurrection and still be saved. Here is your problem Jack, you have the wrong purpose in mind when you wake up, it's to find fault by looking for passages that might imply that you are right. If you worked as hard to give the glory to God instead of trying to find things that give glory to man you would already know the Truth. God wants you to work for Him not for yourself.
---MarkV. on 9/8/10

Ginger, the first converts were from Israel, I said the same thing,
" The few that were saved were save by grace through faith."
Concerning the nation of Israel, from the beginning, all who rebelled against God, and all who died not having faith in the coming Messiah, went to hell. To this day millions upon millions have gone to hell. To this day the nation of Israel as a whole is not save. Anyone dying now without Christ goes to hell. There is no purgatory for anyone. The Israelites in the future who will go to heaven will have to have Christ otherwise they too will go to hell. I doesn't matter if you are devorced, married, short, or tall, fat, skinney, they need Christ in their hearts. One way only into heaven.
---MarkV. on 9/8/10

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//This is clearly what the Roman Catholic church teaches.// - MarkV

Its also what the Bible teaches.

1 Timothy 1:19,20

Holding faith, and a good conscience, which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme

2 Timothy 2:17,18

...Hymenaeus and Philetus, Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already, and overthrow the faith of some.'

Lemme guess. These people never had "saving faith" right, Mark?
---JackB on 9/7/10

What you posted about physical Israel is simply not truth. Who do you think the first converts were to believe in Christ?
They were israelites,.....
---ginger on 9/7/10

Logical, evidenced point Ginger. Also,not considered is, Israel was larger than Judah/Benjamin....who we have been falsely taught represent all Israel.
Never see mentioned here the others composing Israel. Asher,Gad,Naphtali,Zebulun,Dan,Simeon, Levi,Reuben, Joseph,Mannaseh,Ephraim.
Exodus 24:4
And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
---Trav on 9/7/10

What you posted about physical Israel is simply not truth. Who do you think the first converts were to believe in Christ?
They were israelites, brother.

Jeremiah ch.3.
God has not cut them off completely.
He says in this chapter that he is waiting for them to return to him.
God also says in the NT that if the original branches that were broken off accept Christ, he will graft them back in.. take them back.
Scripture is witnessing scripture brother. We cant deny that the door is open for them to reconcile back to God through Christ.
God says they are temporarily blind not blind forever.
Israel(fleshly) is in a backsliden condition and God is waiting for them to return. The Bible is clear on this.
---ginger on 9/7/10

Ginger, the nation of Israel as a whole has not been saved. If you do not know that, then you also know nothing of the Old Testament. All of the Elect were also chosen by God, but they are not His until God draws them to Himself. Once they are drawn, He turns them over to Christ, and none will be lost. Old Testament people were under the covenant of the law and no one could be save under the law. The few that were saved were save by grace through faith.
Whoever Rev. Cindy is, gave no context to any of the passages she gave. Each one has its own meaning. the first,
1. Examine yourselves is a command for all to make sure of their salvation.
2. 1 Chron. 28:9 they could not keep the law.
3. Stand firm, instructions for believers.
---MarkV. on 9/6/10

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MarkV, are you suggesting that Israel was NOT the bride of God as the Bible says in the OT?
Are you implying that they were NOT the chosen people?
The Bible says different in the OT.
Have you read Jeremiah chapter 3?
In fact, have you read any of the OT after Abraham?
God says that Israel fell away from him! And God is calling back to them asking that they return to him.

Rev Cindy, AMEN for that scripture!!!
---ginger on 9/5/10

Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith, test yourselves. 1 Cor 13:5 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful,unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. Encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will reject you forever. I Chronicles 28:9 Hold on to instruction, do not let it go, guard it well, for it is your life.Heb 10:25 Stand firm, then,and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.Gal. 5:1-1 Tim 4:15-17 Corinthians 9:24-25 I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness
---Rev_Cindy on 9/5/10

Ginger 2: Noah was saved by the Grace of God, through faith he believed in God that the flood was to come and so obeyed what God told him to do.
The question is: "Are some who have genuine faith who do not endure to the end and are therefore not ultimately saved?"

