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What is Heavenly Deception

Is there anyone on Christianet who used to belong to the Unification Church (Moonies)? Have any of you had dealings with them and their use of 'Heavenly Deception'?

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It is a cult, through and through.
---Mark on 1/10/08

The original question asked if any on Chritianet "used to belong to the Unification Church" and you had one reply. Lots saying yes, HD is a doctrine, but the one ex-member said it was not. Sounds like a lot of people have an opinion, but one has real experience.
---Eric on 8/2/07

The Moon organization established the Washington Times and have poured as much as $1 Billion to keep it going. They have given former President Bush (Sr) big bucks to speak in South America. They helped Jerry Falwell's organization to stay solvent. It seems quite possible that George W. Bush and his inner circle used heavenly deception to deceive Americans into war in Iraq.
---David on 5/22/07

It doesn't help to say what behavior should be. We all know that the question as some have responded is how does the Unification church use the term. Some have shared from personal experience.
---Bill on 5/19/07

In 1976-1977 I wrote my honors thesis for my B.A. in Psychology on The Unification Church and Communist Chinese Mind-Control and Repatriotization Techniques. Heavenly deception as it was used at that time meant simply doing or saying whatever was necessary to promote the welfare and growth of the Unification Church. It was a very loose term, most likely for the very purpose of being easier to manipulate.
---Bill on 5/19/07

There are Christians today who use similar practices. They promote what they are aware are inaccurate accounts of American History because it gives them political traction and advantage. David Barton and Wallbuilders and D. James Kennedy are among them. As a pastor I find it reprehensible that anyone would knowingly lie to promote the kingdom of God which is based on truth. God can accomplish all things without sinful humans corrupting the kingdom along the way.
---Bill on 5/19/07

From what I have been told by an ex-Moonie, they practice 'Heavenly Deception' on a regular basis, especially when collecting money. They sell many and varied items in pubs, on house doorsteps, in the street etc. and always say it is for missionary work. If asked what sort of missionary work they say Christian missions. They also pose as being disabled, sitting in wheelchairs asking for money when they are actually able-bodied. If they are deceiving for Moon they believe it is legitimate.
---m.p.a. on 4/4/07

Lies told in the name of God are still lies.
---Jack on 4/4/07

I was involved with the Unification Church for three years and later wrote a book, "Heavenly Deception" which also became a movie of the same title. While all of this has now been 25+ years ago I have continued to watch the Unification Church over the years. While heavenly deception was never a taught tenet of their faith, it was at very least implied in how they measured results, particularly fund raising.
---Chris on 6/15/06

heavenly deception 1 Kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets,
This is a mistake a lot of people make they don't really know everything about the things of God, you see what ever God does is righteous no matter how it seems to us. Because we are nothing just a creation but God is real the creator he can do whatever he wants. There are no contradiction of terms from where he stands, he can make a lie be true and the truth be a lie.
---exzucuh on 6/7/06

Heavenly deception is like saying "neat garbage" or "chaste fornication."

It's a contradiction of terms.
---Jack on 6/7/06

Heavenly Deception is simply an excuse for lying and that can mean lying big time. Moonies are brain washed into believing that anything they do for the 'rev' Moon, including anything dishonest as long as it brings in the cash, is fine. The them he is their 'saviour' so anything he tells them to do they will do.
---emg on 5/30/06

Contd. He also claims that representatives of Christianity, Confucianism, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism were all there and that Jesus himself gave the closing prayer, followed by three cheers led by Muhammad. According to Moon, Jesus called him as Messiah in 1935 and claims that Jesus was unable to complete his work and needed Moon to finish the job. Is this man MAD or BAD?
---f.f. on 5/28/06

In 1992 Moon placed a full page ad in many American newspapers stating that religious leaders in the spirit world had conferred special heavenly status upon him. Those present were Martin Luther, Karl Marx, Confucius, Jesus and God and they unanimously decided that Moon is the "Saviour, Messiah and King of Kings of all humanity." Contd
---f.f. on 5/28/06

Bebet, Moon has been known to conduct wedding ceremonies with more than 2000 couples being married at the same time The majority of them have never met before the ceremony. He chooses who marries who. They have lost any power to think for themselves or challenge anything that he says. He claims to have come to complete the job that Jesus failed to complete !!!!
---M.P. on 5/28/06

My best friend in high school who used to be a Catholic is married to a moonie higher up. I stopped seeing her upon knowing that she married her younger sister to an African in absencia. She said that marriage in their church can be done even the husband to be is not around. I find that very ODD!
---bebet3754 on 5/28/06

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as a teen in BOONVILLE Ca they tried to convert me. They are one of the most dangeriosu groups in the country.
---MikeM on 5/27/06

MP is right about this Group. The founder/leader, the Rev Moon, is one of the wealthiest arms dealers in the world
---alan_do8869_of_UK on 5/27/06

5. Their main targets are students and other young people. They hang around outside universities. They approach the older generations for the money and the younger ones to get new recruits. Those new recruits then have to keep acquiring money, which is what it is all about. Anyone who has lost a child to this corrupt organization must be living a nightmare every second of every day. There is so much more but I've used 5 postings so had better leave it here.
---M.P. on 5/27/06

4. On another occasion I talked to a female Moonie for two and a half hours in a shop doorway as the world passed us by. I wasn't witnessing as such because they are so brain-washed it is impossible to get through to them, but I felt that the longer I kept her talking the less chance there was of her acquiring any new 'converts' or funds for this corrupt organization.
---M.P. on 5/27/06

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3. Once I was so upset when I heard a young man say this, and saw what his magazine was, that I stayed close by and every time he asked someone to support 'missionary work' I stepped forward and said "You do realise that he is a Moonie don't you?" Everyone was horrified and one couple, who had already put money in the box, demanded to have it returned to them. I think he would have happily slit my throat if he'd had the chance.
---M.P. on 5/27/06

2. They say they were told that this is not dishonest because they are doing it for God. I have had Moonies at my door trying to sell me things, flowers, perfumed candles etc. and when asked if they are Moonies deny it but on another occasion when asked if they go to any kind of church they say Yes the Unification Church. They enter pubs and clubs selling flowers and other items 'for charity'. They stand on street corners selling magazines for 'Christian Missionary work'.
---M.P. on 5/27/06

Yes I have spoken with Moonies on several occasions and yes they do use Heavenly Deception. They deny that it exists and say that only those against their 'church' talk about Heavenly Deception and that it is not something they use or understand. Former Moonies will tell you otherwise. Many have stories to tell of having to sit in wheelchairs begging and then, at the end of the day, folding up the chair and taking the money back to those in charge.
---M.P. on 5/27/06

That bunch is earthly deception.
---shira on 5/27/06

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