Semi-Pelagianism teaches that a person may come to true, authentic, saving faith and fall away from that faith, losing salvation. This is clearly what the Roman Catholic church teaches. Rome's system of sacraments provides for works of penance, the restoration to salvation of those who have fallen away. Penance is called the "second plank of salvation. That's what Eloy teaches which is wrong.
---MarkV. on 9/5/10

Ginger, you and Eloy are wrong. The passages in Jer, does not indicate the nation of Israel was saved at any time. They are still waiting for the Messiah. They were backsliding to what they were taught not from salvation. Eloy said, that Noah worked to build the ark, of course he did, because he had faith in what God said and obeyed God. Eloy wants to give credit to Noah, but the credit goes to God.
The reason you believe you can lose salvation is because you believe you were saved by your own works, and if you were saved by your own works then you can lose what you earned if you don't want to follow God. Salvation is then base on what you do, not on what God does through you. For our salvation is not of works. It is by Grace through faith.
---MarkV. on 9/5/10

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jim,youasked, i answered. what you asked was before this. if once to identify how a person is a backslider, please go to jeremiah chapter 3. if israel can backslide and god is still waiting on them then it is possible for anyone to fall into this state.
---ginger on 9/2/10

JackB, the Command for salvation is, DO and WORK: the command for salvation is Not, Do Not and Work Not: No Work then No Salvation, that is the Word. Only the Doer is saved, the NonDoer is condemned. If Noah did Not Work to build the ark, there would be No Flesh saved today. The Command is Obey, Go and Do the works of Christ. But you will perceive whatever you desire to perceive.
---Eloy on 9/2/10

It sounds to me like John had faith that Christ was coming yet was not sure who he was. By that I mean what he looked like, etc... John had not identified the Christ yet.
---ginger on 9/1/10 forget that John baptized Jesus and also said "behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world".
---JIM on 9/2/10

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Brethren, We are Saved by Hope and Faith is the substance of things Hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

The Virtue of Christ is add to our Faith and to Virtue Knowledge to Knowledge Temperance and to Temperance Patience... among other things like Godliness, Brotherly Kindness & Charity.

While Hope that is seen is not Hope, John the baptist in Matthew 11 by no means lost his Hopes of Faith in the unseen Salvation of God's Word but was in need of the Strength of Christ's Virtue to fortify his patience to wait to See & Hear those things which are not seen and in Hopes of receiving.

---Shawn.M.T on 9/1/10

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How would you answer this? In Matthew 11 John the baptist sent his disciples to ask Christ if He was the one to come or should they look for another. Sounds like John lost faith.What do you think? Did he loose his salvation?
---JIM on 8/31/10

It does not sounnd to me like John last any faith. He asked Jesus if he was the one they were waiting for.
It sounds to me like John had faith that Christ was coming yet was not sure who he was. By that I mean what he looked like, etc... John had not identified the Christ yet.
---ginger on 9/1/10

Sounds to me like you just said faith saves you. Not faith in our own ability, but faith in Christs power.
---JackB on 9/1/10

JackB, neither. First you must confess that you are a sinner and in need of Christ's salvation, then you repent and ask Jesus Christ the Savior to save you and to make you a born-again Christian. Until then you are no part of Christ, no part of me, and no part of my family. For until you enter in, you have not even begun on the new life in order for you to even be able to depart from it.
---Eloy on 9/1/10

Eloy, which do you think makes a man righteous before God?

Asking Jesus for help so that we can save ourselves by obeying the law?


Asking Jesus to save us from our failure to obey Gods laws?

Galatians 3:12 says the law is not of faith.

Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
---JackB on 9/1/10

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Sinners boast, "I am saved by faith alone." God says, "I never knew you: your faith without works is dead. You lip-server and figless tree, which say, 'My faith alone saves me', Prove it, and do my works."
---Eloy on 8/31/10

I don't find it referring to the Church the BOC
---michael_e on 8/31/10

As is always the case, those of us who claim righteousness by faith alone come under the accusation of supporting sin. I for one DO NOT. But I also dont count my obedience to Gods laws as a reason WHY I will be counted righteous when I see Him.

Paul bragged that he was circumcized according to the Law as commanded, a Hebrew of the Hebrews, a Pharisee!! of the law of God and blameless as far as being righteous by it, a very zealous man!

Yet he counted all his obedience as DUNG so that he could win Christ. (Phil 3:8)

We have to let it all go! Nothing ADDED TO Christ makes us righteous. Not even our own obedience to the laws of God. Its ALL faith in JESUS CHRIST! He IS our righteousness, not just our helper.
---JackB on 8/31/10 said:When a person looses all faith and no longer believes God or Jesus. They have lost their salvation

How would you answer this? In Matthew 11 John the baptist sent his disciples to ask Christ if He was the one to come or should they look for another. Sounds like John lost faith.What do you think? Did he loose his salvation?
---JIM on 8/31/10

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The only backsliders are the professed christians that are not sealed with the Spirit of Christ.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
--Peter also talks about these that knew the gospel, but returned to their evil ways.
--Knowing is not enough.
1 Corinthians 8:1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.
---micha9344 on 8/30/10

Mima wrote this.
The Bible says in Romans 5:8
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us."

But the Bible in Romans 5:7,8 really says this, lit.Gk:
"For hardly for a just one somebody will die, for on behalf of the good perhaps somebody yet dares to die, but God which introduced of his love toward us, because besides being of the offenders, of us Christ for us died." Displaying how Christ received the same judgment as the offenders side-by-side nailed up on the cross, and note how Jesus' sacrifice only saved the one repentant next to him on the cross, but the other Nonrepentant remaining in his sin was Not Saved.

There is a Big difference.
---Eloy on 8/28/10

Ginger, mima is a sin-supporter, wresting scriptures to support sin.
---Eloy on 8/28/10

How far does one need to backslide before one loses his/her salvation?
---John_II on 8/26/10

When a person looses all faith and no longer believes God or Jesus. They have lost their salvation

As long as a person has the faith of a mustard seed, brother, they are still saved.

When they lose that, they are no longer part of the Body.

But God says he will wait and call to them for them to return.
He certainly did for Israel in Jeremiah 3.
---ginger on 8/28/10

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That scripture means that Christ died for all sin.

No Christian has permission to sin.
Shrit told us that we shall know him in a Christian by the fruit the produce.
Good fruit is the fruits of the Spirit- Christ
Bad fruit is the fruit of the flesh- sin.

Please don't say I am telling people that we don't still sin. I am saying that a Christian is not going to continue to intentionally sin bacause Christ is in them and they Love God. God will produce the fruits of the Holy Spirit within them if they are truly saved.
---ginger on 8/27/10

Eloy wrote this.
The Christian is saved from sin, not saved in sin:

The Bible says in Romans 5:8

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us."

There appears to be a difference.
---mima on 8/27/10

John II, God has not given anyone permission to sin. God Almighty is not mocked, for whatsoever a person sows that will the person also reap. The Christian is saved from sin, not saved in sin: "A little leaven leavens the whole lump."
---Eloy on 8/27/10

How far does one need to backslide before one loses his/her salvation?
---John_II on 8/26/10

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In proverbs 14:14 we have this,
"The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied from himself."
---mima on 8/26/10

Its a word that shouldn't be used since it "Makes Lite" of a grave situation. It is one of those Politically Correct words used by modern carnal psuedo christians(Ricky Warren/Joel Olstein types) to make acceptable that which is offensive to G-d.

Similar to using the word " Affair" to describe adultery.

"G-d will NOT be Mocked"!!!
---John on 8/25/10

"Nelson's New Illustrated Bible dictionary"---To revert to sin or wrong doing, to lapse morally or in the practiced of religion [broken faith with God]. "Backsliding" is a term found mainly in the book of Jeremiah [2:19, 31:33, 49:4, also, Isa. 57:17, Hos. 11:7]. In Jeremiah, it refers to the lapse of the nation of Israel into paganism and idolatry.
---catherine on 8/24/10

A back slider is of those that had The salvation of God & it's usually in a time span they get cold, indiff, & even looking back from where they were delivered from then go back to it. A dog returns to it's vomit & the pig back to the mud hole. Some back to God but Not very many.

The devil sure has people minds corrupted. The once saved always saved Is False teaching.
You ask a baptist person this, if you ( he or she ) were in the phys Act of committing sexual adultery with another man or woman, & the rapture would take place would you go? Even if bapt person got a alcoh - drinking stooper, wasn't thinking right, went & partook of the mark of the beast & if the rapture would take place would that person go?
---Lawrence on 8/24/10

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a back slider is someone that says that they are a christian and are not living the way the bible teaches and anyone who voted for barrack obama for president.
---gene on 12/31/08

Explain the Baptist belief of once saved always saved in relation to a backslider
---Diane on 12/30/08

I had heard that a backslider was falling back from the highest place you had been...
You are still a christian but perhaps taken up with a few worldly sins again,, They don't have to be horendous.
---Carol on 12/20/08

Back-sliders>>It is broken faith with the living, true, God by serving other gods and by living immoral lives. Apostasy>>An apostate have received light, in some degree, the written word, but he has not received the living word, the Son of God.These are [a] Ungodly men [b] They twist God's grace into licentiousness [the cults are guilty] [c] They reject both divine and human authority. [d] They ridicule the existence of angels. More>>
---catherine on 5/15/08

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More on apostates, backsliders>>>[E] They mock and curse at anything they do not understand. [f] They do their thing like dumb and unreasoning animals. [g] They are arrogant [h] THEY ARE DEVOID OF THE SPIRIT.>>To safeguard against apostasy: We are to anticipate the rapture, my friends.
---catherine on 5/15/08

It is a sliding board that you slide backs down...I jest. Please Read- Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 2:19-22, II Peter 2:21,22.
---Eloy on 5/15/08

Some people, and I am thinking of Catholics, have not backslidden because they never knew God the Father and Jesus Christ in the first place. They never had the Holy Spirit. They need to be Born Again. The deception they live in needs to be exposed. Their children are the hardest nuts to crack. They saw that religion had no power in their parents lives. How to win them???? Big problem.
---frances008 on 5/14/08

The word "backsliding" is in the Bible. Jeremiah 3:8, "And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel commited adultery I had put her away..." Also, Jeremiah 3:14, "Turn, O backsliding children, saith the Lord..." Someone who turned away from the Lord by committing a sin.
---elena on 5/14/08

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The word cane be found in following: Jeremiah ch. 2, 3, 5, 8, 14, 31, 49. Also in Hosea ch. 4, 11, 14.
I think this is a good definition.
2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
---Fred_S. on 8/30/07

The bible says to come boldly to the
throne of God, when ever we've done wrong,
there's forgiveness there, for the backslider
this is the place to start.
---billy on 5/31/06

Rebecca when a person backslides I do not believe that he/she has to start the relationship with Christ all over again. I believe the relationship can be taken up where it was left off. If it had to be started all over again it would mean that past sins had not been forgiven and we know that they have. We are only held responsible for those we did not confess and once we confess those that newer slate is also wiped clean, never to be remembered by Jesus again.
---f.f. on 5/31/06

When a person backslides, it doesn't happen overnight. It takes time, but the sad part is they don't see themselves slipping away from God. First they find fault in the church, and miss a night or two of church, then they just stop going. that doesn't mean that God don't love them, he does. But a backslider has fallen into sin, and out of the hand of God. and to get back to God, the must be convicted then repent. and they have to start their relationship with Christ all over again.
---Rebecca_D on 5/30/06

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This is amazing. I looked "backslide" up and here are the three defs it gave.
1. To revert to sin or wrongdoing, especially in religious practice.

2. v : drop to a lower level, as in one's morals or standards [syn: lapse]

3. to draw back or apostatize in matters of religion (Acts 21:21; 2 Thess. 2:3; 1 Tim. 4:1). This may be either partial (Prov. 14:14) or complete (Heb. 6:4-6;
10:38, 39). The apostasy may be both doctrinal and moral.
---Okebaram on 5/26/06

...The Israelic ,example you gave, under this definition, also falls under "backslidden"; but remember there are various levels to anything. There is complete blackslidding and there is partial blackslidding (dimming of the Spirit's fire). But again a one-time sin or short period of spiritual lowness is not a case of backsliding.
---Okebaram on 5/26/06

Donna, the word "backslide" is an English word, and when people use it they use it in different definitions. My definition like I said is being spiritually low for a significant period of time, not just for 2,3 days or one instance...
---Okebaram on 5/26/06

Donna.....I take a more compassionate approach, and I dislike the word 'backslidder' for its negative images. When we get angry and we confront someone with the truth, one defense mechanism is that people can try to transfer the blame back to you, in your case, with the 'guilt' of calling you a backslidder (attacking your faith). Stand strong, and do not let these words harm you or your faith.
---Grace on 5/26/06

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Hey Donna, I understand. But do not let the words from this person make you question your faith. Just because you became angry does not mean you backslide. After all, Jesus himself became VERY angry with the merchants in the temple, and tore the place up. Just because you are a christian does not mean you have to put up with any bull. You can love someone (in Christ), but you don't have to like their ways!
---Fred_S. on 5/26/06

Okebaram and Fred, don't you think when God called Israel a backslidder, it was because they turned to other gods? Isn't THAT what a backslidder really is? When one completely turns from the Lord, to false gods? Isn't that what grieved God's heart the most about Israel?
---Donna9759 on 5/25/06

Fred, yep I get it. Here's why I'm asking. Because I became angry at someone for a very good reason and wanted them to leave my house immediately, they said I was backslidden because if I was a Christian, I wouldn't have become angry. See my point? Backslidding is MORE than just becoming angry, but how come this person, who is saved, spirit-filled could think becomming angry means your backslidden? I hope he reads these blogs.
---Donna9759 on 5/25/06

Donna, blackslidding doesn't mean not loving the Lord, it means letting oneself be relatively spiritually down for a significant period of time. I've blackslidden in the past myself, and trust me, the devil ceases the chance in a blackslidden child of god's live to attack him/her.
---Okebaram on 5/25/06

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Donna, We aren't saying that , God's word is saying that. None of these scriptures say God is leaving. They refer to mankind leaving and turning back to the ways of the world. You can still love the Lord and sin. But you have to repent and ask forgivness. Did David love the Lord? Did Judas love the Lord? Did the 5 out of 7 churches of Asia love the Lord? etc. God was always there for them. Get it?
---Fred_S. on 5/25/06

If a person TRULY does love the Lord, and sins, does that mean they don't love Jesus anymore and are considered a backslidder? Don't you think this goes deeper for Israel than just sinning? They did something to really make God angry, what was it? God says what is was throughout the Old Testament.
---Donna9759 on 5/24/06

So are you folks saying if I sin one time, that I'm backslidden? Isn't it true that it could be an area of my life where my flesh is still in control and I still love the Lord, but one night I was hurting, so I went out and got tipsy and committed fornication, now I'm considered a backslider? What happened to "I'll never leave you nor forsake you?"
---Donna9759 on 5/24/06

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